<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] da701bc547ec - Update translations from Pootle
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<Yoke>
I keep forgtting how fast Haiku boots, I don't even see the Rocket before the monitor turns on (unless I restart)
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<Begasus>
no time to get coffee? :)
<Yoke>
more Hot-chocolate in my case but yeah XD
<Yoke>
honestly I'm dreading the day my new psu turns up and I have to go back to windows, it's gonna feel sooooooo slowwwww
<Begasus[m]>
nice, breeze-icons almost done at buildmaster for 32bit :)
<Yoke>
nice to see 32 bit getting some love, especialy when mainline windows is leaving 32bit behind (for the most part)
<Begasus>
32bit has been my main target for a long time, until this laptop came along :)
<Begasus>
but still run it to check up on things
<Begasus>
biab
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<Begasus>
KIO coming up now ...
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* OscarL
only uses 32 bits so Begasus doesn't gets mad for the lack of testing when submitting PRs.
<OscarL>
slowest (somewhat still usable, except for fancy web stuff) system I have, Atom N450 2 GB, is 64 bits capable.
<Yoke>
an ATOM?! at least they have some use ouside of puppy Linux now
<Begasus>
'lo OscarL!
<OscarL>
I don't bother anymore with the older ones (P4, Sempron 3000+, both 64 bit capable too), or the 32 bits only Celeron LGA775, Athlon Thunderbird 900 MHz, or Duron "1300+".
<OscarL>
Hey there Begasus :-)
<Begasus>
well, for some it's really required to check them on 32bit
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<OscarL>
python 3.13 recipe, might take a bit longer to compile than the rest (took almost an hour here on bare metal)
<Begasus>
np here, in the process of building the KDE frameworks and cleaning unneeded things in there
<Begasus>
doggies* :)
<fancy2209[m]>
<Yoke> "honestly I'm dreading the day my..." <- Huh? Why would you go back to windows just because of a new PSU?
<Yoke>
the psu in my main rig blew up after moving house
<OscarL>
Yoke: Haiku runs well on that Atom N450, but it lacks the equivalent to Linux's acpi_cpufreq driver, so it runs too hot for my taste (same thing on this Phenom II, one of the reasons I mosly use VMs)
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<Yoke>
OscarL: always a great day when the keyboard gets uncomfortably hot to type on
<OscarL>
extra fun in summer time (when we get > 40 C down here).
<Yoke>
oh lord, nevermind the computer, I'd be hitting shutdown temps
<Yoke>
I will never understand how people can work in that heat, because I'm guessing it's super humid in summer there too?
<OscarL>
pretty dry where I live, fortunately (kinda too dry even)
<Begasus>
k, round 4
<OscarL>
last summer was almost unbearable (hot from early Oct to ends of March). This year, still having cool night at least, hope trend continues :-)
* OscarL
will look into importing some dash patches from Debian.
<Begasus>
ah, right, waited on that PR for that to be sure
* coolcoder613
waves
* Begasus
waves back at coolcoder613
<OscarL>
\o/
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<OscarL>
mmm, when using VirtualBox... Tracker crashes a lot for me. Now that I'm using VMware... itis Deskbar the one that off-itself on the regular :-D
<Begasus[m]>
heh
<Begasus[m]>
spooky :P
<B2IA>
(draKon) hello OscarL
<OscarL>
hello!
<B2IA>
(draKon) (^^)
<B2IA>
(draKon) :(-)
<B2IA>
(draKon) hi Begasus
<Begasus>
Hi drakon
<B2IA>
(draKon) have ye setup webserver yet Begasus and oscarL
<B2IA>
(draKon) ?
<B2IA>
(draKon) i got poorman working, but i dont like the name
<Begasus>
ye?
<B2IA>
(draKon) kinda feel i need more configurable software
<OscarL>
only tested poorman once (when trying to patch it for zeroconf support).
<B2IA>
(draKon) my router didnt let me connect to the local host though i set up port forwarding
<B2IA>
(draKon) or tried too
<Begasus>
there is apache
<B2IA>
(draKon) ye singular of plural you for me, its what i learnt in english
<OscarL>
I don't lnow much about network stuff (even less than about other stuff, go figure)
<B2IA>
(draKon) oh yeh, i gotta install that one,, thanks for reminding me, i installed lighttp and its bit messy tutorial
<Begasus>
guess it's kinda a youth language :)
<B2IA>
(draKon) i wanted to do something different and exhaust other options catered to haiku before apache
<B2IA>
(draKon) yeh, it was bit to like quick quick, but not very clear
<OscarL>
RobinHood used to be a better PoorMan..., on BeOS days at least.
<Begasus>
PoorMan is a very very basic one
<B2IA>
(draKon) im a teacher, so when i lay out instructions, i like seeing things a particular waay
<B2IA>
(draKon) some tutorials are like a dogs breakfast
<Begasus>
no bad word on doggies :)
<B2IA>
(draKon) haha :)
<B2IA>
(draKon) i actually felt the tutorial for lighttp was a good try
<B2IA>
(draKon) compared to others ive seen
<OscarL>
seems RobinHood is 32 bits only :-(
<Begasus>
haven't fiddled with it much
<Begasus>
reminds me I need to checkup on gerbera one of these days again ...
<B2IA>
(draKon) BSD one i looked at the other day, like lets just say, i really feel there i something out there that DOES NOT want something to happen big with IT across the earths
<Begasus>
heh
<B2IA>
(draKon) some software is simpliticty elegaance
<B2IA>
(draKon) elegance*
<OscarL>
mmm, patched dash fails to work on "jam -q -j4 Terminal" (good thing I tried :-P)
<Begasus>
how is dash related to jam OscarL?
<OscarL>
if dash is installed, Haiku's ./configure will pick it up, and use it instead of bash.
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<OscarL>
waddlesplash mentioned some potential big speedup improvements with that setup.
<Begasus>
ah, never heard of it, nice
<OscarL>
right, I wasn't aware of it either.
<Begasus>
might speed up some builds with haikuporter too?
<OscarL>
didn't speed up things for me though... at least when just "jamming" a particular target.
<Begasus>
lol
<OscarL>
might speed up mimedb/locale catalogs stuff though... haven't used it to create a full haiku.hpkg yet.
<OscarL>
Begasus: re: haikuporter... no idea how tied HP is to bash peculiarities.
<OscarL>
"posix_spawnp: No such file or directory" is the error I get now, "posix_spawnp" not mentioned on the patches I've applied. Sigh.
<Begasus[m]>
back to Debian ... :)
<OscarL>
I'm applying Debian patches so... back to un-debian for me :-)
<OscarL>
(no mention of posix_spawnp on dash sources either, mmm)
<fancy2209[m]>
talking about the lib prefix, did it get removed from cairo?
<fancy2209[m]>
s/cairo/pango/
<fancy2209[m]>
neveermind
<fancy2209[m]>
I got confused
<Begasus>
heh
<fancy2209[m]>
it just wanted to use cairo1.18 instead of cairo
<Begasus>
bugger sidetracked again now ...
<OscarL>
(in general... naming is hard, I think that's why HaikuPorts decided to "outsource" that task, and follow Gentoo's naming for the most parts)
<Begasus>
it's like that for pango, but also for lua/boost ...
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* OscarL
tries to build robinhood on 64 bits.
<Begasus>
go for it!
<OscarL>
epic fail: "Error: *** Failed to find a match for "libhttp_devel": Name not found" :-D
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* OscarL
tries to compile libhttp on 64 bits.
<Begasus>
now fix it! :)
<OscarL>
ARCHITECTURES="?all x86_gcc2" / SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURES="x86" <<< a bit odd :-)
<Begasus>
I didn't touch it! (I think) :D
<OscarL>
libhttp build just fine, apparently.... let's try again with robinhood.
<Begasus>
isn't that in the depot?
<Begasus>
ah no, that's httpd
<OscarL>
do we care about RobinHood being GCC2? (I might just move it to newer GCC)
<Begasus>
don't think so
<OscarL>
welp, it starts at least :-)
<cratuki>
Is BeShare still the place people go to share files? If so, which server? Or do people use something else now?
<OscarL>
Seems to work! (running server from VM, can access it from Host)
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<OscarL>
not much activity on BeShare on the last years, cratuki.
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<OscarL>
sharing files via beshare was more useful "back then" that it is now, I think.
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<Begasus>
yeah! lot's of goodies back then :D
<OscarL>
RobinHood needs some love, but seems usable enough!
<Begasus>
+1
<OscarL>
Making it available on 64 bits might spark interest in fixing it further.
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<Begasus>
might even bring some enhancements :)
<Halian>
Morning
<Halian>
:o enhancements?
<OscarL>
Mmm. it has a Desktop applet... might need to leave it as gcc2 on 32 bits.
<OscarL>
morning Halian.
<Begasus>
Hi Halian
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<Begasus>
that's one of those case 32bit check is required OscarL :P
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<OscarL>
right. Recipe doesn't even uses srcGitRev :-) (and was using an older commit from 2015)
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<OscarL>
need to download docs too
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<Begasus>
eeps, desperate TLC
<OscarL>
"libhttp-0.9.mod" weird versioning,
<OscarL>
will switch to "~git"
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<OscarL>
should I set REVISION=1 in that case?
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<OscarL>
I think that for libHTTP I'll just add a link to the documentation on the package description (it even says: "It is a legacy library and shouldn't be used in new code anymore.")
<OscarL>
but will try to add the docs for RobinHood.
<Begasus>
-- Could NOT find Poppler (missing: Qt6) (found suitable version "22.01.0", minimum required is "0.12.1")
<Begasus>
something is off here :P
<Begasus>
version doesn't change OscarL, so I think REVISION should be +1
<OscarL>
pkgman said "upgrade package libhttp-0.9.mod-1 to 0.9~git-2 from local file" with REVISION=2 at least.
<OscarL>
(I was meaning to try with "1" first, but forgot to save the recipe :-D)
<fancy2209[m]>
oh wait
<fancy2209[m]>
could radeon_hd failing early be because I am using EFI?
<fancy2209[m]>
maybe I should install GRUB so I can have EFI and BIOS
<Begasus>
-- Found Poppler_Core: /packages/poppler24-24.11.0-1/.self/develop/lib/libpoppler.so (found version "24.11.0")
<Begasus>
k, good now
<Begasus>
if the name changes add a CONFLICTS for that OscarL?
<Begasus>
need to re-run the tests for this one ...
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<Begasus>
let's see, previous test was: # 93% tests passed, 2 tests failed out of 28
<OscarL>
"newest" RobinHood commits have libhttp included on the tree, so we might just nuke libhttp in the end.
<Begasus>
same
<Begasus>
might have saved you some digging OscarL :P
<OscarL>
mmm, it doesnt' actually includes it, so I guess I'll need to use SOURCE_URI_2 :-/
<OscarL>
"Subproject commit 4a94696b445d88bc48c070ca3e9276e2e942059a" is that how submodules work?
<Begasus>
I'm not following :)
<Begasus>
it's included upstream but not in the release?
<OscarL>
right.
<OscarL>
"included" as a submodule/subproject/whatever...
<OscarL>
appears as an empty dir on the tarball.
<OscarL>
next time... I'll ask kallisti5
<OscarL>
to also update the .recipes when doing such changes :-P
<Begasus>
heh
<Begasus>
but yes SOURCE_URI_2 should do it, just grab the header with #no-archive(*)?
<Begasus>
is it stored in an external repo?
<OscarL>
can get a tarball, just as the libhttp recipe does.
<OscarL>
I just wasn't expecting to have to mess with it after it just worked the first time :-)
<Begasus>
it's a learning process? ;)
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<OscarL>
now doesn't builds for some reason. Sigh.
<OscarL>
can't find the libHTTP.a it seems.
<OscarL>
make file for it only builds libHTTP.so... /me thinks *somebody* didn't tests things enough, or forgot to commit some changes :-)
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<B2IA>
(draKon) eyo
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<OscarL>
/bin/sed to the rescue. (stupid makefile engine build in debug mode if DEBUGGER := FALSE :-/)
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<Begasus[m]>
heading out for a bit, bbl
<OscarL>
trying to stop hrdaemon via the deskbar applet results in a segmen violation.... and Debugger seems to hang :-(
<OscarL>
later Begasus[m]!
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<OscarL>
waddlesplash: right, misread it as .pkg :-D
<OscarL>
cratuki: if you want build one your self (I never did on BeOS, mind you)... the there are a .bep and a .patch file there for Python 2.6.6 that may provide enough info.
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 2c84bc3c0eab - kernel/vm: Shrink commitments in discard_area_range if possible.
* OscarL
had an overdose of Python builds in the last 24 hours :-)
<Begasus>
should still have a python2.7 around somewhere in the backups ... somewhere (or did I mention that already)? :D
<Begasus>
for Haiku*
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<OscarL>
let's test on 32 bits before opening PR, to avoid some yelling :-P
<Begasus>
you know it! :P
<cratuki>
OscarL: it works - thanks! `import AppKit`
<OscarL>
glad it worked for you!, if you go to the forum... bethon author is @donn, in case you want to give him some praise :-)
<OscarL>
I did a half-assed attempt at updading bethon for Python3... but quickly realized I lack the necessary skills to understand the magic it uses (between C++ and Python's innards)
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<OscarL>
RobinHood seems fine on 32 bits too.
<Begasus[m]>
nice!
<OscarL>
(darn typo on the commit message. Fixed)
<Begasus>
bugger, missed it :P
<augiedoggie>
recipe has REVISION set to 2
<OscarL>
Begasus made me do it!
<OscarL>
:-P
<Begasus>
for robinhood?
<OscarL>
well, not for that one.
<OscarL>
but isn't the same case?
<OscarL>
(no problems setting back to 1, that's why I asked first)
<Begasus[m]>
tsss
<OscarL>
*same case as in... version doesn't change, only recipe name
<Begasus[m]>
that was for libhttp :P
<augiedoggie>
it's going to cause a problem for people upgrading though, 1.2~git comes before 1.2
<OscarL>
shall I take the lazy route and just revert the rename, leaving REVISION as 2 then?
<augiedoggie>
er, 1.2~git is a lower version than 1.2
<augiedoggie>
or just call it 1.3~git
<OscarL>
that too.
<OscarL>
thanks.
<Begasus[m]>
+1
<Begasus[m]>
bugger, you got me sidetracked again ...
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<OscarL>
if you're having so much issues with the FAT driver... why not?
<scantysnax>
i'm a little worried about something breaking i guess, no offense to any of the devs.
<Begasus[m]>
look at OscarL, he only gets crashes for Deskbar now :D
<scantysnax>
but starting to think about doing it.
<OscarL>
I only remanin in beta5 just to minimize differences with buildmasters, and even so, I'm tempted to just switch to nightlies, given all the crashes I have now :-D
<scantysnax>
haha
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<scantysnax>
OscarL: things rarely crash here
<Begasus>
20 to go :)
<scantysnax>
laptop?
<OscarL>
stopped complaing about media_addon_server crashes, due to a mix of blacklisting HDA on some installs, and switching to a different emulated device in others :-)
<scantysnax>
oh wow.
<Begasus>
so far the only downside that bugs me, sound is no good :(
<OscarL>
my installs are basically deaf and mute anyway :-)
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi there.
<Begasus>
hi andreasdr[m]
<OscarL>
hey there andreasdr[m]! nice to see you around again :-)
<OscarL>
Begasus: you use VMWare?
<Begasus>
yep
<OscarL>
open the .vmx... and change: 'sound.virtualDev = "hdaudio"' to 'sound.virtualDev = "es1371"' and see if that helps?
<OscarL>
scantysnax: I remember stealing some pci.cpp file from Haiku, and making PCI enumeration work for poke in DOS/Win95 :-D
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi OscarL. Begasus.
<Begasus[m]>
you're still using that? hasn't seen any TLC in a while andreasdr
<andreasdr[m]>
What is TLC?
<Begasus[m]>
0_°
<OscarL>
(repeating in case you missed it on the crash:) hey there andreasdr[m]! nice to see you around again :-)
<Begasus[m]>
Tender Love and Care :)
<Begasus[m]>
on Windows I use Nheko, on Haiku NeoChat
<Begasus[m]>
expect new version for NeoChat shortly :)
<scantysnax>
OscarL: I'm trying to bit-bang a PCI parallel port. if i knew where it was in memory, i would try it.
<OscarL>
aren't parallel ports on ISA bus? or do you have an add in card?
<OscarL>
duh... you already said PCI, sorry.
<scantysnax>
i have a card, recall, PCI
<scantysnax>
;-)
<OscarL>
I would take a look at those PCI: lines on the syslog.
<OscarL>
use listdev to find out bus/device/function, and then compare with syslog.
<andreasdr[m]>
Did somebody ever tried to port valgrind?
<andreasdr[m]>
Thats the most nice debugging tool ever. For finding memory leaks and illegal memory accesses and the like.
<OscarL>
I remember using my poke replacement to mess with the hardware cursor on BeOS. fliped a bit... cursor tuned green :-D
<andreasdr[m]>
Still hoping for a Eclipse port. Tried this on my own. But did fail.
<OscarL>
never had hardware fast enough to start Eclipse before I fell asleep :-)
<scantysnax>
i'll check next time i reboot.
<scantysnax>
how do i enable syslog?
<OscarL>
scantysnax: just open /var/log/syslog now, it is always enabled.
<andreasdr[m]>
OscarL: :(
<scantysnax>
oh
<OscarL>
if you don't find the PCI lines... see if you have and older file under /var/log
<OscarL>
(when syslog gets to 512 KB, it creates an .old one)
<Begasus[m]>
tried to andreasdr (valgrind) failed misarably :)
<scantysnax>
ok reading now.
<scantysnax>
let's see
<andreasdr[m]>
Begasus: Damn
<andreasdr[m]>
Maybe its much too complicated.
<Begasus[m]>
not sure anymore, has been a long time ago
<andreasdr[m]>
Ok.
<andreasdr[m]>
I guess its too complicated for me. Not 100% sure
<Begasus[m]>
doesn't hurt to try :D
<andreasdr[m]>
Did you ever tried Eclipse IDE?
<andreasdr[m]>
Sure.
<x512[m]>
> Still hoping for a Eclipse port.
<Begasus[m]>
nope
<x512[m]>
Anybody tried to build it with GTK backend?
<andreasdr[m]>
That would be love <3
<andreasdr[m]>
:DDD
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<andreasdr[m]>
I had a Haiku installation yesterday. But also had a memory use bug on MinitScript. Needed Valgrind and installed Mint linux then. I ll come back later to a Haiku installation.
<x512[m]>
NetBeans works because it is based on Swing and don't use OS-specific native code.
<andreasdr[m]>
I also did found the memory related bug easily with Valgrind. Still number 1 tool for that.
<fancy2209[m]>
I know there's a .NET port but is there an mono port for Haiku?
<fancy2209[m]>
s/an/a/
<scantysnax>
OscarL, you wrote both poke, and peek?
<OscarL>
I wrote the (simple) /dev/misc/poke driver many moons ago... and had a /bin/poke replacement more or less ready by the ends of 2005, but I guess it got lost in the mail of AxelD, or it wasn't good enough for him :-)
<scantysnax>
oh i see.
<scantysnax>
i need bidirectional IO, so looks like driver time.
<OscarL>
couple years ago I digged it up, did some minor changes to make it work on Haiku, and uploaded it to github.
<OscarL>
scantysnax: maybe you can use what /dev/misc/poke already provides.
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<andreasdr[m]>
Rum!
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<OscarL>
Have a half-assed syntax highlighter for Ocaml. Pretty basic, but does comments. strings, keywords, Capitalized identifiers. Not *that* bad of a first attempt.
<OscarL>
Now have to wait for Anarchos to show up, so he can test it :-)
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* coolcoder613
waves
<erysdren>
hiya
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