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[haiku/haiku] cb3ddd18bb2a - HaikuDepot: Faster Open State Change
<Yoke>
Haiku seems to work "OK" without some form of compatablity layer just by how efficient it is (by way of not really doing anyhting flashy)
<Begasus>
how is having iceweasel a huge step forward?
<Begasus>
granted, it's good to have it, but other then that, it won't be my major browser for sure
<Yoke>
extentions, ad-block, vpn, ect
<Begasus>
ad-block, already around
<Begasus>
vpn?
<Yoke>
the ad-block in Falkon doesn't seem to work for YouTube
<Begasus>
build Angelfish that has a rust module for it?
<Begasus>
both comparible
<Begasus>
youtube -> qmplay2?
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<Begasus>
24 years ago it was a niche to have it around, we've past that stage a long time ago imho
<Begasus>
one advantage I see is that it puts Haiku on the map even more
<Begasus>
other then that, it's just another browser to me :P
<Yoke>
in essesnce yeah it's just another browser
<Yoke>
but my point is it's a mainstream browser that has a good back log of proven extentions that will work with it
<Begasus>
those still have to be proven yet :)
<Begasus>
and as I said, good to have it, and I'll test it also (even further) when I get to it
<Yoke>
Ublock works, I can confirm that at least (first thing i installed because damn you can't use the internet without an adblock at this point)
<Begasus>
+1 on that then :)
<Yoke>
still flip-floping between Falkon and IceWeasel just for discord (because it doesn't seem to like it)
<Yoke>
(though honestly that might just be me only having 4gb of ram)
<Begasus>
don't use discord, so can't comment on that
<Yoke>
it's not everyone's bread and butter
<Begasus>
heh
<Yoke>
talking about talking, IRC is pretty neat (plus it's more reliable with my crappy connection)
<Begasus>
that and matrix are my main communication channels
<Begasus>
replaced BeShare at one point :)
<Begasus>
well, BeShare is still around, but not widely used as it did back then
<Yoke>
so is BeShare like a combo of IRC and a filesharing client? just looking it up that's what i'm getting
<Begasus>
in short terms yes, it's bridged to IRC now too
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<Yoke>
neat
<Yoke>
(not saying that sarcasticly, I do genuinely mean it's neat)
<Begasus>
:) probably still some nice BeOS related things around there
<coolcoder613>
I think so, yes
<coolcoder613>
What I usually do with BeOS stuff, is I look for them on BeBits on archive.org, and then I get the actual files from pulkomandy.tk/~beosarchive/
<Begasus>
should be a fair amount from PulkoMandy's archive around
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<Begasus>
8 to go, then need to check on nuking out kglobalaccel :)
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<Yoke>
How did I not know the BBC did a section on BeOS
<Begasus>
think I need a reboot once this framework is done ... system is slowing down
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<janking>
is idle: $R
<gordonjcp>
Yoke: did they?
<gordonjcp>
Yoke: is it on iPlayer?
<Yoke>
I'm not sure, there's a clip of it on Internet archive
<gordonjcp>
ah, found it, yeah
<gordonjcp>
there's also an article in Sound on Sound that I just turned up, which I remember reading in the dead tree version
<Yoke>
but clock and overlay image are still stuck
<Begasus>
make sure nothing overlaps it
<Yoke>
yeah... that's the problem
<Begasus>
clock should work, have checked that not that long ago
<Begasus>
+1
<Yoke>
there's no hand in the bottom right of the clock
<Begasus>
it does here
<Yoke>
let me try restaring and see if that fixes it brb
<Yoke>
*restarting
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<Yoke>
Should've known it wasn't gonna be that easy
<MonniTheCat>
desklink command should be able to delete Deskbar replicants
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<Yoke>
would you care to explain how to use that? cause I have no idea what I'm doing tbh
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<MonniTheCat>
"desklink --list" shows all replicants
<MonniTheCat>
"desklink --remove=name" removes replicant with name "name"...
<Yoke>
that just killed my sound XD
<Yoke>
damn it
<Begasus>
whoops
<Yoke>
oopsies
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<Yoke>
that just seems to be something to add or remove things form the deskbar, not exactly what i mean, i need to close the desktop replecants
<MonniTheCat>
Tracker has configuration file with all the replicants... Deleting it while Tracker isn't running will make them not reappear...
<Yoke>
is there a chance that could bugger something esle up?
<MonniTheCat>
Yoke: That specific file only handles desktop replicants
<Yoke>
ok so where am I looking to find that file?
<MonniTheCat>
in /boot/home/config/settings/Tracker/tracker_shelf
<MonniTheCat>
You can only delete or move that file while Tracker isn't running...
<Yoke>
ok, that's tricky then
<MonniTheCat>
kill it with ProcessController while Terminal is still running
<Yoke>
i kiled it but it just restarted itself
<Yoke>
hey it worked
<Yoke>
i just sent it to the bin, it then replaced it with a new one then i killed tracker and now the replicants are gone
<Yoke>
I think i was just getting confused
<MonniTheCat>
Tracker saves that file when it quits naturally... killing should skip the saving part...
<Yoke>
when I sent the old one to the trash it must've replaced it with a new clean one
<Yoke>
just gonna do a quick restart to confirm
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<Yoke>
Worked like a treat
<Yoke>
thank you for the help on that
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<Begasus>
last one! grabbing krunner6-6.9.0~rc1-1-x86_64.hpkg and moving it to /Share/haikuports/packages/krunner6-6.9.0~rc1-1-x86_64.hpkg
<Begasus>
:)
<gingi>
@Begasus: thanks
<gingi>
bye
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<Yoke>
a tad off topic but does it bug anyone else when USB ports are on the top of a pc? especaily when the case is designed to be put on top of a desk?
<Begasus>
laptops only here :)
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<Yoke>
fair 'nuff
<Begasus>
still have a tower next to me (from the golden era) :) USB ports on the back there, handy :P
<Begasus>
ps NOT (standing on the floor) :)
<Yoke>
ahh, it's always great when you have to cram yourself over your pc to get to the usb ports XD
<Begasus>
or go down on your knees to search without a clue where the port is and try to put the cable in on blind sight :P
<Begasus>
ow, and hope the cable is long enough :P
<Yoke>
and get the rotation wrong 5 times before it actually goes in
<Begasus>
right! lol
<Yoke>
"and hope the cable is long enough" that has happened to me more times than i can count
<Yoke>
or windows throws the "This USB storage device is broken, Allow windows to fix it"
<Yoke>
when It's perfectly fine
<Begasus>
:)
<Begasus>
afk for a bit
<Yoke>
aight
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<nicoco>
Hey all! I have an old laptop with an up-to-date debian installed on it and would love to try haiku. Does the Haiku installer let you resize partitions or should I free some space using a live linux distro first?
<zard>
Hmm, it's been a while since I've used the installer, but I think not?
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<nicoco>
Thanks for the reply zard, I guess I'll just try and see ;)
<Yoke>
what is compatablity with laptops on haiku like at this point? I'm guessing it's still a case of most trackpads don't work?
<FreeFull>
I'm lucky, every laptop I've tried with Haiku had a working trackpad
<Yoke>
screw it, I uss there's no harm in trying it on my laptop
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<Yoke>
it works
<Yoke>
it even sees the damn wireless card
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<zard>
Oh nice! :D
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<Yoke>
yessssssssss
<Yoke>
Don't know if it's the smartest idea to install this alongside Ubuntu but I might just get a 60gb M.Sata and install it on that
<Yoke>
EVEN BRIGHTNESS WORKS
<Begasus>
why would that be an issue?
<Yoke>
I'm not worried about Haiku doing anything, it's more Ubuntu being kinda dumb sometimes
<Begasus>
Ubuntu shouldn't interfere with Haiku :)
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<Yoke>
I might just be unlucky with dualbooting then
<zard>
Yeah, I haven't experienced any trouble with dualbooting. I wonder, what happened?
<Begasus>
just don't go post cp'n between the two I guess
<Yoke>
I mean in the past i've had windows and ubuntu "fight" with eachother
<zard>
Ah yes, good ol' Windows
<Begasus>
lol first crash with iceweasel :P
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<zard>
Windows sometimes wants to replace Linux's bootloader with its own, and now, Linux won't boot!
<Yoke>
the only compputer I have that runs windows is my main rig/gaming pc
<Yoke>
dingdingdingding
<zard>
But afaik, it's almost always Window's fault for not playing nice, not Ubuntu's
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<Yoke>
true
<Yoke>
now to repartition the SSD on the laptop and hope i don't break anything
<Yoke>
I hate doing this
<Begasus>
good luck ;)
<Yoke>
man how the fuck does this work in ubuntu
<Yoke>
I could've sworn i had Gparted on this
<zard>
GParted sounds right...
<Yoke>
just gonna have to redownload it I guess
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<Yoke>
i cannot remember how to do this
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<Yoke>
i'm gonna leave it here for now, if I keep pushing I'm gonna break something, I know it
<zard>
Slow but steady. Good idea :)
<Begasus[m]>
there is a iso download for gparted
<Begasus[m]>
you can use that outside of Ubuntu
<Yoke>
The hell was I thinking of then?
<Begasus[m]>
I don't know :)
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<zard>
Ah, you were trying to install GParted, not trying to figure out how to make it do the right thing?
<Begasus>
stupid keymap bug for GTK :/
<Yoke>
as soon as i start to download the iso Ubuntu has to update CANNONICAL WHY
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<san2ban>
Hi Begasus...an issues with haikudepot? Not synchronizing the repos...my internetconnection is good...
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<Begasus[m]>
hi san2ban no idea there, installed iceweasel just fine earlier
<Begasus[m]>
got a build for ScummVM running atm, so can't check on this install
<Begasus[m]>
but only a few minutes ago I installed uploadit without problems
<Begasus[m]>
san2ban did you try with pkgman?
<Begasus[m]>
Yoke dist-upgrade? ;)
<Yoke>
honestly I might just go into town later this week and grab a cheapo SSD, I can't wrap my head around this at the moment
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<gordonjcp>
aw shitballs, I deleted my haiku vm on this machine
<gordonjcp>
also san2ban left
<Yoke>
how do you accidentaly delete a VM?
<Begasus>
shift-delete?
<Yoke>
I wonder what the largest partition size BeFS can handle is, it would be funny to throw like 10TB at it and see if it freaks out
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<MonniTheCat>
<Yoke> "I wonder what the largest..." <- As BFS is 64-bit filesystem, its should be able to handle quite large partitions, but there is separate limit for maximum size of a single file...
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<gordonjcp>
Yoke: blowing away several GB of no-longer-used VMs
<JulesEnriquez[m]>
Been talking to someone who's planning to port over some accessibility tools to Haiku.
<JulesEnriquez[m]>
In theory, how could such tools work in Haiku?
<JulesEnriquez[m]>
Presumably, they'd need to be able to know the state of other apps and be able to know the structure of GUI apps.
<JulesEnriquez[m]>
Presumably, they'd need to be able to know the state of other apps and be able to know the structure of GUI apps (at least native ones).
<zard>
You can use `hey` to look iterate through all of the items that make up a GUI
<JulesEnriquez[m]>
I'll forward these to my friend, thanks.
<JulesEnriquez[m]>
They have also expressed interest in developing an accessibility API for Haiku, eventually.
<zard>
Hmm, not very familiar with accessibility APIs
<zard>
I mean, I do know about them at a very high level
<zard>
But not what all would be involved to implement it
<zard>
Perhaps one of the challenges is would the app have to provide accessability information (probably), and how would it provide it
<zard>
It could be tricky... no idea, though
<zard>
Anyway, good luck to your friend! :)
<JulesEnriquez[m]>
It would prolly need some form of GUI object introspection.
<zard>
We already have that to an extent. It is possible to use `hey` to enumerate GUI elements and also possible to use `hey` to press a specific button
<JulesEnriquez[m]>
App developers might need to add labels to GUI elements, but I don't know enough about Haiku appdev to say much more.
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<Begasus>
PulkoMandy, looking into bumping libjxl to the latest version, will file a PR for it later, it shouldn't be a problem installing it side to side with current version (that is in use by haikuwebkit, just noticed it)
<Begasus>
adding a conflict for the devel package, need to add one for the tools also*
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<Begasus>
syslog so far pretty calm on iceweasel
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<Begasus[m]>
could take a while for scummvm to be available :)
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<scantysnax>
good afternoon.
<scantysnax>
iceweasel looks good but mouse leaves square trails.
<scantysnax>
when moving over content.
<piusbird>
are there any modernish sample projects that i could just clone and go. Also does the socket stack have support for berkly sockets
<piusbird>
e.g AF_UNIX
<scantysnax>
anybody having this problem?
<Begasus[m]>
Hi scantysnax yeah, see that too
<scantysnax>
Begasus[m]: I otherwise find it very fast.
<scantysnax>
and accurate.
<piusbird>
iceweasel is crashing on github
<piusbird>
otherwise i'm finding it works well
<scantysnax>
it reminds me of a problem i have with the cursor and a BDirectWindow, but i don't believe the two could be related.
<scantysnax>
let's see if Pandora works.
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<scantysnax>
wow.
<scantysnax>
it eats a whole CPU.
<fancy2209[m]>
Hello, I booted the live iso and my backlight and trackpad broken under Haiku, is there something I can do or do I need to learn driver development?
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<Anarchos>
hello
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<bjorkintosh>
fancy2209[m]: it won't hurt to learn :-)
<bjorkintosh>
fancy2209[m]: does it work under other OSes?
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