<gordonjcp>
adrian_: bonus prize if that sort of shit ends up with your primary domain controller being the self-styled admin's laptop, in his house, on dialup
<gordonjcp>
true story
<MonniTheCat>
There's so many dumb ways to crash a network...
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<MonniTheCat>
Before the days of twisted-pair cabling and RJ45 connectors, easiest way to crash a network was to connect all computers in straight line with no active hardware to control traffic... Each PC would try to talk at same time and cause infinite collision-retry loop...
<adrian_>
yup
<phschafft>
just remove one of the terminators.
<phschafft>
or add another one. ;)
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<AlienSoldier>
one thing where mediaplayer bub could be improved is if the sub file could be added to the video directory when the video is already loaded. Right now mediaplayer need to be closed and re-opened for it to be seen.
<AlienSoldier>
*sub
<AlienSoldier>
too late for tonight, "the lion of flanders" (1984) will the the movie for tomorrow.
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<Begasus>
morning peeps
<andreasdr[m]>
Good morning Begasus
<Begasus>
g'morning andreasdr[m]
<Begasus>
up early :)
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<andreasdr[m]>
Yes.
<andreasdr[m]>
Arrr. Whats up????
* coolcoder613
waves
<coolcoder613>
My new GPU arrived today
<Begasus>
hi coolcoder613, saw the message earlier
<Begasus>
andreasdr[m], morning chores while marble building in the background
<MonniTheCat>
Monday morning chores consist of drinking morning coffee and going back to bed... Nobody else is doing anything useful, so why should we...
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<Begasus>
dogs, cleaning the house ...
<MonniTheCat>
I only have one dog... No point in cleaning the house when the cats mess up everything within few seconds of starting the cleaning...
<Begasus>
train them? ;)
<MonniTheCat>
Begasus: Training a cat only works when you have one cat... When you have more, they just do zoomies...
<BrunoSpr>
Good morning
<Begasus>
g'morning BrunoSpr
<Begasus>
lol MonniTheCat can relate to that
<MonniTheCat>
Begasus: I've actually managed to teach my cats a lot of things... Like how to tell when it's time to eat... The older cat goes bat shit when it's time for coffee...
<andreasdr[m]>
Cool new GPU.
<andreasdr[m]>
Have fun coolcoder613
<Begasus>
in almost 30 years we finaly managed to get one to pass obediance MonniTheCat
<MonniTheCat>
Begasus: It's like winning lottery... lol...
<Begasus>
that? not even in a lifetime :P
<Begasus>
qrc:/qt/qml/org/kde/marble/maps/MainScreen.qml:13:1: module "org.kde.marble" is not installed
<Begasus>
stupid thing is in it's place! :P
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<Begasus>
wrong path ... :)
<phschafft>
it seems I have a project for christmas.
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<phschafft>
writing and building a minimalist terminal with an ATTiny2313 (one of the chips I have in stock in however many you like). it seems to have exactly the hardware on board that I need. like... exactly the hardware.
<Begasus[m]>
go for it phschafft! be sure to have some coffee and cookies at hand :D
* phschafft
nods.
<phschafft>
but for the coffee. christmas is for hot chocolate!
<phschafft>
the USI in the chip seems like it can be configured for PS/2 mode just because it is so generic.
<MonniTheCat>
<Begasus> "that? not even in a lifetime :P" <- Some things happen at most once in a lifetime, but for most people never ;) If something happens more than once in a lifetime, then it's truly an exception to the exception...
<phschafft>
(the USI is basically the lowest cost hardware they add if you want to do any kind of serial communication that is not yet bit banging but also not specific hardware for the given interface.)
<phschafft>
(kind of a software defined serial port if you will. stresses the controler much more than a real one, but way less than bit banging)
<Begasus>
just some kirigami glitches in there, but not sure if marble-behaim is already in latest release :P
<phschafft>
em.
<Begasus[m]>
or it's missing some features from kirigami master :P
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<Anarchos>
hello
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<Begasus[m]>
Hi Anarchos
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<MonniTheCat>
<Begasus> "just some kirigami glitches in..." <- Gotta have some glitches and noise in old images, otherwise people think it's fake or heavily postprocessed, which makes it less original...
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<Begasus>
if that is what it is then I'm good MonniTheCat :P
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<MonniTheCat>
<Begasus> "if that is what it is then I'm..." <- You could try running the same program under Linux or FreeBSD to see if either show same glitches, but that is purely optional...
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<dovsienko>
hello all. what is the best way to tell if a package is included in the default installation besides installing yet another test Haiku system?
<dovsienko>
I am specifically interested in GNU coreutils
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<Begasus[m]>
hmm it should be specified in one of the files in Haiku's source dovsienko iirc
<Begasus[m]>
Hi Kokito!
<Kokito>
Hello Begasus[m]!
<Begasus[m]>
Mika Lindqvist as mentioned, it's not released yet, planned for 25.3
<Begasus[m]>
that and I don't have a linux install :P
<MonniTheCat>
Begasus[m]: I have Linux, but no KDE or X11 installed ;)
<Begasus[m]>
coreutils itself is hosted at haikuports (recipe)
<Begasus[m]>
you need atleast something capable of running KDE :)
<MonniTheCat>
Begasus[m]: When Windows version of Unizone stopped working in Windows 10, I tried running Linux version under Windows... It kinda worked but was awkward to use...
<Begasus>
looks too tight up into the system to remove it from the /system/packages
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<Begasus>
by that time BeShare lost already most of it's users I think MonniTheCat
<MonniTheCat>
Begasus: After kane died, there was nobody sharing porn on Minox's server, so no fun for older users... I can't even remember when Jeremy stopped updating BeShare...
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<Begasus>
there was ... ? :P
<Begasus>
there was lot's of BeOS goodies that I know :D
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<Begasus>
Hi draKon
<MonniTheCat>
Begasus: There was a fork of BeShare that could share files without showing up in normal search... At least kane and Garjala used it...
<draKon>
hey begasus
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<draKon>
:)
<Begasus>
nerds :P
<MonniTheCat>
Begasus: It sent the files using normal chat messages, but the first character was NULL, so normal client would show just empty text...
<Begasus>
back then the newsgroups were still a thing
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<draKon>
hi MonniTheCat :)
<Begasus>
hi zard :)
<Begasus>
now where is OscarL ...
<MonniTheCat>
Begasus: Still too early for him I guess...
<Begasus>
MonniTheCat, he has some weird time-shifts :)
<Begasus>
7.30sh AM there I think
<MonniTheCat>
Begasus: Same timezone as I had when working there...
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<Begasus>
biab
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<dovsienko>
thank you Begasus[m]
<MonniTheCat>
Begasus: I have like 5 different clocks in my work phone just so I know when it's not night somewhere... Have to work with people from Argentina, Europe and Asia...
<Begasus>
I don't "have" to :)
* phschafft
has one, it ticks UTC. so basically telling when the sun is over the queen's head. I guess that works for everybody but some parts of Asia ;)
<MonniTheCat>
Begasus: I know ;)
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<Skipp_OSX>
so let me ask a question... I'm trying to figure out what to do with misbehaving usb devices and the mount menu. I have a floppy drive here and when I plug it in well it tries to read it and fails, that part is expected, but what is unexpected it that Deskbar locks up trying to enumerate the device in the mount menu.
<Skipp_OSX>
I have a syslog here of what happens when I plug and unplug the device, perhaps that might help
<dovsienko>
I'd see how the device works on Linux and possibly other OS(es) to confirm the hardware can work fine if driven correctly
<dovsienko>
(and if the hardware is faulty, see how other OSes handle the fault)
<Skipp_OSX>
the hardware works fine on other OS's
<Skipp_OSX>
I'm not sure that it's expected to work on Haiku although it tries to work. Again, that's not what I'm looking for here, what I'm looking for is how to prevent Deskbar/Tracker from locking up while iterating over the mount menu.
<dovsienko>
then, as far as you are describing it, the enumeration ought to use some kind of a timeout and/or to handle device errors without getting stuck
<Skipp_OSX>
hold on that's not it.
<dovsienko>
I suppose over years fewer and fewer developers tested their code on floppy disk drives
<Skipp_OSX>
so there you go you can see the kernel trying to load up the floppy, getting stalled and giving up, then cancelling it. You can see it's a Y-E DATA floppy drive.
<Skipp_OSX>
Yeah I don't think the floppy drive is supposed to work/is known not to work but that's kind of the point.
<dovsienko>
Y-E sounds familiar, my Spectrum FDD may have been of the same make in mid-90s
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<Skipp_OSX>
Yeah it's a floppy drive maker going way back
<Skipp_OSX>
Y-E Data
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<dovsienko>
I am not familiar with kernel disk drivers, but the first few error messages lead me to think the traffic on USB is not what the driver is expecting
<augiedoggie>
you'll probably have to do the partition scanning from a thread so it doesn't lock up the main UI
<dovsienko>
as a network engineer, I'd try to look at the packets on the USB to see how far the exchange makes it before the kernel does not like it anymore
<dovsienko>
(in Linux and FreeBSD it is possible to capture on USB)
<dovsienko>
perhaps this is a potential improvement that competent Haiku developers could consider (USB capture)
<Skipp_OSX>
that's what I'm thinking augie
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<AlienSoldier>
waddlesplash my system kdl with something related to QTwebengine, seem fine if i return to my december 7 build.
<AlienSoldier>
Falcon run but seem to kdl eventually.
<AlienSoldier>
i disabled virtual memory but it still does it.
<AlienSoldier>
anyway, i need to go to work now, at least i have a 7 december stable system.
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<waddlesplash>
AlienSoldier: a picture of the KDL would be nice
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<MonniTheCat>
The USB stall when connecting legacy devices to USB 3.0 controller is well known... Looking at the code, it never changes port to legacy mode, which handles timeouts differently... This obviously never happens when the device is connected to USB 2.0 controller as it supports handover to USB 1.0 controller...
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<scantysnax>
is there a way to draw a single pixel to a BView? i don't see anything relevant in the Be Book.
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<augiedoggie>
probably just StrokeLine() with a 1 pixel length :P
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] e52dd571d91a - bootloader: Make releasing the heap the platform loader's responsibility.
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<MonniTheCat>
Eh... Haiku seems to choke if I don't have a disk in USB drive...
<scantysnax>
i thought they fixed that...
<scantysnax>
unless i am thinkng of something else entirely.
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<scantysnax>
MonniTheCat , are you on a nightly?
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<MonniTheCat>
scantysnax: Yup...
<scantysnax>
ah okay, so nevermind my suggestion :^)
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<scantysnax>
i was told that there was a problem with gcc on the latest.
<scantysnax>
don't know if they fixed it (yet).
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<MonniTheCat>
I get bunch of errors with SCSI SYNCHRONIZE CACHE and then with SCSI READ... Would be pretty dumb to expect that read with no disk present would go well...
<scantysnax>
ah okay, so it shouldnt'
<scantysnax>
be doing a read
<scantysnax>
since there's nothing to read.
<scantysnax>
could be an easy fix in the driver?
<MonniTheCat>
I should check if usb_disk even tries to understand removable drives...
<scantysnax>
i have been having problems with removable fat media. i was told to switch to nightly.
<MonniTheCat>
Only useful output syslog says is "device reports a lun count of 4"...
* scantysnax
guesses everyone is probably at work now.
<MonniTheCat>
Maybe I need to enable tracing on usb_disk to see if it detects the drive correctly as removable...
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<scantysnax>
new iceweasel, old cursor problem
<scantysnax>
if they could fix that, it would totally be usable.
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<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 9a2e367eaefe - kernel/vm: Enforce more area protection restrictions.
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] e534029ca0e8 - libroot: Remove some old TODOs from fork() implementation.
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 91bb4d0238fd - libroot: Implement a "partial" vfork.
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<waddlesplash>
MonniTheCat: I think usb_disk doesn't handle removable devices like CD/DVD drives, yeah
<waddlesplash>
or it's not properly aware of them anyway
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<MonniTheCat>
I get "no media inserted" in syslog, but it still tries to read...
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<MonniTheCat>
B_GET_MEDIA_STATUS: 0x8000a003 when reading disk/usb/0/2/raw
<MonniTheCat>
same with disk/usb/0/0/raw
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<MonniTheCat>
half of the time it skips lun 0 and 3, but half of the time it doesn't skip them... B_GET_GEOMETRY returns 1 sectors at 512 bytes per sector when there is no disk in drive...
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<MonniTheCat>
0x8000a003 is B_DEV_NO_MEDIA... So correct error code is detected...
<fancy2209[m]>
<OscarL> "fancy2209: mbedtls recipe..." <- from what I know it's probably the 3
<fancy2209[m]>
i need to add them to rust_bin DEPENDS
<fancy2209[m]>
it seems it's just a runtime dep
<fancy2209[m]>
not a buil ddep
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<piusbird>
out of curiosity where is that driver from originally NetBSD
<piusbird>
guess i can read the src for that
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<piusbird>
ah freebsd
<piusbird>
wonder if it's an upstream issue too
<waddlesplash>
probably is based on the commit log
<waddlesplash>
I had a brief chat with the fbsd devs before pushing that fix
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<Halian>
o/
<fancy2209[m]>
@x512 by the way just curious, have you ever tried to get VirGL or Virtio GPU to work on Haiku? They provide HW Vulkan/OpenGL on Haiku VMs and I feel like it'd be interesting to look into but wanted to make sure you haven't looked into it already
<fancy2209[m]>
s/Haiku//
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