<dovsienko>
would be simpler to give the NES its own monitor/TV and to focus on the main problem meanwhile?
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<scantysnax>
dovsienko: yes, that's exactly how i am going to do my experiments.
<scantysnax>
an all in one solution on the desktop is really nice, though
* OscarL
hopes 4 GB of RAM is enough to build this boost thingie (using ramfs, so might hit a bug or two anyway).
<scantysnax>
OscarL: I've worked with boost on Haiku a while ago. It should all compile cleanly
<scantysnax>
moved away from it since.
<OscarL>
I'm trying to rebuild the package for boost1.85, to avoid an issue with wrong dependencies.
<OscarL>
(I had always ran the other way every time I saw a project havign boost as dependency)
<scantysnax>
bbiaf
<OscarL>
(specially when the project is tiny, but drags that monster behind).
<OscarL>
I should really have run a serch for more sizeof(dirent().d_name) before. Sigh. (failed with same error further down)
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<OscarL>
what I don't get is... how comes boost1.85 got build in 2024-07-10 without a patch for this.
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<scantysnax>
hrm, i think we were using boost 1.5 or so. apparently some things have changed?
<scantysnax>
but i do remember it was a highly organised series of headers.
<OscarL>
I can't talk about its quality. Just was put off by its size (when just trying to compile/use something else)
<scantysnax>
yeah, it's pretty big if you need it for one or two things.
<scantysnax>
by the time we moved away from it, we were only using it for SHA calculation so we used our own.
<OscarL>
jfc. Used memory (while building it): 3.6 GiB peak. Hovering around 2.4 now.
<scantysnax>
wow.
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<scantysnax>
how do you tell how much memory is used?
<OscarL>
won't complain much about optimized + LTO Python builds, in comparison.
<OscarL>
ActivityMonitor shows memory usage vs time.
<scantysnax>
ah
<scantysnax>
we are using LTO.
<scantysnax>
still the binary is pretty big.
<OscarL>
we only have LTO enabled on Python 3.13 so far.
<OscarL>
Makes builds times 2.5 larger, for aroud a 5% speed bump (on one synthetic benchmark at least).
<scantysnax>
been using it on probably beta4 for a long time
<OscarL>
mmm, misse a memory spike that touched the 4 GB ceiling (on the ActivityMonitor graph at least)... hope the build isn't borked.
<OscarL>
*missed
<scantysnax>
let's see... with lto: 848kB
<scantysnax>
without: 861kB
<scantysnax>
haha
<scantysnax>
probably will remove it in future builds on haiku
<OscarL>
why? doesn't helps speedup things?
<OscarL>
at least it is doing some code-elimination, no?
<scantysnax>
13k...
<scantysnax>
negligible.
<scantysnax>
for now i'm leaving it in.
<scantysnax>
because things are working well.
<scantysnax>
i don't want to poke the bear
<OscarL>
boost1.85 finished, but package creation is taking a looong time.
<scantysnax>
hooray
<OscarL>
finished in almost 40 minutes (using RAMFS). No way I'm trying that on my HDD install :-D
<scantysnax>
yikes.
<scantysnax>
40 minutes puts the boo in boost.
<OscarL>
lol, yeah!
<scantysnax>
i don't remember it being that large when using it.
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<OscarL>
mmm, I am NOT installing vcmi to test this boost package.
<OscarL>
way too many dependencies!
<scantysnax>
what's vcmi?
<OscarL>
(but after installing my locally built boost1.85, at least it doesn't complains about a missing icu75)
<OscarL>
scantysnax: according to its .recipe: "An open source engine for Heroes or Might and Magic III"
<scantysnax>
ah
<scantysnax>
sound really uninteresting.
<OscarL>
right :-)
<OscarL>
let's see if I can test with innoextract instead.
<OscarL>
smoke-test: PASSED
<OscarL>
ready to ship, I say. :-P
<scantysnax>
lols
<scantysnax>
as long as the magic smoke is still in there and not coming out, we have a chance!
<OscarL>
uninstalled my boost1.85.... now `pkgman install {vcmi,innoextract}` fail (as expected). Hope I didn't break functionality with my little build-fix patch.
<scantysnax>
and you don't smell anything?
<scantysnax>
:^)
<OscarL>
scantysnax: I mean... try it on your machine: "pkgman install innoexctract" (you won't be able to, there ICU75 package is not available on repos anymore).
<OscarL>
if I'm not mistaken... those broken dependecies also break the new "pkgman search --not-required" functionality (when used without the --installed option).
<scantysnax>
let me try, hold on
<scantysnax>
pkgman install innoextract
<scantysnax>
100% repochecksum-1 [65 bytes]
<scantysnax>
Validating checksum for Haiku...done.
<scantysnax>
100% repochecksum-1 [64 bytes]
<scantysnax>
Validating checksum for HaikuPorts...done.
<scantysnax>
Encountered problems:
<scantysnax>
problem 1: nothing provides lib:libicudata>=75.1 needed by boost1.85-1.85.0-1
<scantysnax>
solution 1:
<scantysnax>
- do not install "providing innoextract"
<scantysnax>
Please select a solution, skip the problem for now or quit.
<OscarL>
I wish manually mounted RAMFS devices didn't got hidden on "Disks". I'd want my /RAMDRIVE, to show up there along with the rest of volumes :-)
<scantysnax>
i think i might get a SSD
<OscarL>
(using the next best thing now... a symlink on Desktop, albeit I rather had less icons there)
<OscarL>
scantysnax: do it!
<OscarL>
I finally pulled the trigger on the cheapest one I could find...
<scantysnax>
hehe yeah, i'm going to save some money
<OscarL>
(120 GB, about 17 USD)
<scantysnax>
i want 1TB or so.
<OscarL>
no postage paid, so it was then or never for me.
<scantysnax>
that's pretty cheap
<OscarL>
17 bucks is a big chunk of my monthly expenses but... happy with it so far :-)
<scantysnax>
ah
<scantysnax>
smoke btb
<scantysnax>
brb*
<scantysnax>
back
<scantysnax>
if i didnt' spend money on smokes, i could afford that ssd.
<OscarL>
:-D
<OscarL>
switch to a tobacco pipe? (should be cheaper)
<scantysnax>
yeah, but those aren't really portable.
<scantysnax>
and it would be weird to be the only guy smoking from a pipe.
<OscarL>
I was finnaly able to quit smoking 6 years ago.
<scantysnax>
it's been very hard
<scantysnax>
i quit for 3 months sometime ago
<OscarL>
I had "quit" two times before... 3 months, then a year and change... till got a job... anxiety spikes... and relapsed.
<OscarL>
now no job, no money, but at least no smokes :-D
<scantysnax>
understood
<scantysnax>
can you get any benefits from the government because of your illness?
<OscarL>
for mental issues? not really (unless you're institusionalized).
<scantysnax>
ah, that's too bad.
<OscarL>
(and the parenthesis part is not a given either :-D)
<scantysnax>
i see.
<scantysnax>
i get enough to go month to month.
<OscarL>
that's good.
<OscarL>
safety nets are important.
<scantysnax>
yes.
<OscarL>
While I was working... managed to save enough to buy a small house that I rent, so I (usually) get that as passive income. Not much, but at least I'm not a burden to my family.
<scantysnax>
ah, that's good.
<scantysnax>
i live at home still, but i pay rent every month
<OscarL>
(I'd be even better off... if it wasn't for Argentine's crazy economy :-D)
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<scantysnax>
can't say i know anything about that.
<OscarL>
wish I could say the same, lol :-D
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<OscarL>
lol, work-dir for boost1.85 (after a successful .hpkg build)... 768.28 MiB (and that's *without* a work-dir git repo)
* OscarL
happily nukes it from ramfs, smiling for not having to wait anywhere between 3 to 12 minutes on cleaning up suck dirs (as was the case on HDD).
<OscarL>
erysdren: I never thought I would watch videos about speedruns (not my jam), but that channel is something else.
<FreeFull>
fish 4.0b is a pretty much complete rewrite, so I wonder how many of the same issues it'd have
<OscarL>
interesting. Guess I could give it a spin over the weekend.
<OscarL>
meanwhile.... building in "Release" mode (vs "RelWithDebInfo"), took 5 and a half minutes, vs 12 of the latter.
<FreeFull>
They specifically moved from C++ to Rust, not sure how much of a problem it'll be for building it
<OscarL>
ah... then I'm out. I don't do rust stuff (nothing against rust, I just avoid packages that are too big, or have many dependencies, in general)
<OscarL>
FreeFull: we do have a more or less working rust 1.83 compiler.
<OscarL>
issue tends to be with crates not being particularly aware of Haiku, I think.
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<augiedoggie>
writing rust recipes is a hassle, i have several apps built but i don't feel like listing a hundred sources in the recipe
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* OscarL
looks at the "bat" recipe. augiedoggie was certainly not kidding.
<OscarL>
"SOURCE_URI_141" that'd be a: "Nah, dawg! You do it!" from me :-D
<Begasus[m]>
morning peeps
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<Begasus[m]>
listing the full SOURCE_URI's for rust recipes is overkill, the Cargo.toml file should take care of that iirc
<OscarL>
Morning Begasus[m]! ("man, he's up early" I thought... then saw it is 3:40 here, lol)
<Begasus>
Locking 52 packages to latest compatible versions (not too much crates involved)
<Begasus>
File for rust I refered to earlier is Cargo.lock, it holds the checksums already in there
<OscarL>
Begasus: too bad Python's requirement.txt, pyproject.toml, and the like, are not like that.
<OscarL>
Saw the pr for boost Begasus? I'm scratching my head about why I was getting an error now, but it worked OK for you (and the buildmasters) back on July.
<OscarL>
only thing that comes to mind is that maybe some of those _GNU_SOURCES vs _DEFAULT_SOURCES, etc., might have shaken something loose.
<OscarL>
right, that was my intention, to clean the reports at least.
<OscarL>
only tested 64 bits here, might do a 32 bits run tomorrow, I guess.
<janking>
good morning
<Begasus>
morning janking
<OscarL>
hello janking
<janking>
:)
<Begasus>
will merge, if anything pops up on 32bit I can still blame you :)
<OscarL>
fair.
<Begasus[m]>
did you have a look at the "gast" python PR?
<Begasus>
ps, got ICU76 and boost1.86 already here
<OscarL>
Begasus: just commented on the gast PR.
<Begasus>
+1
<OscarL>
I need to finish moving my older stuff from the (independent) 32 and 64 installs on HDD to the "centralized" SSD.
<OscarL>
Already finished moving my Haiku clone (with my branches, untracked files, etc). Need to do the same for the two haikuports clones I had (trying to not lose anything of value)
<Begasus>
congrats on the new one :)
<OscarL>
yeah, makes switching back and forth so much easier.
<OscarL>
Wish I know how to properly set it up eariler.
<OscarL>
s/know/knew/
<OscarL>
I was thinking of writting a forum post about it. Might help some newcomer.
<Begasus>
could be handy
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<OscarL>
it wasn't until I tried to modify HaikuPorter itself that I've found out about the undocumented options I ended up using :-D
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<OscarL>
I thought the ones on the HaikuPorts-sample.conf where the only ones available :-D
<Begasus>
hidden treasures :P
<Begasus[m]>
fish good to go OscarL?
<OscarL>
I think so. yes. (with the caveat that it doesn't makes it much better, only cleaner)
<OscarL>
(doesn't works better, but also doesn't works worse than before... same hangs on old an new revisions)
<Begasus[m]>
+1
<Begasus>
out for a bit
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<Begasus>
re
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<OscarL>
finnaly the 32 bits build of boost finished (took 2x the time than on 64 bits!)
<OscarL>
report.txt got cleared, good enough for today. Off to bed. See you around Begasus! Have a good one!
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<andreasdr[m]>
Hi there
<Begasus[m]>
Hi andreasdr
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi Begasus
<Begasus[m]>
how's it going?
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<Skipp_OSX_>
(you see the bullet points?) So it's gotta be our HTML renderer
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<Begasus[m]>
ah, as they are used in recipes and displayed in "HaikuDepot" application?
<Begasus[m]>
they got the wrong color?
<dovsienko>
scantysnax: "free" or "sysinfo"
<PulkoMandy>
We don't have an html renderer
<PulkoMandy>
it's probably haikudepot experimental textview replacement written by stippi then
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<PulkoMandy>
That supports some kind of markdown-like syntax
<Anarchos>
Skipp_OSX maybe you can use a unicode character to get a bullet point ?
<Skipp_OSX>
I'm getting the bullet point, just wrong color
<Begasus>
bbl
<Skipp_OSX>
I see now, this is something that is specific to HaikuDepot anyway...
<Skipp_OSX>
Bullet points were implemented specifically for this app, interesting.
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<Yoke>
Ye Boiii Haiku is installed on the laptop now :)
<Yoke>
I wonder if there's a way of getting the Fn shortcuts working, cause they don't seem to be doing anything at the moment
<Yoke>
just for reference I'm on a Dell latitude and for some things like changing the screen brightness you have to hold Fn and press the up and down directional keys
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<Skipp_OSX>
I got it, woot
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<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 1ad0f6ade6ec - via graphics: fix compiler warnings
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<Anarchos>
Yoke functions for volume +/- may work. For brightness no idea.
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<Yoke>
yep volume works, honestly it's not a massive thing that the brightness shortcut doesn't work
<Yoke>
I should be greatful that brightness works in the first place really
<Yoke>
cause I'm aware that it's not something that works for everyone
<augiedoggie>
if there is there a brightness slider in the Screen preferences the problem may just be that those keypresses aren't assigned to anything in Haiku
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<Yoke>
how would I map them?
<Yoke>
I've tried shortcuts if that's the right thing?
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<PulkoMandy>
yes, you need to define custom shortcuts invoking "brightness +1" and "brightness -1" for example (or larger or smaller value depending on how fast you want the brightness to change when you press it)
<PulkoMandy>
if Fn keys don't work you can assign the shortcut to some other key combination as well
<Yoke>
fn keys seem to work because I can do printscreen and that's on fn+End, the problem is i don't know what the Fn+arrow keys are mapped to
<Yoke>
I suppose I could map it to right ctrl?
<Yoke>
Wait shortcuts doesn't have any documentation yet?
<PulkoMandy>
In the shortcuts preferences I think you can just press the key combination you want and see if it registers or not
<PulkoMandy>
It depends on how the laptop manufacturer wired it
<Yoke>
it's a dell so I'm not putting any money on it being wired normally
<Yoke>
and I doubt dell's documentation will yeild anything useful
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<augiedoggie>
do you actually have a brightness slider in the Screen preferences app? otherwise playing with the shortcuts is meaningless
<Yoke>
I do yeah
<augiedoggie>
ok
<augiedoggie>
the Shortcuts user interface is awful, it's on my todo list to write a new one
<Yoke>
shortcuts are a poweruser thing, don't beat yourself up too much about it
<augiedoggie>
if you select the "Key" field while setting up a new shortcut it will try to read a keypress
<PulkoMandy>
there isn't really a "normal" way to handle these keys, it can be regular key events from the USB or PS/2 keyboard, or it cna be through ACPI. I'm not sure how complete our ACPI driver is to handle this
<PulkoMandy>
power users deserve a nice UI too :)
<augiedoggie>
there is no indication that the app is waiting for a key press while you have that "Key" field selected
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<waddlesplash>
what would be really nice if you could 1. type in the path text field, 2. it did autocomplete, 3. it handled $PATH
<waddlesplash>
and if all the shortcut fields were just "press shortcut" like the Qt shortcut widget
<waddlesplash>
oh, and if it handled default shortcuts more sensibly
<waddlesplash>
it would be neat if e.g. PrntScrn was in there rather than being hardcoded somewhere else
<augiedoggie>
yeah
<Yoke>
I can't get the autodetect to work
<augiedoggie>
you'll probably have to assign some other shortcut for it
<Yoke>
and as ever dell's documentation is absolutely useless
<Anarchos>
haiku-format changed a lot of indentation in a source file. Are there options that i missed ?
<Yoke>
correction, the autodetect doesn't work when I hold function maybe it's some higher level thing that changes the brightness than a simple shortcut
<PulkoMandy>
so your function keys are not handled as a normal keyboard, and would need a special driver (ACPI or otherwise). But you can set up a shortcut not using function keys if you want until then
<Yoke>
yeah, should probably just go about it that way
<Yoke>
I know next to nothing about coding (other than in basic)
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<Yoke>
YES FIGURED IT OUT but now my screen is painfuly bright
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<scanty>
Anarchos, the laptop is a Toshiba Satellite L755 S5107
<scanty>
it's a Sattelite, but I don't know the model number
<scanty>
oops, already said it was a sattelite.
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<Anarchos>
how come i got this error message ????
<Anarchos>
ERROR: commit f49aa17: email address noreply@github.com is not registered in your account, and you lack 'forge committer' permission.
<Anarchos>
remote: The following addresses are currently registered:
<Anarchos>
remote: sylvain_kerjean@hotmail.com
<Anarchos>
i only imported a rebase from github in my local repo
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<scanty>
testing my BNC. it usually cuts out after an hour or so, we'll see.
<scanty>
and it does so silently... it just stops responding to traffic.
<dovsienko>
scanty: to identify a PC/server, especially a brand name one, boot Linux and run "dmidecode", it will dump plenty of part, product and serial numbers
<scanty>
ah cool
<scanty>
thanks
<scanty>
charging it up now.
<dovsienko>
pretty useful for planning a RAM upgrade in a server that's running in a data centre far away
<scanty>
indeed
<scanty>
hmm have a thread in vision eating a whole cpu.
<Yoke>
how is vision eating a thread of (I'm guessing) a Zeon?
<scanty>
it is a xeon, and vision is eating a cpu
<scanty>
brb
<Anarchos>
scanty it is a bug of vision. Did you close a channel ?
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