<scantysnax>
they fill in once the window need drawing (if it was obscured, or moved offscreen)
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<scantysnax>
brb smoke.
<scantysnax>
back.
<scantysnax>
phschafft, perhaps we do need some devs in the house ;-)
<phschafft>
?
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<scantysnax>
as to your suggestion.
<dru_satori>
those that can answer the question quickly tend to be here, but are not generally sitting there idle monitoring for questions :)
<scantysnax>
i'm not asking for anyone to wait around for any questions.
<dru_satori>
( also, no I am not one of them :), I've only been back working with Haiku for about 5 days after a nearly 10 year hiatus )
<scantysnax>
nice.
* phschafft
is currently fighting with xmodmap. which seems to do nothing whatever he does.
<scantysnax>
i remember toying with that one trying to get the extra keys on a sun keyboard to work properly with x
<dru_satori>
lol, I'm busy seeing how many spectacular ways I can crash the boot process working with the intel_extreme driver to enable the Alder Lake GPU's
<dru_satori>
it is quite entertaining :)
<phschafft>
it just... resets the next key is pressed.
<phschafft>
not sure why it resets the layout on keypress?
<scantysnax>
i also remember not having success with it.
<phschafft>
it accepts the input but then once I do something it is reset.
<phschafft>
it even reports it directly after I set it.
<scantysnax>
i just move back from linux to solaris, and everything worked fine.
<phschafft>
which... doesn't help me at all. ;)
<erysdren>
:P
<scantysnax>
sorry.
<phschafft>
I do all this just to fix some brokeness from other people.
<phschafft>
this is nothing about preference or whatever. this is to get some application running that wants keys not present on my keyboard.
<scantysnax>
i understand.
<dru_satori>
alright, time for food and a backup before I test more adjustments
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<Dreams>
hello
<Dreams>
I made a miniapp intended to adjust the privacy settings of Haiku. Right now it has very few options, but I'd like to know if it would be OK to make it part of Haiku (and also be expanded with more privacy options). It's MIT licensed. https://codeberg.org/cafeina/Privacy
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<phschafft>
I think I figured it out.
<phschafft>
I needed to use setxkbmap not xmodmap.
* phschafft
waves to Dreams.
<phschafft>
or maybe not.
<erysdren>
Dreams: i think its a cool idea. i'll try it out for myself soon.
<dru_satori>
is it just me or is HaikuDepot really crashy
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<OscarL>
dru_satori: I haven't used it much, but I remember it being a bit flacky if network connection is not good enough.
<OscarL>
saved a .report file?
<OscarL>
(HaikuDepot has had a lot of work done on it since I last used it regularly, so any info/perception I may have can be way out-dated)
<dru_satori>
not yet, I want to run it when I am not running on my own buggy video driver
<OscarL>
best of lucks on that intel_extreme endeavour!
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<phschafft>
I now have a key that emits Control_L but does not emit the control flag.
<OscarL>
phschafft: if you get a working AltGr, you're in a better position than Haiku on that regard at least :-)
<phschafft>
I never had AltGr not working.
<OscarL>
Well, on Haiku it "works", but is not a separate key from "left-alt".
<phschafft>
hm.
<phschafft>
I think I got ot working.
<phschafft>
no let's test if that actually works.
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<phschafft>
I think this will teach me a good bit on how not to implement stuff in SIRTX ;)
<OscarL>
:-)
<OscarL>
silver-linings
<phschafft>
and the answer is... no.
<phschafft>
it's not working.
<OscarL>
I'm still trying to wrap my head around which escape secuences I need to implement on Terminal to support "shift+arrow" selection in a wide set of apps (without breaking others in the process).
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<OscarL>
Man... terminal emulation has *a lot* of accumulated baggage one needs to learn about :-/
<erysdren>
over 50 years worth....
<phschafft>
one of the things I learned and... removed from SIRTX ;)
<OscarL>
and bug-fixes over bugs, then bugfixes over the bug-fixes, etc, ad nauseum.
<phschafft>
if you write an \e to a terminal you get an error from your write() ;)
<OscarL>
Be's "B_DONT_DO_THAT" error constant seems fitting there :-P
<phschafft>
you get an ILLSEQ.
<phschafft>
Illegal byte sequence
<phschafft>
but if also habe a USER error.
<phschafft>
error code 90, Error in front of screen
<OscarL>
I read it as "that's an ill sequence you have there... consult your doctor about it" :-)
<phschafft>
;)
<OscarL>
"WIP: enable assembly for openssl". (from an old stash save... can't even remember attempting that). Might as well save it for future reference, as it is not unusual for me to out-smart myself.
<phschafft>
anyway. have a good night.
<OscarL>
be well phschafft!
<phschafft>
erysdren: feel free to reply to my register question btw. ;)
<phschafft>
nachti!
<erysdren>
no probs! i will do.
<erysdren>
er, i dunno how i said "no probs". i will do :P
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<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] da880bc23d17 - kernel/vm: Correct check for other waiters.
<OscarL>
augiedoggie: I may want to kiss you :-)
<OscarL>
I had intended to have a "zsh-starter-pack" for Haiku, with only 3 plugings configured out of the box (for proper auto-completion suggestions, and that darn shif-select). Wonder where I left that WIP recipe. Mmm.
<OscarL>
(I lost interest in it, as I couldn't make zsh-shift-select work right)
<augiedoggie>
some of the shortcuts for forward/backword word and beginning/end of buffer will have to change because Haiku doesn't differentiate certain key combos
<OscarL>
much appreciated augiedoggie!
<OscarL>
yeah... I'm still wonderign what terminal Terminal is actually wanting to emulate, because we get $TERM=xterm-256color, but the esc-seq it recognize are not the same as the one that "proper" xterm do.
<OscarL>
I tried makign Terminal use those ^[[1;2D... "fixes" Nano, for example. but breakes midnight commander.
<OscarL>
(mc uses s-lang, vs ncurses)
<augiedoggie>
part of the problem is the $terminfo variable in zsh has some bad keycodes in it that doen't work, so i disabled that and entered the raw sequences
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<augiedoggie>
i might be able to fix those other shortcuts, i'll have to look later or tomorrow
<OscarL>
thanks in advance for your work :-)
<OscarL>
deleting >11K files from HDD again. not fun. Tracker reports "132 bytes/s" :-D
<augiedoggie>
heh, i pushed some wrong keycodes
<augiedoggie>
i'll fix it in a minute
<OscarL>
+1
<augiedoggie>
yeah, looks like it will be difficult to keep the other shortcuts, i can't get Terminal to differentiate between shift+arrow and ctrl+shift+arrow
<augiedoggie>
and other combos with ctrl
<OscarL>
I have some WIP changes for that on some branch somewhere (Ctrl+shif+xxx)
<OscarL>
but I wasn't sure which way to go with them (as in... what are we really trying to emulate?)
<OscarL>
Feels like if we make Terminal aling better with what proper xterm uses, we should have less issues porting stuff over, but we might need to patch stuff like s-lang, that breaks if we go that route.
<OscarL>
shift-arrows works for me on nano runnign on Haiku, if I access it via ssh from cmd.exe on Win10, for example. doesn't works on Terminal. MC works on both, for some reason.
<OscarL>
all the vt100 vs vt2xx, vs application modes, etc., etc., details/differences, make my head dissy :-)
<augiedoggie>
a lot of cruft built up over the decades
* OscarL
starts a timer while trying to nuke one of his (now usless) haikuports clones
<OscarL>
bah! I saw a "zsh-starterpack" go by among the deleted folder :-(
<augiedoggie>
heh
<OscarL>
and I thought I had it all :-D
<augiedoggie>
probably easier to create a small partition and format it each time you need a new work tree :P
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<OscarL>
seems I still have some of it on a fetched branch at least. Seems I tried to add: "Autosuggestions", "Syntax-highlight" and "shift-select" :-)
<OscarL>
(all that "Oh my zsh!" stuff was too much for me.
<augiedoggie>
i'm currently using zplug to manage my plugins and prompts but it's kind of slow, especially on Haiku
<OscarL>
(~8 minutes to delete ~24k files... not the worst I've seen)
<OscarL>
yeah, start up felt way too slow for my taste (and my old hardware) even with a bare-bones OhMyZsh! (and thus why I tried to have a small package with the few plugins that I found most useful)
<OscarL>
mmm, still need to clean up my 64 bits hp clone. better do that after I get some sleep, before I regret deleting something potentially useful.
<OscarL>
See you around, folks. Have a great day!
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<phschafft>
augiedoggie: I personally consider xterm the gold standard today. doesn't mean it's the best or that others don't have fun extentions. but xterm seems to be the most complete implementation and also the one that influenced the modern understanding the most.
<phschafft>
so specifically if $TERM something *xterm* I would follow... xterm ;)
<phschafft>
if there would be e.g. a TERM=haiku-terminal, then that would be a completly different story.
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<Begasus>
morning peeps
<phschafft>
mau.
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<Begasus>
moin phschafft :)
<phschafft>
all good?
<Begasus>
a bit "under the weather" here (or how do you call it) :)
<Begasus>
bit of a flue or something, will survive :)
<Halian|>
:(
<Begasus>
Hi Halian|
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<pikaphase[m]>
wait thats the short version, my bad
<pikaphase[m]>
I'll try the UEFI one
<pikaphase[m]>
uhm, i don't get what `-drive if=pflash,format=raw,unit=0,readonly,file=OVMF_CODE.fd -drive if=pflash,format=raw,unit=1,file=OVMF_VARS.fd`
<pikaphase[m]>
does, but i have managed to boot by using apgreimann's flags
<pikaphase[m]>
does, but i have managed to boot by using apgreimann's flags (without hda)
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<Hanicef[m]>
<pikaphase[m]> "uhm, i don't get what `-drive if..." <- that loads the uefi bios that qemu supports, which allows it to identify and boot into uefi oses
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<draKon>
hey haiku peeps
<draKon>
umm i got a updates from hakiu depot twice this past week
<draKon>
just wondering if there is any influx of unusual reports?
<draKon>
such as networking / internet speed and disruption
<draKon>
or general OS sloppyness
<draKon>
im getting both
<draKon>
2 main routers both harder to connect to at times, but solved a bit, and also internet slower than normal
<draKon>
things are working again, but browsers get very clogged up, wasant this bad 7 weeks ago
<draKon>
yes i am new to haiku
<draKon>
but im aware of development issues
<waddlesplash>
pikaphase[m]: weird, I don't know that I've seen that KDL in QEMU before. I think some users have reported it with huge amounts of RAM in VMware though, or something like that
<draKon>
its only cos i got 2 lots of updates from haiku depot im concerned and want to narrow it down quicker than uninstalling a few programs
<draKon>
yeh seems a RAM thing to me
<waddlesplash>
pikaphase: anything interesting about your setup? QEMU version etc.
<draKon>
mmm
<draKon>
anyhow, i checked the forums nothing new popped up connected yet
<pikaphase[m]>
waddlesplash: changed to 512MiB, still crashes
<pikaphase[m]>
waddlesplash: `QEMU emulator version 9.1.2`
<Yoke>
I just slipped up because i was logged in with Konversation yesterday
<Yoke>
and i didn't spot the space at the front of the field
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<Begasus>
hmm ... konversation could use an update too :)
<Begasus>
2 seperate patchsets atm for Dolphin, with dbus and one with dbus disabled, still need to see if nothing is broken on the last one :)
<Yoke>
brb
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<phschafft>
Begasus: can't vision send the password directly?
<nephele_xmpp>
I don’t think vision does SASL
<nephele_xmpp>
but you can add this to on-connect commands if you want
<phschafft>
em.
<phschafft>
not SASL. just classic 90s IRC server password.
<phschafft>
no magic at all.
<Begasus>
me know nothing*
<Begasus>
I just have the line in the setup :)
<nephele_xmpp>
xmpp drops half the messages, great
<nephele_xmpp>
phschafft: I don’t think that is there either, and if that is accepted by a nickserv on a server is also the next question
<phschafft>
I never had a question it was not accepted.
<phschafft>
em
<phschafft>
network not question.
<phschafft>
and it's generally way more stable *and* secure.
<phschafft>
so if not supported it would be a low hanging fruit that is really worth to pick.
* nephele_xmpp
waits for people with apple T2 machines to visit the forum
<Begasus>
another rant coming up? :P
<nephele_xmpp>
Do i tend to rant?
<Begasus>
not you, there have been some lately :)
<Begasus>
at least the one for github is more silent now :P
<phschafft>
renting is what you get when nobody cleans /dev/null regularly before it overflows with sarcasm.
<nephele_xmpp>
droned out by AI? though in that one wierd AI topic someone premtively tried to strawman a github one .-.
<Begasus>
;)
<Begasus>
biab
<PulkoMandy>
It was possible to send a password on connect with freenode and vision, not sure about other irc networks as I forgot how it was done
<nephele_xmpp>
well anyway, if something goes out of hand on the forum feel free to flag it. Though discourse doesn’t send emails for this unless nobody adressed it for 2 days .-.
<phschafft>
PulkoMandy: for most IRC clients it's just in the server settings.
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 05c63cc0fe92 - Sounds prefs: don't show folders in Sounds menu
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<Anarchos>
hello
<augiedoggie>
seems a bit weird to call GetStat() to do that when BEntry has a IsDirectory() method
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<augiedoggie>
inherited from BStatable
<PulkoMandy>
Ah yes, I was looking for it when reviewing the patch but couldn't find it
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<Anarchos>
PulkoMandy i tried to find a way to pass the name of the MemoryDisk to the partiton/filesystem (for the PR 8523), but could'nt find a clean way.
<Skipp_OSX>
yay for sound commits
<Skipp_OSX>
Does this mean we're finally going to get system sounds?
<PulkoMandy>
Anarchos: I didn't look in detail yet, I was looking at some older patches this week
<Anarchos>
PulkoMandy no trouble.
<Skipp_OSX>
fSuper->Window()->PostMessage(Window()->CurrentMessage(), fSuper); <= if it makes you feel better this works
<Skipp_OSX>
fSuper->Looper()->PostMessage(Window()->CurrentMessage(), fSuper); <= this too I imagine
<Skipp_OSX>
Really gotta stretch to not use SendMessage, different looper and you need to tell it the handler
<waddlesplash>
fair enough
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<Hanicef[m]>
I'm back to work on haiku some more
<Hanicef[m]>
Right now trying to find bugs, and found one already
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<kantraa>
hello!
<Yoke>
Hi!
<kantraa>
I've just installed Haiku on a Grundig 32 bit prebuilt computer that I salvaged from my school yesterday. I've always wanted to try Haiku on real hardware but couldn't due to the fact that my laptop used ITC
<kantraa>
sorry accidentally hit enter
<Yoke>
always good to hear about unwanted hardware being put to good use
<kantraa>
(IEC? I don't remember, it was a trackpad protocol) and it wasn't supported in Haiku. Now that I have this I fully intend to daily drive it. I was wondering if there was a way I could compile the IceWeasel beta for 32 bit? I couldn't find it in HaikuDepot, I think it's 64 bit only
<waddlesplash>
probably not very easily
<waddlesplash>
apparently building Gecko needs 16GB of RAM
<waddlesplash>
and compile jobs need more than 2GB of virtual address space
<kantraa>
I couldn't do that with 2GB of ram i think
<waddlesplash>
so it can only be built on 64-bit architectures even if the target is 32-bit
<Yoke>
that's kinda ironic
<kantraa>
?
<kantraa>
How so
<waddlesplash>
basically all web browsers are bigger than the entirety of the Haiku codebase
<kantraa>
Jeez
<waddlesplash>
Haiku is around 3M LoC
<waddlesplash>
WebKit is north of 20M (however I think this includes the testsuite)
<kantraa>
I think I'll stick with falkon then
<kantraa>
I thought I would run into issues eventually but it seems to be working fine
<kantraa>
Any tips for a first-timer coming from Linux and a tiny bit of FreeBSD?
<waddlesplash>
read the quick tour at least
<waddlesplash>
gives a bunch of details on the UI and other things like that
<kantraa>
I would like to know how I can find and install decorations
<kantraa>
I couldn't find BeDecorator in the depot
<waddlesplash>
it's in haiku_extras package
<kantraa>
Oh I have that installed
<kantraa>
Thanks
<kantraa>
Loving this IRC client. Probably the most user friendly I've used so far
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<kantraa>
"See how after 20 years of rounded design and gradients, everyone is moving to all-flat square things. 20 years from now you will see the reverse move." Pulkomandy casually predicting neumorphism
<Yoke>
everything goes in cycles, from one extreme to another
<dovsienko>
Motif is the new Plasma! (or whatever was the latest squeak in KDE, I don't know)
<Yoke>
from skeuomorphism to whatever the hell you call modern UI "design"
<waddlesplash>
meanwhile, I finally figured out this VM page allocations bug
<waddlesplash>
and it only took... *checks clock* about 5 hours
<dovsienko>
I've settled with Xfce about 10 years ago because it runs the same no matter how old or new my current Linux PC is. it also looks and feels the same in Linux VMs with no 3D acceleration and sometimes poor 2D
<Yoke>
my ADHD ass could never sit down at a computer for that long at a time, that's impressive
<waddlesplash>
Yoke: oh, I didn't sit at the computer for 5 hours straight
<waddlesplash>
I did take breaks and the like
<waddlesplash>
but I didn't do a whole lot else in that period really
<waddlesplash>
the bug is really dumb, as I was kind of expecting it to be. and it's a regression from yesterdays changes, which I wasn't certain of at first
<waddlesplash>
but before yesterday's changes the system would just softlock or hardlock in this state, so I wouldn't have been able to easily determine that
<Yoke>
two steps forward one step back?
<waddlesplash>
as usual
<Yoke>
as a mechanic, I know how that feels all too well
<waddlesplash>
Yoke: anyway, re. ADHD, never underestimate the power of a mystery you don't know the answer to, lol
<waddlesplash>
it's not as if you're just staring at code for 5 hours doing nothing, you're looking at dozens of different things and making all sorts of changes to try and find the bug
<Yoke>
like you get the car running and then find out it doesn't turn off now when you take out the key
<waddlesplash>
the fix itself is a 1 line change
<waddlesplash>
the debugging code is 77 lines
<kantraa>
i cant add the hakilo decorator repository. it just says "server not found
<waddlesplash>
you shouldn't need that, it's probably gone
<waddlesplash>
the flat decorator is also in extras now
<kantraa>
I know but i wanted some more decorators
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<Yoke>
oh, there he goes
<Yoke>
I've been "dualbooting" my laptop in the most caveman way possible, by just changing the drive out XD