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<pikaphase[m]> is virtualbox the recommended way to run haiku?
<coolcoder613> no
<coolcoder613> That would be vmware
<augiedoggie> the recommended way is bare metal :P
<pikaphase[m]> augiedoggie: I wanna run bare metal but I don't have a working spare PC atm ☹️
<augiedoggie> yeah, i was joking because your question didn't specifically ask about a vm
<augiedoggie> i use vmware workstation
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<adrian_> ok so stupid quetsion
<adrian_> i just intsalled haiku but i didn't blow everything away, so it's in an EFI partition with no boot setup
<adrian_> ok, so then I try booting the haiku installer USB image again
<adrian_> and it ... boots and mounts my root Be filesystem
<adrian_> and doesn't give me the chance to rerun the installer
<coolcoder613> It's in the applications menu
<adrian_> so, how do I delete eveyrthing and start again? :P
<adrian_> i found it in system somewhere
<adrian_> and i ran it, and I want to reinit the disk, but I have a feeling booting from USB has SOMEHOW mounted my drive (named ROOT)
<adrian_> my HDD
<adrian_> the disk manager says "device/file/resource busy"
<coolcoder613> Using drivesetup?
<adrian_> I'm in it right now
<coolcoder613> You can unmount by right clicking on the drive
<coolcoder613> on the desktop
<adrian_> hm it came up brifely, I think the synoptics touchpad stuff is toucy
<adrian_> ca n't unmount
<adrian_> I think the USB stick boot process actually found my rootfs and mounted it
<adrian_> ok time to boot freebsd on it, delete the partition, and try again
<adrian_> lol
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<Begasus> morning peeps
<adrian_> ok, deleted, booted, reintsalled w/ EFI stuff, all good now
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<Begasus> morning OscarL! :)
<OscarL> Good late in the night Begasus :-)
<Begasus> augiedoggie, I see manpages in language subdirs, are they suppose to be there? /boot/system/documentation/man/da/man1 (for vim)
<Begasus> hmm ... yes a bit early there for morning OscarL :)
<OscarL> seems augiedoggie has been in issue-cleaning mood :-)
<Begasus> some like /boot/system/documentation/man/pt/man1 contain the manpages for clamav-gui that I can't call with "man clamav-gui"
<Begasus> yeah, good thing, they need a runover every once in a while :)
<Begasus> looks like no-one reads manpages anymore :)
<augiedoggie> i think the language issues would be tracked in https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/issues/5046
<Begasus> ah! didn't spot that one, thanks, so that is a different issue :)
<Begasus> k, only one here on my system would be freerdp then
<Begasus> saved in: /boot/system/data/man
<Begasus> whoot, already a "few" versions behind latest release
<Begasus> looking at that patchset I'm not going to bump there :)
<adrian_> waddlesplash: ok i think i wanna fix this hilarious trackpad behvaiour. :P
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<OscarL> had forgotten the size of scipy... will leave it for later :-)
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<draKon> hey people
<draKon> quick query, is the web down majorly anywhere? or any new problems with certain routers past 24 hours?
<draKon> phone networks even?
<draKon> in australia, specifically
<draKon> yesterday connecting to different routers all played up
<draKon> same time
<draKon> more than 1 sim card
<adrian_> is fine here for me in california
<adrian_> sounds like a telco problem in AU ?
<draKon> i know our phone company did some line work for mobile phones recently, and its said to be fixed
<draKon> yeh, id say its the telco
<draKon> better try get on the site and tell them
<draKon> irc works fine
<Begasus> any progress OscarL?
<Begasus> anything we can help with?
<OscarL> for scipy I need to add a couple more recipes (trying to find out if I had something already WIP for them)
<Begasus> ok, just shout when in need :)
<OscarL> in the meantime... I think #11530 can be merged as is, and we can update Monsterz, and Singularity later on.
<OscarL> (no pressure now on those as I now know how to fix them for the newer numpy)
<Begasus[m]> done
<Begasus[m]> how's it with that "gast" PR?
<Begasus[m]> lgtm?
<OscarL> it is in "old style", but looks decent (haven't actually used it yet, though).
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<OscarL> no harm in merging it, I guess. It will make it easier for me to touch up along the rest of the recipes I need for new scipy.
<Begasus[m]> OK, let's merge, no use on forcing new style for now
<Begasus[m]> +1
<OscarL> Begasus: re numpy... as mentioned in #11533... it would be nice to test if blender and opencv (and the recipes that depend on the latter) stil work with numpy from #11534
<OscarL> I can work on the rest of recipes... but those... not my cup of tea.
<Begasus[m]> not going to build blender, but could check installing :)
<OscarL> that will be helpful enough!
<OscarL> no idea what parts of Blender actually use numpy, though.
<Begasus[m]> still have to build newer numpy first though
<Begasus[m]> k, freerdp should be good now, could call the manpage for it
<OscarL> (might be hard to trigger an issue, if there's any at all)
<Begasus[m]> if it passes by your hand it's already * proof :D
<OscarL> Begasus[m]: no hurries with testing... I still need some hours of sleep :-P
<Begasus[m]> I should be done for kdevelop, so got some time now :)
<Begasus> re kdevelop, got the python language support added (and one for php) OscarL :) https://0x0.st/8r5W.png
<OscarL> read that on the logs. good work!
<Begasus> not sure if I should release new one though, with qtwebengine disabled, documentation doesn't work on it, and I'm not sure how much that is being used (doesn't interfere with working with it)
<OscarL> bah, seems I missed notifications when iam-git updated the gast recipe. He did changed the style and left only 3.10... but revision was set to 2 :-D
<Begasus> missed that :) well it's a new revision (although first one wasn't merged) :P
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<OscarL> re: kdevelop. if it works, lack of local docs isn't really a show-stopper, I think.
<Begasus> k, numpy build launched
<OscarL> thanks.
<Begasus> will do some further testing first I guess, maybe see what upstream is thinking of it
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<OscarL> (re: numpy build) shouldn't take too long. takes around <15 minutes on my machine (IIRC).
<Begasus> atleast there is an interest in patching out qtwebengine (as not all OS's got the one for Qt6)
<OscarL> makes sense.
<Begasus> this is still VM, no way to tell how fast it will be :)
<Begasus> no rust needed? iirc it was required at one point for numpy
<OscarL> I'm not touching rust :-)
<OscarL> and haven't seen mentions of it so far for these recipes.
<Begasus> grabbing numpy-2.2.1-1-x86_64.hpkg and moving it to /Share/haikuports/packages/numpy-2.2.1-1-x86_64.hpkg
<OscarL> network is acting up again. Can't git fetch :-/
<Begasus> that wasn't so bad :)
<OscarL> right. was pleasantly surprised at that build.
<OscarL> much more smoother than before.
<Begasus> yeah, rembmer it being a pain to build
<Begasus> smooth install, at least didn't brake the system :P
* OscarL looks around confused.
<Begasus> zssstt :P
<Begasus> eeps: runtime_loader: Cannot open file libpystring.so.0.0 (needed by /boot/system/lib/libOpenColorIO.so.2.0.1): No such file or directory (Blender)
<OscarL> no idea from where that libpystring.so file comes from
<Begasus> pystring0
<OscarL> Begasus: if you re-install the previous numpy... the error goes away?
<Begasus> launches fine now
<Begasus> not an issue from numpy
<OscarL> ah, "dev-cpp/pystring"
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<Begasus> both versions for pystring can be co-installed without issue
<Begasus> opencv didn't complain so far on numpy too
<OscarL> mm, opencolorio does lists libpystring, needs a version constraint so it picks the right one?
<Begasus> not seeing numpy in it's requires?
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<Begasus> not looking forward on those ocio and related :)
<OscarL> "ir numpy" shows numpy${secondaryArchSuffix}_python310 on opencv-4.8.0.recipe
<Begasus[m]> kdenlive and shotcut are disabled in the repo, but could check a new build for kdenlive (was planning to anyway)
<OscarL> (in future updates, we should just use "numpy_python310" in REQUIRES)
<Begasus> Opeing it in Expander doesn't list it?
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<OscarL> Begasus: the _tools package uses it, and it is a BUILD_REQUIRES.
<OscarL> so I guess that simplifies things.
<Begasus> ah, not the base package (don't have that tools package installed)
<OscarL> might be able to just take most if not all the recipes that depend on opencv from the list to test.
<Begasus> +1
<OscarL> sorry, I missed it was only on _tools for runtime dependency.
<Begasus[m]> np :) shortens the list, and I guess most of the other ones shouldn't be too hard to tackle, given a few that are
<OscarL> Begasus[m]: does the Blender package includes its own copy of numpy? (that's what I'm reading online, but that's for linux)
<Begasus[m]> checking
<OscarL> "package list blender*.hpkg | grep numpy"
<OscarL> (re singularity) yeah, good thing upstream alrady has a fix :-)
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<Begasus> /system/packages> package list blender*.hpkg | grep numpy
<Begasus> requires: numpy_python310>=1.26.0
<Begasus> tessellate_numpy.py 158831 2023-12-06 05:09:14 -rw-r--r--
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<Begasus> too bad you can't see anything with readelf on it?
<Begasus> oh whoops, still have the old one installed :P
<Begasus> /system/packages> pkgman uninstall numpy_python310
<Begasus> The following changes will be made:
<Begasus> in system:
<Begasus> uninstall package matplotlib_python310-3.7.2-2
<Begasus> uninstall package blender3-3.3.12-1
<Begasus> uninstall package contourpy_python310-1.1.0-1
<Begasus> uninstall package numpy_python310-1.26.0-1
<OscarL> should be able to update to numpy_python310-2.2.1 without uninstalling the rest.
<OscarL> numpy_python310-1.26 required the base package also (which is something we should not do for _python3xx packages anymore)
<Begasus> oh man! need more coffee I guess :P
<OscarL> or leave it for other moment, no hurry. I need to re-check the dependency chain anyway :-)
<OscarL> "pkgman search -r opencv_tools" shows nothing. good :-)
<Begasus> package replaced now (installed the base package instead of the _python* package) :)
<Begasus> Blender still launches
<Begasus> re-fill ... :)
<OscarL> No idea what effects/plugins from Blender make use of python/numpy. (never used it)
<Begasus> neither did I :)
<Begasus> k, need a reboot I thiink
<Begasus> biab
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<OscarL> why do we have Blender 2.79 and Blender 3.3 on 64 bits?
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<OscarL> I'm assuming only the older could be built on 32 bits, but shouldn't we disable the old one for 64 bits?
<Begasus> iirc there were some issues on both for 64bit
<Begasus> but not looking forward on checking this in a VM :)
<OscarL> seems to have a bazillion .py files... will need to grep those to see which one imports numpy, so we know what to (try to) test.
<Begasus> I'll let you tackle that as the grep guru :)
<OscarL> well... task is shorter than expected already. Will continue with it after some sleep.
<Begasus> launching kdenlive 24.12.0
<Begasus> ok, cu later :)
<Begasus> doggies here :)
<OscarL> thanks for the assist, Begasus. Have a good one!
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<Begasus> Could NOT find MLT: Found unsuitable version "7.22.0", but required is at
<Begasus> least "7.28.0" (found /packages/mlt-7.22.0-1/.self/develop/lib/libmlt-7.so)
<Begasus> ok, that needs an update too ...
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<Yoke> a bit off topic, but does anyone know of a decent IRC client for debian? honestly I keep drawing up blanks.
<Begasus> should be plenty around there I guess
<Yoke> you say that and I just find Konversation, Damn it.
<Begasus> lol
<Begasus> Konversion as a lot of others should be pretty comon on linux
<Begasus> looks like I already got latest mlt here :)
<draKon> Begasus hey
<Yoke> so long as it's not a pain to get working like it was on windows then I'll be good
<Begasus> hi draKon
<Begasus> using Nheko on Windows here
<Begasus> and HexChat (but haven't used that in a while)
<Yoke> and now I forget how to get on to the OFTC server, man
<coolcoder613> Yoke: I like to use Quassel
<Yoke> right, i've gotten connected now, finally
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<Yoke> YES
<Yoke> Point 1 for brute forcing stuff until it works XD
<Yoke> and I now realise that it shows my first name in the join prompt, that's not great
<Begasus> ;)
<Yoke> the joy of default settings, making cybersecurity bloody difficult since the start of networked computing
<Begasus> I know it's a "thing" in this era, but I'm not that worried here
<Yoke> anything like this is pretty much harmless, I mean IRC is like a big pit we all thow ASCII into and hope that the person on the other end understands what has been typed
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<Yoke> I mean in comparison to say something like discord or WhatsApp
<Begasus> no discord here, whatapp only once or twice in a year :)
<Yoke> wahtsApp just for distant relatives and the in-laws?
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev58464] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=e4420b24ebdb+%5E06fdc2e30fd3
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] e4420b24ebdb - Terminal: fixed possible memory leak on error.
<Begasus> puppy updates :)
<Yoke> aww you have puppers?
<Begasus> last litter already almost 3 years :P
<Yoke> Aww, I hope they're getting on alright then
<Begasus> so far no complaints :D
<Begasus> 2 of them still here
<Yoke> ah bugger, I gotta go, speak to yas later. Hope the puppies don't give you any trouble
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<nqvgln> hi, it seems that my wifi card `rtl8852be` doesn't work on haiku. from what i know, haiku uses freebsd drivers. however, freebsd supports it through `rtw89`. is there something i'm missing? firmware files?
<diver> nqvgln: see here https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/19279
<diver> the easiest way is to buy a cheap usb wifi
<nqvgln> diver: oh, interesting. i have been using usb tethering from my phone instead. how hard/easy would it be for haiku to get an equivalent of `linuxkpi`?
<diver> there is no one who is interested in it currently, so not easy
<phschafft> what is linuxkpi?
<nqvgln> phschafft: freebsd kernel compatibility layer for linux drivers
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<Begasus> distutils.errors.DistutilsError: Command '['/bin/python3.10', '-m', 'pip', '--disable-pip-version-check', 'wheel', '--no-deps', '-w', '/tmp/tmpbqj_6k3s', '--quiet', 'numpy<2.1,>=2.0.0rc1']' returned non-zero exit status 1.
<Begasus> numpy to new now? :P
<phschafft> ah
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<Begasus[m]> hi phschafft :)
<phschafft> mau
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<phschafft> all good?
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<Begasus> can't complain, other then kdenlive crashing :)
<Begasus> you?
<phschafft> hm.
<phschafft> so much to do for such a short day today.
<phschafft> but beside that, all good.
<Begasus> heh
<Begasus> well, it isn't crashing all the time :)
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* coolcoder613 is playing with https://github.com/platers/songpong a bit. Using it with https://0x0.st/8rRR.mid
<Begasus> afk for a bit
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<andreasdr[m]> Hi there.
<phschafft> mau
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<nephele_xmpp> Hello
<andreasdr[m]> Arrrrrr
<Begasus> meep
<Begasus> biab
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<Begasus> nephele_xmpp, I'm here :)
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<janking> hello
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<waddlesplash> adrian_: any of the settings in Input preferences help touchpad behavior?
<waddlesplash> if the device shows up there as a mouse and not a touchpad then that may be most of the problem
<waddlesplash> it may be one of the touchpads that we don't fully support the touchpad protocol for then so it just gets used as a mouse
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<adrian_> lemme look
<adrian_> yeah
<adrian_> i need to setup an actual dev env first tho
<adrian_> also we need to have a chat about that wifi SSID list :p
<adrian_> next step is scrolling up and seeing how to update it to the latest snapshot build
<adrian_> then i'll look at the touchpad
<waddlesplash> yeah the SSID list really needs to be fixed
<waddlesplash> but I've never gotten around to it
<waddlesplash> and it works "well enough" so
<waddlesplash> adrian_: dev env is pretty easy on Haiku itself, clone the repo and run ./configure, that's it
<waddlesplash> oh, one file you need to edit if not using the cross tools
<waddlesplash> but otherwise that's all you need
<adrian_> well
<adrian_> let's just say
<adrian_> with a mesh setup
<adrian_> I see my SSID like five hundred odd times
<adrian_> but yes when I clicked and filled out the deets, it just worked, so
<adrian_> ;p
<adrian_> honestly so much nostalgia bringing up haiku
<adrian_> it just worked, installer shenanigans aside
<adrian_> so ty
<waddlesplash> :)
<waddlesplash> anyway the relevant command to switch to nightly is at https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/daily-tasks/updating-system/
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<Skipp_OSX> ok more typeahead filtering bugs darn it
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<Skipp_OSX> can't reproduce... but /system/packages is not a filtered folder is it?
<Skipp_OSX> hold on I see, must be when type-ahead filtering is active....
<Skipp_OSX> ok I see now, it crashed when dragging OUT of the folder... must be using the wrong list
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<Skipp_OSX> you know... I was thinking that fWidgetList removal looked problematic when I was looking at #19300 yeah it is
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<B2IA> (Butler) Welcome to BeShare.agmsmith.ca.
<Skipp_OSX> but ultimately that was just a symptom not the cause of the problem
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<andreasdr[m]> Damn
<andreasdr[m]> How is it going?
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<OscarL> 'lo andreasdr[m]. Fine here (hope you are too!), but lazier than usual :-)
<andreasdr[m]> Its xmas
<andreasdr[m]> Hi there OscarL
<erysdren> heyo everyone
* OscarL waves back
<andreasdr[m]> Hi erysdren
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 2 commits to master [hrev58465] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=3c18c3d5c6b2+%5Ee4420b24ebdb
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] ffed6d0bff57 - Tracker: 100 char style fixes to PoseView
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 3c18c3d5c6b2 - Tracker: Restore IsFiltering() to IsRefFiltering() or IsTypeAheadFiltering()
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