#asahi on 2023-12-04 — irc logs at oftc.irclog.whitequark.org

2023-03-01 05:50 marcan changed the topic of #asahi to: Asahi Linux: porting Linux to Apple Silicon macs | "Does XXX work yet?": https://alx.sh/fs | GitHub: https://alx.sh/g | Wiki: https://alx.sh/w | Topics: #asahi-dev #asahi-re #asahi-gpu #asahi-alt #asahi-stream #asahi-offtopic | Keep things on topic | Logs: https://alx.sh/l/asahi

00:02 holiday has joined #asahi

00:06 kidplayer666 has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]

00:22 jeisom has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

00:44 eroc1990 is now known as Guest9008

00:44 eroc1990 has joined #asahi

00:48 Guest9008 has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

00:55 alka2 has joined #asahi

00:55 alka has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]

00:56 sdomi has joined #asahi

00:58 Dominika has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

01:10 alka2 is now known as ellyq

01:26 holiday has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.1.1]

01:34 Brainium has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]

01:43 eroc1990 is now known as Guest9017

01:43 eroc1990 has joined #asahi

01:46 Guest9017 has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

02:19 holiday has joined #asahi

02:29 holiday has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.1.1]

02:47 CrEddy has joined #asahi

03:00 gabuscus has quit []

03:02 jn has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

03:21 Bogdan513 has joined #asahi

03:30 cow123 has joined #asahi

03:40 cow123 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

03:41 cow123 has joined #asahi

03:56 yuyichao_ has joined #asahi

03:57 gabuscus has joined #asahi

04:01 yuyichao has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

04:03 russelltg has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]

04:05 hays has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

04:10 crabbedhaloablut has joined #asahi

04:25 hays has joined #asahi

04:27 hays has quit []

04:28 hays has joined #asahi

04:29 possiblemeatball has quit [Quit: Quit]

04:40 cow123 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

04:42 cow123 has joined #asahi

04:50 marvin24_ has joined #asahi

04:53 marvin24 has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

05:14 ml| has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

05:24 ml| has joined #asahi

05:31 pthariensflame has joined #asahi

05:37 pthariensflame has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com]

05:38 eroc1990 has quit [Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat]

05:46 eroc1990 has joined #asahi

05:51 cow123 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

05:54 cow123 has joined #asahi

07:44 cow123 has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

08:16 shad3 has joined #asahi

08:26 demax has joined #asahi

08:26 demax has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

08:30 <shad3> Hi everyone, never tried asahi b4, but i was wondering the following: In 2019 bazad developed a debuggable iPhone based on the CoreSight registers that were left enabled on A11. ( Ref: https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/10/ktrw-journey-to-build-debuggable-iphone.html) . Since then, (afaik at least) you cannot access those registers on a normal macOS installation as you would for example on a linux installation (Ref

08:30 <shad3> https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.4/trace/coresight.html). If I install asahi, recompile the kernel with coresight enable "CONFIG_CORESIGHT=y" and load the relevant module would i be able to use those registers ?

09:00 chadmed has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]

09:00 chadmed has joined #asahi

09:04 i509vcb has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]

09:08 baozich has joined #asahi

09:09 ten15723774324 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

09:09 ten15723774324 has joined #asahi

09:15 osaka1990 has joined #asahi

09:22 seeschlo1s has quit [Quit: leaving]

09:37 kidplayer666 has joined #asahi

10:14 malte has joined #asahi

10:34 qyliss has quit [Quit: bye]

10:35 qyliss has joined #asahi

10:42 qyliss has quit [Quit: bye]

10:44 qyliss has joined #asahi

10:58 holiday has joined #asahi

11:16 baozich has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

11:22 <kidplayer666> Uhhhh, the mesa update broke VSCode I think

11:23 <kidplayer666> Because now every icon and letter is white

11:23 <kidplayer666> Which kinda becomes invisible

11:23 <j`ey> one sec

11:23 <j`ey> you need to delete the folders named GPUCache in ~/.config

11:24 <j`ey> find ~ -ipath "*GPUCache*"

11:26 jn has joined #asahi

11:28 mohit815822 has joined #asahi

11:31 Moprius has joined #asahi

11:33 mohit81582 has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

11:44 c10l has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

11:46 Brainium has joined #asahi

11:50 Moprius has quit [Quit: bye]

11:53 ten15723774324 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

11:53 ten15723774324 has joined #asahi

11:54 c10l has joined #asahi

11:54 mohit815822 has quit [Quit: mohit815822]

11:54 mohit815822 has joined #asahi

11:54 <kidplayer666> solved it,

11:54 <kidplayer666> thanks

11:55 <kidplayer666> why did this happen though?

11:55 <j`ey> it's a chromium bug

11:55 <j`ey> it's fixed, but it will take a while to actually get into vscode etc

11:55 <kidplayer666> ah ok

11:55 <j`ey> so you might want to put that into a script to run easily

11:55 <kidplayer666> it was weird, cause it worked fine before the mesa update

11:56 <kidplayer666> will this happen every time i open it?

11:56 <j`ey> no

11:57 <j`ey> but after some mesa updates (and maybe app updates, not 100% sure)

11:57 mohit815822 has quit []

11:59 mohit815822 has joined #asahi

12:04 mohit815822 has quit []

12:15 mohit815822 has joined #asahi

12:16 mohit815822 has quit []

12:17 mohit815822 has joined #asahi

12:21 mohit815822 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

12:21 mohit815822 has joined #asahi

12:21 mohit815822 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

12:22 mohit815822 has joined #asahi

13:24 SalimTerryLi has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

13:30 <kraem> according to https://social.treehouse.systems/@AsahiLinux/111515422125309592 all macbooks (with an hdmi port) got experimental support for hdmi out. the feature matrix for m3 macbook pro says it’s TBA. is the matrix not just updated or isn’t it supported yet for the m3 macbook pros?

13:30 <j`ey> m3 isnt supported at all

13:31 <kraem> ah alright. so i should be browsing for an m1/m2 to buy then :)

13:32 <j`ey> depends how soon you want to buy one, but probably

13:32 <shad3> hi again any update regarding my q ?

13:32 <kraem> thanks j`ey

13:33 <sven> shad3: I think when I tried the coresight registers most of them weren't working

13:34 <sven> i think i could see the PC of other cores but couldn't change anything

13:34 john-cabaj has joined #asahi

13:34 <sven> presumably the registers get disabled on production-fused SoCs

13:35 <shad3> any other cpu counters ?

13:35 <j`ey> there's perf/PMU counters

13:35 <sven> what are you trying to do? there are perf/pmu counters

13:35 johey has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

13:37 <shad3> ah so the PMU counters, do work normally as expected ... interesting

13:37 <j`ey> theyre not the archtiectural counters, it's an apple PMU

13:37 <sven> there's a macos app (instruments maybe? i forgot the name) that uses those PMU counters

13:38 <shad3> Yy instruments uses them

13:38 <sven> and it kinda makes sense that they disabled the coresight stuff since those are low level debug features unfortunately

13:38 <shad3> pmu can be considered low level as well (not as low level as coresight though)

13:38 <shad3> i would expect them to not physically burn the registers on the chip

13:39 <sven> i bet it's the same fuse that disables JTAG/SWD as well

13:40 <shad3> anyway thanks, you answered my question

13:41 <shad3> I do get it that's a bit off topic, but do you by any chance know if there's any documentation out there (knowing apple i highly doubt it) about the Framework/Library that works as a front end to PMU stuff

13:41 <shad3> e.g. how to register a pmi handler etc on macos

13:57 jeisom has joined #asahi

14:13 delsol has joined #asahi

14:18 Brainium has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

14:25 jeisom has quit [Quit: Leaving]

14:27 jeisom has joined #asahi

14:29 SalimTerryLi has joined #asahi

14:35 mohit8158226 has joined #asahi

14:38 holiday has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.1.1]

14:41 holiday has joined #asahi

14:41 mohit815822 has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

14:41 mohit8158226 is now known as mohit815822

15:11 possiblemeatball has joined #asahi

15:24 zalyx has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

15:40 gmuuywom has joined #asahi

15:41 <gmuuywom> Hello! I have taken a look at the supported features of M2 Max Macbook Pro 16" and it appears as though asahi would work well for me. I was just wondering, in its current state, would asahi linux be reliable and safe to put onto my machine? Additionally, if anyone has any comparisons between performance on various usage/tasks that would be much appreciated.

15:42 <gmuuywom> i love linux and so want to put it onto my laptop

15:44 gspbirel56 has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)]

15:45 gspbirel56 has joined #asahi

15:45 <j`ey> gmuuywom: yup should be safe and reliable!

15:47 <j`ey> obviously nothing's perfect...

15:49 <gmuuywom> yeah, i just really yearn for the customizability of linux. my last dell laptop had fedora on it. only had 16gb ram and no dedicated graphics so i figured I'd give a fancy """"""new""""""" architecture a try. love the performance, not the apple XD... so i'd gladly take a minor performance hit for cusotmizability

15:49 deldred has joined #asahi

15:50 deldred is now known as e1dred

15:50 <j`ey> you shouldnt really take a hit

15:51 e1dred has quit []

15:51 <gmuuywom> yeah, i suspect it would only be noticable on like machine learning tasks (which i don't do) and also maybe video editing (which I do do, but i mean not that much)

15:51 deldred has joined #asahi

15:52 deldred has quit []

15:55 <gmuuywom> in the past i've had issues using certain flashdrives with usb c devices when doing linux installs. i think maybe twoish years ago i was putting ubuntu onto a surface go 3 and i forget what exactly happened.... but it was either I had to use a USB A flashdrive with a usb c adapter instead of usb c flashdrive or vice versa because one wouldn't work. any1 here got input on whether it should make a difference putting asahi onto my mac?

15:55 gmuuywom has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]

15:55 <j`ey> gmuuywom: you dont use USB to install asahi

15:58 gmuuywom has joined #asahi

16:00 cow123 has joined #asahi

16:00 mohit815822 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

16:05 gmuuywom has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]

16:05 gmuuywom has joined #asahi

16:06 mohit8158226 has joined #asahi

16:07 <j`ey> gmuuywom: you dont use USB to install asahi

16:14 <j`ey> chadmed: I feel like my m1 has too much "bass", or maybe its not that but.. when Im watching stuff it feels muffled or kinda echoey

16:15 <j`ey> (maybe its just something to get used to, I have had my old laptop for 10 years..)

16:25 mohit8158226 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

16:26 cow123 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

16:30 zalyx has joined #asahi

16:38 cow123 has joined #asahi

16:55 osaka1990 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

16:57 gmuuywom has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]

16:59 gmuuywom has joined #asahi

16:59 cow123 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

17:01 cow123 has joined #asahi

17:01 mohit8158226 has joined #asahi

17:05 gmuuywom has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]

17:08 flom84 has joined #asahi

17:19 <nicolas17> kraem: maybe HDMI will Just Work on M3, or maybe they'll find Apple unexpectedly changed a lot of things, but since we don't have basic CPU support working, nobody has been able to test it yet, hence TBA

17:20 <j`ey> dannyb got m1n1 working on m3!

17:23 <nicolas17> oh yeah I saw some discussion about that, great start :)

17:26 mohit8158226 has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

17:27 delsol_ has joined #asahi

17:31 delsol has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

17:34 gspbirel56 has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

17:45 flom84 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

17:55 <kidplayer666> j`ey: maybe you can solve it by eqing it out? not sure how you'd do it here, but you should be able to dial in the bass to your liking

17:58 <j`ey> yeah I'm unsure too! I'm starting to get used to a bit more anyway

18:11 i509vcb has joined #asahi

18:12 delsol_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

18:13 <kidplayer666> j

18:14 <kidplayer666> j`ey: you should be able to use alsamixer as a command and change it (according to a 5 second search)

18:15 <j`ey> change the eq? I thought that just did volume. I will look into it, ty

18:17 <sven> uh. I think that only works if you setup and configure alsaeq or however that thing was called before

18:34 Moprius has joined #asahi

18:43 gmuuywom has joined #asahi

18:47 gmuuywom has quit []

18:50 <kidplayer666> j`ey: just remembered marcan talked about easy effects

18:50 <kidplayer666> apparently it has a gui interface for eq and all that stuff

18:51 nimprod3l has joined #asahi

18:55 <kidplayer666> just tested it with my bluetooth earphones and it works fine

18:56 <kidplayer666> just bassed that boost

18:57 delsol has joined #asahi

18:59 Moprius has quit [Quit: bye]

18:59 gmuuywom has joined #asahi

19:04 mohit8158226 has joined #asahi

19:05 Brainium has joined #asahi

19:06 gmuuywom has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]

19:13 mohit8158226 has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

19:20 Brainium has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]

19:21 maximbaz4 has joined #asahi

19:21 wille-io1 has joined #asahi

19:21 denysonique3 has joined #asahi

19:21 snuck has joined #asahi

19:22 VasilisTheChu has joined #asahi

19:22 bluetail6 has joined #asahi

19:22 minecrell9 has joined #asahi

19:22 ncopa6 has joined #asahi

19:22 pbsds9 has joined #asahi

19:22 melonai5 has joined #asahi

19:22 tired- has joined #asahi

19:22 fossdd_ has joined #asahi

19:22 le0n_ has joined #asahi

19:22 FLHerne_ has joined #asahi

19:23 larunbe has joined #asahi

19:23 pjakobsson_ has joined #asahi

19:24 hellozee_ has joined #asahi

19:24 jnn has joined #asahi

19:24 lonjil2 has joined #asahi

19:24 gruetze_ has joined #asahi

19:24 V has joined #asahi

19:25 merry_ has joined #asahi

19:25 cy8aer_ has joined #asahi

19:25 erincandescent_ has joined #asahi

19:25 loki_val has joined #asahi

19:25 alka has joined #asahi

19:25 ChaosPri1 has joined #asahi

19:25 roxfan has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

19:25 marvin24 has joined #asahi

19:25 grange_c6887 has joined #asahi

19:25 ChaosPrincess has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

19:25 ellyq has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

19:25 bluetail has quit [Read error: No route to host]

19:25 grange_c6887 is now known as grange_c688

19:25 grange_c688 has quit [Read error: No route to host]

19:25 tobhe has joined #asahi

19:25 wille-io has quit [Read error: No route to host]

19:25 alarumbe has quit [Write error: connection closed]

19:25 FLHerne has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

19:25 sneak has quit [Read error: No route to host]

19:25 V_ has quit [Read error: No route to host]

19:25 bluetail6 is now known as bluetail

19:25 wille-io1 is now known as wille-io

19:25 FLHerne_ is now known as FLHerne

19:25 erincandescent has quit [Read error: No route to host]

19:25 tobhe_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

19:25 cy8aer has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

19:25 kaprests has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

19:25 kaprests has joined #asahi

19:25 ChaosPri1 has quit []

19:25 denysonique has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]

19:25 denysonique3 is now known as denysonique

19:25 jmplans_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

19:25 zeromind has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

19:26 lonjil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]

19:26 tobhe has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 kaprests has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 marvin24 has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 jn has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 marvin24_ has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 crabbedhaloablut has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 minecrell has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 pjakobsson has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 larsjel has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 VasilisT- has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 maximbaz has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 fossdd has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 alexaltea has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 Chinese_soup has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 le0n has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 oi_wtf has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 Shiz has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 tired has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 matrix_ds has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 merry has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 gruetzkopf has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 mixi has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 ncopa has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 gig has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 Yamakaja has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 pbsds has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 melonai has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 hellozee has quit [charon.oftc.net helix.oftc.net]

19:26 maximbaz4 is now known as maximbaz

19:26 alexaltea has joined #asahi

19:27 maximbaz has quit [Killed (reticulum.oftc.net (Nick collision (new)))]

19:27 Yamakaja_ has joined #asahi

19:27 jmplans has joined #asahi

19:27 larsjel_ has joined #asahi

19:27 zeromind has joined #asahi

19:27 minecrell has joined #asahi

19:27 Chinese_soup has joined #asahi

19:27 le0n has joined #asahi

19:27 crabbedhaloablut has joined #asahi

19:27 oi_wtf has joined #asahi

19:27 Shiz has joined #asahi

19:27 tired has joined #asahi

19:27 matrix_ds has joined #asahi

19:27 merry has joined #asahi

19:27 gruetzkopf has joined #asahi

19:27 hellozee has joined #asahi

19:27 mixi has joined #asahi

19:27 marvin24_ has joined #asahi

19:27 jn has joined #asahi

19:27 tobhe has joined #asahi

19:27 grange_c688 has joined #asahi

19:27 pjakobsson has joined #asahi

19:27 larsjel has joined #asahi

19:27 maximbaz has joined #asahi

19:27 VasilisT- has joined #asahi

19:27 ncopa has joined #asahi

19:27 gig has joined #asahi

19:27 Yamakaja has joined #asahi

19:27 melonai has joined #asahi

19:27 pbsds has joined #asahi

19:27 marvin24 has joined #asahi

19:27 kaprests has joined #asahi

19:27 VasilisT- has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

19:27 maximbaz0 has joined #asahi

19:27 maximbaz has quit [Ping timeout: 491 seconds]

19:27 le0n has quit [Ping timeout: 486 seconds]

19:27 merry has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds]

19:27 hellozee has quit [Ping timeout: 491 seconds]

19:27 tired has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds]

19:27 ncopa has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds]

19:27 pbsds has quit [Ping timeout: 486 seconds]

19:27 maximbaz0 is now known as maximbaz

19:28 minecrell has quit [Ping timeout: 483 seconds]

19:28 pjakobsson has quit [Ping timeout: 483 seconds]

19:28 marvin24_ has quit [Ping timeout: 482 seconds]

19:28 jn has quit [Ping timeout: 482 seconds]

19:28 crabbedhaloablut has quit [Ping timeout: 482 seconds]

19:28 larsjel has quit [Ping timeout: 482 seconds]

19:28 gruetzkopf has quit [Ping timeout: 482 seconds]

19:28 Yamakaja has quit [Ping timeout: 487 seconds]

19:28 melonai has quit [Ping timeout: 482 seconds]

19:29 ChaosPrincess has joined #asahi

19:29 delsol has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds]

19:30 cy8aer_ is now known as cy8aer

19:30 nimprod3l has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]

19:31 nimprod3l has joined #asahi

19:41 mohit8158226 has joined #asahi

19:44 minecrell9 has quit []

19:44 minecrell has joined #asahi

19:45 gspbirel56 has joined #asahi

19:47 nimprod3l has quit [Quit: Leaving]

20:02 mohit8158226 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

20:03 mohit8158226 has joined #asahi

20:11 ncopa6 is now known as ncopa

20:12 Brainium has joined #asahi

20:15 <kraem> nicolas17: yeah i saw m3 wasn’t supported at all atm. i was too quick ctrl+f:ing through the support matrix because i was too excited about hdmi being supported (the only blocker buying apple silicon for me) :)

20:17 <j`ey> kraem: note that HDMI is actually HDMI, not display over USB C

20:17 delsol has joined #asahi

20:20 <kraem> yup that much i picked up. having an external monitor is the hard requirement to use it as a laptop for $DAYJOB for me so actual hdmi is enough

20:23 jnn is now known as jn

20:34 ids1024 has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

20:34 ids1024 has joined #asahi

20:40 roxfan has joined #asahi

20:47 <chadmed> j`ey: we need ti play around with the settings for all the plugins still. iirc m arcan just left it at the settings for j314 which are definitely going to be wrong

20:48 <j`ey> chadmed: oh I didnt know they were the same as j314. I'll just see if it gets better at some point then

20:50 <j`ey> (I should also listen to something on macOS)

20:50 <chadmed> we do plan on iterating btw, e.g. we need to do some stuff to bankstown to clean up some intermodulation noise

20:50 <chadmed> but that really was babby's first dsp attempt so probably beyond me now

20:51 <chadmed> might add it as a yak

20:57 mohit8158226 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

20:57 mohit8158226 has joined #asahi

21:01 mohit8158226 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

21:01 mohit8158226 has joined #asahi

21:02 mohit8158226 has quit []

21:03 mohit8158226 has joined #asahi

21:03 pFalken has joined #asahi

21:05 roxfan has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

21:08 <pFalken> my trusty arch m1 froze and is now stuck booting, it gets through grub and then freezes after failing to create device links for rtc_nvmem@d000 (x2) and legacy_nvmem@9f00. Last non error message is: "dcp_poweron() starting". It ends with three "pcie-apple: invalid resource (null)" errors then just sits there. Is there anything i should do not to troubleshoot it further and try

21:08 <pFalken> and rescue it, or do I need to wipe nad reinstall?

21:09 <nicolas17> does macOS work?

21:09 <janneg> pFalken: try booting with nomodeset as kernel parameter

21:10 roxfan has joined #asahi

21:14 gmuuywom has joined #asahi

21:14 <pFalken> aha! all sorts of helpful messages saying i need to manually fsck my asahi-root. I'm in a recovery shell looks like but no keyboard. it says "sh: can't access tty; job control turned off." so that's probably why. could I use m1n1 to get a serial console from another machine or something? or how would i best fsck that sucker? :)

21:15 <nicolas17> "sh: can't access tty; job control turned off." is normal in recovery shells

21:16 <nicolas17> because it's just sh and not a full getty terminal etc

21:16 <pFalken> ah, i found a genuine apple mouse/kbd and plugged that in which gave me working kbd on grub, but doesn't seem to work in the shell. can i fsck from the macos environment?

21:17 <nicolas17> I don't think fsck for Linux filesystems is available on macOS easily

21:17 <j`ey> especially not btrfs, apparently the kernel does the fsck for that?

21:17 <janneg> this is arch so probably no btrfs

21:17 <pFalken> yeah kind of looking like people say to use a linux VM and properly fsck it that way

21:17 <nicolas17> seems weird that you'd have no USB in recovery...

21:17 <pFalken> so i guess that would work, though convoluted. can i use m1n1 to boot some kind of live image?

21:18 <nicolas17> hm you may be able to get uboot or grub to load something from USB storage

21:18 <pFalken> aha! the non-mac kbd that didn't work in grub works in the recovery shell. that should do it!

21:19 <nicolas17> so you do have functional USB... then it's even weirder that the other keyboard didn't work :|

21:19 <janneg> https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Tethered-Boot-Setup-%28For-Developers%29 would give you serial access from another computer

21:20 <pFalken> aha well it was some random el cheapo with built-in USB hub so i figured that was the prob. the apple keyboard does work in grub, this other one is working ont in grub and my filesystme is repaired.. :) i'll make sure i'm not just flailing and that kbd really is misbehaving. here goes!

21:20 cow123_ has joined #asahi

21:20 <janneg> I think the apple keyboard should at least work with hid-generic instead of hid-apple

21:22 cow123 has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

21:22 gmuuywom has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

21:24 cow123_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

21:25 commandoline has quit [Quit: Bye!]

21:26 cow123 has joined #asahi

21:26 <pFalken> janneg: in the m1n1 boot screen i see it detect two USB devices, but there is an error back on one of them (pretty sure that is the non-apple kbd which then doesn't work in the grub countdown). The error is:

21:26 commandoline has joined #asahi

21:26 cow123 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

21:27 cow123 has joined #asahi

21:27 <pFalken> "Failed to get keyboard state from device aaaa:bbbb". Then it goes onto storage devices and boots grub

21:28 <pFalken> both keyboards detect in dmesg with linux running, is there a way i cna grub my way back into that recovery shell to see what the mac keyboard detects as (or not) with a hotplug?

21:30 <nicolas17> I think you can add "init=/bin/bash" to boot the shell alone and not the rest of userspace

21:31 <pFalken> ok i'll see what happens when i do that.. coz that keyboard def works once the full system is booted. it'd be good if the apple hw worked de facto in recovery mode. though i dunno how many people in 2023 have one of these yellowing wired USB mac keyboards around :)

21:31 commandoline has quit []

21:32 commandoline has joined #asahi

21:32 commandoline has quit []

21:32 <janneg> pFalken: in u-boot/grub only a single keyboard will work

21:33 <janneg> in the case both are connected at boot

21:33 commandoline has joined #asahi

21:34 commandoline has quit []

21:35 commandoline has joined #asahi

21:35 cow123 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

21:35 commandoline has quit []

21:36 cow123 has joined #asahi

21:36 commandoline has joined #asahi

21:39 frekko has joined #asahi

21:50 shad3 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

21:53 SalimTer- has joined #asahi

21:57 SalimTerryLi has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]

22:05 delsol has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

22:10 ydalton has joined #asahi

22:13 cow123 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

22:16 <frekko> hej guys, again, thank you so much for asahi linux - it's a blessing! totally understand the collaboration with the upstream distro fedora since there is just much more support than in a fully community driven distro as arch. but with using asahi linux now since almost a year (coming from >10 years of mostly ubuntu) i have become a great fan of it and would like to continue using asahi linux/arch linux arm as my daily driver.. i'm

22:16 <frekko> just wondering what the "lower level of support" mentionend on mastodon actually means? like what kind of delay for the newest features like speaker support and dp does the asahi arch community have to expect compared to fedora? could it be that there is certain things that are not implemented, if there is nobody from the arch community taking care of it? and are there ways to support the arch linux (arm) developers that are working

22:16 <frekko> on implementing asahi somehow? since i've already been supporting asahi linux for a while, i'd also like to support the people contributing to asahi for arch linux.. \o/

22:17 elvishjerricco has joined #asahi

22:19 <ydalton> arch linux arm isn't even associated with arch linux, and the asahi linux project is a full downstream project (no collaboration with arch linux arm maintainers)

22:20 <ydalton> meanwhile the people from fedora are collaborating with the asahi team to try and polish the whole experience

22:20 frekkson has joined #asahi

22:21 <ydalton> right now, the focus is on fedora asahi remix and not really on arch linux arm, for the reason above but also the poor state that arch linux arm is in right now

22:22 <ydalton> from what i know, there's like one guy maintaining the whole distro which is really unfortunate

22:24 <ydalton> frekko: is there any reason you can't use fedora asahi?

22:24 <frekkson> well i really like pacman for example

22:25 <ydalton> i understand you, i really do like pacman and the aur

22:25 <frekkson> yes!!!

22:25 <frekkson> and i actually like community driven projects, too..

22:26 <ydalton> isn't fedora a community project just sponsored by red hat or whatever?

22:28 <ydalton> i could go on a rant on how arch linux won't bother supporting anything except x86_64, and people from other architectures (even 32 bit x86) have to make community based distros from it

22:30 <j`ey> frekkson: tbh I think it will need someone to step up and maintain it, that isnt markan

22:30 <frekkson> yeah, it's funded to gain access to more programs from the community.. :)

22:30 <ydalton> did you hear about how arch linux arm broke kde packaging a few weeks ago?

22:31 <j`ey> frekkson: and the problem is that ALARM is kinda maintained by one person

22:31 <frekkson> so maybe the way to go would be to support ALARM so the workload could be divided on more shoulders?

22:32 <j`ey> Im not sure if that person wants more people to be mainting it, you'd have to ask them I guess

22:32 <frekkson> ydalton: i'm not sure, wasn't it connected to manjaro, too?

22:32 cow123 has joined #asahi

22:33 <frekkson> ydalton: so does it mean arch linux and arch linux arm are not really working together?

22:34 <ydalton> yes, normal arch linux only supports x86_64

22:36 <ydalton> frekkson: https://mastodon.social/@marcan@treehouse.systems/111269259031944524

22:36 <ydalton> it's really sad, but the refusal of those arch linux maintainers is their decision

22:37 <Foxboron> ydalton: what refusal?

22:38 <ydalton> only supporting x86_64, that is, but it is your choice

22:38 <Foxboron> We refuse to support other architectures?

22:39 <psykose> arch 4 hppa wen

22:39 <Foxboron> psykose: what is that :p?

22:39 <ydalton> from what i've seen, arch linux only provides packages for x86_64

22:39 <psykose> hppa is an old architecture

22:39 <psykose> only used by nerds

22:39 <Foxboron> psykose: ohhh, HP stuff

22:39 <ydalton> there are aur packages from different architectures but that's all i can see

22:40 <frekkson> so what has to happen to get arch linux support arm architecture?

22:40 <Foxboron> frekkson: Someone needs to rearchitect the entire release process of Arch

22:40 <unixpoet> people maintaining arch linux arm would also be a good first step

22:40 <frekkson> how can we unite them?

22:41 <psykose> you can't

22:41 <frekkson> xD

22:41 <Foxboron> psykose: well

22:41 <ydalton> you could step up to help maintain it

22:41 <psykose> it's not an easy process :p

22:41 <Foxboron> You can't really do that with ALARM.

22:41 <unixpoet> ydalton: good luck with that, so many people have offered and have been ignored

22:41 <frekkson> and i'm not a developer.. :/

22:42 <ydalton> unixpoet: really?

22:42 <unixpoet> ydalton: go check the alarm forums, lots of people offering to help and they've been ignored

22:43 <ydalton> that's honestly sad

22:43 <unixpoet> (oh and also the forums have been broken for months)

22:43 cow123 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

22:43 cow123 has joined #asahi

22:44 loki_val has quit []

22:45 holiday has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.1.1]

22:46 <ydalton> looks like there's 3 people i can see from looking at the pkgbuilds, but that's still not great

22:47 <ydalton> is there a distrobox image for arch linux arm?

22:54 <frekkson> Yes, there is a Distrobox image for Arch Linux ARM. The Arch Linux ARM website lists the Distrobox package for the aarch64 architecture[1]. Distrobox is a container wrapping layer that allows users to install containerized versions of different Linux distributions, and it supports Arch Linux ARM among other distributions[2][3].

22:54 <frekkson> Citations:

22:54 <frekkson> [1] https://archlinuxarm.org/packages/aarch64/distrobox

22:54 <frekkson> [2] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Distrobox

22:54 <frekkson> [3] https://github.com/89luca89/distrobox

22:54 <frekkson> [4] https://owlhowto.com/run-arch-linux-app-on-linux-mint-with-distrobox/

22:54 <frekkson> [5] https://itsfoss.com/distrobox/

22:58 <ydalton> that first citation just looks like there's a package for distrobox on arch linux arm

22:58 <ydalton> not especifically that there is an image for arch linux arm in the container registry that distrobox pulls from

22:58 <ydalton> frekkson: do you know what distrobox is?

22:58 <Foxboron> They are just citing something from chatgpt/bard

22:59 <j`ey> :|

22:59 <ydalton> i'm guessing the latter

23:00 <frekkson> it was from perplexity.ai

23:01 elvishjerricco has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

23:02 <ydalton> there are a few docker images for archlinuxarm, so may that's a start

23:02 <frekkson> ydalton: i don't know exactly what distrobox is. something like a container system to make containered software integrate like native apps..?

23:03 <j`ey> yup

23:03 <ydalton> basically you can run a debian container on your host that could be running fedora say

23:03 <ydalton> and you have access to apt and all that inside that container, and that container will have access to your home directory

23:05 <frekkson> so you mean i could do the same with ALARM running fedora as a host..?

23:05 <ydalton> yes

23:06 <ydalton> you would get pacman, and all of the aur while having fedora as a host

23:06 <ydalton> frekkson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhW-3PPldAg

23:06 <frekkson> but then i'd also have to boot into fedora nd then start distrobox?

23:07 <ydalton> if you had fedora as the host system, yes

23:10 <frekkson> seems to be a way better workaround then the pacapt script https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYrddCwPORI :) but still some kind of workaround..

23:11 <frekkson> i guess it would be better to get ALARM and arch linux to collaborate..?

23:11 <ydalton> easier said than done

23:12 <ydalton> also, i would not install another system package manager, that will definitely break your system

23:13 <ydalton> wait, this is just some pacman-like frontend to apt

23:14 <nicolas17> if 3 people offer to help the one ALARM maintainer and they get ignored, why don't they get together and make their own :D

23:15 <ydalton> :D

23:15 <frekkson> since i cannot deliver technical support on this issue, i wonder who/which team could be supported to achieve some progress in this..?

23:17 kidplayer666 has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]

23:40 ydalton has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

23:47 frekkson has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

23:47 frekko has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

23:48 frekkson has joined #asahi

23:59 chadmed_ has joined #asahi