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<Namidairo> did j313 regress in regards to sound recently
<Namidairo> not sure how to verify filter chain is applying correctly
<Tramtrist> Hyprland looks interesting
<Tramtrist> pretty slick shiggitay .. seriously lookin good
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<shiggitay> @Tramtrist, yeah it is. I know i3wm/dwm/awesomewm etc can achieve similar results, but Hyprland is the new kid on the DWT block, and it's cool
<shiggitay> (Dynamic Window Tiler)
<shiggitay> I'm curious to see how the M1 GPU does all the effects and stuff that Hyprland uses
<shiggitay> I >>COULD<< install AFR now, but I'll wait a bit longer
<shiggitay> I don't like RPM-based OSes, but AFR is the first Apple Silicon distro to pop up that runs natively, so I'll learn it I guess?
<shiggitay> I'm sorta sad that Arch is gone since the AUR is great and you can compile apps directly for your hardware (Gentoo style), but yeah
<shiggitay> I really hope someone picks up ALARM (OG Asahi) and continues it/maintains it, but I guess AFR is the best we got atm lol
<shiggitay> Oh and also why is this chat network here in iRC and not something like Discord?
<shiggitay> on*
<shiggitay> I don't mind either way, but jw
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<thasti> Does the webcam in asahi work for anyone in the zoom PWA? I'm getting funky colored stripes, even though webcamtest.com works perfectly
<janneg> thasti: can you select a different resolution? It sounds if zoom selects one of the vertical video resolutions and can't handle padding
<thasti> hmm, I don't think there's a resolution setting available in the PWA. however I do see the video image correctly in the "preview" pane shown in the settings dialog (however this preview pane and the actual zoom video pane run in parallel, so I guess they don't use different resolution streams from the camera?)
<janneg> is the video wider than its height?
<thasti> yes, much wider it appears
<thasti> https://imgur.com/a/dVcycZO looks like this (with the appearance of the stripes changing with time)
<janneg> then it's something else
<thasti> tbh i see some similar stripey graphical glitches on other webpages as well (which don't use the webcam at all)
<thasti> e.g. the central weather map on https://www.meteoswiss.admin.ch/#tab=forecast-map is similarly glitchy for me since a long time
<janneg> that's something else probably not even related to the webcam. I assumed it was stripes overlayed in the somewhat recognizeable camera image
<janneg> thasti: are you using fedora or the arch linux arm based distro
<thasti> the alarm-based one
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<thasti> i reported the latter issue a long while ago on the issue tracker, however lina wasn't able to reproduce it at the time and I'm not sure how to start debugging myself
<thasti> it appears the first step for me would be to install the fedora flavor to make sure this is not an already-fixed issue?
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<holiday> i watched a video on youtube for around half an hour last night
<holiday> and my mac got pretty hot
<holiday> around the speakers i think
<holiday> it was not untouchable hot but it was a little concerning, on macOS this never happened even after watching videos for two hours
<ChaosPrincess> on macos video decoding uses a hardware block instead of just cpu cores
<PaulFertser> I wonder what was in "sensors" and what was the real power consumed if it was on battery.
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<holiday> idk if its normal but i thought i should share this
<eiln> thasti: there's no way that came from the webcam, especially not the changing part. likely graphics issue
<holiday> PaulFertser: used around 7-10% of battery but i think it's most likely because of hyprland and all its animations
<eiln> device? are gpu drivers/mesa up to date? alarm updates have been janky for a while
<eiln> holiday: expected, video decoder driver isn't in yet :/. will happen soon
<holiday> eiln: ohh oki just making sure everything is ok
<leio> I guess the confirmation re webcam might be if using the webcam on zoom the other end saw a correct picture
<PaulFertser> holiday: how is compositor involved in power consumption? I'm not following sorry.
<j`ey> more GPU usage, more power
<holiday> PaulFertser: it has many animations that run even when nothing is happening on screen, like rgb frames on windows
<j`ey> >_<
<thasti> eiln: thanks for checking in. all up-to-date here, but ofc the asahi-alarm pkgs didn't get any updates for ~2 months by now
<PaulFertser> holiday: getting ready for the holidays eh?
<PaulFertser> Need to get used to blinking lights etc
<ChaosPrincess> also, not sure if this is a safari-only trick, but macos can power down the gpu entirely when watching videos and do the compositing on DCP only
<ChaosPrincess> we do not support that yet either
<thasti> this is an M2 air
<holiday> PaulFertser: haha trying to spend my days here like everyday is a holiday
<PaulFertser> Don't you get reasonably accurate power or voltage and current from the battery controller there?
<eiln> ChaosPrincess: so it powers agx down when it's full-screen video decoding?
<eiln> I don't think avd's the fastest decoder in the world, 4K H.264 P/B frame takes about 7 python read32's over proxy without delay, however long that is
<eiln> but it really doesn't break a sweat. I've ran hour-long 4K test vectors and you couldn't even tell
<ChaosPrincess> more like going to lowest power state if the video plane is the only thing that is changing on the screen
<ChaosPrincess> don't even need to be fullscreen
<eiln> neat trick
<PaulFertser> Does the GPU have some internal governor switching "P-states" based on activity probably? Then it doesn't need to be video even, just lack of "3D operations" for a while? But it keeps all the context etc, so from userspace PoV it's not visible at all?
<ChaosPrincess> the point is that the compositor is not issuing any gpu commands and only relies on display output parts to put the video frames where they belong
<PaulFertser> Or if you have explicit control over it, that would be an easy to write a wrapper for "mpv" to cool it down?
<eiln> thasti: I'm not the graphics guy, so I can't say much more, but please try installing fedora if you can. if it still repro's there it'll very likely get resolved
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<thasti> will do. thanks :)
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<aph_> Hi, everyone. Quick question re perf counters. What's the status?
<aph_> I'm running fedora 6.5.11-407.asahi.fc39.aarch64+16k
<aph_> perf stat ls gives
<aph_> <not counted> cycles:u (0.00%)
<aph_> <not counted> instructions:u (0.00%)
<aph_> <not supported> branches:u
<aph_> <not supported> branch-misses:u
<j`ey> there was a bug in perf, that might be that
<aph_> j`ey, mmm thx. I'll see if there's an update pkg
<aph_> j`ey, yeah, that looks like it, and I was sure it used to work. Thought I was going mad... :-)
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<as400> chadmed:yt by any chance ?
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<chadmed> as400: literally just came to this machine, good timing :p
<as400> heeh - nice !
<ydalton> hi, i was updating when my laptop's battery died. luckily i didn't end up with an unbootable system, but i can't see the latest kernel. i'm stuck on 6.6.3-408 when i see i was updating to 6.6.3-410
<ydalton> is the latest kernel withheld until later? because that's the kernel version i expect when my speakers are enabled
<as400> So I'm noticing one thing with EAS and schedutil enabled - laptop seems to get hotter compared to when using ondemand. Is this possible ?
<as400> Or am I overreacting ?
<chadmed> it really shouldnt. both my laptops are room temp unless im pummelling them with compiles or 4K youtube
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<as400> then maybe it's just me using stupid teams and outlook in browser.
<as400> these things are cursed
<chadmed> ah yeah... thatd do it
<chadmed> teams has gotten better this year but outlook is just fucked
<chadmed> i switched back to the office 2019 version at work because it just works a billion times better. the electron app and web client are both still missing core functionality
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<as400> heh - funny, for me it's the other way around. Outlook is kind of ok via chromium but when using teams it hangs chromium. Have to use teams-for-linux electron app.
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<ydalton> okay, did a full reinstall of the kernel related packages, rebooted, and i have speakers!
<ydalton> thank you asahi team!
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<Nefsen402> Not enough people are talking about how good the speakers are on asahi. It's my copium for still needing to wait
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<chadmed> Nefsen402: i dont think its copium, i think theyre just good :)
<chadmed> i might be a bit biased though :p
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<j`ey> chadmed: they got the copium cos its not enabled for them yet ;)
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<chadmed> ah yes, i misread :)
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<kidplayer666> Nefsen402: what mac do you have?
<Nefsen402> j416
<Nefsen402> according to marcem apple screwed up the safety model for this model too
<Nefsen402> I guess I shouldn't push the speakers on this laptop running macos!
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<leio> fortunately I get away with evolution-ews for WorkMail so far
<as400> leio: is it Thunderbird plugin ?
<PaulFertser> Can't "ms exchange" servers just have IMAP4 enabled? IIRC it's just a checkbox a way.
<as400> PaulFertser; they can but what are you going to do when admin has disabled it ?
<sven> $work wants me to use teams and outlook, $work also pays me for that daily suffering
<PaulFertser> as400: I would talk to admin of course
<as400> sven: right, same here. But we should have some boundaries as people and employees :)
<sven> Im not gonna switch jobs over having to use outlook/teams :D
<as400> PaulFertser: yeah, I would if it made any sense.
<Nefsen402> it sounds like you guys can at least use linux
<Nefsen402> that's a win in a lot of people's books
<sven> nah, my work machine is a windows laptop which I use for outlook, teams and a ssh client to a Linux server to actually work
<as400> I have a mac as $work laptop :)
* PaulFertser is not sure if he would be mentally capable of working in such a hostile place... One of my biggest fears is to be forced doing bullshit to survive.
<sven> I could get a Linux machine but then I couldn’t complain to support when something breaks and wait a few days without any work until they fix it ;)
<as400> But I work on my private mac running asahi
<Nefsen402> My $work is pretty good, they let me run anything. I tried doing work on asahi till I found out microphones don't work and teleconfrencing is pretty important now adays
<as400> well, I use bluetooth headset for conferencing
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<PaulFertser> At $work admins gave me a bottle of wine for birthday, probably because I never bothered them with nonsense and when I was facing any issues I was investigating enough for their work to be straightforward.
<leio> as400: evolution
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<ydalton> PaulFertser: curiously j416 speakers have not been enabled in the latest commit to the fedora kernel https://copr-dist-git.fedorainfracloud.org/cgit/@asahi/kernel/kernel.git/commit/?id=580452a5230bd6fc4881897eb9f7b3a792e5128e
<ydalton> even though on the github it has
<ydalton> oh, it hasn't my mistake, the commit message is incorrect then
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<ydalton> commit message says j416 speakers are enabled but they are seemingly not https://github.com/AsahiLinux/linux/commit/6a24102c06c95951ab992e2d41336cc6d4bfdf23
<Nefsen402> honestly, I'd probably boot up asahi, play something through the speakers then say "cool" and shut it back down
<handlerug> can I disable speakers?
<j`ey> you can mute them
<j`ey> you could stop speakersafetyd
<ydalton> i'm guessing in `pavucontrol you can just disable them`
<eiln> blacklist module
<handlerug> there is a separate module for speakers?
<ydalton> configuration -> built-in audio -> set it to off
<j`ey> yeah could blacklist: snd-soc-macaudio
<j`ey> handlerug: any reason you want to do it?
<Nefsen402> I'm gonna actually try installing the newest asahi, reading the kernel everything routes back to j316 so if it's enabled there it should be enabled for me
<handlerug> j`ey: not really, I have them muted on macOS, it's just that I trust macOS to retain the mute state more than the Linux audio stack. if there's no easy way to hide the speakers from user space, no problem
<handlerug> would blacklisting snd-soc-macaudio disable the headphone jack?
<ydalton> don't think so, it's handled by something else
<j`ey> ydalton: as Nefsen402 said, j416 fallsback to j316
<j`ey> ydalton: compatible = "apple,j416-macaudio", "apple,j316-macaudio", "apple,macaudio";
<ydalton> oh
<ydalton> my mistake then
<Nefsen402> just got it intsalled booting up. Fingers crossed
<Nefsen402> "Macbook Pro j416 Speakers"
<ydalton> that fast?
<ydalton> Nefsen402: well looks like they work! congrats!
<Nefsen402> it works
<ydalton> the wiki page needs to be updated, but now there's more models supported there aren't
<Nefsen402> hold on, chromium is doing that stupid "The profile appears to be in use by another process"
<Nefsen402> and chromium is the only browser widevine is working
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<ydalton> can it just say "Add models, with the exception of the Mac Pro, etc..."
<j`ey> Nefsen402: widevine should work in ff too
<Nefsen402> it shows up as an extension but no dice
<Nefsen402> I tried running the script a couple times
<j`ey> (there was an update that broke things, but I think that was fixed&released)
<Nefsen402> only chromium works
<sofakng> hey guys ... I see that Mesa has a wrap driver. Does this provide an alternate OpenGL implementation that I can use on macOS?
<Nefsen402> yeah, ran the script once more and firefox is having none of it
<ydalton> sofakng: wrap driver?
<j`ey> sofakng: that's just for developemtn, not for end users
<sofakng> ahh, ok... thanks
<ydalton> sofakng: oh, i knew mesa did have an opengl implementation for macOS but i thought it was only for testing
<sofakng> macOS has terrible implementation of opengl and was hoping for alternative... (for the eduke32 engine specifically)
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<ydalton> sofakng: you could try it on asahi?
<sofakng> thats what i was going to do (and still might) but i have an m3 max and i'm not sure of the support?
<sofakng> the website shows 'TBA' for all features iirc
<ydalton> m3 is not supported yet
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<ydalton> you might have to wait a couple of months sadly
<sofakng> ok no problem... thanks a bunch for the information though!
<ydalton> no problem
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<Nefsen402> Ok, I listened for a while, the speakers really do sound supurb, especially in the vocal range. I feel like macos has better base extension but that's probably because a bunch of phychoacoustic shinanigans
<Nefsen402> When stopping and starting auto a loud pop does occur
<Nefsen402> speakers don't like samples being cut off mid-wave
<j`ey> that's known about, needs pipewire changes
<Nefsen402> speakers don't work once easyeffects starts so I can't test out any alternate eqs
<Nefsen402> helvum says everything is hooked up
<novaandromeda> are you sure you're using the right output device in easyeffects
<Nefsen402> yep
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<Nefsen402> snares are a little bit too loud. Would love to scoop those out a bit
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<ydalton> hi, i got a kernel warning in my dmesg relating to the speakers: https://termbin.com/43gy
<j`ey> right after a udelay(5)..
<j`ey> was changed to 5 from 2 recentlt
<ydalton> which line?
<j`ey> sound/soc/apple/mca.c:222
<j`ey> 3b2ae5b3bbcd8dda2ee83d7beb47e2dccfa68cfb
<j`ey> marcan: ^
<ydalton> guess we need more delay then lol
<ydalton> i also got more lines like
<j`ey> j413 right?
<ydalton> yes
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<sahin> i have macbook pro m2 pro (14 inch, 2023) and i just realized speakers work!!
<sahin> how??!
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<sahin> in wiki it says TBA so it is not supposed to work if i understand correctly
<sahin> anyways, thank you asahi team. you are the beast!!
<opticron> I think it's being enabled on Fedora because they can guarantee that the patched lsp-plugins is in place
<sahin> wish i switched to fedora sooner. i was on arch waiting for more features to be supported for months. yesterday i switched to fedora for the hdmi support
<sahin> and speakers started to work as bonus :D
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<ah-> wow speakers sound absolutely amazing on j316!
<leio> If speakers will work amazing on j475, then THAT will be true dark magic
<ChaosPrincess> thats what, the cheesegrater?
<j`ey> nah, studio
<j`ey> cheese is j180
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