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<shiggitay>
Hey all
<shiggitay>
so I'd like to play with Asahi Fedora Remix on my M1 Pro MacBook Pro 14" but I run Wayland and the compositor/WM Hyprland here on my Arch based system... Does all that work on Asahi Fedora Remix?
<shiggitay>
Hyprland/XDG-Desktop-Portal, Pipewire and Wireplumber in particular
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<shiggitay>
it's been a minute since I've used iRC... this is nostalgic haha
<psykose>
don't see why it wouldn't work
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<psykose>
you'd probably need some copr for hyprland but the rest exists
<shiggitay>
I've never used Fedora at length.. .I've only used Ubuntu back in the day, then Gentoo/Funtoo, then Void, and now Arch
<shiggitay>
oh cool
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<shiggitay>
okay so theoretically I should be able to install AFR (Asahi Fedora Remix) on my MBP (minimal base system) and then add in the repo and install hyprland et co from there?
<shiggitay>
What Fedora version is AFR based on?
<shiggitay>
(total noob here )
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<psykose>
probably 39
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<psykose>
i don't actually know
<shiggitay>
okay
<shiggitay>
I might try it out when I have a day off... I mean I'm home now but I don't feel like messing with it rn lol
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<shiggitay>
...is there Fedora for Raspberry Pi 4 (Aarch64) ?
<nicolas17>
shiggitay: wayland works much better than X on Asahi
<shiggitay>
aesome
<shiggitay>
awesome even
<shiggitay>
Has anyone here tried running Fedora on an RPi4?
<psykose>
there is, you just use regular fedora on it
<shiggitay>
and would Hyprland run there?
<shiggitay>
I tried running Endeavour OS ARM on my RPi 4 with Hyprland on top but it was DOG SLOW
<psykose>
that's probably because the rpi4 is dog slow at graphical stuff
<shiggitay>
yeah
<psykose>
other distros won't be much better
<shiggitay>
I'd have better luck with an RPi5 right?
<shiggitay>
yeah RPi OS would be the only one that'd run well enough
<psykose>
for headless rpi5 is fantastic, idk if they improved much on the gpu front
<shiggitay>
it's apparently faster?
<psykose>
i've never used an rpi for displaying things so i can't actually speak to it :D
<shiggitay>
fair haha
<shiggitay>
I work at my local Microcenter where we sell RPi5's but employees aren't allowed to get them rn.. it's sort of aggravating.
<psykose>
soon hopefully :)
<psykose>
the only alternatives i can think of is the rk3588 socs but those all have really scuffed downstream kernels for now
<shiggitay>
ick
<shiggitay>
and sorry for going OT lol
<psykose>
technically they're better since they have 4xA55 cores too on top, but..
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<shiggitay>
But yeah I'mma just idle in here for now since I finally set up multiple workspaces properly haha
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<ydalton>
minecraft 1.7.10 with optifine and shaders runs at 30fps!
<ydalton>
(at least on my hardware)
<j`ey>
how fast is it normally?
<ydalton>
without shaders?
<j`ey>
yeah
<zerdox>
on latest mc i get around 250 without shaders with some mod which reworks rendering, optimizing mod, do not remember the name
<j`ey>
250 fps sounds playable :P
<ydalton>
how? i always hang around 60fps which i suspect it's wayland doing its thing
<kidplayer666>
j`ey: by rainbow six siege standards it is absolutely unplayable
<kidplayer666>
utterly unaceptable ( reference to Gamers Nexus benchmarking CPU's on rainbowsixsiege)
<zerdox>
ydalton: without optimizing mod i get only around 30 so it's the mod thing
<j`ey>
hah
<ydalton>
bruh
<zerdox>
idk why but without mod game is not playable
<zerdox>
this is must have mod, very popular one. like optifine for forge
<zerdox>
oh and yes i use fabric
<ydalton>
even when i go with render distance the furthest, it's still 60fps
<ydalton>
zerdox: haven't heard of fabric
<zerdox>
imagin having 30fps on forge without optifine and 250fps with optifine, lol
<zerdox>
its a better and newer mod loader
<zerdox>
all new mods are tend to support fabric only as it's a new standand
<ydalton>
oh
<zerdox>
is it seems like a fps lock for you? is it 60fps stable? like you dont ever see it dropping to 59? if yes, that's strange, double check your settings
<ydalton>
forge isn't a thing anymore?
<ydalton>
zerdox: it drops sometimes to 59 or 58
<zerdox>
i can't really help you with 1.7.10 and forge as its an outdated thing for me
<ydalton>
i haven't started using mods
<zerdox>
so i think you not really missing out with fps lock to 60 if it sometime drops to 59
<zerdox>
what's stopping you from using latest mc and fabric? try it out;) i am playing with pure wayland, without xwayland on my system
<ydalton>
i'm using prism launcher, how can you run java pure wayland?
<ydalton>
the modern minecraft versions are way too weird for me
<zerdox>
i am also using prism laucher
<ydalton>
it's almost like i'm playing a completely different game, and i don't really like it anyway
<zerdox>
afaik you can use older mc version with fabric, but not sure about mods support. use modrinth to check versions
<zerdox>
what's wrong with java on wayland? the only thing i had to do is to patch glfw
<zerdox>
but its because of mc, not java
<ydalton>
glfw? don't you mean lwjgl
<ydalton>
?
<zerdox>
github.com/Admicos/minecraft-wayland/issues/54 take a look at the repo and my comment on the issue. i use it like this
<kidplayer666>
question, how do i run a .jar file
<ydalton>
i see it, but i'm too lazy for that
<kidplayer666>
i made it executable but kde doesnt show me the execute version
<ydalton>
it runs 60fps, i'm happy
<ydalton>
kidplayer666: just run `java -jar foo.jar``
<kidplayer666>
how did you run minecraft
<kidplayer666>
the official laucher works, or third party
<zerdox>
we both use prism laucher
<zerdox>
never tried official laucher as i don't have a license
<kidplayer666>
me neither
<kidplayer666>
but prism keeps asking for licence
<kidplayer666>
how did you do it
<kidplayer666>
cracked prism is not ready for arm
<zerdox>
you don't need to crack it. there is a way to create offline account. you can find it online
<kidplayer666>
ah crap
<kidplayer666>
because the offline account asks me before for an online one with a licence
<j`ey>
please dont discuss any kinda cracking on any asahi channels
<zerdox>
find my matrix on zerdox.dev and dm me
<zerdox>
yeah sorry
<ydalton>
i think the official launcher is a native executable
<ydalton>
which means it's not an option unless they provide aarch64 builds
<ydalton>
i use prismlauncher cuz that's my only option if i want to play minecraft on this lol
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<kidplayer666>
sorry, i will not discuss it
<ydalton>
i guessing the latest mesa bugfixes are in preparation for the big day
<kidplayer666>
yes
<kidplayer666>
hopefully the big release is here soon
<ydalton>
maybe a christmas present :D
<zerdox>
the only thing i am missing is wayland support from intellij :D
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<ydalton>
cuz you have no xwayland
<zerdox>
yeah because i don't want to install it. everything except intellij ui works for me, and I don't really miss their IDEs as i use neovim. just would like to play with android studio some time
<ydalton>
that's living life on hard mode
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<zerdox>
is it neovim or pure wayland for you? :) i enjoy both, haha
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<ydalton>
i use neovim with no plugins, but only for small editing and stuff
<ydalton>
pure wayland is insanity
<ydalton>
would love to do that but i still need to run x11 apps
<j`ey>
Im also on pure wayland
<j`ey>
until I find something that needs X11, but it hasnt happened so fr
<j`ey>
far
<ydalton>
musescore can do pure wayland but the flatpak refuses to do so
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<millenialhacker>
QQ: How much has improved the energy/power management since 6.3 ?
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<j`ey>
I can't think of any major changes recently
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<marcan>
EAS at least
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<kidplayer666>
Quick question, I get why flatpaks include a lot of libraries themselves, but why the hell do they include mesa instead of using the system one?
<j`ey>
presumably for the same reason they include everything else
<novaandromeda>
kidplayer666: because it has to include the library itself because the other libraries are included. it also helps for if you're using a non gnulibc-system (i.e. musl-based) where there are actual incompatibilities with binaries
<novaandromeda>
including the libraries also allows them to target a specific environment instead of trying to test for multiple environments using different system-provided mesas
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<kidplayer666>
But it does mean that unless asahi mesa is completely upstreamed, that the flatpak experience will at best be subpar and at worst unusable
<j`ey>
there's an option, which hopefully will happen, to add a flatpak asahi overlay
<j`ey>
(i mean, it's done, but not packaged anywhere etc(
<PaulFertser>
flatpak experience is not meant to be good in any case. If software is not packaged for your favourite distro it usually means either something is wrong with the software or with the distro, or you should try helping and becoming the distro maintainer.
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<novaandromeda>
theres many other reasons something might not be packaged for the distro... one example is as i mentioned above a musl-based distro such as chimera linux doesnt have support for proprietary programs outside of containers because of actual software incompatibilities
<PaulFertser>
Proprietary programs are by definition problematic and not supposed to be good for you.
<novaandromeda>
while this may be true and i agree with you, unfortunately some people rely on them on the daily
<as400>
I'm currently experiencing flatpak on Droidian.I have currently 4 versions of mesa installed. Even though I just installed only few apps.
<as400>
I can't imagine how can flatpak help Linux ecosystem.
<kidplayer666>
And it’s not like having a universal packaging format is bad, it means that devs can actually do what they want to do, which is to develop stuff, instead of maintaining a bajillion formats
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<as400>
Oh, yeah flatpak allows devs to completely what they want. Including making a trash can out of your OS.
<as400>
What a paranoia.
<as400>
*do
<as400>
Why does flatpak does not remove runtimes when you uninstall apps and runtimes are not needed ?
<as400>
oh maaaaan
<novaandromeda>
i believe it does
<j`ey>
at least the tash can is meant to be contained
<as400>
j'ey: containerized :)
<j`ey>
hehe
<as400>
BUT - two days ago I tried krunvm by slp. What a fantastic, simple and working piece of software. Really.
<as400>
And I was not running steam
<as400>
needed it for other reasons
<as400>
I was expecting similar experience like docker/podman - creating 10 bridges, messing with your routing table, adding firewall rules...
<as400>
Nothing like this happened - clean, easy and efficient. What a great and refreshing change.
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<zerdox>
i don't use flatpack :)
<as400>
zerdox: congrats :)
<zerdox>
oh my client missed a few messages, lol. still had not configured a balancer for this
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<as400>
j`ey: maybe stupid question - is EAS enabled on recent kernels ?
<j`ey>
yeah
<as400>
hmmm - does it need certain cpu governor to work ? Like schedutil or something ?
<as400>
Or let me rephrase the question. Does it only work with schedutil ?
<j`ey>
should be there for: t8103 t8112 t600x t602x
<j`ey>
thing thats everything actually heh
<j`ey>
not sure about that 2nd q
<j`ey>
'Using EAS with any other governor than schedutil is not supported.
<as400>
seen that - but you know, how to enable the thing and all
<as400>
j'ey: anything else needs to be done for EAS to work properly ? Asking because made some changes to my system and now I'm wondering whether I didn't break something.
<as400>
already changed governor to schedutil
<j`ey>
no I think its meant to Just Work
<as400>
ok, great to have you here as a good source of truth :) thx :)
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<chadmed>
as400: you dont need to do anything for EAS. it is automatic when you use the schedutil governor
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<millenialhacker>
interesting... I got GPU running on Gentoo. But somehow after reboot plasma doesn't start right away
<millenialhacker>
however if I log-in in the tty and run startplasma-wayland it works fine
<millenialhacker>
it seems the XDM/GDM/SDDM is failing somehow
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<as400>
chadmed: thx ! I'm just trying to understand this thing. Were you working on an energy model ?
<as400>
I understand you have to pass this EM to the kernel so it can use it. Am i wrong ?
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<chadmed>
as400: you dont have to pass the whole EM, the kernel computes that
<chadmed>
all we tell the kernel is how much power each core uses at a certain pstate
<chadmed>
the kernel uses that information as well as the capacity information to optimise for joules per instruction
<as400>
chadmed: ok, so it is passed in dt, right ? In opp states ?
<chadmed>
yep
<chadmed>
the property is called opp-microwatt
<j`ey>
it's these opp-micrwatt thingies
<as400>
omg ! How did you get it
<as400>
?
<as400>
trials and tribulations ?
<chadmed>
yeah pretty much :p
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<as400>
That certainly illustrates the amount of work that goes into making these machines to work as they should.
<as400>
Thx man !
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<as400>
One of these days you all get these machines to a state where there will be no better "linux laptop" to buy than a mac
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<kidplayer666>
wont take long hopefullly :P
<bluetail>
I don't like the promise of embedded systems. Do we long-term get rid of desktops?
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<kidplayer666>
i wish we wouldnt
<kidplayer666>
i wish if anything that laptops got more modular and repairable instead of less
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<chadmed>
as400: imo we are basically there already, even if just from the perspective that every pc laptop just utterly fails in one respect or another
<chadmed>
good kb, good screen, good trackpad. you get to pick one or two of these at best