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<skirst>
hello, and please excuse my ignorance, but are there any plans to update the gcc version on haiku? at least for 64-bit?
<waddlesplash>
yes, at some point
<waddlesplash>
why, do you need gcc 10-11 features?
<skirst>
no big issue, just hit a bump in a project i'm working on, and 8.3.0 is failing on some perfectly valid c++11 code
<waddlesplash>
I thought gcc8 supports all of c++11?
<skirst>
me too
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<skirst>
i'm sure i can find a work around. just sucks because it's good code and it compiles on everything else
<skirst>
everything else being latest clang, gcc on ubuntu linux, and clang/cl on windows
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<skirst>
it's not even a mess of template code either which baffles me. it's just trying to use an intializer list to construct an std::vector. maybe i should put the pipe down. lol
<x512[m]>
skirst: You can use clang, HaikuPorts version is based on LLVM 12.
<skirst>
x512[m], doesn't it still rely on the gcc 8.3.0 c++ headers though?
<skirst>
i tried that and failed :(
<skirst>
it's also a Qt5 project, so there's that...
<skirst>
but none of the code in question has anything to do with Qt
<x512[m]>
Replacing headers should be possible, but not trivial. Maybe newer libstdc++.so is needed that is a part of GCC source code.
<skirst>
i miss sudo lol
<x512[m]>
There are no sudo in Haiku, only su.
<x512[m]>
And default user has root privileges.
<skirst>
christ on a bike. thanks, x512[m]
<x512[m]>
I made Users GUI utility that allows to manage users. But alternative user GUI sessions are not supported for now, it mostly work for ssh and running programs with su. https://github.com/X547/HaikuUtils/tree/master/Users
<skirst>
i will be checking that out before my head hits a pillow, for sure
<skirst>
just to throgh in, even though i'm using newer compilers on other platforms, they are all with -std=c++11
<julicenri>
Should multi-user in the GUI arrive, perhaps installing and removing packages from HaikuDepot shouldn't require a password but installing from local packages should.
<julicenri>
At least, except for nightlies.
<nephele[m]>
why would remove packages be any more trusted than local ones...?
<nephele[m]>
honestly, I'm already annoyed that Ubuntu asks a password for random stuff, I don't think we should copy this...
<x512[m]>
Password may be not, but some confirmation dialog may be needed for performing action with administrative privileges.
<julicenri>
An option could be provided to turn off asking passwords for local packages outside of nightly buildss.
<julicenri>
*builds.
<x512[m]>
HaikuPorts is not very trusted source for now.
<julicenri>
That option would be turned on by default only on nightly builds, to prevent it from hindering development.
<julicenri>
At least there is some reviewal for recipes in HaikuPorts X512.
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<julicenri>
For other repos, it will be up to the user to determine if they are to be trusted.
<julicenri>
While on the topic of package management permissions, should there be any packages that a user cannot remove to prevent system breakage?
<julicenri>
Again, perhaps except for nightlies.
<x512[m]>
Dependencies of Haiku base package? It currently attempts to delete everything if uninstall of haiku base package is requested. I didn't check that it will actually delete everything.
<nephele[m]>
x512: personal data is much more important than which state of programms is active imo
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<nephele[m]>
I don't see why installing packages to ~/config/ needs administrative purposes, it only makes it more annoying for the user for no reason... linux and windows are stuffed full of random popups asking for permissions, users dont care and click accept on everything
<nephele[m]>
juliencri: I don't see any advantage to asking a password for local packages... you would make installing an older state harder for no reason for example
<julicenri>
Outside of development, local packages aren't usually reviewed unlike those from HaikuPorts.
<julicenri>
I do agree with limiting the scenarios where passwords should be asked.
<nephele[m]>
....?
<nephele[m]>
What do you mean with "usually reviewed"?
<julicenri>
However, I'm not completely comfortable with a multi-user system where the user by default is essentially root.
<nephele[m]>
There is nobody who is checking the source of all packages on haikuports
<julicenri>
It makes sense if a system is mainly single-user in the GUI (like current Haiku), but not if multi-user in the GUI is introduced later on.
<nephele[m]>
I certainly like package management, but random restrictions on local packages is certainly a reason not to use it, you'd just use zips again if the system refuses to mount an image for you on the grounds that "its a local file"
<nephele[m]>
single user gui also makes sense to have privilige and user seperation... the printer spool driver should not be able to write in most directories for example, currently it can
<julicenri>
I think it is possible to strike a balance between full-bore hypersecurity and no-holds-barred systems.
<nephele[m]>
Ideally I think we should get closer to Win or maybe Mac, in the sense that root does technically exist, but is not really obtainable, in that everything runs in it's own privilige domain, and there is no reason or way to ever need to use the "all priviliges" domain at all
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<nephele[m]>
that includes not having random restrictions like "you can only install packages if you have root"
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<nephele[m]>
or only mount nfs shares as root... or mount drives in general, etc :)
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<julicenri>
If fine with that, as long as the packages come from repos.
<julicenri>
You forgot asking for root password when adding a printer.
<nephele[m]>
Why?
<julicenri>
Some Linux distros do that.
<julicenri>
lol
<nephele[m]>
ugh, don't remind me of printers
<julicenri>
PRINTER OUT OF CYAN
<nephele[m]>
on haiku my printer "just worked" (after i selected it in an endless list of models... improvemetns!) but on Ubuntu I first had to figure out that they don't ship gutenprint, for no reason... and after I installed it i figured out that it is impossible to remove network advertized printers from the printer list, including the ones it advertizes itself :(
<nephele[m]>
So If i want to have my /local/ usb printer advertized i now have it twice in my list .-.
<julicenri>
Does Haiku use CUPS?
<nephele[m]>
No
<skirst>
mine just blinks at me and goes back to sleep :D
<nephele[m]>
We don't really need CUPS, we can print with gutenprint... what we need is mDNS and mDNSresponder or somethign similar to implement zeroconf/bonjour for network printers
<skirst>
i have a wifi configured HP laserjet p1102w and can't for the life of me figure out why my test page fails. printer blinks at me and then just quits
<nephele[m]>
ipp printing is hard to configure without autoconfig :(, but if it blinks it sounds like it atleast understood it was ment
<skirst>
i tried pretty much everything, PCL5 setting got me at least blinking lights :)
<nephele[m]>
win8linux: some printers do indeed print with cyan with black for black and white for.... i dont know what reason :)
<win8linux[m]>
>:(
<skirst>
so you buy more ink. lol
<julicenri>
Might as well just get a new printer instead.
<skirst>
what i did in the late 90's early 2000's. out of ink? bin it. get a new one
<nephele[m]>
I got a new(old) printer for the damn "online" school stuff from a relative, and the day i got it online classes stopped and normal ones resumed :D
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<hean8209>
Hey guys, is there any easy way to only compile app server, get a binary and "insert" it into my system to test a bug fix? Im having trouble compiling the entire haiku source (Used to the linux way, ./configure && make && make install) I already tried instructions for building, instructions from the forums and simply cant get it to build sucessfully
<PulkoMandy>
we don't use make, so that "linux way" won't work
<PulkoMandy>
you may be able to build just the system package (jam -q haiku.hpkg) and install the resulting package in an existing partition, but if your build isn't working, I'm not sure this will help
<hean8209>
Ill try anything at this point, thanks
<hean8209>
Hmm, undefined references.. so thats why it didnt work
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<nephele[m]>
hean8209: depending on what the bug fix is you might also try to use test_app_server
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<Anarchos>
how to compile vim with +python or +python3 ?
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<Coldfirex>
x512: Your users and services applications
<Coldfirex>
*look very handy. Wish they or something like them were in the distribution
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<HaikuUser2>
if I want to add something to the $PATH permanently what do I edit? where is that file?
<jadedctrl>
HaikuUser2: you could add a line like "export PATH="$PATH:…etc" to ~/config/settings/profile
<HaikuUser2>
I take it that file doesn't exist by default?
<jadedctrl>
you might have to create it, yea
<HaikuUser2>
thanks
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<Skipp_OSX>
all you gotta do is copy the Color Pickers folder to add-ons/ and run the client app and that should install the type and add the pickers as supported apps
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<jadedctrl>
Skipp_OSX: works on my box, they look nice c:
<roiredX>
bye all
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<Anarchos>
ok i got the window "example app" with triangle red, square green, circle blue
<Skipp_OSX>
ok but is the drop down filled out?
<Anarchos>
Skipp_OSX which drop down ?
<Skipp_OSX>
at the top it says "Default"
<Anarchos>
Skipp_OSX yes
<Skipp_OSX>
when you click default do you see other options drop down or just "Default"?
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<Skipp_OSX>
if no, did you copy the Color Pickers folder to add-ons/ ?
<Anarchos>
Skipp_OSX no. my folder is : ~/config/non-packaged/add-ons/Haiku Color Pickers/64/Color Pickers
<Skipp_OSX>
close client app, copy folder to add-ons, open client app
<Skipp_OSX>
just Color Pickers/ should be in add-ons/ not the Haiku Color Pickers/64/ part
<Skipp_OSX>
I don't think create_app_meta_mime will drill down that far to find the app
<Anarchos>
ok
<Anarchos>
Skipp_OSX yes it is filled
<Anarchos>
Skipp_OSX bare metal haiku x64 here (hrev 55384)
<Skipp_OSX>
nice ok so play with it change the color pickers and change the colors of the shapes, drag and drop should also work, eye dropper should also work in Colors!
<Anarchos>
Skipp_OSX what is eye dropper ?
<Skipp_OSX>
in Colors! color picker it's under the preview on the right hand side
<Anarchos>
Skipp_OSX just a remark : when some color pickers are open, if you select another one in the client, i don't find the behaviour coherent : if i click on "triangle color" it opens the already open picker instead of the newly slected one.
<Skipp_OSX>
you have to close and reopen to get a new color picker yes
<Anarchos>
Skipp_OSX no troubles.
<Skipp_OSX>
man ok so this works now I gotta integrate it into Haiku
<Anarchos>
Skipp_OSX nice work !
<Anarchos>
Skipp_OSX the pen picker will be cool for kids !
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/JuqMu
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] kwyxz f5fe62b - RetroArch: bump to version 1.9.9 (#6177)
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<sus>
hello, can somebody help me boot flashed haiku 32bit image
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<sus>
it's not showing on bios bootloader screen when I boot up computer
<sus>
it's flashed to usb
<rennj>
legacy boot/csm mode enabled in bios? cause from what i been told 32bit image doesnt support uefi/efi boot foo
<sus>
can enabling that hurt something on my pc?
<sus>
I'd rather flash 64bit image but I don't know if 64bit has downsides to it's use
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<PulkoMandy>
it can't run BeOS applications, but if you don't need that, it's better and faster
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<Anarchos>
PulkoMandy do we have benchmarks to compare the speed of 32 vs 64 bits ?