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<humdinger>
wrt Screenshot, that seems to be an issue with some non-native apps.
<humdinger>
Qt etc.
<Begasus>
ah, will check in a bit
<Begasus>
confirmed, thanks :)
<Begasus>
I think xorriso is part of Haiku now? been looking into bumping it, also replacine libreadline with libedit
<Begasus>
replacing* (dog is lying in the way, need to type from further away) :)
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<Diver>
there is an open ticket wrt Screenshot about that
<Begasus>
as humdinger mentioned it I though it was already a known issue, thanks Diver
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<Begasus>
repology is fast, even updated the information for xpdf :)
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<BrunoSpr>
hi all.. What does SMAP stands for what does it mean?
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<c4pt4in>
Hello
<c4pt4in>
Just noticed Haiku being listed as a voting option for a charitable giveaway from a German company. Voted for it and in case you didn't already know, this is the page: https://linux30.b1-systems.de/
<Begasus>
beaglejoe, I think (as I mentioned on that ticket) that is had to be installed (or included) to be able to build Haiku
<Begasus>
ps, xapian latest version doesn't KDL here on 32bit :)
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<beaglejoe>
Begasus: Yes, I don't see anywhere that it has been added to buildtools, so one still has to install it from HaikuDepot
<Begasus>
didn't want to merge this morning because there was some issue (that was linked in the ticket), but indeed, it isn't a requirement to run Haiku
<beaglejoe>
I think that is right. Only needed to build.
<Begasus>
uninstalled the previous version and no injury there :) so should be good to go
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/JVRB9
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 41f3a44 - xorricso, bump version (#6233)
<Begasus>
changed the name at github but didn't seem to pick up on the merge :) xorriso vs xorricso
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<Begasus>
'lo jmairboeck
<jmairboeck>
Hi Begasus
<jmairboeck>
did you already succeed at building the texlive packages?
<jmairboeck>
as I have written in the PR, I got some problems trying to install them with the fontconfig config file
<Begasus>
yeah, full build in about 15hours :P ;)
<jmairboeck>
did it install correctly?
<Begasus>
Was thinking about disabling the source packages
<Begasus>
yeah, no problem
<Begasus>
atleast the ones I tried :)
<beaglejoe>
bbl (food)
<Begasus>
it's only a thing to know which of the subpackages is needed now
<jmairboeck>
the main "texlive" package itself would be the problem
<Begasus>
that installed without issues here (32bit)
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<jmairboeck>
because it contains all the "global writable files"
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<jmairboeck>
then I don't know what my problem was
<jmairboeck>
I had to create some directories and touch a file in /system/packages/administrative/writable-files/...
<Begasus>
so far I basicly installed the _core _latex and _basic package
<jmairboeck>
has anyone experienced something similar in the past?
<jmairboeck>
I think it depends on which TeX packages you need, or rather the documents you want to compile
<Begasus>
I updated xpdf earlier and opened a pdf produced by TeXstudio (and texlive)
<Begasus>
only the total amount of packages (121) sum up to a big +4GiB
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<jmairboeck>
I have an alternative version of the "createSubpackageInfos" script which adds provides for the individual TeX packages. Should we use that maybe?
<Begasus>
disabling soure packages could reduce that, but still, we should see which package could/should be enabled to have a working version
<Begasus>
atm I'm so lost in this recipe that I can't tell for sure, I'm only going with what I see and find :)
<jmairboeck>
then one could use e.g. pkgman install texlive_foo if "foo" is needed and it would install the right thing automatically
<jmairboeck>
for a really basic installation, only texlive, texlive_core and texlive_basic should be needed
<Begasus>
yeah, but (like for the language packages), I wouldn't enable them by default
<Begasus>
iirc I had to install texlive_latex also at one point
<jmairboeck>
you could use plain tex without latex though
<jmairboeck>
that's why it is separate
<Begasus>
I don't think that's the point of having it :)
<Begasus>
but I'm not the master in this, can only check
<jmairboeck>
I just used the structure that is already provided by texlive upstream, the subpackages are completely generated automatically
<jmairboeck>
using the two perl scripts
<Begasus>
right, and that's good, but most of them shouldn't end up in haikuports for the moment imho
<Begasus>
as has been mentioned in the past due to it's size
<Begasus>
texlive_core is ok so no worry there
<jmairboeck>
but the recipe still has to be built, doesn't it. What we could do, is use another installation scheme for install-tl to not include everything
<Begasus>
the download for the sources shouldn't be an issue (as source packages are disabed so they don't end up in haikuports)
<jmairboeck>
right now "scheme full" is used, which includes everything that is provided by texlive
<jmairboeck>
but I haven't tried that yet
<Begasus>
I think it's a matter of finding out how(?) to enable those basic (3/4) packages in there
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<jmairboeck>
I'll try using a different "scheme" for install-tl and then lets see if my script actually creates fewer packages then
<Begasus>
it's not an easy road I know, but you are doing a great job so far!
<jmairboeck>
because I used the installed version of texlive.tlpdb as a source
<jmairboeck>
but that could be a problem later for updating the recipe to a newer version because one has to bootstrap that somehow
<jmairboeck>
so if the version from the tarball could be used as input for the script, it would be obviously easier
<jmairboeck>
and if we provide everything that would be the case I think, because the version of texlive.tlpdb should be identical to the one generated by install-tl then
<jmairboeck>
I will try that idea (using a different scheme), maybe next weekend when I have time for that
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/JV0Pf
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 27826fc - xmlsec, bump version (#6234)
<jmairboeck>
I'm not sure if that would work though
<Begasus>
np, there is no hurry for now, for those really want to try it out they can build from the PR :)
<jmairboeck>
and one more thing to consider: if we don't provide everything with packages we should make sure that users can install stuff from CTAN for themselves correctly, into the non-packaged directories
<jmairboeck>
I am not sure if that would work
<jmairboeck>
theoretically it should work though
<Begasus>
I'll leave that up to you to check :)
<jmairboeck>
I have never tried such a mixed installation even on Linux before, I have just installed all texlive packages from openSUSE here :) (about 4000 RPM packages, more than the rest of the system ...)
<jmairboeck>
they package every CTAN package individually, but that would obviously not be managable by haikuporter ;)
<jmairboeck>
I wouldn't even imagine waiting more than an hour for all the build packages to activate and deactivate
<Begasus>
k, hading out in a bit, dogschool :)
<Begasus>
pushed the update to xmlsec but the reports don't show the dependency on the version (for libreoffice)?
<Begasus>
when I installed it it did mention that it was a deppendency ... (version)
<Begasus>
jikes, over 400 packages!
<Begasus>
bbl :) (or tomorrow)
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<rennj>
can you say bloated
<rennj>
sheet music typesetting
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<jmairboeck>
rennj: I don't understand what you mean
<rennj>
4GB for typesetting you know sgml,roff,tex
<rennj>
gutenberg!
<jmairboeck>
that is for a full texlive distribution including documentation and sources
<jmairboeck>
and there is a lot in there
<rennj>
and it still bloated mess
<jmairboeck>
yes, I don't doubt that
<jmairboeck>
but the point in splitting the package up is that you don't have to install everything
<jmairboeck>
whether we can even provide the full thing via haikuports is the question
<rennj>
i know, why i said sheet music
<rennj>
break out the piano im playing my texlive music sheets
<jmairboeck>
my initial goal was porting Lilypond btw.
<jmairboeck>
but that requires Metafont to build, so some form of TeX system is a requirement for that
<rennj>
LilyPond is a music engraving program, devoted to producing the highest-quality sheet music possible. It brings the aesthetics of traditionally engraved music to computer printouts.
<rennj>
heh
<rennj>
sheet music
<jmairboeck>
yes, exactly
<rennj>
yeah well i was just stabbing in the dark
<rennj>
a feature i would not need
<jmairboeck>
I am not a musician either but I have used it in the past to transcribe some things, just for my private interest
<jmairboeck>
and then one day during lockdown last year I thought how difficult it would be to build that for Haiku
<rennj>
the great unmasking!
<rennj>
how stupid humans can be during a pandemic
<rennj>
the great unmasking!
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<jmairboeck>
no, that's not stupid, honestly. Maybe a bit pointless, because I just could keep using Linux, and probably will for the time being, but I like the challenge. And it seems to get working, slowly. Plus, I'm not the only one who wants TeX on Haiku. If you don't need it, don't use it.
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<rennj>
i wasnt talking about haiku or tex...just the current times
<rennj>
meh haiku kernel is weak, lack of drivers
<rennj>
windows11 hardware tpm bullshit probably push it back farther
<rennj>
amd/nvidia/intel drivers for video progress of course
<rennj>
acpi power management
<rennj>
ACPI brings the power management under the control of the operating system, as opposed to the previous BIOS-centric system that relied on platform-specific firmware to determine power management and configuration policies