<andreasdr>
She reverse engineers the M1 APU to bring 3D hardware acceleration to Linux with M1
<bitigchi>
she's very ...capable
<bitigchi>
mad respect
<andreasdr>
I agree 100%.
<andreasdr>
PanFrost would be interesting later for HaikuOS. I think FreeBSD crowd have writtten their own MIT kernel DRM for PanFrost.
<bitigchi>
i am not sure if any of this Linux work on M1 would help Haiku, but it would surely pave the way if any other brave individual attempts it at some point in the future
<bitigchi>
documentation especially
<andreasdr>
CPU wise NetBSD has been ported to M1 and Linux. I think FBSD is on its way too or they have it already.
<andreasdr>
I see the problem rather with APU than with CPU.
<andreasdr>
But Haiku does not yet have 3D HW acceleration so.
<andreasdr>
NetBSD is MIT, You can litarally take the code or maybe get inspired by the code.
<andreasdr>
Maybe the road to M1 is not that complicated if Haiku has 64 Bit ARM working.
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<bitigchi>
hopefully
<andreasdr>
I am following ARM progress for Haiku and it looks like Haiku is there soon. No idea but looks promising.
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<bitigchi>
i think it still comes down to manual labour of porting the commonly used device drivers, like pi4 ones
<bitigchi>
aside from that, i think booting to desktop is quite near
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<andreasdr>
You have NVME now.
<andreasdr>
So thats resolved.
<andreasdr>
Or it needs some adaption and its resolved.
<andreasdr>
Thats a huge step already.
<andreasdr>
Or I am wrong?
<bitigchi>
no, that's major surely
<andreasdr>
Yes. Think so too.
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<jt15s[m]>
Anyone have the SVG for the WebPositive logo?
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<kinkinkijkin>
okay, booting haiku on my older machine
<kinkinkijkin>
immediately panic, "did not find any boot partitions" from cd
<kinkinkijkin>
finds the freedos partition before panicking...
<kinkinkijkin>
hm
<kinkinkijkin>
gonna try out win 98 on here until someone's around to help with this
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<nephele[m]>
Is the _daemon and _server naming consistent for the ones we have runnign normally?
<nephele[m]>
I am thinking whether I can make TeamMonitor group those per default under System servers and System Daemons
<nephele[m]>
Perhaps also take this a step further to show stopped, disabled daemons and servers aswell, to have an indications which ones are running as a "once" type, and which are scheduled by launch_daemon
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<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/JzeeY
<Remco>
So if someone can either change it or poke someone to do that, that would be awesome. Or perhaps it's not needed since it's a blogpost. Just a heads-up :)
<waddlesplash>
it may not be relevant anymore, yes
<Remco>
It looked like it was written as a post that can be referenced in the future
<Remco>
You know about it now, so my work is done
<Remco>
Have a good day!
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<extrowerk>
jt15s[m]: do you still need the WP svg?
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<Coldfirex>
waddlesplash: think the default syslog_buffer_size option should be increased for the future?
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/Jze34
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] win8linux 0d3dc2e - Kristall: x86 support, less RAM for building, etc. (#6192)
<julicenri>
Has anyone else noticed that "all" gets added into the ARCHITECTURES line in a recipe when making a HaikuPorts PR?
<julicenri>
Noticed it earlier today with the recent Kristall PR, even though the local copy here didn't have it at all.
<extrowerk>
yep, this is something new
<extrowerk>
so we don't have to add riscv arm64 and stuff
<extrowerk>
so every recipe is implicitly gets the same compatibility as the x86-64 arch on every other arch. one have to explicitly list some platform if it is not supported
<julicenri>
It caused a merge conflict earlier in the day and it had to be resolved manually.
<extrowerk>
hope this change won't shake the world.
<extrowerk>
you could follow the mailing list, afair there was a mail-thread about this change
<julicenri>
Could befuddle packagers unaware of it, especially during the coding sprint.
<julicenri>
Ah, not on the HaikuPort mailing list yet.
<extrowerk>
just read every bit of information proactively, so you won't miss anything
<extrowerk>
then read a bit more, and you will be set.
<waddlesplash>
it was on HaikuPorter's issue tracker, not the mailing list
<waddlesplash>
but yes, it was discussed over the past few weeks etc.
<extrowerk>
waddlesplash: i think i got email about it, maybe this is why i assumed it was on the mailing list
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<B2IA>
(mrentropy) I have a USB speaker attached and it shows up as a GEMBIRD Honk USB Speaker. I find that pretty funny.
<B2IA>
(mrentropy) In listusb. Not in Media preferences.
<extrowerk>
usb audio is not really working right now, afair.
<waddlesplash>
indeed not, it's disabled. I put in a bunch of work on it and then ran into media_server bugs.
<waddlesplash>
and then I fixed those, and then I ran into USB bugs. and now I'm still stuck in the rabbit hole of the USB stack
<roiredX>
USB has some issues, so it seems
<roiredX>
I just tried yesterday compact flash cards through USB without issues yet
<B2IA>
(mrentropy) I just mention it because I like the name.
<roiredX>
and so far, the KM switch hasn't given me issues
<Coldfirex>
further an further into the rabbit hole
<roiredX>
usb audio doesn't work, true
<roiredX>
nor input neither output
<roiredX>
i tried with an audio jack cable to bypass those issues without success though
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<roiredX>
bye all
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<lelldorin>
hello all
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<lelldorin>
can i get all dependecies of a package without haiku package? pkgman resolve-dependencies ...
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<bbjimmy_64>
ok, I'm tired of having to re-install my locally compiled vision package because software updater insists on replacing it with the broken version from hailuports.
<bbjimmy_64>
I even changed the version number to be higher and it still insists on replacing it. maybe we need the option to not install some updates?
<nephele[m]>
use pkgman
<nephele[m]>
SoftwareUpdated always does the equivalent of "pkgman full-sync" to replace the packages with the ones available in the repositories
<nephele[m]>
you could also just build it locally and not put it into a hpkg and run it normally, should work fine aswell
<bbjimmy_64>
mine works, the one in haikudepot doesn't
<bbjimmy_64>
I did, but on the next update it will be replaced.
<nephele[m]>
yes, again, it does what full-sync does
<nephele[m]>
it will remove all packages it can't get from the upstream repo
<bbjimmy_64>
I put the package in /boot/home/config/packages and am running the update, lets see what happens.
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<waddlesplash>
I already fixed Vision
<waddlesplash>
someone just needs to update the recipe, I didn't do that yet
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<bbjimmy_64>
I had to un-install it, then it uses my local compiled version from the .hpkg in ~/cinfig/packages.
<bbjimmy_64>
and I updated the system and it did not insist on installing vision.
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<extrowerk>
bbjimmy_64: it was told already, but let me repeat: SoftwareUpdater will always try to replace packages, except if you put int into the home/ tree. If you don't want it, you can use pkgman instead of softwareupdater in terminal. "pkgman update" command will update everything, but won't replace any locally installed packages.
<extrowerk>
you can also explicitly tell to pkgman which packages should it update only. like "pkgman update vlc" will update only vlc (and its dependencies, i think), but won't update haiku itself, for example.
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<bbjimmy_64>
Software updated should look at the version number and never downgrade whilr it updates the system. in this case I made my package vision-0.10.6-2-x86_64.hpkg and haikudepot has vision-0.10.6-1-x86_64.hpkg
<bbjimmy_64>
I know what it does, but it still needs to be fixed.
<extrowerk>
That is an opinion. However there are other opinions regarding this.
<waddlesplash>
bbjimmy_64: yes, so you can do "pkgman update" instead of "full-sync" as we are saying.
<waddlesplash>
"full-sync" *ntentionally* can downgrade packages
<waddlesplash>
occasionally we will have to revert some change at HaikuPorts and then we want users to get the older version
<extrowerk>
like the case with the borked make.
<bbjimmy_64>
looks like a case of users opinions don't count.
<nephele[m]>
You are using a workaround of a problem on the nightly branch, SoftwareUpdater should primarily work for the stable releases
<nephele[m]>
that is also primarily what the builders build for, some breakage is expected on nightlies
<nephele[m]>
Heh, disabled the Haiku repository on my laptop aswell... now i'm only on self-build images :), updating via ssh works really well actually, now if only it was a bit more automatic (with one computer beeing a repo for the other one :D)
<waddlesplash>
bbjimmy_64: I'm still not sure how we have failed to account for your opinion
<waddlesplash>
it seems we have an option that does precisely what you want?
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<extrowerk>
waddlesplash: could you help me pls? I am trying to bump the TBB recipe (Thread Building Blocks from intel). GCC however complains the _EXPORT gets redefined. And it is true, as it is indirectly includes the BeBuild.h which redefined _EXPORT.
<waddlesplash>
ouch
<waddlesplash>
hmm, how does it get to BeBuild.h?
<extrowerk>
So i copied the definition from BeBuilds.h and inserted into the TBB sources, so it is still redefined, but to the same thing, so gcc doesnt complains anymore. But i feel it is wrong.
<waddlesplash>
extrowerk: edit _export.h and add a case for Haiku
<waddlesplash>
probably you can include BeBuild.h
<extrowerk>
and this is the _export.h with my wwwery smart hack: http://0x0.st/-38I.h
<extrowerk>
so it is the same as in the BeBuild.h
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<extrowerk>
so is this ok?
<extrowerk>
i have no idea what it does, i just assume it have something to do with the symbol exporting.
<waddlesplash>
no, I mean, just include Bebuild.h instead of #define...
<extrowerk>
ah
<extrowerk>
lemme try
<extrowerk>
it builds.
<extrowerk>
other question: tbb uses kind of .def files to ?export symbols? (idk). it looks like this for linux64: http://0x0.st/-38U.def
<extrowerk>
can i just duplicate this files and rename it (i already hacked cmake so finds the renamed def files). is this ok, or is it just a futile silly attempt?
<extrowerk>
i just compared the mac64 and lin64 .def files, they are mostly identical, except the linux one have an extra global section in it. which contains everything, but the mac one doesn't have global section, and the mac one uses double undersocre at the start of the mangled symbol names, while the linux one uses one underscore only.
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<jt15s[m]>
extrowerk: Yes, it would be great if you could send the SVG of the WebPositive icon.
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