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<jt15s[m]>
kallisti5: Funny you brought that up haha, I was thinking of suggesting that too! I quite like what ReactOS does - they bundle three themes (IIRC) and let you choose which one you want upon install, so what I'm thinking we could do is let the user choose between the current theme, FlatLook and also a BeOS theme (I think we already have options to change the decorator styles to look more like BeOS so we could probably turn it into its own theme).
<jt15s[m]>
Of course, we can also include a note during Installation that one can install more themes from HaikuDepot as well.
<jt15s[m]>
That way everyone can choose what they want and there's no complaints about a certain theme being forced upon everyone
<jt15s[m]>
To implement that we'd probably need to bundle ThemeManager, plus have a special category in HaikuDepot just for themes for easier browsing
<jt15s[m]>
I'm also thinking we could have a "colour mode" option where you can switch to dark mode
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<jt15s[m]>
Another colour mode for Haiku would be nice as well that would still be considered "light" but be lighter than the grey theme that is currently used by default - this would provide a more modern light theme option for those who want it
<jt15s[m]>
The light theme the Activity tabs on the website use could work
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<NaGERST>
I can not boot haiku. it crashes efter the disk icon, booting from usb works
<NaGERST>
i can install just fine
<NaGERST>
from the usb, but not boot from disk
<NaGERST>
the older system is 24cores 48 threads, and my new one is 44 cores 88 threads. Same motherboard by Asus.. neither will boot from disk. It works fine from usb though
<NaGERST>
got any ideas how to solve this?
<NaGERST>
It installs just fine from usb.
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<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/Jzh4p
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] korli 219eb5a - endless_sky: revert last commit
<win8linux[m]>
jt15s : There's an emerging trend in Linux land of DEs having accent colour settings, wherein some elements of the active colour scheme can be set to a specified colour from one place.
<win8linux[m]>
Highlights, outlines, etc. are affected, but not background or foreground elements.
<win8linux[m]>
I think it may be a good idea for Haiku to implement it, since it simplifies customisation to the end-user a lot.
<win8linux[m]>
Here's a video from a KDE dev demonstrating their accent colour settings implementation, which also goes over the general concept:
<win8linux[m]>
Should be noted that it is months old and accent colours will be in the Plasma 5.23 release.
<julicenri>
A theoretical accent colours setting in Haiku could also affect the tab bar, since that's also controlled by the colour scheme.
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<Begasus>
g'morning peeps
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<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/Jzh5k
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] scottmc d850ef0 - Initial creation of CONTRIBUTING.md
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<NaGERST>
win8linux[m]: If it is in linux i oppose it by defeinition, as desktop linux is the worst desktop of all. Flat boring and slow.
<NaGERST>
and accent colouring is also alread there to some extent in haiku
<NaGERST>
i also hope in the future that we move from the eyesoar that is ocen gray to more eye pleasing tan gray.
<NaGERST>
any idea why i always end in KDL on both my systems
<NaGERST>
I have set all UEFI/BIOS settings to default
<NaGERST>
I have tried multiple USB sticks
<NaGERST>
i can install just fine, partitioning works.
<NaGERST>
after install, boot just wont work
<Begasus>
did you try booting your installed system with a usb stick?
<NaGERST>
yup
<NaGERST>
it works sometimes in failsafe if i disable everything
<NaGERST>
sometimes it does not
<Diver>
NaGERST: do you have a pic of kdl?
<NaGERST>
no it is not a vm so i can not take screenshots
<NaGERST>
and i have no camera
<NaGERST>
think it said error 25 or 28
<Begasus>
I need to do it also on the 64bit install and use failsave video
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<BrunoSpr>
hi all.. USB problem is solved now with hrev.55459
<BrunoSpr>
nice
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<jt15s[m]>
win8linux: Yes, this is present in Windows too, and it's a pretty good idea especially since Haiku's default yellow cannot be changed at the moment. Windows only lets you select from a colour palette, but if we were to implement it IMO we should give even more flexibility and let users define a colour code.
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<win8linux[m]>
<NaGERST> "and accent colouring is also..." <- True, but a dedicated accent colours setting would set multiple parts of the colour scheme in one.
<win8linux[m]>
Makes theming more convenient and easy for end-users.
<win8linux[m]>
Of course, this doesn't necessarily mean that customising every aspect of the colour scheme should be eliminated either.
<win8linux[m]>
More advanced or discerning users will still want that.
<win8linux[m]>
<jt15s[m]> "win8linux: Yes, this is present..." <- Should there be preset accent colours for users to pick from?
<jt15s[m]>
win8linux[m]: Yes, there probably should be (we'd have to figure out what palette to use) alongside the option to use a custom colour
<win8linux[m]>
Also how to present preset accent colours too, maybe.
<jt15s[m]>
Definitely takes up less space than Windows 11 haha
<jt15s[m]>
So the top option, "From current color scheme", does that pick a colour from the desktop wallpaper like Windows does or does it get the colour from somewhere else?
<win8linux[m]>
It just uses the current colour scheme's default.
<win8linux[m]>
There are two possible places to put an accent colour setting:
<win8linux[m]>
Putting it where the blue line is seems like the obvious choice.
<win8linux[m]>
But having it where the yellow line is could also be a good spot, so that the colour sliders below can be used if the user wants to set a custom accent colour.
<jt15s[m]>
<win8linux[m]> "But having it where the yellow..." <- IMO putting it above the individual controls for colours are is better to distinguish the two types of colour settings from each other
<jt15s[m]>
So the top part is for Accent Colour settings and the bottom part can be for Individual Colour settings
<jt15s[m]>
And we can have headings to distinguish between the two as well
<jt15s[m]>
The naming probably needs a little work, though lol
<jt15s[m]>
s/,//
<Begasus>
k, looks like I need to fix the pkg-config for graphviz also
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<jt15s[m]>
We also need to figure out how to distinguish between theme-wide settings for look and feel, colours, sounds and fonts (for some themes) se through Theme Manager and non-theme wide ones set by the user through the respective preferences menus
<win8linux[m]>
Could use that for showing preset accent colours.
<jt15s[m]>
Yeah, that looks good - plus we can add a button next to it that'll open up the colour picker
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<win8linux[m]>
The way that swatch is implemented is that clicking the big square showing the current colour opens a colour picker dialog.
<win8linux[m]>
That's obvious for creative applications, but not sure if that is also true for system settings.
<Begasus_32>
-I/packages/graphviz_x86-2.49.1-1/.self/develop/headers/x86 vs -I/packages/graphviz_x86-2.49.1-1/.self/develop/headers/x86/graphviz
<jt15s[m]>
Maybe some sort of colour picker icon to show that clicking that opens a colour picker would help make it clearer
<Begasus>
source for cutter uses #include <gvc.h> without the fix it won't find it
<win8linux[m]>
Thinking about making a ticket for accent colours or a forum post, maybe both.
<win8linux[m]>
Should I?
<jt15s[m]>
win8linux[m]: Yup, sounds like a good idea
<jt15s[m]>
Forum post generates discussion + ticket actually places the suggestion where devs can keep track of it
<jt15s[m]>
Here's a wildly ambitious idea: make HaikuDepot a full GUI frontend for pkgman - what I mean about that is merge it with the Repositories and SoftwareUpdater apps and make it a true one-stop place to manage repos and packages
<jt15s[m]>
Plus improve the organisation in the process
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<jt15s[m]>
I've noticed that on other operating systems you need to get your updates from different places when using GUIs - so my suggestion proposes putting everything in one place for GUI users similar to how it is for CLI users already
<jt15s[m]>
s/my/this/, s/suggestion/idea/
<jt15s[m]>
(credit goes to appgreimann, who initially came up with the idea)
<vdamewood>
jt15s[m]: you can substitute two words in a single substitution, eg s/my suggestion/this idea/
<jt15s[m]>
Substitute two words? I changed it from "my suggestion" to "this idea" because I remembered that appgreimann was the one who initially came up with it
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<vdamewood>
jt15s[m]: Yeah, you didn't need two separate substitutions for each word. A single substitution could handle both.
<jt15s[m]>
Ah ok
<jt15s[m]>
* Ah ok, gotcha
<vdamewood>
... well, assuming they're adjacent of course.
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<win8linux[m]>
<jt15s[m]> "Here's a wildly ambitious idea..." <- Repositories and Software Updater are already accessible from HaikuDepot.
<jt15s[m]>
It would be good if all three apps were integrated as one though
<Begasus_32>
-- Checking for module 'libgvc'
<Begasus_32>
-- Found libgvc, version 2.49.1
<Begasus_32>
-- Found Graphviz: /packages/graphviz_x86-2.49.1-1/.self/develop/headers/x86/graphviz
<Begasus>
nice :)
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<Kokito>
Good evening folks
<jt15s[m]>
Evening!
<Kokito>
Hi jt15s[m]!
<Begasus>
g'afternoon Kokito :)
<Kokito>
Hey Begasus!
<Begasus>
How's it going there?
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<Kokito>
Preparing for a typhoon headed this way. Expected to arrive tomorrow. Other than that, all is good! How are you doing?
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<Kokito>
Hello mmu_man
<Begasus>
Jikes, hope you'll get through it ok
<Begasus>
Aside from my back (acting up again) pretty good
<Kokito>
Ouch... Back pain is a pain ;)
<Begasus>
It is ;) (but have had it on and off for over 40 years now)
<Kokito>
I suppose you have learned to coexist with it then
<Begasus>
One advantage, I can take time for Haiku that way ;)
<Begasus>
yep
<Kokito>
So it has a good side, eh!
<Begasus>
right, finishing up on the latest version for cutter atm :)
<countryboy>
peace and love ... kisses to everybody ... ;-)
<Ellenor>
oh
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<scops[m]>
Hey :)
<countryboy>
Hey scops[m] ;-)
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<countryboy>
:-
<countryboy>
:
<countryboy>
i apologize ...
<countryboy>
:-)
<scops[m]>
Just some questions: is there a login like Zeta has back in the day planed already? aaand what about encrypted filesystem? :)
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<beaglejoe>
re HaikuPorter and "all" arch: What architectures are included in all?
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<andreasdr>
Hi
<beaglejoe>
Looking at some existing recipes, ARCHITECTURES="all !x86_gcc2" , seems right, but should ?ppc ?arm, etcetera be added ?
<beaglejoe>
...if port is only tested on x86 and x86_64
<Begasus>
not atm beaglejoe , there are no buildmasters available for them atm
<Begasus>
so they won't be build anyway
<beaglejoe>
Begasus: Thanks.
<Begasus>
well, waddlesplash would know all the details, but afaik it's safe to add them (only if you are sure its broken, like !x86_gcc2 you need to add it)
<Begasus>
I suspect once a new buildmaster is in place (like for arm*) we'll see lots of failing recipes :)
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<waddlesplash>
Begasus: we don't need to add them now, "all" suffices
<waddlesplash>
if the build fails on ARM, that's fine, we deal with it individually
<Begasus>
my point waddlesplash :)
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<Vidrep_64>
I know, it's HaikuArchives stuff, but nontheless it's a "featured app" and I use it often enough that it pains me
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<Coldfirex>
how do we list the loaded drivers?
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<Vidrep_64>
Coldfirex, Ithink it's listimage
<waddlesplash>
Vidrep_64: yeah, I probably can look
<waddlesplash>
some other day though
<Vidrep_64>
It's been a year already, so I guess another few days won't matter
<Vidrep_64>
Same with StreamRadio. CodeForEvolution and jsteinaker got it working again, but have both disappeared without fixing the memory leak issue. PukoMandy commented on it, but there it sits.
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