<legendaryamerican>
Probably will take a cease and desist letter to someone on perhaps the US side of the back bone..
<legendaryamerican>
Gonna especially like the part of the letter.. "Haiku Inc is headquartered In Rochester New York and its founder is a true american"
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<Animortis>
Evening all
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<legendaryamerican>
Ok. Asus aspire one d250 runs open wifi. For some reason does not run wpa.
<legendaryamerican>
Tomorrow will try wired with the most current ca root certs.
<legendaryamerican>
Let me try one more thing however. On a hunch I'll download and install WPA supplicant
<waddlesplash>
wpa_supplicant should be installed by default
<waddlesplash>
wpa definitely will not work without it
<waddlesplash>
jessicah: wifi is much better in the last few years, I think
<waddlesplash>
still can use some work though, but in many ways we are now much closer to par with freebsd
<waddlesplash>
also, traceroute on haiku is often just wrong for strange reasons
<waddlesplash>
we really should replace ping, etc. with inetutils versions but we just haven't
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<HaikuUser>
k
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<Legended>
ok
<Legended>
atheros wpa is borked. open wifi works fine.
<waddlesplash>
atheros wpa works for at least some people
<waddlesplash>
may vary by AP I suppose
<jessicah>
waddlesplash: heh, maybe, it's still buggy as fuck on my systems :p
<waddlesplash>
what driver?
<jessicah>
intel
<jessicah>
I think
<waddlesplash>
yes, there's 4, which one
<waddlesplash>
most likely iprowifi4965 or idualwifi7260
<waddlesplash>
the former is probably the most stable driver of them all except maybe atheroswifi
<jessicah>
I think it's idualwifi
<waddlesplash>
yes, that one is indeed pretty unreliable
<jessicah>
ac-8265
<waddlesplash>
on top of all that it only supports 802.11b/g mode, not even 802.11n let alone 11ac
<jessicah>
found it weird that my thunderbolt to ethernet adapter didn't show up under haiku
<waddlesplash>
not even in listdev?
<jessicah>
guess thunderbolt 3 needs extra driver magic
<Legended>
atheroswifi is the one selected. i dont know if haiku is detecting and using that one out of a choice of them but it detects that for the aspire one d250
<waddlesplash>
there's only one driver for atheros chips and that's it
<Legended>
I see.
<waddlesplash>
jessicah: openbsd variant of that driver supports 11n but needs some work to port that to freebsd
<waddlesplash>
not immediately straightforward
<waddlesplash>
it also has a bunch of other fixes not yet ported
<jessicah>
gah, trying to git bisect the haiku repo these days is so difficult
<Legended>
I cant say the smartest path is getting haiku to work on all the mini notebooks. but it wasnt as big a market as the notebook market.
<Legended>
fewer in number types kinds. but they made a crapton of them.
<Legended>
and it sorta coincides with the rpi paradigm.
<Legended>
ugly win11 wont support the more secure duo chips. just as well. msft is one giant security patch anyway.
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<Legended>
I was looking at the fact that all of your iCore processors have security vulnerabilities.. that to me was unacceptable.
<jessicah>
I kinda wish my cpu didn't have a tpm chip, so I can avoid win11 easier, heh
<Legended>
not sure if it affects the pentium golds.. or some of the newer non icore.. like the celerons.
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<Legended>
but yeah. they are dropping support for the duo. which is just as well because one of the first duos was called allendale.. as in paul allen
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<Legended>
and no.. Im not disparaging paul when I say this. I say he would not put up with such rotten cores if msft had to run on them.
<Legended>
allen died exactly 3 years ago to this day
<Legended>
so. this being said.. one thing haiku could think of really supporting is the duos.
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<waddlesplash>
don't we already?
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<Legended>
sorry. i mean all the systems that have them stock.
<Legended>
still a finite number. not as important as the mini notebooks perhaps as they are super cheap used.
<waddlesplash>
generally we just wind up supporting some lowest common denominator of hardware, as it is easiset to do so
<waddlesplash>
we import wifi drivers from freebsd, occasionally we patch them for basic issues but that's about it
<waddlesplash>
and also ethernet drivers
<Legended>
triage as I came to understand it.
<Legended>
I think support for all of the minibooks is easily attainable. when people got a tablet they thought what was this as such represents a gold mine for haiku users. if they were saying they could run android 2.1 on this aspire one I have.. then well yeah. im sure they got wow weed with the first touch screen tablets. but you know.. that doesnt wow me. I had a pen tablet in 96
<Legended>
remove the ability to swipe, and this aspire one is more powerful than 80 percent of the tablets out there.
<Legended>
even with their more impressive stats... like ram and so on.
<Legended>
we all have experience from our own ends on this. there are so few droid ten tablets worth a hoot out there. they have to have 16 or 32gb of ram to do anything close to pc work.
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<Legended>
I can also check if the apsire one here has the wifi on a mini pcie connector. in which case thats a work around unless they can get this fixed.
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<Legended>
this system almost runs haiku completly. I mean I dont need the cam.. but it has one and thats a finishing touch I guess. really with the audio working.. even if I could find an external sound interface.. this thing should run reaper if ported.
<Legended>
skirst. yes. and its iCore. nice to know however
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<skirst>
ah Legended, apollogies missed the bit about vulnerabilities
<Legended>
iCore.. core i3, 5,7 and 9 and a few other intel families all suffer from both known and unknown security problems with the chip itself. which was sorta a new thing. chips.. with security problems.. able to be exploited.
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<skirst>
i disable cpu mitigations. nothing really important happens here lol
<Legended>
the software msft patched over with.. actually slows down performance. which started an endless loop of capability seeking to get around less than good performance. < thats funny.. this doesnt rock like a 3ghz.. let me put a better video card.. more ram. and now.. a regular system is quite expensive. contributing to the overall endless loop of problems
<Legended>
i mean, I dont know how much more graphics and video and audio capability they can design around marking a new chapter in their latest installment of your favorite game, when it reaches a point to where you just dont percieve that high.
<skirst>
linux is still trying to figure out how to fix the mess. i just disable it all. i'm not running a virtualized cloud server. i just wanna hack on my code.
<Legended>
the difference wouldnt be noticed by humans because humans have limitations. all humans have them
<skirst>
my compile times matter. nothing more :) every microsecond i can get
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<Legended>
I saw a video of someone hooking a rpi up to an nvidia gpu card. something like that would be awesome for something like davinci resolve. heck. with the right software on haiku you can use such a setup as a render box plugged into a haiku system running resolve.
<Legended>
if youre trying to render a freshly created graphic.. such as I named.. yes. strong gpus matter. in gaming.. once you reach a certian point the human cannot percieve a speed difference past a certian point.
<Legended>
mainly.. render speed while actually working a job for instance.. matters much more a great deal regardless of perceptable different to a certian degree.
<skirst>
i've heard all of that before from 2000 and on. 30fps is enpugh! we need 60 now! 120 now! we got spoiled.
<Legended>
smart people cried over the gaming bubble.
<skirst>
gpu's aren't how i remember them these days. got out of graphics programming forever ago. couldn't keep up
<Legended>
because of ai... render speed increases past human perceptable limits in gaming is MOOT
<skirst>
i quit just before opengl 4.0 showed up, as a frame of reference :)
<skirst>
looking at vulkan examples makes my head explode. foreign territory
<Legended>
heh. this box doesnt even display glteapot
<Legended>
thats spit and varnish on a box like this. mainly getting wifi working right on it.. and the work will fly
<Legended>
I type faster than I can talk sometimes.
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<skirst>
ha!
<Legended>
so if we can get this wifi working right. this entire netstack here up and down for the d250.. I can look into these other things like getting reaper port done.. I know we can get a lot more coders because you can code on this thing, anywhere and itll fit in a little nothing bag.
<Legended>
they make aftermarket extended batteries for some of these jobbies. I look at that one too.
<Legended>
this one has an omg extended life batt. that matters in this game.
<skirst>
reaper? as in the DAW?
<Legended>
yeah.
<Legended>
that would rock.
<Legended>
but yeah. the idea of having small light fast enough computers with real keyboards you can work with.. that has haiku appeal. if were trying to get coders. also and cheap enough. and this d250 is like that. oh I guess most of these minisubs are like that.
<Legended>
people have to junk manage you know.
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<Legended>
ok. im gonna roll.. it was great talking again. perhaps we can get this atheros issue knocked out. and thatll mean these 250s will be good to code with.
<skirst>
good luck man!
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<tqh>
Not my page, someone else did a 3rdparty driver.
<nephele[m]>
Well, it has some intel card we (should) support, actually i have two distinct intel wifi cards that both don't work
<nephele[m]>
but i suspect that the upstream freebsd driver does not work, have to get around to install it so i can report that
<tqh>
Ah. Maybe check if it has its firmware if you havn't.
<nephele[m]>
It needs firmware, yep, but i had the package installed
<nephele[m]>
I tried with FreeBSD like three years ago on that laptop, and i remember not getting it to work with having to add the license accepting stuff value to rc.conf
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<tqh>
yes, that was the pain with older fw's license was very restricted.
<nephele[m]>
yeah :(
<nephele[m]>
would be fancy if the network preference would tell users that firmware is needed and needs to be manually installed anyhow
<x512[m]>
FreeBSD have no its own graphics drivers, it use drivers ported from Linux.
<nephele[m]>
jt15s: gpu support is twofold, there is modesetting part and the "3d acceleration" part, technically there is also 2d accell but nobody cares about that anymore
<nephele[m]>
for the modesetting part we have drivers for severall cards which work generally anyhow
<nephele[m]>
(it always suprises me on linux that "hardware acceleration" options sometimes make stuff massively slower, like in the steam client, which is basically just a chromium webrowser at this point)
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<x512[m]>
Yes. This separation in theory should also allow to use existing Haiku drivers modesetting with ported 3D acceleration drivers.
<nephele[m]>
x512: I hope this makes 3d accel crashes less fatal also :)
<nephele[m]>
(I have had very bad experience with ported 3d drivers from linux on FreeBSD, very often gives a kernel panic)
<x512[m]>
Running driver in userland allows handling crashes and restarting without kernel panic.
<jt15s[m]>
Ah alright, thanks for explaining!
<nephele[m]>
yes, but kernel panic is not the worst part neccesarily, app_server needs to survive aswell as the modesetting driver :) and the best part is if allows a clean restart
<x512[m]>
app_server restarting is currently not fully implemented.
<nephele[m]>
yep
<nephele[m]>
jt15s: did you make a ticket for noto emoji font inclusion?
<x512[m]>
I managed ro get it, but all previous windows were lost and input was not working.
<jt15s[m]>
nephele: Oops, I haven't yet. Thanks for the reminder!
<nephele[m]>
x512: i don't think that the application kit understands how to reconnect yet to the input_server and app_server
<nephele[m]>
jt15s: for reference
<nephele[m]>
-r--r--r-- 1 user root 409K Juni 27 13:32 /system/data/fonts/ttfonts/NotoEmoji-Regular.ttf
<x512[m]>
By looking to sources, there are some implementation of reconnecting to app_server by running applications.
<jt15s[m]>
Should I create a ticket to remove the Noto Sans Display font from the fonts preloaded with Haiku?
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<n4ch0c4t>
hello together! just wanted to ask who uses haiku daily maybe even for work? Which programs do you use mostly? What are you missing? Do have an installation on real hardware or vm?
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 6846668fd779 - runime_loader: fix typo from hrev55497
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<DHowett>
So, I've got a machine that can't progress from UEFI bootloader to kernel loading (rocketship), and when I enable on-screen debug logging it prints nothing. How can I help troubleshoot? I don't have a serial port, unfortunately
<DHowett>
(I somewhat wonder if the lack of onscreen debug is a uefi gop issue given that memtest86+ had some issues rendering to the display as well)
<PulkoMandy>
probably not a lot can be done in that situation
<PulkoMandy>
maybe if you manage to reset the machine from there, you can go to the bootloader menu and get the "display previous bootloader log" menu option
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<DHowett>
oh that's clever, I think I can do that
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<legendaryamerican>
check the router they sent.. but I'm pretty sure it's up the pipe.
<legendaryamerican>
Ok. Its spectrum. I tried on my IBM Lenovo t61. That needs Vesa video but I maxed out the specs almost on that. Intel extreme wifi.. 8gb ram. 1 to ssd. Almost got the mpcie name but I have the DVD ram. An m-audio 2x2M M-Track shows up as USB midi.. I don't see the audio itself up on there for the 2x2 but yes midi. Did a cortex sound test for internal HD audio. Works. But no. Honestly Spectrum doesn't like haiku os. I will
<legendaryamerican>
Name=nvme..
<legendaryamerican>
I mean haiku is already smarter than windows.. seeing there is probably a way to get the 2x2 audio working for assign system sounds and calls to the HD audio.. but all daw to the 2x2
<legendaryamerican>
I haven't tried hooking up my firewire stuff.
<legendaryamerican>
Like I said.. the t61 uses iPro wifi/Intel extreme. Upgraded to something known to work just fine in haiku. I didn't test wpa-less.. it might do the same thing. But haiku wouldn't work WPA 2 with my us cellular Hotspot either.
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<legendaryamerican>
So. It can be only two things. Whomever they're both connecting to.. or haiku has a borked wpa.
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<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/JK0AH
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] korli 1835404 - abseil-cpp: new recipe
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<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 3a9bb1e729dc - intel_extreme: updated PLL restricts, updated set- and proposemode. Requested modes are now set more precise.
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<waddlesplash>
DHowett: PulkoMandy: I don't think previous bootloader log works on efi yet
<waddlesplash>
DHowett: rocket icon is actually the desktop init, by that time kernel space is fully initialized with all drivers loaded and it then is starting userspace
<waddlesplash>
if it hangs with the rocket icon lit up, try using a fail safe video mode
<waddlesplash>
onscreen debug works fine for me though, or did last I tried it, under efi...
<DHowett>
waddlesplash: sorry, i did mean the atom. no icons light up. it's been a while since i had to think about the order :)
<waddlesplash>
ah
<waddlesplash>
are you sure you are using the efi loader
<DHowett>
no CSM on this machine ;)
<waddlesplash>
no onscreen output likely indicates the kernel is not actually started at all
<waddlesplash>
and that was a known issue on Ryzen systems under the BIOS loader
<waddlesplash>
I think enabling the 4GB memory limit helped?
<waddlesplash>
anyway, no time today, but I can help more on Monday
<DHowett>
tx
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