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<mint_> pretty sure this is the right place for this... i want to install haiku on this one device i own but the bios on it is really weird and it doesn't like any of the bootable media i throw at it
<mrentropyvcs> Is it BIOS or EUFI?
<mint_> i'm not exactly sure
<mint_> it's an asus transformer book
<mint_> i think the model number is t100ta?
<mint_> i'd have to look
<mint_> okay yea it is
<mint_> it seems to only really like windows 8.1
<mint_> everything else i've thrown at it hasn't worked because the bios doesn't see it
<mrentropyvcs> You're using the 64-bit version of the Haiku installer?
<mint_> i tried both 32bit and 64bit
<mint_> iirc
<mint_> main one i tried was 32 bit
<jessicah> maybe secure boot is enabled
<jessicah> you need to turn that off
<mint_> it's already off
<jessicah> do you see the boot media when you enter your firmware boot menu?
<mint_> which menu is that again?
<jessicah> your bios one
<mint_> ah
<mint_> no
<mint_> it doesn't see it
<jessicah> with systems with buggy firmware, I install refind
<mint_> lemme do a quick searc
<mrentropyvcs> And stick with 64-bit.
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<mrentropyvcs> A quick search shows that device to be tricky booting from USB.
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<mint_> okay so it saw it when i popped the 64 bit installer on but it refused to boot
<mint_> just booted to windows
<mint_> i saw that it's possible to get linux to boot on it if you have a special efi file but haiku =/= linux
<jessicah> this might be where refind will help
<mint_> never heard of it
<jessicah> it's a uefi firmware app for booting multiple OSes
<mint_> ah, so it's like one of those apps for dualbooting
<jessicah> yeah
<mint_> how do i install it
<mint_> for reference, the computer is currently running windows 8.1, the only os this pc was designed to run on
<jessicah> it's got a section for windows
<mint_> alright
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<mint_> i'll probably only keep it temporarily maybe because i just wanna be able to boot the haiku installer
<mint_> idk if this thing will even run haiku in the first place considering the odd form factor so i mainly wanna test it first
<jessicah> I use it on my macbook air to triple boot windows, haiku and ubuntu :)
<mint_> main thing i'm concerned about is the tablet docking and undocking working properly
<mint_> alongside the touch
<mint_> and other misc driver things
<mint_> for example this tablet has the rather odd resolution of 1366x766
<mint_> not sure why the two pixels weren't used
<jessicah> should be okay if firmware sets it correctly at boot
<mint_> maybe
<repetitivestrain> is it possible to get a truetype font metric table from a BFont? (assuming it's a TrueType font, of course)
<mint_> this does look like a lil pain in the butt to setup though... looks like manual install is the only way to go
<mint_> also i'm doing this too because not only is this lil laptop not my main machine but it also has a puny amount of space
<mint_> 64GB built in
<repetitivestrain> something like GDI `GetFontData'
<mint_> it also only has an atom and 2gb of ram and i feel like while windows is nice on it something lighter would be nice
<jessicah> haiku ran pretty nice a long time ago on my asus eeepc
<mint_> i have no doubts that haiku will run on this just fine
<mint_> it's just the issue of getting into the installer
<mint_> looks like they have a cd-r image, could this theoretically work if i'm only gonna be using this tool once?
<mint_> i have a usb disc drive
<mrentropyvcs> mint_: 64GB of eMMC?
<jessicah> mint_: maybe
<mint_> yes, 64gb emmc iirc
<mint_> which is tiny
<mint_> at least for a full pc os
<mint_> especially one like windows
<mrentropyvcs> Haiku won't be able to see eMMC
<mint_> ?
<mrentropyvcs> Yeah, I have a Kodlix mini-PC with 32GB of eMMC. Windows wasn't even able to update due to lack of space.
<mint_> well
<mint_> idk if it's emmc
<mrentropyvcs> It's either 64GB eMMC or 64GB eMMC + 500 GB hard drive.
<mint_> it has an sd slot
<mint_> that's all the upgradability it has outside of probably taking it apart
<mint_> oh yeah that mini pc with 32gb mmc
<mint_> thats awful lol
<mint_> 32gb is nothin
<mrentropyvcs> So, Haiku doesn't see eMMC devices, so you'll be using the install media to try it out.
<mrentropyvcs> On the Kodlix, I cloned Windows to an M.2 drive and put Haiku on a SATA SSD.
<mint_> okay so
<mint_> i think i'll need to install refind first since while the cd image booted, it didn't work when i plugged both the usb and dvd drive into the computer with a usb hub
<linearcannon> mmu_man: ooh, i'll take a look in a bit
<linearcannon> i don't have a suitable dev env set up on my mac, need to get to that
<linearcannon> which means finding a spare drive so i can get a case-sensitive filesystem
<mint_> is there anything else i could also use instead of refind that might be easier to setup?
<mrentropyvcs> Not that I know of.
<rennj> besides disabling secure boot, how about you enable legacy boot in the bios/uefi
<mint_> that could work
<mmu_man> ah, Laurent Vivier has https://github.com/vivier/EMILE
<mmu_man> the official website's last news mentions a move to gitorious in 2008… eh
<mint_> so about that
<mint_> the transformer book
<mint_> doesn't support legacy boot
<mint_> apparently in rufus you're supposed to write the iso as uefi but for some reason the haiku iso i have only wants to write in dd mode
<mint_> it says it's an isohybrid but the creators didn't make it compatible with iso/file copy mode
<mint_> so i can't make it uefi, it forces bios
<mint_> i also tried etcher but that threw similar results
<mint_> so i'm not exactly sure if i'm doing something wrong or what
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<mint_> hmm
<mint_> i'm really trying to think about how i can go about this
<mint_> because my laptop lacks any sort of legacy boot
<mint_> and rufus won't write in iso mode
<linearcannon> i used to have a t100ta. i know i booted linux on it and i'm like 90% sure i also got haiku to boot, but i don't recall how, sorry :(
<linearcannon> i think i used clover as an efi bootloadr
<linearcannon> *bootloader
<mint_> clover?
<mint_> hmm
<mint_> how do you install it?
<mint_> i'm not seeing anything off the bat about it
<linearcannon> from windows, i have no clue (haven't used windows in years)
<mint_> ah
<mrentropyvcs> mint_: Maybe this will help? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fdv5BEg-ZE
<mint_> out of pure curiousity i tried to stick the bootia32.efi into the haiku usb next to bootx64.efi but all it gives me is a grub prompy
<mint_> *prompt
<mint_> bootia32.efi is what you'd use to get linux running on one of these devices
<rennj> haiku 32bit anyboot is what you using?
<mint_> 64bit
<mint_> because that's the only one my bios would see
<rennj> why not try the 32bit on the piece of junk
<mint_> i already did, bios didn't see it
<mint_> all it saw was the main drive
<rennj> xda forums on that craptop had the info
<rennj> its 32bit only of efi
<mint_> ?
<mint_> wdym
<mint_> when i tried the 32bit iso the stick didn't even appear in the bios
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<linearcannon> mmu_man: question. how much kludging would be involved in supporting the exact same machine, with two different processor architectures
<mmu_man> like, 68k & PPC ?
<linearcannon> i.e. my quadra 700 can be either a 68040 machine or a ppc601 machine and the rest of the system is otherwise identical - would supporting that be hacky?
<mmu_man> no idea, IIRC the PPC from that time doesn't even have OF so it'd need some custom loader code
<linearcannon> correct - anything apple before they implemented PCI did not have OF
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<linearcannon> so, Nubus powermacs also don't have OF
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<mmu_man> if OSX boots on those?
<mmu_man> hmm, attempting to call the ROM's SysError trap but it fails in BasiliskII
<linearcannon> be careful doing stuff with BasiliskII, it is really high level and inaccurate
<mint_> after doing a bit of research it seems like running linux on here is fairly easy but i'm still struggling with haiku as i'd rather run haiku on this than linux if possible for a few reasons
<mmu_man> SetApplBase doesn't crash OTOH since the rts after does return and it attempts to reload it
<linearcannon> mmu_man, if you have anything you want me to try on real hardware, just send me a disk image and i'll toss it in my quadra :)
<linearcannon> might even be able to finagle it so that macsbug is active
<mmu_man> I have one here but it'll probably be painful getting something on a floppy from a PC
<linearcannon> that's a non-issue for me at least
<mmu_man> hmm does QEMU support floppy for the q800 target
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<mint_> so i'm just wondering if installing haiku on here is even possible
<mint_> if it is then it seems like it'd be tough
<mmu_man> let's get QEMU's 3319 new commits
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<mint_> is haiku itself even uefi compatible
<linearcannon> yes
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<linearcannon> but the t100ta has a notoriously picky and broken uefi implementation
<mint_> yea
<mint_> so at this point idk what i'd need to do to get it running
<linearcannon> it won't even boot a windows installer
<mint_> yea
<mint_> any other suggestions or is it a lost cause?
<mmu_man> any firmware update available?
<mint_> not sure
<mint_> based on forum posts though it looks like it was never legacy boot compatible
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<mint_> so it's gonna be a big ol pain in the butt to install
<mint_> i'm just trying to think of things... i'm not very skilled yet with semi complex stuff like this
<mint_> trying to install a bootloader seems really complicated to me
<mint_> i'm better with guis
<mint_> my big issue is that my bios is uefi only and the haiku iso can only be written in dd mode, not iso
<mint_> uggg lol
<rennj> i tested 3 laptops and returned 2 of them, over lameness, like that asus t100. consumer choice, being an informed buyer or not, now you must suffer. asus wasnt so shitty in the 90's they actually so good ..tomshardware.com was founded over overclocking one of their motherboards
<mint_> i'd totally install this on something else but i don't have any other hardware
<mint_> it's surprisingly hard to find old PCs
<rennj> p55t2p4 i want to say was motherboard and overclocking that got tomshardware going
<mint_> also this laptop was given to me for free
<mint_> but i can't exactly find more PCs
<mint_> it's been hard
<mint_> not even thrift stores have given me any luck
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<rennj> college towns have pawn shops the kids sell their mom/dads paid for craptops... go find a college town
<mint_> college town?
<rennj> you know where the skool is
<rennj> school/skool..
<mint_> there's a few colleges near me
<rennj> end of year thinkpads and crapple galore
<rennj> so go looking there for hardware/pawnshops
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<rennj> pick up used craptop..some college kid sold at end of year for monies! cha ching...
<rennj> sing the doom song gir!
<rennj> thriftshops pawnshops ebay/craigslist ...used hardware vs new for the price
<rennj> i dumped 2 sparc 20s dual smp boxes at salvation army 20+ years ago..mailed 2 sgi's to person on irc cause i didnt want to send it to landfill
<rennj> 76lbs for like 30bucks usps... 2 sgi boxes
<rennj> indy and indigo2 sold impact
<rennj> solid impact..not high impact
<linearcannon> man i wish i had an indigo2 impact
<linearcannon> i've got an indy r4000 with XZ graphics
<mint_> i really want one of those old beige box pcs
<linearcannon> mint_ what sort of specs
<rennj> i had like 2 tuners, 1 in vcr, and brooktree in the beos box
<rennj> 21 inch viewsonic monitor was the crown jewel
<rennj> 1600x1200@60hz or so..from 1995 to 2005 ...
<mint_> wdym linear
<rennj> but the sgi o2 and o2+ i had i sold to reputable.com
<linearcannon> like hypothetically, if you had your choice of anything between like... a 486sx, and pentium iii 1100, in an old beige box, what would you want
<rennj> i would want a modern box..i could run vmware on
<linearcannon> ahhh
<rennj> mame runs irix now
<mint_> uhhh
<rennj> qemu-sparc,temlib can do sun sparc
<mint_> i don't know much about them but preferrably something suitable from the 98/Me/2000 era, maybe XP
<rennj> beos could be the main box
<linearcannon> two relatively recent photos from my living room, plus some stuff not pictured in those... https://imgur.com/a/jUUDQQg
<mint_> but like
<mint_> yea
<mint_> something that i can use to run pc games from the late 90s/early 00s
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<rennj> i run them in vmware on linux now
<rennj> vmware has 3d acceleration
<rennj> https://pasteboard.co/JNyjeRS.png projectzomboid my suv habit
<rennj> and this is 2015 15watt amd craptop
<rennj> not modern at all..im running those gameso n
<rennj> my amd ryzen laptop purchase will be 35watt 8core/16 thread monster...probably pay over $1500 for
<mint_> i just want something from that time
<rennj> https://pasteboard.co/H6g5tVT.png kings quest3 dosbox
<rennj> winblows is the hog vm
<rennj> vmware can run osX also, but i found it to be dog slow
<rennj> got to hack the vmware-vmx binary for support..since they dont want you running it normally
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<rennj> lugging around 4 sgi's 2 sun sparc 20's and 2 pc's plus 75lb 21" viewsonic ps...was not practical
<mint_> i want an sgi someday
<rennj> 1 laptop could replace that
<rennj> mame/irix probably save you the buyers remorse
<rennj> you want to experience the sgi/irix..just do it in software on modern hardware
<mint_> yea
<linearcannon> irix in MAME is incredibly slow...
<rennj> why run it?
<mint_> i just wanna find another place in my area where i could find cheapo old laptops or desktops, maybe something even free
<rennj> playing an mp3 on that old hardware would be an issue..
<rennj> like on sun boxes i played .au file wav--->.au
<rennj> mp3 probably peg the cpu's
<rennj> lauching netscape navigator eat the color pallet up, without vram option
<rennj> going to have buyers remorse for sure
<rennj> but i wasnt retro computer... i had sun,hp,sgi at work, maybe 5 years later had at home
<rennj> still was junk compared to wintel hardware
<rennj> wintel caught up to sun,hp,sgi end of 90's
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<rennj> nos·tal·gia - a sentimental longing or wistful affection for the past, typically for a period or place with happy personal associations.
<rennj> why i bought the junk late 90's early 2000's
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<rennj> but i had buyers remorse on performance...
<mint_> i'm still trying to think of ways i can install haiku on this lil laptop
<mint_> i somehow need to get around the fact that the haiku image doesn't seem to like being written as uefi
<rennj> you need to remaster the iso
<mint_> ?
<mint_> wdym
<rennj> is my guess..if its not in proper format for rufus or whatever
<mint_> rufus complains that it's not iso/file copy
<mint_> insists on writing in dd
<rennj> or make sure to flash the firmware on that craptop to latest
<mint_> which forces legacy boot
<mint_> i'd have to look to see if it's the newest one
<rennj> genisoimage/xorriso whatever
<mint_> genisoimage?
<rennj> course you have to learn about haiku iso to begin with
<rennj> isohybrid/genisoimage/xorriso
<Skipp_OSX> is there anybody here who understands how supported apps work with rdefs ?
<mint_> yes the iso has isohybrid
<rennj> or perhaps run haiku.iso on different computer and install to usb dongle..for that asus craptop
<mint_> ?
<mint_> i have a haiku vm
<rennj> why not a baremetal haiku os on a usb dongle..to test on other computers
<mint_> so i'd install it to the actual usb?
<rennj> do the haiku boot and install to usb device on a working computer..and move that usb device to that asus craptop for booting.
<mint_> ah
<rennj> i have no clue..im just guessing
<mint_> i didn't think of that
<rennj> or try refind/ventoy boot of that usb dongle from asus once you know it good on 1 computer..
<exit70[m]> rennj: why not just use the iso
<rennj> the uefi on the asus transformer laptop is 32bit crapola without legacy bios/csm
<mint_> ^
<mint_> this device has a horrible bios
<mint_> so i just tried to do ventoy boot
<mint_> spat this error
<exit70[m]> how would a “middle ware” help though. i thought haiku has no ia-32 efi loader only an x64 one
<mint_> no bootfile found for uefi
<exit70[m]> not sure about non-x86
<mint_> "maybe the image doesn't support ia32 uefi
<mint_> "
<mint_> lemme try the 32 bit iso
<mint_> same error
<exit70[m]> it does not contain an ia-32 efi loader when i tried earlier this week
<mint_> anything i can do?
<mint_> i know bootia32 exists but when i tried it it threw me to a grub prompt
<mint_> at least without ventoy
<mint_> lemme just try to install it to the usb using my vm
<mint_> and try that
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<mint_> well that didn't work
<mint_> :/
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<mint_> is haiku just straight up not gonna work on this
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<mint_> ;) things really aren't going my way
<mint_> i tried to install it onto a hard drive so i can boot it using that but it doesn't see it either
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<extrowerk> 32 bit definetely won't work in uefi mode
<extrowerk> uefi is only available as booting method in the 64 bit images
<extrowerk> only.
<extrowerk> also ventoy can't boot haiku from iso
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<extrowerk> moin Bega.
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<extrowerk> Hi Diver. Can you give a status report about traveling / tourism in russia for foreigners?
<Begasus> hi extrowerk !
<Begasus> long time no talk :)
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<extrowerk> Begasus: yeah, i moved in june and since may i am buried under a huge number of tasks in my job.
<extrowerk> So i basically had no time for anything computering.
<Begasus> Keeps you busy then
<extrowerk> and when i had/have time i better got to hiking than sitting in a room.
<Begasus> did you manage to get in contact with the guy from libpurple?
<extrowerk> me?
<Begasus> agreed :)
<Begasus> yeah, wanted to upstream your patch there
<extrowerk> did i wanted to get in contact with anybody from libpurple?
<extrowerk> oh
<extrowerk> no, nope, i did nothing
<Begasus> he even stepped in a while back to ask which name should be used for the credit
<extrowerk> did i made any patches for libpurple? can't recall... but maybe.
<extrowerk> whatever, he could write haikuports team or smth
<Begasus> small harmless patch
<Begasus> biab ... dogs :)
<extrowerk> will try to not forget to contact him if it is still necessary.
<extrowerk> my project will end next week, and then i can get some weeks vacation. i plan to start the Kék-tour, which is a long hiking trail in Hungary. The whole roundtrip is 2700 km. i hope i can do it in 4 years if i can use only the weekends.
<Begasus> whoot!
<extrowerk> wow, thumbnail generation works in tracker
<extrowerk> it took a bit time till they showed up first, but now it is ok
<Begasus> already part of Haiku?
<Begasus> didn't ran accross it
<extrowerk> it is already merged
<extrowerk> yesterday or so
<extrowerk> but only for still images it seems
<extrowerk> would be nice for movies too
<Begasus> can't update, but then probably only in nightly images I presume
<extrowerk> btw you have to enable the thumbnail generation in the tracker settings
<extrowerk> yep, it is in nightly
<Begasus> thought so, no biggy here, but nice to see it working
<extrowerk> as i wrote it took a bit time to get them show up, there was no indication of any progress, i thought it doesn1t work, then they just popped up.
<extrowerk> after the generation of thumbnails it is quick
<extrowerk> i don't see any slowdowns
<extrowerk> the thumbnails gets generated ad-hoc if you open a folder containing images, the thumbnails stored as attributes
<extrowerk> the tthumbs shows up even in the drill-down menus and in the open panel too.
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JEK1U
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 93ce7b4 - xmlroff, revbump for newer libffi (#6162)
<Begasus> tqh, around?
<Begasus> seems that buildmaster is stuck on the latest changes for gcc?
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<Coldfirex> anybody around to troubleshoot why an update to Poorman I am working on fails to build on 32bit?
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [hrev55362] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=c7bd3e69fae9+%5Ecaa2b52eaa9d
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] c7bd3e69fae9 - Tracker: fix generating filename on duplicate
<Coldfirex> nm, got it going
<Begasus> nice :)
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<Begasus> err ... that was buildaster is still stuck/on hold on the latest change to python39: https://build.haiku-os.org/buildmaster/master/x86_64/logviewer.html?buildruns/5972/builds/75712.log
<Coldfirex> does the process need to be restarted somehow>
<Coldfirex> ?
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<Coldfirex> dumb question: is there a way to test serialconnect if running Haiku virtualized?
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<Begasus> I think it was possible to grab serial debug output from VBox
<rennj> im sure qemu,vbox,vmware probably has uart device support
<rennj> least vmware does..when doing the guest vm config
<rennj> vmware could be assigned a real physical or virtual looks like
<Coldfirex> Begasus: I no vboc writes to a serial file (virtualized device). Are you saying serialconnect can connect to that?
<Coldfirex> *know vbox
<Begasus> no idea Coldfirex
<rennj> You can connect a virtual serial port to a physical serial port on the host computer.
<rennj> You can connect a virtual serial port to a file on the host computer.
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<Begasus> bbl
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<turbotum> Hello! Does anyone by any chance have the .zip with the broadcom 43xx drivers? The download script is currently broken for some reason... Sorry to bother you all!
<turbotum> It seems the install-wifi-firmwares.sh and the provided Windows .bat script are unable to obtain "wl_apsta-3.130.20.0.o" and possibly more files
<turbotum> Wait, script succeeded but still no access points in NetworkStatus
<turbotum> Hrm..
<turbotum> So yeah even after successfully running the .sh script without error, no access points appearing
<turbotum> Device reports BCM43224
<turbotum> Supposedly it should be supported
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<countryboy> i apologize ...
<countryboy> 4 all : xD
<turbotum> thank u
<countryboy> peace peace peace ...
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<countryboy> you are wellcome : turbotum
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<Coldfirex> Ive never used wireless in Haiku, but can you manually type in your ssid to try to connect?
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<turbotum> Nope
<turbotum> I'll mess with it tomorrow though, gonna get some sleep
<turbotum> Night all
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<jmairboeck> I did it! I have about 120 texlive packages: http://0x0.st/-tdu.png
<jmairboeck> I will push my changes shortly
<B2IA> (AGMS) Yes, Coldfirex, in VirtualBox you can have serial write to a file. I often do that and have a host window open running "tail -F" on that file, so it scrolls by in real time.
<mmu_man> yeah
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<jmairboeck> a quick question about post-install scripts: when are they executed? at the end of the transaction (like %posttrans scripts in RPM). As there is no real "installation" of packages per se, this would make sense to me (and would be perfect for the usecase in texlive)
<jmairboeck> currently, only the main texlive_texmf package has a post-install script. Ideally this should be be added to all "runtime" subpackages, but still only executed once when multiple are installed in one transaction. Would that be possible?
<Niklas[m]> Can anyone explain to me why WebPositive on Beta 2 scores more points on http://html5test.com than Beta 3?It looks like Beta 2 supported some form field types that have been removed for Beta 3,all other points are equal.
<extrowerk> BCM43224 is not supported.
<extrowerk> Niklas[m]: maybe a change in the webkit codebase? could you check safari?
<Niklas[m]> I can check WebKit2GTK
<Niklas[m]> It has overall more points than WebPositive,but for the form field types,it's better than Beta 3 but still not as good as Beta 2.That's weird.
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<Niklas[m]> Now I upgraded the Beta 3 machine with Software Updater and lost another 3 points
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<Niklas[m]> Beta 2 and Midori (GTK) support Scripting -> ECMAScript 6 -> Modules which Beta 3 just removed by the latest update.Also Beta 2 supported form field types date,month and time which Beta 3 and Midori don't have.However,Midori supports datalist and color as form field types which no Haiku version supports.
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<a32bitmint> aight so
<a32bitmint> i installed refind
<a32bitmint> but now i don't know how to boot the haiku usb using it
<countryboy> f12 ?
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<countryboy> bios => legacy boot => save reboot => f12 boot menu => usb
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<a32bitmint> this machine doesn't do legacy boot
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<Niklas[m]> Ah,the Beta 2 -> Beta 3 WebKit update is interesting.I wrote a small test file with text,date,time and month input fields now to check if Beta 2 really supported it while Beta 3 doesn't.In reality,the date,time and month input fields were totally broken in Beta 2 while they appear like a normal text field in Beta 3 so Beta 3 is in fact a improvement.
<Begasus> jmairboeck, great job on splitting up texlive packages, should run a new build now to check things out :)
<Begasus> buildmaster still on hold :(
<Begasus> jmairboeck, post-install scripts are executed after install, make sure they are executable up front though
<jmairboeck> what does "after install" mean? after that specific package is installed (i.e. activated) or after all packages in the current transaction? RPM for example distinguishes between %post scripts and %posttrans scripts
<jmairboeck> but I am not sure if that distinction even makes sense in Haiku because packages are not really "installed" in the classical sense
<Begasus> activated afaik
<jmairboeck> for texlive, we would need %posttrans behaviour (speaking in RPM terms), and I think this is already the case now, but I just wanted to make sure
<jmairboeck> and the second question: can the post-install script be added to all runtime subpackages (under the same name) and will it then only be executed once when multiple are installed at once, and does the post-install script need to be part of the package or can it also refer to a dependency (i.e. the main texlive_texmf package) which contains the script?
<Begasus> Your changes to the recipe and subpackages are way beyond my skills, can only check now :)
<jmairboeck> I used some perl scripts to generate parts of the recipe
<jmairboeck> but beware, I am a complete noob in perl, I literally googled "perl tutorial" before starting to write those scripts ;)
<Begasus> ;)
<jmairboeck> I hope they meet the quality standards of Haiku :)
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<jmairboeck> but I don't think there is much perl code up to now in Haiku or HaikuPorts
<jmairboeck> but using perl is probably the easiest for this nevertheless, because it utilises the API for the texlive package database and doesn't need to parse that by hand
<Begasus> no one has ever gone that way, so it's a wip
<Begasus> k, will check the latest changes (on 32bit), will take some time though ;)
<jmairboeck> no problem, take your time :)
<jmairboeck> I will have a bit less time from now on anyway, because my "vacation" is over and the "real work" starts again tomorrow. Back to writing software for Windows again, in C# ...
<Begasus> np, don't have that much time during the week also, hardly get to my laptop(s) ;)
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<nekobot> [haiku/buildtools] tqh pushed 1 commit to master [btrev43171] - https://git.haiku-os.org/buildtools/log/?qt=range&q=5cccbfddbae2+%5Edcd0415ded94
<nekobot> [haiku/buildtools] 5cccbfddbae2 - aarch64-haiku config, remove file_end_indicate_exec_stack
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<a32bitmint> alright so what i figured out is this
<a32bitmint> haiku can't be installed on the laptop ;D
<a32bitmint> not only have i tried everything to get it booted, but it has emmc storage
<a32bitmint> which i was told haiku doesn't support
<bronzie94[m]> VM time…
<a32bitmint> yep
<a32bitmint> i really want some old pc box though to run haiku or older windows on
<bronzie94[m]> I just got a core 2 duo usdt for $30 - works great. 2.9 GHz 4 GB, 300 GB hdd
<a32bitmint> nice
<a32bitmint> if i ever got one of those old pcs for haiku or older windows i'd want something from like the late 90s
<a32bitmint> maybe early 2000s
<a32bitmint> beige box
<bronzie94[m]> They are getting a bit harder to find in working order. I have 3… All worked 10 years ago, none do now. Will have to Frankenstein one back together ;)
<a32bitmint> i mean
<bronzie94[m]> Nice tho!
<a32bitmint> doesn't have to be a beige box
<a32bitmint> just something from that era
<a32bitmint> maybe a bit later, like around 04-06
<Begasus> Got a big tower here from late 90's, beige (due to smoking) :P
<a32bitmint> lol
<a32bitmint> yeesh
<a32bitmint> better clean it
<Begasus> but not working :P
<bronzie94[m]> Eeek! Reminds me of a friends Mac I had to in-gum
<bronzie94[m]> Un
<a32bitmint> it'd just be nice if i could find one of those pcs or just any old desktop tower to mess with but they're surprisingly hard for me to find
<Begasus> either the mobo or the power is dead on that one (after switching laptop I didn't really used it)
<Begasus> should still have an install for R5 and ZETA on it (I think) :P
<bronzie94[m]> Goodwill stores occasionally hide treasures
<a32bitmint> i've been to like
<a32bitmint> 5 goodwills
<a32bitmint> closest i ever found was an old xbox original for $30 with no cables
<a32bitmint> lmao
<bronzie94[m]> It’s a patience game. ESP these days.
<bronzie94[m]> Lol
<a32bitmint> maybe i should ask some of my neighbors if they have any old pcs lol
<bronzie94[m]> Worth a try
<a32bitmint> perhaps
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<a32bitmint> lol
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<countryboy> a32bitmint: ebay ?
<countryboy> a P4 tower ...
<a32bitmint> most of the stuff i see on ebay is really expensive
<a32bitmint> or like
<a32bitmint> idk
<a32bitmint> $60-80 for old computers like the ones i see doesn't seem worth iot
<a32bitmint> *it
<B2IA> (AGMS) jmairboeck, package install scripts get run near the end of the install (or at next boot for default packages in fresh OS installs). You'll have to put a script in with each of your subpackages that does magic. Perhaps have them fire off a secondary isolated (stdin, stdout redirected to /dev/null) script with a time delay, and check before firing it off that it isn't already running. Then hopefully everything will be
<B2IA> installed before the time delay runs out, and you can do your special update.
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<Niklas[m]> I have a stupid question: Is that beep when I plug or unplug the power cable of my laptop made by Haiku or could it come directly from the hardware,too?Because we talked about audio not working a few weeks ago and I tried it again today and it still doesn't work but I noticed that the beep works.
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<B2IA> (AGMS) That's probably your laptop's BIOS doing the beep. Is there a slot for a power on/off sound effect in the Sounds preferences?
<Diver> Niklas[m]: Haiku doesn't produce any sounds
<B2IA> (AGMS) I don't see one here, but then it's not a laptop.
<Niklas[m]> No,there are no sounds set in Sounds preferences
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<Niklas[m]> I guess it's the BIOS then...
<B2IA> (AGMS) Hmmm, nothing for battery in the sounds contest, though there is one for device connected. https://www.haiku-os.org/news/2020-12-07-contest-results/
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<jmairboeck> AGMS: I thought whether it would do "the right thing" if I put the same script as a post-install script into all the packages. The only thing is, it should only be executed once, not multiple times when multiple of these packages are installed in the same transaction. It wouldn't harm when the script is executed multiple times but it would be redundant (and time-consuming).
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<jmairboeck> From a filesystem perspective, the script would only be visible once of course because it has the same name. But is it executed once for every package where it is contained or each script file in the boot/post-install directory just once?
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<B2IA> (AGMS) jmairboeck, it would be executed once for each package installed. Thus my suggestion for a fired off separate script.
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<jmairboeck> ok, thanks
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<Begasus> heading down here, g'night peeps
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<B2IA> (AGMS-Cottage) My bash scripting to see if a process is already running, jmairboeck:
<B2IA> (AGMS-Cottage:) AGMS-Cottage:
<B2IA> (AGMS-Cottage) ProcessList=`ps` # Don't pipe output directly to grep, would detect grep itself.
<B2IA> (AGMS-Cottage) ProcessCount=`grep YourScriptNameHere <<< "$ProcessList" | wc --lines`
<B2IA> (AGMS-Cottage) echo "Checking if already running, process count is $ProcessCount""
<B2IA> (AGMS-Cottage) if [ $ProcessCount -gt 1 ]
<B2IA> (AGMS-Cottage) then
<B2IA> (AGMS-Cottage) echo "$0 is already running, won't start up a redundant copy.""
<B2IA> (AGMS-Cottage) exit
<B2IA> (AGMS-Cottage) fi
<jmairboeck> thanks, AGMS-Cottage, I'll try that (maybe next weekend)
<B2IA> (AGMS-Cottage) Hope it helps.
<jmairboeck> I have added a comment to the pull-request that this is not yet resolved
<jmairboeck> It is currently marked "wip-no-merge" anyway. Sorry Anarchos (or any other potential users of texlive), this will take a bit longer until it works correctly ...
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<Edge_Connector> Hi all. I'm looking for folks who have run Haiku on a laptop and had a great experience. I've seen a few compatible laptops listed but I'm hoping to find a recommendation from someone with real experience.
<Niklas[m]> I have two laptops with Haiku.
<Edge_Connector> How well do they work for you? Would you recommend using them to showcase it?
<Edge_Connector> Might I ask which models?
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<Niklas[m]> The Lenovo 3000 N200 is the bigger one.It works fine,all drivers are working but Wifi is a bit unstable (it disconnects every few minutes).You can workaround that by using Ethernet cable.
<Niklas[m]> The Acer TravelMate B117 is smaller and newer.It works pretty good,too.Wifi is stable here but Audio doesn't work (Intel HD Audio,may get fixed some day).
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<Edge_Connector> Thanks.
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<Dusan_Krehel> i work on article,where code will of test n. 1 of https://krehel.sk/the-slow-work-with-memory-in-haiku/
<Dusan_Krehel> if its will final, i come here and i share link
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<Skipp_OSX> I need some help. The way I understand it you add a resource file_types message { "types" = "signature" }; to an ref file to add support for that application to be able to handle that type. Unfortunately, this is not working for me. As I cycle through the supported apps nothing comes up. I further observed that for example WebPositive has a "types" entry for "application/x-vnd.Be.URL.file" but if I look in FileTypes under z
<Skipp_OSX> "File URL" WebPositive is not listed as a Preferred application
<Skipp_OSX> *rdef not ref
<Skipp_OSX> is there a way perhaps to rebuild the mime db ?
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<Skipp_OSX> if I try to set the "File URL" type (sig: application/x-vnd.Be.URL.file) Preferred application to WebPositive FileTypes says: "The application 'WebPositive' does not support this file type. Are you sure you want to set it anyway?" Same thing for my app on a different type.
<Coldfirex_> sorry, no se'
<Skipp_OSX> This has been holding me back for a while but I don't understand enough about it to know what's wrong.
<Skipp_OSX> seems like the file_types message resource is not getting read in when the app starts
<Coldfirex_> So I just updated the arch_elf.h headers and used my normal git commit process but they dont show up in Gerrit. Where did they go?
<Skipp_OSX> If I go to Application types window and Edit WebPositive I can see "File URL" in the list of supported types, same for my apps and my type. So it is reading the file_types message, the problem is somewhere else.
<rennj> addattr copyattr settype setmime mimeset
<rennj> i think its mimeset
<rennj> course that beos, not sure about haiku
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<Skipp_OSX> rennj: You did it~
<Skipp_OSX> mimeset -F was needed
<rennj> cant search the beos bible.pdf probably has it in there
<rennj> pdf with no txt
<rennj> see the mimeset -F
<rennj> xicon was good app
<rennj> used it all the time
<rennj> xicon lets you run scripts from Tracker icons
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<rennj> $ chmod +x my_script
<rennj> $ addattr BEOS:PREF_APP application/x-xicon my_script
<rennj> $ settype -t text/x-script.xicon my_script
<rennj> $ rmattr BEOS:FILE_TYPES my_script
<rennj> hey scripting was also nice, i had vcr app launch record shows and shutdown using hey
<rennj> "hey"
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<rennj> all from cron, unattended
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<exit70[m]> i want to build a dual slot 1 or dual socket 370 for be r5 intel
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<rennj> you think you do, till you have buyers remorse..what you going to use for software?
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<rennj> bebits is gone
<rennj> firefox ancient version is dead on modern internet
<rennj> better to just use haiku at this point..its same experience
<rennj> It’s good to know that BeBits won’t get lost in time like all the other BeOS community websites, and that it will continue to be the centre of the BeOS Haiku community.
<rennj> haha
<zdykstra> Hah :(
<exit70[m]> bebytes and http://pulkomandy.tk/~beosarchive/
<exit70[m]> haiku is good but i need a reference for old be software
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<exit70[m]> i am know modern internet is heavyweight and requires newer tls but i don’t particularly care about that when using a vintage system
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<rennj> i suppose if 32bit haiku suppose to be backward compatable with beos, you could just use haikudepot binaries on beos perhaps
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