<jt15s[m]>
I asked this earlier but it seems no one saw it: does Haiku have support for emoji?
<jt15s[m]>
s/seems//, s/it//
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<Begasus>
no ideu jt15s[m]
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<Begasus>
getting the hang on adding remotes to one haikuports tree :)
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<jessicah>
morning Begasus
<Begasus>
morning jessicah :)
<jessicah>
:)
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<nephele[m]>
nice begasus :D
<nephele[m]>
jt15s: what do you mean precisely with the question?
<Begasus>
nice? nephele[m]
<Begasus>
typo ? :)
<nephele[m]>
Begasus: with regards to "getting the hang of remotes" :)
<Begasus>
ah :)
<Begasus>
cloned haikuports into another local "sandbox"
<jt15s[m]>
nephele: What I mean is, can you input emoji using Haiku?
<jt15s[m]>
And will emoji render in apps that use it?
<Begasus>
that has 4 remotes already (so no need to clone them individual any more)
<nephele[m]>
jt15s: yes. no.
<nephele[m]>
Yes Haiku supports "normal" emoji fonts, by this i mean black & White emoji fonts, like "Noto Emoji" Haiku does not support "colored" emoji fonts like "Noto Color Emoji"
<nephele[m]>
Yes emoji will render, if the app /explicitly/ requests the emoji font and it is installed. They will not render if the app does not request the emoji font explictily
<nephele[m]>
Yes you can input emoji on Haiku, no we don't have a virtual keyboard for this :)
<jt15s[m]>
Ah ok
<jt15s[m]>
So yes, black and white emoji, but no to colour emoji and no input panel for emoji.
<jt15s[m]>
Got it
<Begasus>
°_0
<nephele[m]>
Basically two tasks (or three) you probably want, first is that the font fallback needs to be more flexible to consider all installed fonts (or we add Noto Emoji to the list aswell).
<nephele[m]>
Second is that we dont have a "normal" way to input them
<jt15s[m]>
I suppose we can add emoji to the virtual keyboard that's WIP instead of having a separate input panel like Windows does
<nephele[m]>
in effect, we don't even ship noto emoji, many "web" emoji only work because they are contained inside noto symbols or noto symbols 2, not in noto emoji
<jt15s[m]>
Ah ok, might be worth considering shipping Noto Emoji then
<nephele[m]>
We could but... almost nobody uses virtual keyboards, it is unlikely they will discover this
<jt15s[m]>
Yeah true
<jt15s[m]>
Or we could just do what Windows does and have an emoji input panel
<nephele[m]>
Honestly, I don't see the point that much... but then Noto Emoji is only black and white, and not that big, so it would be "okay" to ship in my book
<nephele[m]>
Feel free to open a ticket if you want, in this case however, if it is shipped, we should (for now) definetely add it to the explicit fallback list (src/servers/app/font/GlyphLayoutEngine.h:342 in case you are interested)
<nephele[m]>
just adding "Noto Emoji" as an entry below would suffice
<nephele[m]>
jt15s: also to consider, qt apps use a different font rendering codepath and will display emoji if installed
<jt15s[m]>
Ah ok
<nephele[m]>
(also users already complain about the size of font packages from noto we ship... though, we might consider trying to cut them down a bit, noto CJK for instance ships a useless adobe font for ASCII chars we don't need, and Noto Sans Display also ships a lot of font weights that are... not that usefull (Like "Thin Italic"), maybe we can ship less font weights by default)
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<jt15s[m]>
nephele: Well to be fair, Noto is the only font we ship - but yeah, Noto Sans Display is pretty much Noto Sans but more for display purposes and Noto CJK sounds pretty useless too so we can cut those
<Begasus>
jadedctrl, awake?
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<Begasus>
how do you export a svg image to iom in iom? ;)
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JKCJw
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] LordOfDragons d16f8d1 - fixed issue with implicit casting of nullptr to function pointers (#6276)
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<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-2/±0] https://git.io/JKCsP
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 7e6f7f9 - libpurple, bump version (#6277)
<nephele[m]>
jt15s: noto is not only one font, it's a big array of fonts
<jt15s[m]>
nephele: Yeah, I know - should have phrased that message to say it's the only font *family* we shi[
<jt15s[m]>
s/*family*/_family_/, s/shi[/ship/
<nephele[m]>
I can understand why some users might not like that we deliberately ship japanese and chinese fonts when they don't use them, but i think that is the right thing to do regardless :)
<jt15s[m]>
Windows ships like 200 font families lol
<nephele[m]>
we also ship some bitmap fonts i think?
<jt15s[m]>
Yes, it is the right thing to do to have support for all languages.
<jt15s[m]>
A unified, preloaded IME would be good too
<nephele[m]>
We don't support all languages really, i agree with shipping a IME
<jt15s[m]>
Cause I was watching a Japanese YouTuber reviewing Haiku
<jt15s[m]>
And they had no idea how to type in Japanese
<nephele[m]>
I think we still ship Dejavu fonts and bitstream charter too?
<jt15s[m]>
Because info on IMEs is not in the official user guide
<nephele[m]>
The thing is... we do support "normal" japanese keyboards, with a KANA switch key
<nephele[m]>
afaik anyhow, but this only works with specific keyboards, those also have japanese labels in addition to latin/english ones
<jt15s[m]>
Ah ok
<nephele[m]>
(and actually have the kana key)
<jt15s[m]>
The YouTuber probably had a different keyboard type
<nephele[m]>
Seeing as i don't live in japan i have no idea how common those keyboards are, but yes, we should definetely support inputting japanese characters via an IME in the standard install
<nephele[m]>
as to your comment above: Noto CJK is not useless, and we definetely can't "cut" it
<nephele[m]>
CJK stands for Chinese Japanese Korean :)
<nephele[m]>
It's just that this font ships some adobe font inside it for ASCII/Latin /Latin extended characters, which we don't need because we have Noto Sans
<nephele[m]>
Noto Sans Display is nice for stuff like window titles indeed, the question is whether we need all of it's "weights" in the default install
<nephele[m]>
there is also stuff like bold, extrabold, black, thin, light, extralight.. do we need all of those?
<Begasus>
but I also see files at haikuports (the rdef files) accompanied by *.iom files
<nephele[m]>
I'm not quite sure what your question was above, if you can open it you can save it as iom file
<Begasus>
save/export as iom file yes
<nephele[m]>
.iom is the "source" as in the icon with the paths labeled and such
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<nephele[m]>
rdef usually only has the array with all path information excluded, so just the pure rendering relevant stuff
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<Begasus>
they can be used into the recipes, mostly some of the iom files are there in case someone wants to edit them
<Begasus>
lol
<nephele[m]>
They could be, if the translate kit got support for doing iom->rdef automatically, but it's usually not required anyhow
<Begasus>
just saving as *.iom works (doesn't have to be to hard always) :P
<Begasus>
creating the rdef is only a matter of exporting them to it, so no issue there
<nephele[m]>
:)
<julicenri>
nephele[m]: I've come across websites in the past that do use the other font weights that Noto provides.
<julicenri>
Don't think that it'd be a good idea to cut those either, as the last thing Haiku needs is to not display even more websites incorrectly due to missing font weights.
<julicenri>
Er, I mean Haiku displaying websites more incorrectly due to missing font weights.
<nephele[m]>
julicenri: I suppose it depends on whether it /really/ matters if we make a distinction between extrabold or black for instance
<nephele[m]>
or thin, extralight, light.
<nephele[m]>
in any case, we can also not ship those per default but let them be installable later, if we want to
<julicenri>
Those font weights can look quite distinct from each other at certain sizes.
<julicenri>
Light and ExtraLight or Thin are for example are noticably distinguishable from each other at smaller and larger sizes.
<julicenri>
Thin at around 9 pt or lower is barely visible, while Light and ExtraLight are still fairly readable.
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<julicenri>
Additionally, font weights + italic are useful in applications that do not explicitly provide italic as an option.
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<Begasus>
bbl
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JKCMY
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] diversys 33401a3 - mesa: switch build type to debugoptimized
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<jt15s[m]>
nephele: Ah, okay - from your initial message I got the impression that Noto CJK was just shipping the Adobe font haha
<jt15s[m]>
But yeah we definitely can't cut CJK
<jessicah>
is canna still a working IME? I can't recall if it was Japanese only or not
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<Anarchos>
IlFelice: hello
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<shaka444[m]>
Anybody have any luck with audio on a Macbook Pro?
<Anarchos>
shaka444[m]: sorry, i never had an apple computer
<mrentropyvcs>
I've never gotten Haiku to boot on my MBP.
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<shaka444[m]>
I'm on a MBP right now, Haiku x64 installed as only OS on Hard drive. Almost everything working perfectly except audio and wifi (I can live without wifi as NIC works..)
<mrentropyvcs>
Is it possible to do printing over the network?
<countryboy>
ok, ...
<countryboy>
used scanner with sanity ... ok
<countryboy>
installed libreoffice ... ok
<countryboy>
written a doc with writer + insert a picture ... ok
<countryboy>
only 1 problem : haiku doesn't print from libreoffice
<countryboy>
but printed an image from imageviewer ... ok
<Anarchos>
countryboy: maybe you could print to pdf and send the pdf to printer ?
<countryboy>
trying ...
<Anarchos>
countryboy: i have 3/4 PC spare, i will do a haiku network with them... to try boot PXE and remote desktop...
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<countryboy>
ok, it saves in ps but doesn't print and cannot find .ps file ...
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<countryboy>
np
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<countryboy>
ok ... exported from libreoffice writer to pdf ...
<countryboy>
used export ...
<countryboy>
opened with pdf viewer ... ok
<countryboy>
print : it says ... no page to print
<countryboy>
printed a test page under stilededit ... ok
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<countryboy>
... stylededit ...
<cocobean>
countryboy: Print PDF through Wifi/Ethernet (IPP) to printer target?
<countryboy>
now it is in usb ... better ...
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<nephele[m]>
juliencenri: they are not the same, yes. but the question is still whether they neccesarily should be in the default install, it certainly is simplest to just ship what noto does however (though seperation weights should be fairly easy the way noto ships them)
<nephele[m]>
from a simplicity standpoint removing italic and using the sheer rendering instead could also work, but that might look worse. though it depends how the fonts are made initially i suppose
<waddlesplash>
nephele[m]: we have mozc in the depot for Japanese IME
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<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/JKW6k
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] korli 8f70087 - c-ares: bump version
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<roiredX>
good day
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<nephele[m]>
Is there a commandline client for netservices?
<nephele[m]>
in essence, fetch or wget, but using the netservices? (So i can get the same document back)
<Anarchos>
there is wget or curl ?
<nephele[m]>
those don't really satisfy the requirement of using netservices :)
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<mmu_man>
Ok, back on my T510, moved the old install to and SSD and merged whatever stuff I did on the W541 back to it, so I can send this crap back.
<rennj>
the crap being the w541?
<mmu_man>
yeah
<mmu_man>
still need to finish writing the blog post about it
<Anarchos>
long time no see mmu_man !
<rennj>
Intel Core i7-4910MQ CPU, Nvidia's Quadro K2100M GPU, 8 GB memory, a 512 GB Solid State Drive, a 3K IPS display as well as an integrated X-Rite colorimeter.
<mmu_man>
Anarchos: you didn't look, I was here all along :p
<Anarchos>
mmu_man: i saw you "there", but i didn't saw you "speaking there" ;)
<mmu_man>
rennj: well, nvidia, and all that's not mentioned in the specs
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<rennj>
remote desktop irix apps was same deal for long time, cause the opengl extensions x11 didnt have that only sgi irix had at the time...use to suck
<rennj>
hey Deskbar quit hah
<Skipp_OSX>
caused by a replicant ... (I hope)
<rennj>
insturctions on remote_desktop client vs server
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JKWxh
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<Legended>
So has something bad happened with users not able to connect to repositories?
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<Legended>
I should say.. haiku beta 3 installs and boots just fine on aspire one d250
<Legended>
Audio works yay
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<jessicah>
I haven't had any issues with pkgman
<Legended>
Wifi is not working. It recognizes and connects but can't load google.. repository doesn't connect
<Legended>
Operation would block.
<jessicah>
have you checked the network preflet to make sure the settings are correct?
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<Legended>
Oh shyte
<jessicah>
I've had random issues with wifi on my machine too, sometimes it just doesn't want to connect, or APs disappear
<jessicah>
a reboot sometimes makes it work better
<Legended>
Ping works to Google.
<Legended>
But no website loads. Repository doesn't connect etc.
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<Legended>
Traceroute looks like spectrum has a hacker somewhere along tbone
<jessicah>
I don't know what might be wrong then
<jessicah>
does curl work?
<jessicah>
or wget?
<jessicah>
haiku's quality seems to have taken a dive lately
<Legended>
I can find out but man.. after tbone it's a bunch of ips.. before your end url is 1e100.net which is not Google. That ainf haiku. Ilet me trace someone else
<jessicah>
1e100.net is google
<jessicah>
a google is 1 with 100 zeroes after it
<jessicah>
the domain is a play on google
<jessicah>
a googol*
<Legended>
No. Its gotta be spectrum. Beyond the rr domain.
<Legended>
Tried tracing to Slashdot and it's 5 live in hops and so far 7 bad hops.
<Legended>
Ok. I'm gonna try my cell provider hotspot
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<Legended>
Ok. It says it's still configuring in ifconfig
<Legended>
Oh. Thats broke software dude. B3 is broke. If everything inside of preflet says connected but ifconfig and dock icon says configuring something is wrong with software
<Legended>
Yeah. I tell it to disable adapter and ifconfig returns configuring
<Legended>
Its b0rked.. jim
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<Legended>
Ok. So reboot. Says adapter ready ifconfig says auto-configured. Cannot enable repository
<Legended>
Google doesn't load
<Legended>
Heck.. vision itself still has freenode. Wth
<jessicah>
I generally don't use wifi
<jessicah>
it's been too problematic for me
<Legended>
It does the same thing with wired.
<jessicah>
I use a thunderbolt to ethernet adapter
<jessicah>
huh, that's weird then
<ffog>
when my wifi acts up, disabling and enabling the wifi seems to help, but its got a mind of its own
<Legended>
No. Beta 3 wasn't ready
<jessicah>
beta3 works fine for me
<jessicah>
but hardware support is difficult for a project as small as ours
<Legended>
Well.. I can wipe the partition and reinstall make sure it wasn't a stock 3 over stock 2.
<Legended>
Stock 2 won't update period. It pitches a fit if you try.
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<jessicah>
yeah, infra has changed, and from what I can tell, we didn't provide good continuity for updates
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<Legended>
Ok. Says on error while transmitting ifconfig
<Legended>
One error
<Legended>
No error downlink but one error uplink.
<Legended>
This is on totally fresh install
<Legended>
Ok. Let me try something else
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<legendaryamerican>
Okiedokie. Acer aspire one d250. No pages load no repository load. Ping returns good traceroute returns "fair".. tested against a Droid on the same network. That connects all day
<legendaryamerican>
Like to see it fixed because these little minis are great. And the fact that the sound works on the aspire one... is a huge deal.
<legendaryamerican>
I'm guessing the problem is with ssh
<legendaryamerican>
I bet it's a certificate problem