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<jessicah>
Anarchos: you can join when you're not at work :)
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<Niklas[m]>
I planned to join the Coding Sprint and Jitsi as well,now it's nearly over and I still don't have a proper internet connection after moving to Wuerzburg 😭
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<roiredX>
good day
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<Anarchos>
waddlesplash ah i spotted this when compiling today : i had to do a pkgman install zstd zstd_devel :)
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<waddlesplash>
well, time to rewrite the ntfs driver
<waddlesplash>
let's see how long it takes me to get it to the point where it can read
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<mmu_man>
eh
<mmu_man>
well NTFS3g isn't reentrant…
<waddlesplash>
no, it isn't
<waddlesplash>
most filesystem drivers aren't, yo uhave to lock
<waddlesplash>
the biggest part of why our ntfs driver is so slow is that it's totally uncached
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<LegendaryAmerican>
runtime_loader: /boot/system/apps/DocumentViewer: Could not resolve symbol '_ZN15BColumnListView15MessageReceivedEP8BMessage' resolve symbol "_ZN15BColumnListView15MessageReceivedEP8BMessage" returned: -2147478780 runtime_loader: /boot/system/apps/DocumentViewer: Troubles relocating: Symbol not found
<LegendaryAmerican>
(document viewer was past haiku team effort)
<LegendaryAmerican>
lets see if it can run on stock beta 3
<LegendaryAmerican>
ok so ok. on current walter, document viewer(haiku inc) is not loading
<LegendaryAmerican>
put in a ticket?
<extrowerk_>
LegendaryAmerican: thats would be the best
<extrowerk_>
you can also try to rebuild it with HaikuPorts, probably it would work. If it is true you can create a pull request at HaikuPorts with a revision bump
<LegendaryAmerican>
done dealie
<extrowerk_>
Btw. : you should create the ticket at HaikuPorts, not at Haiku directly.
<LegendaryAmerican>
haikuports is acting weird.
<LegendaryAmerican>
I can try to cc them
<extrowerk_>
oh no, you made it at haiku :(
<extrowerk_>
this wil be closed as invalid.
<extrowerk_>
instantly.
<LegendaryAmerican>
well. ok. nah. let me pull it
<LegendaryAmerican>
nah. cant pull it. wtd.
<extrowerk_>
yep, confirmed works after rebuild
<extrowerk_>
lemme make a pr
<LegendaryAmerican>
Youre too kind.
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<LegendaryAmerican>
because haikuports is not friendly design.. and the depot app doesnt really allow registering via the app.
* LegendaryAmerican
yells.. "slacker bodies.. why does MeV come binaryless? who are you selling to... nihilists?"
<extrowerk_>
then i bump it to the latest git version too
<extrowerk_>
LegendaryAmerican: i can't follow you, consider to explain whats wrong.
<LegendaryAmerican>
A. weird errors at haiku depot application trying to register. B. MeV hpkg has no binaries C. haikuports site design is friendly as a crocodile, isnt like haiku dev or org or inc.
<LegendaryAmerican>
(haiku dev isnt perfect.. but its a friendly design)
<extrowerk_>
weird errors at haiku depot application trying to register: for example?
<LegendaryAmerican>
It tells you that your password must contain so and so.. and you do it and it doesnt work. it says for username must possess so and so, and you do that.. I mean its refusing to register people. this hurts the effort of all these hard workers coding a storm
<extrowerk_>
i can't help with mev, it doesn't builds for 64 bit. (I assume you are using 32 bit)
<Niklas[m]>
Just try a few dozen other passwords then ;)
<LegendaryAmerican>
Niklas[m], I can steal yours lol
<Niklas[m]>
I had the same problem when trying to sign up,but some day it finally worked
<Niklas[m]>
I can't remember my own one actually because it didn't accept all of the passwords I normally use
<LegendaryAmerican>
in effect it keeps prospective supporters, or even coders out.
<LegendaryAmerican>
(and well.. I wont go into spieling about a selling point or the clincher)
<Niklas[m]>
I agree that it's not good,but there *is* a way to register if you try hard enough lol
<LegendaryAmerican>
I can probably try again at haiku depot web. lemme muster up the beer.
<LegendaryAmerican>
tbh
<LegendaryAmerican>
idea and this is style guide, want it all to be as friendly operating as friendly as the community is.
<LegendaryAmerican>
and sure the community would like people to know
<LegendaryAmerican>
Tell them they have to run their register page at least through the most common browers they expect people will use. (Browser Tests! Browser Tests! what are they coding for? Edge?)
<LegendaryAmerican>
because registering is not going well on Web+
<ilzu[m]>
ls
<Anarchos>
extrowerk_ it is not BePDF ?
<ilzu[m]>
damn. Wrong window :/
<Niklas[m]>
I don't think it has much to do with the browser.Doesn't work correctly in Firefox as well
<LegendaryAmerican>
*(hell, tell them to use a command line application and someone will come around and make a desktop application around it for them)
<LegendaryAmerican>
ecosystem bros.
<Anarchos>
extrowerk_ by the way, BePDF often looses my bookmarks
<extrowerk_>
Anarchos: it is DocumentViewer
<Anarchos>
extrowerk_ didn't know this one
<extrowerk_>
LegendaryAmerican: i never really wanted to be logged in in the Depot. Do you want to use it to report bugs? I fear nobody would notice that.
<extrowerk_>
The official way to report bugs is at Haikuports, and yes github is tricky in WebPositive
<LegendaryAmerican>
Anarchos, should we parallel errata and see if they match up on bepdf and document viewer?
<Anarchos>
LegendaryAmerican i am not native english speaker, i don't understand what you want to achieve ?
<LegendaryAmerican>
I mean I would hate to have to go dig up two completly identical systems and do it by my lonesome.
<LegendaryAmerican>
Anarchos I am asking if its the same problem bpdf has that Document Viewer has. I dont think so. but someone should find out.
<LegendaryAmerican>
hold on.
<Anarchos>
LegendaryAmerican no idea, i never tested DocumentViewer
<LegendaryAmerican>
yeah. loses bookmarks.
<LegendaryAmerican>
let me run BePdf from the cli
<LegendaryAmerican>
BePdf zombies, or potiential zombies from cli on exit
<LegendaryAmerican>
it wont save bookmarks, this is true.
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JPsH5
<extrowerk_>
It can download my feeds from theoldreader.
<LegendaryAmerican>
ok, so this is helpful. ah ok. using symlinks from the command line will leave cli hanging on exit of application
<LegendaryAmerican>
apps sometimes will backtalk right into the console.. so its useful to be able to enter in and out of apps properly on the cli
<extrowerk_>
LegendaryAmerican: worksforme (TM)
<extrowerk_>
i am extremely dissapointed about the hotels in the UK.
<LegendaryAmerican>
40 euars of the eu. very hostel lol
<LegendaryAmerican>
But yes it pays to find out who has the better fly to rates for everyone if they want to meet and talk about this stuff
<LegendaryAmerican>
we have pff.. sometimes next year R1
<LegendaryAmerican>
Headship belives it can be done. I do too.
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<LegendaryAmerican>
need a facebook haiku census, find out what the projected rates will be for a meet. I havent seen jack or nothing on the haiku fb for ages.
<LegendaryAmerican>
last time I saw anyone I knew of from be and haiku was.. oh. 2001.. kancept(adam mcnutt) and wifey HoneyBe... came to nc to visit family came scooted down to the coast. and the weird part was we looked at each other and said other people in the murky depths of the internet say they use it in my area.. but we cant get much of nothing out of them. strange for sure.
<LegendaryAmerican>
not our meetup
<LegendaryAmerican>
that wasnt strange. beautiful. we sat at the restaurant overlooking the water and watched the fish splashing and playing and discussed the future.
<extrowerk_>
i think the english hotels took literally the bed and brekfast concept, eg. they don't really provide anything else at all. In the first hotel i have seen a mouse in the restaurant. in the second the room was so worned down i left the place, here i just unable to close the window in the bath (otherwise it gets probbaly moldy) which is great idea in this season.
<LegendaryAmerican>
adam and wifey gave me a crockpot they wanted to leave behind. no. I dont still have it. its a leave behind crock pot! though it takes a hurricane to destroy one.. when theyre gone theyre gone! LOL
<LegendaryAmerican>
extrowerk_ so. Bermuda?
<LegendaryAmerican>
I can afford it.
<LegendaryAmerican>
I mean if people come here.. thats also great. a lot of people in my family has charter boats and headboats. men can do fishing women can shop
<LegendaryAmerican>
Women can fish and men can shop. got one of those axe throwing places.
<LegendaryAmerican>
the last time I entertained foreigners, omg that was before beos. 93. so kinda sorta before. I was just getting into alternative os.. before college. right before. in 90 to 92 we had a chain of arcades.. and some german shipmates came in to play some billards.
<LegendaryAmerican>
anyhow. this place is not for stories. lemme see if I can go figure some things out.
<extrowerk_>
LegendaryAmerican: i have absolutely no idea what do you meant with Bermuda. Neither with the other sentences.
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<LegendaryAmerican>
extrowerk_ its ok. neither did I.
<LegendaryAmerican>
thought of a begeistert. not sure in bermuda or even at sea.
<LegendaryAmerican>
its a pie in the sky
<LegendaryAmerican>
ok. so. waddlesplash is your commit supposed to be included in their update? depot doesnt show update as option. Ive never seen that one in the app.
<waddlesplash>
there's SoftwareUpdater for updates.
<waddlesplash>
or pkgman in the terminal
<LegendaryAmerican>
ok. thatll be seen. I see the format now.
<LegendaryAmerican>
Document Viewer starts but is very rough.
<LegendaryAmerican>
thats the actual application itself
<LegendaryAmerican>
wont load amex test pdf. ok. bepdf does.
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<LegendaryAmerican>
cousin own as 95 ft headboat. brother owns a charter boat that can seat and fish probably 8 or more.
<LegendaryAmerican>
and his buddy builds boats. and owns charters too.
<LegendaryAmerican>
best thing I can ask is.. what do they want to do about document viewer, I guess thats a good question.
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<Anarchos>
kallisti5 what is the difference between your mbrtool and writembr ?
<kallisti5[m]>
writembr is just writing our bootloader to the disk
<kallisti5[m]>
mbrtool allows us to create partitions in disk images during the os build
<Anarchos>
kallisti5[m] oh i see
<kallisti5[m]>
for arm, riscv, etc we used to use mtools to create a partition map
<Anarchos>
kallisti5[m] i am diving into all stuff related to mbr/bootloader under haiku for weeks
<Anarchos>
so i discovered a lot
<kallisti5[m]>
however, mtools is pretty old + horrible. so I added mbrtool so the haiku builder can create a mbr partition table, and fatfs so the haiku build could create fat partitions and copy files into them. That all eliminates the mtools build requirement.
<kallisti5[m]>
it takes a town to build an os :-)
<Anarchos>
kallisti5[m] i saw that !
<Anarchos>
kallisti5[m] just to boot is incredibly hard to understand !
<kallisti5[m]>
lol. I don't think mbrtool is even used on x86?
<Anarchos>
kallisti5[m] no but i read its source code just in case
<Anarchos>
as i encountered writembr, i was wondering if they were related
<kallisti5[m]>
x86 uses anyboot which slaps an EFI bootloader and a mbr bootloader into an iso to make an iso that will boot in a cdrom or written to a disk
<kallisti5[m]>
Anarchos: to be honest.. it might be possible to consolidate mbrtool and writembr.
<kallisti5[m]>
however.. mbrtool really isn't needed except when building haiku
<Anarchos>
kallisti5[m] and the usage help of writembr should really says 'BE CAREFUL !!!'
<kallisti5[m]>
i think mbrtool says that
<kallisti5[m]>
"Warning: This tool requires precision! Inputs are only lightly validated!"
<kallisti5[m]>
yeah lol. mbrtool is "just enough" to create valid mbr partitions
<Anarchos>
kallisti5[m] i try to mount a little ethernet network at home with a linux box and some old computers on haiku, to play with pxe boot.
<Anarchos>
kallisti5[m] that's why i took interest into how PC boot...
<kallisti5[m]>
nice!! we make a pxe bootloader. I've used it before but it has been a long time
<kallisti5[m]>
there's a "disk server" mode to the haiku build that likely hasn't been used for ages
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<kallisti5[m]>
it's probably been years since anyone has tried that.
<Anarchos>
kallisti5[m] that is why i want to play with it
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<Anarchos>
kallisti5[m] my first fix would be to node monitor the image, to not reboot remote_disk_server each time the image change
<kallisti5[m]>
sounds like fun :-)
<kallisti5[m]>
you should add a way to mount a remote_disk_server under haiku too.
<kallisti5[m]>
aka.. haiku mounting a build machine running remote_disk_server. Might be useful
<Anarchos>
kallisti5[m] what you mean by mounting a remote_disk_server ?
<kallisti5[m]>
haiku has mount_nfs to mount an nfs share. mount_rds might be a neat tool
<Anarchos>
kallisti5[m] not skilled enough to do that
<Anarchos>
that's why i will ftp the image to a linux machine running dhcp as a netboot server
<kallisti5[m]>
gotcha. no worries. I've been meaning to poke at remote_disk_server for a while but never have the time. maybe you'll be able to make some improvements :-)
<Anarchos>
kallisti5[m] i have so much side projects to finish....
<Anarchos>
kallisti5[m] i am looking for a good blogging soft to organize my ideas
<Anarchos>
kallisti5[m] running on haiku if possible lol
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<Vidrep_64>
PulkoMandy, have you had any testers provide feedback yet for the VESA driver?
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<LegendaryAmerican>
who knows? it could make its way into the network services list.