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<x512[m]>
usb_audio with USB 3 works for me. It works quite good, but have some glitches.
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<Begasus>
g'morning peeps
<andreasdr>
Moin
<andreasdr>
Good morning
<Begasus>
moin andreasdr
<andreasdr>
Hi x512, btw I asked yesterday: "So If you x512 agree to work later on i915 DRM driver, ill start next week with the port. Will take like 2 months I guess. ", so I just want to make sure you read that.
<andreasdr>
Good morning Begasus :)
<x512[m]>
andreasdr: Yes, I read that. I can help with i915 driver and userland part integration.
<andreasdr>
Nice. So I have a new Haiku project. Cool.
<zdykstra>
That's exciting to read!
<andreasdr>
:)
<andreasdr>
Super curious also. So x512 maybe If I have read how you did some stuff in RADEONDRM I can learn from it and do maybe stuff a bit on my own kernel land related :)
<andreasdr>
So this is exciting for me :)
<x512[m]>
Do you mean missing symbols stub generation?
<andreasdr>
No. Whatever else happens to RADEONDRM.
<andreasdr>
Lets see
<x512[m]>
From what I looked, current Haiku radeondrm port seems not connected to kernel driver interface.
<andreasdr>
Yes. Thats missing. Thought you maybe like to work on it, or I just try next 2 weeks
<andreasdr>
Stuff like that is missing still. I think a haiku professional could do this in 2 weeks or something. No idea.
<andreasdr>
The actual haiku connection is missing. I know.
<andreasdr>
Maybe I try next week PCI. :D
<andreasdr>
PCI FOR THE WIN
<andreasdr>
:D
<andreasdr>
Then i915 has to wait :)
<x512[m]>
Checking stub symbols maybe needed. It contains some items that should be #define.
<andreasdr>
Ok.
<x512[m]>
Also it is good idea to add panic() in stubs.
<andreasdr>
Yes. There is also some // comments by me for things that were not doable in first step
<andreasdr>
But not that many
<x512[m]>
I first think that it may be possible to test DRM in a virtual machine by using some graphics card that can be emulated or pass additional host graphics card to guest.
<andreasdr>
There is also some stuff needed in kernel like loading DRM module.
<andreasdr>
To have it executed at all.
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<andreasdr>
I have now a BETA3 installation again. So I will at least code in Haiku itself. I like to use Haiku already.
<x512[m]>
It seems that DRM base code and radeondrm driver are currently not separated to different modules.
<andreasdr>
No. Not yet. I wanted to test in first step if its doable for me at all.
<andreasdr>
First time I did stuff like that.
<x512[m]>
Old driver API modules are loaded automatically if placed in correct directory.
<andreasdr>
Oh cool.
<andreasdr>
Or is it uncool?
<andreasdr>
:D
<x512[m]>
It is a bit a problem because it slows down boot.
<andreasdr>
Do you have a driver to look at me that does PCI with old driver API?
<x512[m]>
You can look some graphics kernel driver, for example radeon_hd. It loads PCI bus module in init_driver old driver API hook.
<andreasdr>
Ah Ok. Perfect.
<andreasdr>
Ok. This gets interesting then next week. This week I am still doing vacation. Also my mates I am working with most of the time has vacation. Exciting. Curious how this works out.
<x512[m]>
PCI module interface is defined in headers/os/drivers/PCI.h
<andreasdr>
Ok.
<andreasdr>
What is BEST OS to test with via EMULATION? Does it work with FBSD? Or Linux?
<x512[m]>
Linux definitely should work. Not sure about *BSD.
<andreasdr>
Ok. Linux is very much OK for me also.
<x512[m]>
It should be possible to connect additional graphics card and use it on virtual machine.
<andreasdr>
Oh. So I need 2 graphics boards in my PC?
<andreasdr>
Which software to use for emulation.
<andreasdr>
But wait. Will take some more time until I get to this point. So we can talk after PCI about it maybe.
<andreasdr>
There is some I2C, some DMA, some task scheduling, 1-2 other points.
<andreasdr>
Looks like this takes me at least a month. Not sure 100%
<andreasdr>
I can tell more after PCI
<x512[m]>
If you have embedded Intel graphics, only one external graphics card will be enough.
<andreasdr>
Ok
<x512[m]>
If you want to just test driver loading and basic initialization, no actual graphics card is needed.
<andreasdr>
Good point. I think my PC has some integrated graphics. Need to check.
<andreasdr>
What emulation software to use?
<x512[m]>
QEMU KVM seems support graphics card passing.
<x512[m]>
Maybe I will try this setup myself later. I have embedded Intel graphics and external Radeon R7 250 graphics card.
<andreasdr>
Nice.
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<win8linux[m]>
It should be noted that some systems can also do single GPU passthrough.
<andreasdr>
So no need for 2 GPUs in my PC?
<x512[m]>
win8linux: How it supposed to work? Turn off host GPU while guest is running?
<win8linux[m]>
But yes, using GVT-g will allow both host and guest to use a single GPU.
<andreasdr>
I am on AMD though :)
<julicenri>
In that case, single GPU passthrough will only allow either host or guest to use it.
<x512[m]>
andreasdr: what GPU are you using? Does your motherboard have embedded graphics?
<win8linux[m]>
Maybe GVT-g is also something to consider when porting Intel drivers in the future?
<andreasdr>
Yes. I think there is a plug for HDMI. But never used it.
<andreasdr>
Also I have some graphics boards here :)
<andreasdr>
Currently I have plugged in a RADEON 7770
<andreasdr>
RADEON HD 7770
<andreasdr>
Let me check again if I have a HDMI or something from the mother board
<andreasdr>
x512: Yes I do have
<andreasdr>
a HDMI from the motherboard.
<andreasdr>
So there should be a onboard graphics card additionally
<win8linux[m]>
Might want to check if there really is an iGPU in your system, though.
<win8linux[m]>
Onboard HDMI is mainly provided in case that there is an iGPU available.
<andreasdr>
Oh. What else could it be if its not a iGPU?
<andreasdr>
No idea.
<andreasdr>
Currently the computer is off, I ll check later with lspci or something
<win8linux[m]>
It just doesn't work if there is no iGPU.
<andreasdr>
Ah Ok.
<andreasdr>
Makes sense :DDD
<x512[m]>
It may be an option in BIOS what GPU should be used at boot: integrated or external.
<andreasdr>
Yep. Thank you for all the tips. Also all the talking helps me to get a little bit into it mentally :)
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<andreasdr>
So any new Haiku software thats interesting? What about IDEs? I used PE so far, which also works very nicely if you use lpe and console.
<andreasdr>
I think IntelliJ is also nice. JAVA on Haiku. Also very nice.
<andreasdr>
Not used it yet. I am rather a Eclipse user
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<andreasdr>
Ill just have a look :) Nice to explore stuff :)
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<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/J2Yvj
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 229bc23 - libtimidity, bump version (#6222)
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<andreasdr>
Haha. Just exploring all the nice games in HaikuDepot. Cool.
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<Begasus>
looking into bumping scummvm here (hence the push for libtimidity earlier) :)
<Begasus>
hi jmairboeck :)
<andreasdr>
ScummVM. Nice. Need to play some Monkey Island or Indiana Jones. I loved those games back in the 90s
<Begasus>
New release 2.5.0 is tagged, so we're all in the works to create releases for several OS's
<jmairboeck>
hi Begasus :)
<andreasdr>
Cool.
<jmairboeck>
do you think the current texlive PR can be merged now? Although it will not be very useful without the data part, but I think it would be better if it were merged before I create a new PR for the split version. I can then rebase that branch on master and that can be reviewed easier.
<jmairboeck>
But I am not yet finished with the split version, so no need to hurry
<Begasus>
let's ask waddlesplash and korli how they think about it :) I don't have a problem with it
<Begasus>
I think only the base package was enabled correct?
<jmairboeck>
yes
<jmairboeck>
now called texlive_core, similar to Gentoo
<Begasus>
I thought we went the Debian way (just looked at the comments there) :)
<jmairboeck>
we use the packaging structure from Gentoo, so I thought the package name can be used too
<Begasus>
ok :)
<jmairboeck>
Debian calls it texlive-binaries I think, that would also be possible
<Begasus>
core fits better imho :)
<jmairboeck>
I also think so, because it doesn't contain only binaries
<andreasdr>
Damn. I have internet problems today. :(
<Begasus>
k, base package for scummvm builds (disabed the engines for first testrun)
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 92c0f8bf2720 - Update translations from Pootle
<nephele[m]>
How do i use the setarch stuff for x86? I'm trying to compile renge which doesn't work with the "normal" gcc2 arch, but using setarch x86 makes cmake then complain that the c compiler somehow doesn't work (with errors like /boot/system/develop/tools/x86/bin/../lib/gcc/i586-pc-haiku/8.3.0/../../../../i586-pc-haiku/bin/ld: cannot find crti.o: No such file or directory)
<Begasus>
did you update haikuporter? I think waddlesplash pushed something related to cmake the other day?
<Begasus>
eerr nvm :)
<nephele[m]>
I'm not using haikuporter, I'm using cmake
<Begasus>
yeah, my bad :)
<jmairboeck>
nephele[m]: maybe setting CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER=gcc-x86 explicitly works better
<nephele[m]>
also on beta3 if that matters
<nephele[m]>
jmairboeck: gcc isn't a CXX compiler though?
<Begasus>
so far I haven't had other issues with cmake in Terminal (switching to x86)
<nephele[m]>
Getting the same with rm -rf * .*; CMAKE_CC_COMPILER=gcc-x86 CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER=g++-x86 cmake .., though i don't think cmake even uses those vars, it still calls cc (but /boot/system/bin/x86/cc, which should be fine)
<Begasus>
using "-L" with cmake should give you some information on what's used/found
<jmairboeck>
you set them via -D when invoking cmake
<Begasus>
or could be set
<nephele[m]>
jmairboeck: ugh, why format it /exactly/ like an env var then, how i love the commandline
<Begasus>
shouldn't be needed, cmake should pick up the correct one
<nephele[m]>
Same error regardless, and the c compiler it picks normally (after setenv) should work in any case
<Begasus>
nephele[m], got expat and gloox installed?
<nephele[m]>
figured it out, i was missing haiku_x86_devel it seems...
<nephele[m]>
Begasus: expat and gloox don't have anything to do with cmake not thinking the main compiler works
<nephele[m]>
it's a check /before/ it does any checks for the deps or anything
<Begasus>
was just looking at the current recipe for it
<Begasus>
should be straight forward :/
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<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/J2ODU
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 7f99c58 - fribidi, bump version (#6223)
<Begasus>
k, that's done
<nephele[m]>
there is a new quaternion release btw
<nephele[m]>
I have a commit on my other pc but for some reason I couldn't push it, eh.
<Begasus>
;)
<Begasus>
ps, checking up on renga ... pulled the sources with haikuporter, and from Terminal it seems to work ok when switched to x86
<Begasus>
any patching involved for quaternion nephele[m] ?
<nephele[m]>
one, yes
<nephele[m]>
the about box has empty "build from git" tags... i patched those out, but for the rest there is no patch needed (and its not that tragic if that isnt patched)
<Begasus>
you should get a github accound :P
<nephele[m]>
No, i shouldn't
<Begasus>
;)
<nephele[m]>
...
<Begasus>
PulkoMandy, could maybe have some pointers on how to push your changes to haikuports for a PR, still don't have a clue there
<Begasus_32>
Opslag/haikuports/haiku-apps/renga/work-x86-1.2.1~git/sources/Renga-f3a73777090c20c8c35c0f8de10fa7cb7ae52460/ui/RegisterAccountWindow.cpp:19:10: fatal error: private/shared/Geolocation.h: No such file or directory
<Begasus>
eeps
<x512[m]>
Begasus_32: Begasus Who is real?
<Begasus>
both, we are one but many ;)
<andreasdr>
:D
<x512[m]>
Why multiple accounts are needed?
<Begasus>
_32 is the one I'm using on the other laptop (where I build the sources)
<Begasus>
this is easier to comunicate (and this laptop isn't up for compiling jobs anymore)
<nephele[m]>
Begasus: I honestly don't know why you recomend me to get a github account, the workflow seems way too complex and error prone, if i have my own git server people can properly just take my commits, but with github I always see random stuff like copying commits line by line and removing attribution instead of just cherrypicking the commit and beeing done with it
<Begasus>
there's also Begasus_64 (that's another laptop running haiku native) :)
<nephele[m]>
Also the "fork this repo and create a PR" workflow seems massively flawed to me, i'm not making a /fork/ just to fix some issue
<Begasus>
I'm just used (and it works for me) this way nephele[m] , probably could be done a lot better ;)
<jmairboeck>
Begasus: basically, you add nepehele's "fork" of haikuports as a new remote to your local clone, pull from it and push it to upstream haikuports. That way, the original commits and attribution is preserved.
<nephele[m]>
I would be much happier to be able to "just" use gerrit, for all of haikus stuff, it seems incredibly wierd to do this multitrack drifiting thing where half of the installed apps are randomly as repos on github, the ports is on github, but the haiku main tree is on gerrit. yet the issue tracker on dev. is responsible for stuff on gerrit /and/ stuff on github etc.
<Begasus>
that would mean I would have 3 remotes in my fork then :)
<nephele[m]>
yet some stuff has it's own github issue trackers
<nephele[m]>
Begasus: remotes don't cost anything, it's just a pointer pretty much...
<Begasus>
yeah nephele[m] , I use upstream to keep my origin on par like that, just didn't play with adding another repo to that
<nephele[m]>
To me a "fork" is if i actually plan independent development of something, it makes no sense to me to call every random checkout of some project I have a fork... then i would have "forked" my own code severall times solely for using different pcs sometimes to dev on it
<Begasus>
I think you mentioned a "remote" I could use for yours a while back
<nephele[m]>
Honestly, this all seems a workaround for the centralization github causes, i don't really like it. But you can add my repos (with its url) as a remote under whatever name you like (I usually use nepstream)
<Begasus>
ps, I neved pushed anything directly to haikuports (don't even know if I can)
<jmairboeck>
If you can merge pull requests via the web interface, you should also be able to push to it
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<nephele[m]>
Anyhow Begasus, I don't have the quaternion commit with me, and I won't be at that computer for about 2 weeks, so go ahead and update quaternion if you want to do that :)
<Begasus>
I'm in no hurry there nephele[m] :)
<nephele[m]>
Does someone know of an input_server filter to filter out spurious drops of clicks? my mouse seems to drop mouse clicks intermittendly which leads to some very annoying behaviours when trying to resize windows
<x512[m]>
Are you confirmed that problem is on input_server level?
<nephele[m]>
No, it's not, the mouse is just broken
<nephele[m]>
I want to workaround this by ignoring the dropped clicks if it gets reactivated quickly enough with an input_server filter
<jmairboeck>
nephele[m]: maybe you should get a new mouse ;)
<nephele[m]>
I'm not going to throw away a good mouse with a minor defect that can be worked around in software, what is it with this "just buy new stuff" society...
<x512[m]>
Or take soldering iron.
<nephele[m]>
That would melt the plastic, hardly a fix :P
<nephele[m]>
Anyway, "no" would have sufficed as an answer if nobody knows a filter... I'll make one myself then
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/J2Oxg
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus ae6d38f - ack, bump version
<Begasus>
OK, so now I know that works :)
<Begasus>
harmless push, not used by other recipes :)
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<nephele[m]>
How does one use theme manager? I have tried to use it a bit, but it keeps pegging my cpu to 100% and then stops updating when i try to select something from the sidebar or try to save the current theme or something... wondering if i'm doing something wrong
<PulkoMandy>
looks like a bug
<nephele[m]>
it has written 120K lines of a plaintext representation of a BMessage for my to-be-saved theme... that doesn't seem right
<nephele[m]>
Uhh, not the best format to pick I'd reckon... maybe it has a problem with the shelf screensaver trying to save it like this
<IlFelice>
Hmmm... The Theme Manager works ok here...
<nephele[m]>
Yep, seems to be the shelf screensaver causing this issue
<waddlesplash>
x512[m]: yeah USB audio almost works except for the frequent glitches
<nephele[m]>
I have used shelf with a replicant of OverLayimage to miick my desktop background image :)
<waddlesplash>
x512, I haven't yet had time to investigate them. on two devices I have, the glitches are audio in one channel only that frequently glitches into the other channel for a fraction of a second
<waddlesplash>
which may be related to the glitches that occur when audio does output on two channels
<x512[m]>
waddlesplash: Glitches happens not so often for me (once in 1-2 seconds).
<waddlesplash>
I suspect the one channel only problem may actually be a mixer bug, as ToneProducer produced sound in both channels
<waddlesplash>
for me it varies but 1-2 seconds happens yes, sometimes it's much less though
<waddlesplash>
yes, this may be related
<waddlesplash>
i haven't quite figured out how microframe accounting is supposed to work
<waddlesplash>
some things I read said that I don't or shouldn't even be specifying what frame the transfer starts on but just set the ASAP bit and let the controller do it whenever
<waddlesplash>
but I think doing that produced no audio at all?
<waddlesplash>
pretty easy thing to test though, just pass USB_ISO_ASAP unconditionally where it's scheduling transfers
<waddlesplash>
or a driver bug, either way USB ECM devices at least work on USB3 now
<x512[m]>
Yes, it can be net_server bug. Any existing ticket about sending DHCP request to turned off interface?
<waddlesplash>
possibly, I don't recall, and can't easily check atm
<x512[m]>
In that setup USB Ethernet is a part of docking station and it is not used. It seems work if connected.
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<BrunoSpr>
hello?
<Dusan_Krehel>
BrunoSpr: ello — Noun: 1. "Hello!" or an equivalent greeting., — Verb: 1. (transitive) To greet with "hello"., — Interjection: 1. A greeting (salutation) said when meeting someone or acknowledging someone’s arrival or presence., 2. A greeting used when answering the telephone., 3. A call for response if it is not clear if anyone is present or listening, or if <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hello>...
<BrunoSpr>
bye?
<Dusan_Krehel>
bye — Noun: 1. The position of a person or team in a tournament or competition who draws no opponent in a particular round so advances to the next round unopposed, or is awarded points for a win in a league table; also the phantom opponent of such a person or team., 2. (cricket) An extra scored when the batsmen take runs after the ball has passed the s <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bye>...
<Coldfirex>
Howdy
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/J23dr
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 1091d21 - GMIC: use cmake for build
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<beaglejoe>
Hi all, anyone use HexChat? I'm getting connection failed today
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±1] https://git.io/J23bl
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<DKnoto>
beaglejoe, Hi, I use HexChat without problems
<scott_puopolo[m]>
hola, anyone on here discovered glogg app for log file viewing? like it or not? better alternative?
<beaglejoe>
DKnoto: Did you have to anything for certificates recently? OFTC says: Connection failed (certificate has expired.? (10)) but mine is still good???
<Coldfirex>
want to take a stab at another SMAP violation?
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<topfuel>
Hi, I am trying to customize the list of applications in Deskbar menu, following the userguide, but the file ~/config/settings/deskbar/menu is empty. Should I edit somewhere else?
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<countryboy>
topfuel: put directory there => they go to deskbar
<countryboy>
topfuel: or put links ...
<topfuel>
ohhh it was that simple, I was especting a config file or something, thanks :D
<countryboy>
np, you are wellcome ... :-)
<countryboy>
topfuel: or put directories with links inside ... xD
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<Guest1598>
Any devs here? Could you contact mirrors in South America? There's none at the moment.
<Guest1598>
contato@c3sl.ufpr.br and mirror@cedia.org.ec?Subject=CEDIA%20mirror%20question
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<Begasus>
'lo humdinger :)
<humdinger>
hullo!
<Begasus>
done for today, in a bit food, scummvm fails to launch (latest release) won't investigate today
<humdinger>
at least food still launches... :)
<Begasus>
I hope so :)
<jmairboeck>
Begasus: I found a policy violation for texlive when building the split version. Should I cherry pick that in the other branch as well before the merge, or doesn't it matter?
<jmairboeck>
a config file was not declared as global writable file
<Begasus>
just add it to the recipe then?
<Begasus>
didn't check up on the latest changes, so can't tell here
<Begasus>
buildmaster doesn't run in "-S" mode, if you have that localy it would produce a "policy error"
<jmairboeck>
I already did that in the split version now (not yet commited and pushed). But should I add it in the non-split version too? The texlive recipe is disabled anyway.
<Begasus>
it's not in the core recipe?
<jmairboeck>
no, all the "global writable files" are in the data package
<Begasus>
OK, then I think it could be fixed after the merge
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<Begasus>
waddlesplash, did you have a look at the latest changes for texlive?
<waddlesplash>
bo, I didn't
<jmairboeck>
ok, thanks. Then I don't need to do the checkout and cherry-picking right now
<Begasus>
it's a "bit" complex :)
<humdinger>
a shame Komoot,com
<humdinger>
doesn't work in Haiku
* humdinger
boots Linux...
* humdinger
waves
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<Begasus>
tsss ... :P
<jmairboeck>
waddlesplash: Begasus and me concluded it would be better to remove the scripted splitting of the texlive package for now, I will make another follow-up pull request when I get it to work correctly
<Begasus>
the core package should be ok, some things still missing to have a full working base, but that could be finetuned I guess when we hit to it
<jmairboeck>
so the current version of https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/6115 "just" splits it in two recipes, texlive_core for the compiled binaries and texlive for the texmf tree and config files
<Begasus>
afaik some things from texmf are needed to have a working base
<Begasus>
but that could wait for now
<jmairboeck>
yes, the programs alone don't really work
<Begasus>
so if you don't have any objections waddlesplash we could merge the work as is atm and work on from there
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<Begasus>
anyway, heading down here, will be back in the morning (before we head of to dogschool) will see what happens :)
<Begasus>
g'night peeps
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<PulkoMandy>
even if they didn't organize begeistert in the last 2 years
<scops>
yeah but i havent found a irc/matrix/... channel somewhere :)
<x512[m]>
COVID?
<nephele[m]>
There is a email on their website, you can write there
<nephele[m]>
or send mail :)
<scops>
;)
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<scops>
byebye
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<andreasdr>
What is actually this matrix chat? Never heard of it. Is there a Haiku client for it? Why is it better than IRC with Vision?
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<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/J2guP
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] sikmir 89cf234 - GPXSee: bump to 9.7 (#6224)
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<scott_puopolo[m]>
andreasdr: I'm trying Quaternion, it's ok. I do like Vision also. I guess the appeal of matrix is that you can inline items in the chat flow and scroll back to see prior conversations.
<andreasdr>
Oh cool.Thank you. Will try next session.