<LegendaryAmerican>
Right to repair is important yes needs to be stronger laws to promote and protect it.
<LegendaryAmerican>
Btw. No one tells you the Intel extreme wifi in the t61 takes a plastic shim to hold it in place and putting an nvme In there with it I'd scarier. But that's the difference between ibm/Lenovo and ccp lenovos.
<LegendaryAmerican>
The t61 upgrades is listed on the fairly thorough thinkpads(dot com or org)
<LegendaryAmerican>
But no. You'll never find the dock ever with the card slot.
<LegendaryAmerican>
I'm still gonna keep the t61 running. Middle finger to the new world order.
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<LegendaryAmerican>
A ccp Lenovo you couldn't even do that to because as you say. Ccp Lenovo. No dox.
<LegendaryAmerican>
But the plastic shim is because the Intel extreme is double the thickness and half the length.
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<LegendaryAmerican>
There was already set that there was a screw to lock the cards in.. jostle-free
<LegendaryAmerican>
Works like a champ. Except this recent beta 3 wpa jumble.
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<jt15s[m]>
Looks like Lenovo is actually listening though - they said they'll await mmu_man's reply
<LegendaryAmerican>
We hope so. While we seem like a horizontal operarion.. what that means is the higher ups have the little man's back. The higher ups in haiku os.. are a team of people behind the little man wide and deep.
<LegendaryAmerican>
Mmu isn't doing this for his own ego.
<LegendaryAmerican>
Npos are vertically integrated companies. Figure.. that all the volunteers have their own operations and a piece of that is shared to the group. They are.. but successful ones are horizontally managed.
<LegendaryAmerican>
Look I have to brag on haiku. BeOS helped me develop my talent in music back in the 1990s.
<LegendaryAmerican>
Self taught. I can play anything now.
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<LegendaryAmerican>
I have yet been able to get lmms connected to opensound.. but I'll do that a side job. Because I plugged in a akm30 into usb.. and got it playing sound in haiku with literally.. one small download. No driver required. And honestly you only need special USB midi drivers for things that are not midi but midi and software interface to proprietary hardware. Like modal synths.
<LegendaryAmerican>
And it's not a midi driver per se.
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<LegendaryAmerican>
I was actually investigating one time how hard it would be to get a daw in rtx64 to work. Hah. Insane.
<LegendaryAmerican>
Haiku can handle real-time priority well.
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<HaikuUser>
Giant penis channel
<HaikuUser>
I don't use haiku
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<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 4d81ddab4f72 - boot/efi: initialize mmu for arm
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<mmu_man>
nephele: yeah I guess I'll have to use shibboleet
<PulkoMandy>
the poor lenovo community manager is sitting on a pile of schematics for all their thinkpad models and don't know which one to send to you :(
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 60533c0e1555 - remove libicutu from icu build feature
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 2adb6e18db9c - sparc: update haikuportscross to current state of repository
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<waddlesplash>
well, time to make some bad decisions
* waddlesplash
downloads OpenBSD source tree
<x512[m]>
waddlesplash: ?
<waddlesplash>
I'm going to see if we can use OpenBSD WiFi drivers directly, by making the OpenBSD WiFi stack respond to FreeBSD ioctls
<x512[m]>
OpenBSD have more WiFi drivers than FreeBSD?
<waddlesplash>
yes.
<waddlesplash>
or rather, different drivers
<waddlesplash>
FreeBSD has far more hardware support overall, but most of their newer drivers are OpenBSD imports
<waddlesplash>
and OpenBSD has written more in the meantime, but FreeBSD is falling quite far behind
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<waddlesplash>
if OpenBSD had support for the AR93xx/94xx atheros chips, I probably would have just switched us entirely to OpenBSD's WiFi stack
<waddlesplash>
but they don't, and also I think they're missing support for some other older Intel chips too
<waddlesplash>
the differences between the stacks are unfortunately nontrivial, otherwise it would make more sense to just port drivers from OpenBSD to FreeBSD
<waddlesplash>
I attempted the other day to try to port https://github.com/openbsd/src/commit/d1ea7b2160ed2eb0df49e1e2db31cabcceb666cb to our port (idualwifi7260) of the FreeBSD driver (which does originate with this OpenBSD one), but quickly realized that a lot of these things are named very differently in freebsd
<extrowerk_>
I am in quarantine in UK since last friday night. it is like a jail. but the jail windows at least doesn't opens to the pub. i see people walking back and fort, talking, drinking beer, eating, etc. and i am closed in.
<extrowerk_>
and the heating system is broken, i sit in a terribly cold room since 3 days or so
<humdinger>
without beer??!
<extrowerk_>
without beer
<humdinger>
hang on, I'll call geneva...
<extrowerk_>
i hope i get the second test results today and i can leave but it just doesn't arriving.
<waddlesplash>
humdinger: try deleting the directory and build with -j1
<humdinger>
extrowerk_: maybe they can throw you a doggy bag.
<Skipp_OSX>
since when has you had trouble building Haiku humdinger ?
<humdinger>
waddlesplash: ok. that'll take a while.
<waddlesplash>
humdinger: sorry, I mean
<humdinger>
Skipp_OSX: haven't built anything for a long time...
<waddlesplash>
delete the directory the erroneous files come from
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<waddlesplash>
hmm, yo uhaven't?
<Skipp_OSX>
did you update your buildtools?
<waddlesplash>
maybe run configure --update
<extrowerk_>
Skipp_OSX: an UI question: in the tracker windows there is a small icon symbolizes the current folder in the top right corner. i use mostly that to drag and drop on the terminal window to insert the path (instead of using the path field). but the hitbox of that icon is pretty small. is it possible to make the hitbox bigger so i can select it easier with mouse?
<humdinger>
i did update the buildtools and update configured
<waddlesplash>
it's using the wrong libgcc here...
<waddlesplash>
humdinger: you need cross-tools to build x86_64 haiku now unfortunately
<waddlesplash>
there's a way around this
<waddlesplash>
open build/jam/packages/Haiku, and comment outthis line: AddFilesToPackage data platform_loaders : haiku_loader.$(bootTarget) ;
<humdinger>
there's a folder "cross-tools-x86_64" in gernerated at least
<waddlesplash>
see if that fixes it.
<waddlesplash>
hmm, did you run configure with --build-cross-tools?
<humdinger>
don't remember. Maybe I should reconfigure instead of just updating...
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<Skipp_OSX>
I'm getting some build errors here too about some nitpicky warnings turned into errors
<Anarchos>
hello
<Skipp_OSX>
-Wuninitialized, -Wnarrowing in sdhci_pci
<Anarchos>
Skipp_OSX i think that waddlesplash enable -Werror so all warnings turn into error now
<Anarchos>
Skipp_OSX but maybe i misread some blog…
<waddlesplash>
no, but there are certain directories now on -Werror
<humdinger>
still configuring here...
<waddlesplash>
I'm not the one doing that work however
<Skipp_OSX>
well that's been going on a while but for whatever reason I'm hitting these warnings on this system... builds fine on Haiku but this is on my Mac
<PulkoMandy>
there have been directories on -Werror for a decade or more already
<Skipp_OSX>
-Werror is enabled lots of places
<PulkoMandy>
recently a newcomer developer has been fixing warnings and enabling more of these
<PulkoMandy>
normally we should be using the same compiler in all places (our own gcc 8.3), and these changes were tested on haiku and linux
<PulkoMandy>
why is it different on mac?
<Skipp_OSX>
I committed a whitespace only change I hope you guys don't mind. I had an old comment on the change set pointing them out that I never actually submitted.
<PulkoMandy>
yes, thanks for cleaning that up
<Skipp_OSX>
Why is it different on Mac? I do not know. Must be different version of something.
<PulkoMandy>
it is our own compiler built from the buildtools repo, how could it be a different version?
<Skipp_OSX>
headers/private/drivers/mmc.h:114:20: warning: 'kMmcTypeAttribute' defined but not used [-Wunused-variable] headers/private/drivers/mmc.h:113:20: warning: 'kMmcRcaAttribute' defined but not used [-Wunused-variable] src/add-ons/kernel/busses/mmc/sdhci_pci.cpp:395:8: warning: invalid suffix on literal; C++11 requires a space between literal and string macro [-Wliteral-suffix] src/add-ons/kernel/busses/mmc/sdhci_pci.h:209:18:
<Skipp_OSX>
warning: non-static const member 'const uint64_t Capabilities::fBits' in class without a constructor [-Wuninitialized] src/add-ons/kernel/busses/mmc/sdhci_pci.cpp:802:42: warning: narrowing conversion of '(((int)bar) + ((int)slot))' from 'int' to 'uint8' {aka 'unsigned char'} inside { } [-Wnarrowing]
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<PulkoMandy>
why is it using C++11? This code is written in C++98
<Skipp_OSX>
hmmmm maybe because I need to update my buildtools
<PulkoMandy>
also EnableWerror is not enabled for that directory
<PulkoMandy>
so it must be something on your side that is adding flags to the compiler command line (maybe in UserBuildConfig?)
<PulkoMandy>
(you can check what's enabled in build/jam/ArchitectureRules)
<Skipp_OSX>
I updated my buildtools and tags and I'm getting a bit further now
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<waddlesplash>
PulkoMandy: gcc8 defaults to c++11
<Skipp_OSX>
hmmm yeah same thing some warnings turning to errors, strange
<waddlesplash>
I think?
<Skipp_OSX>
C++11 requires a space between literal and string macro [-Wliteral-suffix] whatever
<Skipp_OSX>
well as long as I didn't break the build I'm happy
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<Skipp_OSX>
seems like virtio makes compiler unhappy for some reason, fixed the warnings and then it complains about btrfs next.
<waddlesplash>
the real question is why in the world are these -Werrors for you, they should not be
<waddlesplash>
that is the real thing to fix
<Skipp_OSX>
yeah i agree
<Skipp_OSX>
I can fix warnings all day but the real problem is in my config somewhere
<waddlesplash>
please paste the full failed jam command output to pastebin
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<Skipp_OSX>
they all complain output is too large :/
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<Skipp_OSX>
Fatal error: can't create generated/objects/haiku/x86_64/release/add-ons/kernel/busses/virtio/virtio_pci/virtio_pci.o: Not a directory <= that's the actual error near the bottom
<waddlesplash>
well that has nothing to do with Werror
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<LegendaryAmerican>
Wow. So blacklisting atheros wired and wireless drivers from 3 to go over to beta two drivers.. it kdls on boot before desktop loads
<LegendaryAmerican>
Updated kdl screenshot to ticket.
<LegendaryAmerican>
Reboot without blacklist.. so it's using beta 3 drivers.. and goes back to original problem. It's dangerous to run open wifi. Unless your Adam McNutt.
<LegendaryAmerican>
Boondocks
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<LegendaryAmerican>
I think if we can get that networking problem fixed.. I might want to perhaps do a special desktop replicant for beta 4. Animated Logo with transparent background feature. Would look amazing on a royal blue Mandelbrot snap.
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