<waddlesplash>
it may still be under patent licenses iirc, they only granted that to linux
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<x512[m]>
NTFS is more useful then exFAT because it have journal support.
<x512[m]>
Using file systems without journal is too dangerous.
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<jessicah>
exFAT is still useful as a write medium, I generally use it for my removable drives
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<jt15s[m]>
Alright, I did a bit of digging and the exFAT specification is under the Open Invention Network (OIN)
<jt15s[m]>
So all we have to do is get membership to that and we're good
<jt15s[m]>
(Plus we'll get access to other stuff as well)
<jt15s[m]>
Membership is free BTW
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<x512[m]>
"it may still be under patent licenses": Is it actual for EU?
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<Begasus>
g'morning peeps
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<julicenri>
jt15s[m]: But would Haiku Inc. be allowed to join, since it is not related to Linux?
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<PulkoMandy>
we could join but I think it wouldn't help because the OIN members are granted an exception to patents only for the "linux base platform" and that doesn't include Haiku (I think they have a list of projects considered part of that base platform)
<PulkoMandy>
3. Does OIN membership cover anything other than Linux (Kernel 5.7 or later) in terms of the exFAT patent?
<PulkoMandy>
No. OIN’s defensive patent commitment applies only to the Linux System as defined in the OIN license agreement. The use of exFAT under any other operating system or kernel is not covered by OIN’s defensive patent commitment.
<PulkoMandy>
(admittedly they are trying to sell their own implementation there)
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<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JP0Hc
<jmairboeck>
hi Begasus! I have seen your comments on my pull requests. I will get to them later.
<Begasus>
doing a build for ghostscript atm (ps, my work was identical to your PR, aside from the other things I mentioned there) :)
<Begasus>
leptonica and tesseract take up some time in the build process, so we could skip that :)
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<Begasus>
openjpeg is also available at haikuports, didn't check yet if adding it to the recipe make much difference (build doesn't take too much time for it there)
<jmairboeck>
I still have not had time to actually test it, if it actually fixes the crashes in fig2dev tests or with Lilypond files. I was planning to do that next.
<Begasus>
already did a build for fig2dev, so I can run a test here once it's finished (on 32bit)
<Begasus>
jmairboeck, with ghostscript8 the tests didn't crash
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<jmairboeck>
so maybe I should try that for the other problems as well ...
<Begasus>
pulled the latest sources for fig2dev, that didn't change anything
<Begasus>
doing a check for that again with ghostscript8 installed
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<Begasus>
problem is that both ghostscript packages can be installed at the same time, so if you check in Terminal make sure you only have the 8 version installed
<Begasus_32>
ERROR: 97 tests were run,
<Begasus_32>
24 failed unexpectedly.
<Begasus_32>
4 tests were skipped.
<Begasus>
that is with ghostscript8 (but no crash there)
<Begasus>
jmairboeck, did you run a check with previous 9* version of ghostscript?
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<jmairboeck>
I did the fig2dev recipe and tests originally with ghostscript 9.26 last week
<Begasus>
ah ok, and the crashes were there too?
<jmairboeck>
yes, 2 tests crashed. That is what the issue that I reported is about
<Begasus>
ok, so the bump doesn't change anything there, good to know before we merge :)
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<countryboy>
hi shaka444[m]
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<x512[m]>
Are ZSNES package available? I have only old 32 bit executable.
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<countryboy>
BrunoSpr: Ich wurde verwaschen ... xD
<countryboy>
BrunoSpr: I got washed out ? xD
<Guest4349>
Is there a way to make the input_server send more positions for the mouse, rather than just the positions actually rendered?
<countryboy>
Guest4349: the bios has the point ...
<bparker_>
x512[m]: you heathen
<x512[m]>
?
<bparker_>
using zsnes in 2021
<bparker_>
that's like saying I prefer windows 3.1
<bparker_>
:p
<x512[m]>
ZSNES works great and the same on any OS.
<bparker_>
"works great" is highly subjective and it is actually quite ridiculously broken :)
<bparker_>
plus it even has its own viruses.
<bparker_>
that can infect just by loading a rom
<x512[m]>
It have good game compatibility and speed.
<bparker_>
ROFL
<bparker_>
no it most certainly does not
<bparker_>
the speed comes at the sacrifice of much compatibility
<x512[m]>
I didn't experienced any compatibility problems with ZSNES.
<x512[m]>
Megaman series works fine.
<bparker_>
you have not tried every game then
<bparker_>
many don't work at all
<Guest4349>
What's the point of this conversation?
<bparker_>
of course the most popular ones work
<x512[m]>
I all games I need are working fine, what is the problem?
<countryboy>
512 MB was the max memory 4 BeOS 5.0.3 ?
<bparker_>
x512[m]: the games *you* play are one thing, but making blanket statements like 'it has good compatibility' is just wreckless
<bparker_>
there are probably more games that don't work at all than all games you've ever played on it combined
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<beaglejoe>
With HaikuPorts, if I update a patchset, should the recipe's Revision be incremented ?
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<cocobean>
beaglejoe: Y
<cocobean>
(if pkg already exists prior)
<BrunoSpr>
Znes is still ok with SNES games
<BrunoSpr>
bparker_ which game is not working?
<BrunoSpr>
Which one, I will try!
<bparker_>
there's way too many to name
<bparker_>
but if you want one anyway
<bparker_>
Hayazashi Nidan Morita Shougi 2
<bparker_>
or another one, "A.S.P - Air Strike Patrol", will freeze as soon as you try to start a game.
<beaglejoe>
cocobean: thx, bbl
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<bparker_>
TopGear 3000 won't start
<bparker_>
SimCity *crashes the emulator* if you try to exit back to the main menu
<bparker_>
there's literally hundreds more incompatible games
<DHowett>
if somebody is fine with an emulator playing the games they want to play at good-enough compatibility -- be it via hacks or workarounds or tricks or deception -- far be it for me to stand on the soapbox of architectural purity and goodness to tell them that their emulator is bad :)
<PulkoMandy>
yes, there just are different uses for emulators. Some people just want to casually play some games and don't need exact accuracy. If your goal is precisely documenting the hardware, preserving the game exactly in the same state as they worked on real hardware, or writing new games or other software for the consoles, or if you do competitive things like speedrunnign, that's different and more accurate em
<PulkoMandy>
ulators are needed
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<x512[m]>
ZSNES build currently fails in libpng.
<x512[m]>
zip/zpng.c:132:17: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type 'png_info' {aka 'struct png_info_def'}
<PulkoMandy>
looks like it is based on older libpng versions where more of the API was directly exposing structures, now they have getters/setters for most things
<PulkoMandy>
you can use the libpng12 package for backwards compatibility with BeOS apps, or find a way to update the code to the new API (which is better if possible of course)
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<Vidrep_64>
I'm getting a build failures recently on BuildTools for compiling Haiku x86_64
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<countryboy>
mosfet ...
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<countryboy>
bruno : never destroyed => only transformed
<countryboy>
I learned a new one => transformed
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<waddlesplash>
Vidrep_64: strange
<waddlesplash>
buildtools hasn't changed though
<waddlesplash>
so you shouldn't need to recompile it...
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<LegendaryAmerican>
ion air pro wifi does work in haiku.. as its an ip cam. you will lose your wifi access to the net unless you run two wifi adapters.
<LegendaryAmerican>
verified. I was pulling video in on browser mode.
<LegendaryAmerican>
(you could use your cat 5 for internet. Ive gotta try that..)
<LegendaryAmerican>
cause I want to see the easiest way to get ipcam into media prefs.
<LegendaryAmerican>
these days you can get wifi sd for your camera. some nicer video cameras have wifi anyhow. the awesome panasonic 4k stuff has that.
<LegendaryAmerican>
the air pro is awesome.. there is just no way without a hack to get wifi and continual power. battery life is 2 hours, but the camera is waterproof but they never saw their way to put in like extended life battery addon.. or ground connection pass through. you CAN make one and it wouldnt be hard.
<Vidrep_64>
"configure --build-cross-tools x86_64 --cross-tools-source /boot/home/haiku/buildtools" same failure as I pasted earlier
<LegendaryAmerican>
I have also ordered (elite stuff) a bt 3,4, and 5 version mouse.
<waddlesplash>
Vidrep_64: did you delete your generated directory?
<Vidrep_64>
The last time I cloned and compiled buildtools successfully was back in early September. So, something changed
<Vidrep_64>
I did
<LegendaryAmerican>
will also be testing bt with the bluetooth adapter from handheld scientific, but I might have to go into its settings and lower its version which I think I can do.
<Vidrep_64>
I also cloned haiku just to be sure
<LegendaryAmerican>
(that turns any wired usb perephial into a bluetooth one), super bad.
<waddlesplash>
you shouldn't have to clone and recompile these very often
<Vidrep_64>
The same as I've been doing since 64 bit Haiku became available
<LegendaryAmerican>
ill try to get up the ad for the bt 345 mouse off amazon.
<waddlesplash>
in fact I never re-clone, I always just pull
<LegendaryAmerican>
(supposed to obviously work as also a wired mouse)
<Vidrep_64>
This breakage is recent - early September
<waddlesplash>
anyway, no changes to buildtools besides ARM related ones in September
<LegendaryAmerican>
btw, bt is borked on some recent dev builds
<Vidrep_64>
Any hints in the log I posted?
<waddlesplash>
no, it's too short
<Vidrep_64>
Do you want a complete build log?
<waddlesplash>
please open a ticket with the full log
<Vidrep_64>
OK
<LegendaryAmerican>
(you wait til I get my bt midi running, haha...)
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<LegendaryAmerican>
bt still down, no longer list adapter, current hdevs
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<LegendaryAmerican>
the handheld scientific bt-500 is a pretty neat device. in usb mode you can hold the mode button and it will open the command line within a text editor or even terminal
<LegendaryAmerican>
its also a usb bridge.
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<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 721918869c8a - accelerants common: fix crash on x86 i2c tracing
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<LegendaryAmerican>
if I can get it running with the airpro on atheroswifi.. while linked to the lan.. I can get us a pretty nifty haiku cam working
<LegendaryAmerican>
maybe. probably
<LegendaryAmerican>
just too bad the batt is 2 hours only. but its supposedly sixty meters waterproof
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<SamuraiCrow>
What can anybody tell me about the iterator for the Area functions in the MMU control?
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<LegendaryAmerican>
Ok.. so it won't connect to the net in haiku across the lan with the wifi connected to the airport. Which means it's only looking for routing when not connected to the airpro
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<LegendaryAmerican>
This one might be worth checking out. The airpro is cheap used.. HD res. Ip over wifi cam. Does work with haiku in browser mode so at least is pretty accessable.
<LegendaryAmerican>
So trying to get it to work on haiku and have another connection working with the net.. would be probably the shortest route to a full web cam.
<LegendaryAmerican>
Still gonna take a screenshot.
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<LegendaryAmerican>
also. the air one breaks the connection a little bit but that might be our own stack issues. its work some developers getting one.
<jessicah>
what's an air one?
<jessicah>
my googling for airpro doesn't turn up much
<LegendaryAmerican>
ion air pro. in my case, the ion air pro wifi model
<jessicah>
dang, that's like $35 here on clearance
<jessicah>
pretty cheap
<jessicah>
although I don't currently have $35 :-/
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<LegendaryAmerican>
yeah jessicah.. I run into that sometimes. when it rains it pours. but yeah the airpro might work in haiku if I/we can figure out what is going on with things when I connect through the browser interface and lose internet on the lan
<LegendaryAmerican>
its cheap, rugged.. and has a web interface, is a wifi ip cam. so trying to get it to run might be fun.
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<LegendaryAmerican>
and yes. it would be awesome if we could get one permanently on. that might take some cnc.
<LegendaryAmerican>
that takes removing the wifi pod on the back, milling an aluminum barrel with o ring seals.. making a charging and data pass through and sealing up where the power cable comes in.
<LegendaryAmerican>
just wish ion stuck with it long enough to do wireless charging.
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<Begasus>
g'night peeps
<LegendaryAmerican>
nite Begasus
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<LegendaryAmerican>
but I did get a screenshot.
<LegendaryAmerican>
of the air pro live cam in web+