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<nephele> isn't haikuwebkit 1.8.3 in the repos?
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 02a5f8f - qt6_sensors: add recipe
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 1185746 - qt6_sensors: fix build
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/JXLUn
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 8e01100 - qt6_websockets: fix folder name
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes d9ab195 - qt6_serialport: add recipe
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 4b42c48 - qt6-networkauth: add recipe
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 641ae8d - qt6_location: add recipe
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<netpositive> morning Begasus_32
<netpositive> morning Begasus
<Begasus> morning netpositive
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 28048c3 - qt6_location: fix REQUIRES (remove duplicate)
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<Begasus> Haiku doesn't have "fdatasync"?
<Begasus> AC_CHECK_FUNC([fdatasync], [], [AC_MSG_ERROR([fdatasync() function not found.])]) (errors out)
<rennj> fsync, fdatasync - synchronize a file's in-core state with storage device
<rennj> extern intfsync(int fd);
<rennj> unistd.h on haiku has fsync
<Begasus> yeah, found that already
<Begasus> but doesn't seem to provide fdatasync
<rennj> flush
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<Begasus> replacing fdatasync with fsync atleast make the build finish ... https://github.com/vifm/vifm/blob/84ab7ba0ebef5d05612ff3edd8b4e4b940639f20/src/compat/os.c#L360
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<rennj> another mc clone
<rennj> midnight commander!
<rennj> ranger, a file manager based on ncurses and python another ncurses one
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<Begasus> moin humdinger
<x512[m]> rennj: Want this on Haiku.
<Begasus> right rennj with vim support
<humdinger> morning!
<rennj> yeah i saw that
<rennj> and vim plugin for it also or something
<Begasus> yeah
<Begasus> opening images isn't really working in there though
<Begasus> iirc I was looking into another mc clone a while back that used an external viewer when opening image files
<rennj> yeah like feh or something
<rennj> i have rox-filer use xv still for images..i should switch it someday to feh
<rennj> it does thumbnail images file pane, but external viewer can be anything
<rennj> tkdesk!
<rennj> tcl/tk you love it
<Begasus> Not much around at repology for that ... https://repology.org/projects/?search=tdesk :)
<rennj> its ancient
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<Begasus> heading out ... dogschool :)
<rennj> have fun
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-4/±0] https://git.io/JX3jw
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 787a126 - Telegram: bump version, switch to Qt6
<chaoticbob> Is there a way I can debug what the runtime_loader is trying to do when it's resolving a symbol? It's complaining that it has trouble relocating a symbol that's found in the SO.
<rennj> does haiku have strace, ptrace, trace, truss
<Not-5726> [haiku/infrastructure] nielx pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JXs8h
<Not-5726> [haiku/infrastructure] nielx 8451771 - Discourse: update to 2.7.9
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<nephele> haiku definetely hass strace
<nephele> for the other command (names) I'm not certain, but i also don't know what those do :)
<rennj> process tracing...you want the sun micro dtrace buried in the kernel like freebsd,solaris,crapple does for even better tracing
<rennj> dtrace,dtruss
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<nephele> I don't think we have a dtrace port from illumos :)
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<bitigchi> x512[m]: did you know about this: https://github.com/trunkmaster/nextspace
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<netpositive> bitigchi: nice
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<countryboy> hello : i wish you an happy day ... :-)
<countryboy> really ... ;-)
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 3 commits to master [hrev55624] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=a80813fdd104+%5Ef78b75b15dba
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] c9d6d52b03e4 - libfdt: Upgrade to 1.6.1 plus a few commits
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 4b5c7fe7e1f4 - system/boot: add optional alignment to kernel_args_malloc
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] a80813fdd104 - qemu/riscv64: Misc fixups for qemu
<countryboy> noooo ...
<countryboy> qemu to run haiku under haiku xD
<countryboy> recursive xD
<countryboy> a joke ...
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev55625] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=2ca1376080f8+%5Ea80813fdd104
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 2ca1376080f8 - Mass updating of OpenBeOS text to Haiku
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<countryboy> I apologize for everything, absolutely everything, what I said here in the channel ...
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<countryboy> apologies to axeld, humdinger, everybody ...
<countryboy> peace :-)
<countryboy> and laviri.zip is a present to you and all cardware ...
<countryboy> ... lavori.zip ...
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<countryboy> lavori in italian = works in english ...
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports.cross] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JXGxq
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports.cross] davidkaroly dc96537 - gcc: sort out compiler flags for boot libs on ARM (#8)
<countryboy> if you want you can change name of lavori.zip into myworks.zip ...
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<countryboy> dedicated to the lovely Lorena Atzori : https://youtu.be/nZLbH1LoeD0
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<countryboy> 10 PRINT CHR$(147)
<countryboy> 20 PRINT "HELLO HAIKU USER !!!"
<countryboy> HELLO HAIKU USER !!!
<countryboy> RUN
<countryboy> this is C64 basic
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<PulkoMandy> this is spam, please stop doign it
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<countryboy> a joke !!!
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<Not-5726> [haiku/website] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JXcn9
<Not-5726> [haiku/website] kallisti5 66aa776 - guides/building/port_status: Update riscv64 port status
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<barctor> hey, is there a guide or good example project using the layout API?
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/JXc8u
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 4981f51 - QMMP: bump version
<PulkoMandy> barctor, there is https://www.haiku-os.org/documents/dev/laying_it_all_out_part_1 but it uses an older version of the API
<PulkoMandy> and there is https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/api/layout_intro.html but it's maybe a bit short
<PulkoMandy> but from that second example you can see how to use the new BLayoutBuilder class, which is the main difference with the older version which had separate builders for each type of layout (grids, groups, etc)
<barctor> oops I must have missed those, between the two they look ideal
<barctor> okay I'll go through them both and get to grips with BLayoutBuilder
<barctor> thanks PulkoMandy <3
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-1/±0] https://git.io/JXcEz
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 7167d08 - vifm, bump version, fix build (#6372)
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/JXc2F
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes d7ac1f2 - qmmp-plugin-pack: bump version
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<Begasus> re
<Begasus> ticket created for fdatasync
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/JXCYa
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 282eac3 - vttest, bump version (#6373)
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<chaoticbob> Hi - I have a shared lib that has a 'static thread_local' class member variable and this seems to be giving runtime_loader some problems. Are there any known issue around this? I searched and wasn't able to find anything.
<chaoticbob> Error message I get from the runtime_loader is: Troubles relocating: Symbol not found
<chaoticbob> readelf -Ws shows the symbol present
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<PulkoMandy> chaoticbob, yes, static tls is not supported yet in haiku
<PulkoMandy> you can only use dynamic tls where the TLS storage is allocated at runtime (for example using pthread functions)
<PulkoMandy> you can upvote this ticket: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/13294
<chaoticbob> Gotcha, okay let me see if I can patch this to work
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/JXl7Z
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] extrowerk 2701491 - GCC11.2
<chaoticbob> PulkoMandy: done!
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<BrunoSpr> Begasus did you try the patch for Gerbera?
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<Not-5726> [haiku/website] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JX8Mc
<Not-5726> [haiku/website] kallisti5 2badb3c - guides/port_status: More cleanup, add ARM64, drop PowerPC to tier 3
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<Begasus> heading down, g'night peeps
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<LegendaryAmerican> ran build.sh on MeV for updated gcc
<LegendaryAmerican> now it doesnt abnormally terminate.
<LegendaryAmerican> wait yeah it does.
<LegendaryAmerican> but lemme see if I can compile with reporting from fresh
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<LegendaryAmerican> ok so, they just need to update their code on mev, and fix a few warnings. few errors
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<LegendaryAmerican> Id get it to beta on x86 before even thinking about 64 bit. I mean it was alpha and I read the pointer issue preventing use on 64 bit. yes, it is not worth it if it isnt even beta on x86
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<Anarchos> hello everybody !
<Anarchos> I finally manage to install an Ubuntu with a wifi dongle and an ethernet port
<Anarchos> i will use it as a gateway for a second private ethernet network connected to my wifi router
<Anarchos> the goal is to access to it through wifi, use it as a linux dhcp server for the ethernet network
<Anarchos> and other computers connected to this ethernet network will boot haiku by pxe.
<Anarchos> no more usb key neither rebooting to test \o/
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<LegendaryAmerican> ok. so, older mev hangs on termination. at least newer version throws error dialog
<Anarchos> LegendaryAmerican what is «mev» ?
<LegendaryAmerican> a midi composer\sequencer
<LegendaryAmerican> running debugger on its termination debugger is calling for libtiff.. Im like wth
<Anarchos> LegendaryAmerican maybe it tries to display an image ?
<LegendaryAmerican> no. I dont think its that.
<LegendaryAmerican> I did a core dump so I didnt have to go back through from the very beginning
<Anarchos> LegendaryAmerican i never used core dumps. How to you analyze them ?
<LegendaryAmerican> 0x617ee112: 0f34 sysenter
<Anarchos> ok this one is a system call : you enter into kernel
<LegendaryAmerican> yeah, so they dont have that one implemented properly. seems the only problem on application termination. and it might be in the code itself, had only a couple of errors. but more than 5 warnings. it shouldnt take long for an experienced coder to get working
<LegendaryAmerican> imma gonna keep the core file.. go find the build log..
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<maquak> Anarchos you take the core file, you load it with a debugger. If the app was compiled without debug mode, then core file doesn't have source code mappings, so you typically have to tell debugger where are your symbols. Then you can analyse the stack trace which more or less shows what application was trying to do at the time of the crash.
<LegendaryAmerican> (which is why I am looking over man make to change the makefile to produce the mappings)
<Anarchos> LegendaryAmerican usually, you add a «-g» option to gcc (if gcc is your compiler)
<Anarchos> maquak Debugger can do that too ?
<LegendaryAmerican> 0x008abf28: f00fc102 lock xadd %eax, (%ed
<maquak> Do what?
<LegendaryAmerican> soft synth control caused a segmentation exception.
<LegendaryAmerican> as I said.. the code isnt being walked along haiku development I dont think.
<LegendaryAmerican> (i think) double negative
<Anarchos> maquak load core dumps
<LegendaryAmerican> youd want mev, espcially if ukhug attends that midi 2.0 thing
<maquak> Anarchos yes, `Debugger --core file` would do that
<Anarchos> maquak oh i did'nt know this option, i always launch debugger by the leaf menu
<LegendaryAmerican> mev has unabled midi recording from input, which I guess is beta phase.
<maquak> Possibly there's an option to do this from GUI :)
<LegendaryAmerican> thats gonna rawk when they can get mpe..
<LegendaryAmerican> Crtlr is the midi device programming software. that has to be later, so they can get a native port working in haiku.
<LegendaryAmerican> right now.. music is excruciating business to be in.
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<LegendaryAmerican> basically a few million computers or more must be replaced in a year.
<LegendaryAmerican> or software sidegraded to other OSes.
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<Anarchos> LegendaryAmerican why a few million computers must be replaced ??
<LegendaryAmerican> win 11 doesnt support certian processors. and win 10 support will drop quick once 11 is out.
<LegendaryAmerican> its ok. haiku r 1 is supposed to be out by next year sometime.
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/JX4VU
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] win8linux c5cdfde - raceintospace: New recipe (#6299)
<Vidrep_64> Hi
<Vidrep_64> Another bump to gcc 11.2
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<LegendaryAmerican> so i got .core and .report
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<LegendaryAmerican> bbl go nap.
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<Anarchos> hi Vidrep_64
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<Vidrep_64> Hi Anarchos
<Anarchos> Vidrep_64 hi ! i made progress in installing my private network, to play with pxe boot on haiku
<Vidrep_64> I really haven't done much networking type stuff with haiku
<Vidrep_64> How is it working out for you?
<rennj> yeah how is the bootp,tftp,dhcp foobar for the pxe boot... ipxe would be forward thinking
<rennj> ah you got a network up, but have you pxe/ipxe booted anything on said network?
<rennj> netbsd.linux,solaris would be good test before trying haiku i suppose..know you got a squared away system
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<Anarchos> i just installed an Ubuntu
<Anarchos> which will serve as dhcp/tftp server
<Anarchos> i know there jam options to build a network loader haiku_loader.pxe that can be served by pxe . Though it has not been tested for years
<rennj> src/system/boot/platform/pxe_ia32/Jamfile
<rennj> 32bit!
<Anarchos> rennj yes
<rennj> yeah im looking at some of the old code
<Anarchos> is it a problem to have 32 bits ?
<rennj> well no future in it
<rennj> 64bit and 5 level page tables...128PB of ram being addressing
<rennj> whats 32bit got but nostalgia
<rennj> i.e. old code
<rennj> i mean 32bit stuff is dead end..even with PAE, its like 8bit,16bit code..the past
<rennj> dosbox, PCem, 86box someday ill run the old code on that..that the future of 32bit code
<rennj> old games on modern system
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<Anarchos> rennj compiling and building on older machines is simpler, and as resources are scarce, you can uncover bugs or bottlenecks easily
<Anarchos> aaaand 64bits machine with 128P ram are rather expensive for me !
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<Anarchos> don't forget that the gcc2_hybrid platform is the official one so the most clean
<rennj> im just saying that is evoluntary dead end, im not saying 32bit is going away or not to pursue it
<rennj> its become like 8bit 16bit software its past tense...
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<rennj> like uefi boot on only 64bit..things move on
<Anarchos> rennj i am not the writer of haiku_pxe
<Anarchos> rennj if i can make a 64 bits version i will do it
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 2b212ce - qt6_base: fix provides
<Anarchos> rennj but to learn to run you must learn to walk...
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