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<Vidrep_64> Hi waddlesplash
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<chaoticbob[m]> x512: heya - get a chance to put up your Vulkan-Loader changes anywhere?
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<chaoticbob[m]> Is there a way I can force Haiku to always use the vesa driver?
<rennj> ~/config/settings/kernel/drivers/vesa - Only when running in VESA mode.
<rennj> put the mode foo in there...1024 768 16
<rennj> 1280 1024 32
<rennj> you got to create or edit that file..
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<chaoticbob[m]> I have that file
<rennj> mode 1024 768 32
<rennj> guess i forgot the mode part
<chaoticbob[m]> when it boots up it works fine the problem is when I reboot it tries the radeon_hd driver
<chaoticbob[m]> radeon_hd and my monitor do not like each other right now
<rennj> hehe fun fun
<rennj> example of disabling drivers
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<rennj> guess you got to block the radeon_hd
<chaoticbob[m]> ahh! thanks!
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<augiedoggie> there is a kernel config file you can use instead of disabling package entries
<augiedoggie> in /boot/home/config/settings/kernel/drivers/kernel
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<chaoticbob[m]> augiedoggie: thanks - that did the trick
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JXd1M
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] davidkaroly a4c370a - gcc-11.2.0: build bootloader libraries (#6386)
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://git.io/JXFU3
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 8569b59 - yt-dlp: add recipe
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<Anarchos> hello mmu_man
<Begasus> plop :)
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<B2IA> (Mieite) browser
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+4/-3/±0] https://git.io/JXFZ0
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes c9cb90a - RetroShare: bump version
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] korli ae73a4e - cantata: bump version
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<x512[m]> chaoticbob: I hope I can upload Vulkan-Loader haikuporter recipe to HaikuPorts this week, maybe today. I had no time before.
<andreasdr> x512: Nice!!!
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-2/±0] https://git.io/JXFPs
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 9cf8e02 - freeciv: bump version
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JXF92
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 5790bdd - telegram: add dependency on libstdc++
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JXF5M
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 9b50f1a - Revert "gcc-11.2.0: build bootloader libraries (#6386)"
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<x512[m]> Operation confirmed, but some cleanup is needed.
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<andreasdr> Nice
<hooway> hello
<hooway> can i use haiku as server to host a website?
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<x512[m]> hooway: Technically you can. Following frameworks are confirmed to work: Django, Laravel, Spring. But you can't run system without GUI without patching system code.
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/JXbJr
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 605e69a - wordgrinder, bump version (#6394)
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<BrunoSpr> hooway... yes we have BeShare as example which uses Muscle server...
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<BrunoSpr> X512 am I wrong?
<countryboy> BrunoSpr: and AnyShare ?
<BrunoSpr> no idea of anyshare...
<BrunoSpr> never heard of it in BeOs World!
<countryboy> xD a new name 4 beshare ... ;-)
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<Guest5703> What was the trick to resolve "waiting for build package to be activated"?
<x512[m]> Guest5703 (IRC): Delete work directory.
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<Guest5703> Work directory has disk directories mounted
<x512[m]> df -a
<x512[m]> unmount
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<Guest5703> The project I'm building tries to install libs to /system/lib/ in the package build, what is the "correct" place it should try to install to during build?
<x512[m]> $libDir
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<Guest5703> Thanks
<hooway> what php version is "php" package in haikudepot?
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<Guest5703> php-7.4.16-3
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://git.io/JXbWJ
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] X547 4ddada7 - vulkan: add recipe (#6392)
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<hooway> where is nginx /www/ located?
<LegendaryAmerican> I dunno.. if bastl ever figures out how to make trinity berg work similar to pocket operators.. though along a 4 pin berg right and left.. because, i think you cant send wav data over trinity berg. but control signals. yeah. its cooler to me than modplug.
<LegendaryAmerican> theres a few other guys using the berg connectors.
<LegendaryAmerican> *actually in a way similar to midi or cv modplug*, if there was a standard, I know that haiku aftermarket has arduino dev kit
<LegendaryAmerican> with a standard then mev and sequiter could control trinity itself direct interface. pie in the sky sure. I havent checked mev with the arturia keystep yet.
<LegendaryAmerican> ok. arturia shows up. mev doesnt record yet but it shows output
<hooway> where can i suggest stuff for haiku?
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<LegendaryAmerican> dont be suprised to hear "the capability existed in beos, has not been implemented in haiku yet" and a lot of this pertains to third-party. a bit is just getting a rock solid R1 out the door.
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JXbu6
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys 5169d97 - StreamRadio: bump srcGitRev
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<LegendaryAmerican> for mev.. for instance.. in beos they had a few guys working with a pre beta version. but changing over to haiku meant people had to stop to see how everything was going to be implemented. things fell by the wayside. beos used to support a fair number of video cameras.. haiku supports very little at this time.
<humdinger> Diver: yesterday Begasus and Vidrep and me planned to do a bumped version for StreamRadio.
<humdinger> Diver: I also wanted to added new translations first.
<LegendaryAmerican> when youre talking about hundreds of thousands of lines of code.. reimplementing is a monumental feat.. for an org that hasnt ever broke the 1 Million Dollar mark.
<Diver> ouch, sorry about that
<humdinger> well, we'll do another release in a few days then.
<Diver> still it can be done
<Diver> sure :)
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<humdinger> sure. we'll go straight to 1.0 then. would've made more sense with those larger changes instead of just a few more translations... :)
<LegendaryAmerican> haiku.. because.. it (is functionally) the beos.. is the only operating system ever made which has been completly written from scratch TWICE. R1 we hope is huge in the computer and internet community
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<LegendaryAmerican> although there has been programming changes.. some.. required changes.
<LegendaryAmerican> written twice. crazee :-)
<humdinger> Apropos StreamRadio: additional/updated translations wanted at https://i18n.kacperkasper.pl/projects/29
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<hooway> can you guys add support for different php versions in haikudepot?
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JXb2X
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] korli e58ef3c - vulkan: clean up
<Niklas[m]> Does anyone here know other interesting niche OSes?I'm currently looking for a suitable OS for my third computer (normal x86_64 desktop computer).Haiku runs on my main computer already,so I want to try out something else there.I'll look into all suggestions except Windows and Linux.
<hooway> OS written in common lisp
<Niklas[m]> That looks really interesting.I'll try that one.
<Guest5703> ToAruOS (Like the anime)
<Niklas[m]> Ah right,I even bookmarked this one,but totally forgot about it :D Looks like there's not even USB support,however?That would be quite disappointing
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<Niklas[m]> Tried Mezzano now but it takes ages to boot and not even mouse and keyboard are working (I guess it's because the docs explicitely say it needs to be PS/2 but the device has no PS/2 ports)...
<LegendaryAmerican> (we are past the alt os boom)
<LegendaryAmerican> another one.. if its cyclic.. might come again.
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<LegendaryAmerican> I was always enamoured by menuet OS
<LegendaryAmerican> it now has usb midi support. its so lightweight.. it could go on a lot of these little chippy dippies
<Niklas[m]> MenuetOS is of course interesting,but it has no Wifi and no web browser,correct?
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<Vidrep_64> Hi humdinger
<Vidrep_64> I guess we'll be giving the translation bump for StreamRadio 0.0.5-4
<LegendaryAmerican> http://menuetos.net/net02.jpg
<Vidrep_64> rather 0.0.5-3
<LegendaryAmerican> it probably does, but I think the raspberry pi crowd is like, dont do menuet os on rpi.
<Vidrep_64> Maybe wait for more significant changes before going to 1.0
<LegendaryAmerican> they have a c lib. but everything is broken down to assembly code.. no middlemen. and no C++
<Niklas[m]> That screenshot doesn't even look that bad.I should probably give it a try
<LegendaryAmerican> in lower level languages you have to spend a lot more time having to know how to hunt down how to implement something. I am not a coder, but I have done some coding.. and I can tell you that is not fun
<Niklas[m]> Well,I'm not planning to code with it.I just need something that I can use.
<LegendaryAmerican> unless it specifies in class compliance how to implement something, in higher level languages.. there are several ways to implement something.
<LegendaryAmerican> and some class compliancies are more open ended.. some are closer ended.. some have hard and fast rules.. must be done this way. with lower level there is just fewer options.
<LegendaryAmerican> so even yes.. while you can build the assembly in any tool.. itll always compile down to the constraint.
<LegendaryAmerican> menuet os is cool for people who like spending a lot of time in assembly. most driver programming requires some understanding of it.
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<Niklas[m]> Hm,then it's not the right choice for me
<Niklas[m]> Maybe I should just install FreeBSD?Or give Arch GNU/Hurd another try?
<LegendaryAmerican> Its worth the eval. it fits on a *floppy* size.
<LegendaryAmerican> haiku has borrowed some things from bsd.
<LegendaryAmerican> so it kinda pays to have people over there who knows whats being written.
<Begasus> humdinger, finished the dutch translation for StreamRadio earlier today :)
<Niklas[m]> I know,for example the network drivers.Still,FreeBSD feels a lot like Linux and I wanted something totally different.
<LegendaryAmerican> it is that for sure.
<LegendaryAmerican> also.. raspbian and building in python.. I used not to think anything of python even if there was a lot to it.. until rasbperry pi came out.
<LegendaryAmerican> as I think there is a haiku port to rpi. of which there is also a python implementation for haiku too. so.. things from source should just roll right over.
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JXb9V
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 5ab8ec1 - opencolorio1, blender, disable build (#6393)
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<LegendaryAmerican> https://www.futur3soundz.com/xfm2 esp seeing they are talking about getting an rpi touchscreen model to be able to control this with full editing transport and so on. of course to get haiku os on it.. and yes.. that would mean a flagship synthesizer *thus* running haiku aboard.
<LegendaryAmerican> (some fella has one connected with also reaper daw running)
<LegendaryAmerican> so, its halfway to becomming a full flagship synth, with built in arranging.
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/JXbHX
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 50f6d72 - w3m, bump version (#6395)
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<LegendaryAmerican> youll probably be able to buy it built for 600.. with keys and all the bells and whistles fully assembled.. or a kit for a bit cheaper.. but itll be able to do what a 3000 dollar flagship can do.
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<LegendaryAmerican> of course the real trick with that is being able to get a good price on a semi weighted hammer action keyboard with aftertouch.
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<humdinger> Begasus: I saw. Very good :)
<humdinger> Vidrep_64: If StreamRadio had any active devs, I'd say, yes, wait with 1.0. But as it stands, there won't be significant changes in the near future, I fear.
<Begasus> So why not move it to 1.0 now humdinger ?
<humdinger> I plan to do just that.
<humdinger> after updating the catkeys
<Begasus> OK :)
<humdinger> Diver just jumped the gun on the recipe update :)
<Begasus> Yeah, saw it, sometimes we are just to fast :P
<humdinger> Our motto: Push fast, push twice
<Begasus> In case of blender 25 times :)
<humdinger> people love it even more if the package is really big... :P
<Begasus> jikes no!
<Begasus> probably fire up a build for the new yacreader tonight, small source, takes ages to build :P
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<rennj> coolread/fbreader kind of suck compared to palmpilot tealdoc
<rennj> ebook reading on android blows compared to my palmpilots
<rennj> i mean you can do txt2speech with coolreader/fbreader..but im not doing audio books
<rennj> i just want a nice autoscroll, but it blows on android compared to 16 greyscale palmpilot display..
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<Vidrep_64> humdinger, is there a way to include the revision number in the "About" window for StreamRadio?
<humdinger> anything's possible. But as long as it's that custom about window thing, it's not a no-brainer.
<humdinger> One could argue we should just use a normal AboutWindow
<humdinger> In fact I would argue that... :)
<Vidrep_64> Me too
<Vidrep_64> Keep things as consistent as possible for native haiku apps
<humdinger> hmm... that will probably again change the catkeys...
<bitigchi> I was thinking the same thing yesterday. That about window sticks out much compared to the other applications
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<bitigchi> I'd prefer a standard Haiku about box
<humdinger> let's do that then. I won't get around to it before sunday. if anyone wants to, you know where to PR.
<LegendaryAmerican> (with blender, and blackmagic resolve.. (which is free for non commercial use.. ) you would have serious tools.
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<LegendaryAmerican> Davinci Resolve is for linux. its possible to convince them to allow a port to haiku
<LegendaryAmerican> they have a win mac and linux ver.
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/JXNko
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 66c719e - xmlsec, bump version (#6397)
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<Begasus> heading down, g'night peeps
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<LegendaryAmerican> brb
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