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<NaGERST>
gordonjcp: Yeah i get do you know Aari or Meri a lot.
<NaGERST>
but there is very few sami left after 500 years of occupation by the russians, swedes, finns and norwegians. So it is HIGHLY likely that i know either.
<NaGERST>
imagine what a Sami country would have been like. Sapmi is the dream. never going to happen, and we will be resigned to history
<NaGERST>
sami music is awesome though. Ever hear Sofia Jannokk?
<bjorkintosh>
Sami? I thought Sami were Finns?
<NaGERST>
I sometimes play Europea Universalis as Sapmi and allthough weak, it just make me feel good that we are even a possible country.
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<Begasus>
not yet, but thnx Fedora :)
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<coolcoder613>
Hello
<Begasus>
Hi coolcoder613
<phschafft>
Good evening coolcoder613.
<Begasus>
add_definitions(-Wno-deprecated-copy -Wno-redundant-move -Wno-class-memaccess) (I guess for code that dates back 5 years it's good enough to silense them) :)
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<spazz_haiku>
great OS haiku is becoming i'm seriously thinking of replacing OSX on all my old mac's and give them life again
<spazz_haiku>
an Imac late 2006(white) & a MacBook Pro 2007
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<Begasus>
bugger :/ build error ...
<Begasus>
nice to hear spazz_haiku
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<Begasus>
bbl
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<OscarL>
Great, my desktop PC doesn't even powers on anymore. Not sure what died this time (PSU or motherboard).
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<Skipp_OSX>
:(
<Begasus>
nice :) grabbing qtwebkit-5.212.0~pre20200924-4-x86_64.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/qtwebkit-5.212.0~pre20200924-4-x86_64.hpkg
<Begasus>
bugger OscarL :(
<OscarL>
yeah... finished testing git last night... today was pretty cold-dead, lol.
<OscarL>
updated "bash_completion" too, fixing an issue I had with its pkgman completion, and trying to fix the "updating bash_completion breaks it" (due to an old .sh file under etc/profile.d not being updated).
<OscarL>
Too bad I didn't pushed it out of that PC, heh.
<Begasus>
dogs ...
<Begasus>
re
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<Begasus>
rebuild for qtwebkit ...
<Begasus>
OscarL, when done here I'll have a look at git if no one steps up :)
<OscarL>
Alright, thanks.
<OscarL>
Seems to work as well as before for me, tests went similar to the last time I've run them. I think my changes in the "config.c vs builtins/config.c" part of the changes need the most attention, just in case I messed up the original patch intention :-D
<Begasus>
heh
<OscarL>
"git config -l" works fine thou, so I'm more or less happy with that (and the test-suite having "good" results too :-D)
<Begasus>
-l as in "list"?
<OscarL>
yup... just to make sure it can read both user and global settings.
<Begasus>
ah, feature request! :)
<Begasus>
I can use "tab" key when adding new stuff with "git add ...", but that doesn't work for "git rm ..."
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<OscarL>
this new recipe should install the git completion right from the upstream package, so if it is working with that, good, if not... make sure you remove the old "git-completions.sh" under /etc/ that we shipped for a while, before removing it (as it interfered with mksh)
<Begasus>
still got that installed in: /boot/system/settings/etc/profile.d
<OscarL>
dealing with old/outdated files under /etc/ is a pain in the rear,, as "auto-merge" doesn't seems to work right (or at all), and I guess the only way of removing old files is via a post-install script...
<OscarL>
risking removing user modified files (big no-no)
<Begasus>
right there
<Begasus>
I "maybe" nuked KIO here like that, cleaned out ~/config/settings stuff ...
<OscarL>
I haven had a good time when dealing with GLOBAL_WRITABLE_FILES.
<OscarL>
*haven't (darn laptop keyboard)
<Begasus>
bugger, one laptop crashed (CPU get's too hot there) :(
<Begasus>
could use that acceleration in Qemu :)
<Begasus>
70
<OscarL>
I had installed version 2.11-2 of bash_completion package... installed the (locally built) updated one: 2.14.0... pkgman ended up complaining that it couldn't update the old GLOBAL_WRITABLE_FILES because it was missing the 2.11-1 version... WAT?
<OscarL>
Begasus: could use your laptop to warm my room... :-D (kinda chilly at the moment)
<Begasus>
That's Dutch, in Enlgish it's WHAT :)
<Begasus>
You wouldn't want that on your lap :P
<Begasus>
32bit one is pretty stable, but half of the keys don't work on that laptop :/
<OscarL>
just to be clear... I DID have the correct 2.11-2 files under administrative/writable-files, so that makes me thing that GLOBAL_WRITABLE_FILES' "auto-merge" is just broken.
<OscarL>
I should file a bug on Trac, if I ever get my PC working again (or a new setup where to replicate the issue).
<OscarL>
Begasus: heh, got "half-a-netbook" here, also with only parts of the keyboard working, no screen... spent a week trying to run Haiku on it. Kinda have up :-(
<OscarL>
makes a nice little VoidLinux server, thou.
<Begasus>
good thing I can keep myself busy copy/paste to my other one ;)
<OscarL>
via private IRC room?
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<Begasus>
just one on one in Vision
<OscarL>
give ssh a go, if you haven't already.
<Begasus>
haven't so far, should figure that out I guess :)
<Begasus>
think I only used that about 20years ago :D so a "bit" rusty there :P
<OscarL>
Yeah... I only had used it for a while (for work), via pretty slow connections to slow servers.... I finally tried it on my machines here a few days ago... even that old atom half-netbook "feels" like a power house when used via ssh from another machine, lol.
<OscarL>
(up to the point when you ask it to actually do compute-intensive tasks, of course :-D)
<OscarL>
hope we get mDNS/avahi on Haiku one day... makes setting up local netwokrs like that just way easy.
<nosycat>
<3 ssh
<OscarL>
hi nosycat! :-)
<nosycat>
Hello!
<Begasus>
it slows down local PC OscarL?
<Begasus>
Hi nosycat! :)
<OscarL>
Begasus: it is extremelly low resource intensive.
<Begasus>
I would only need it to launch builds on the other one :)
<OscarL>
exactly... that was what I was wanting to do with this old netbook... setup a haiku install, and let it build stuff overnight (even if slow... letting it just run)... accessing it via ssh to run commands.
<nosycat>
sshd just sleeps when not in use
<nosycat>
And most command-line apps are super-light.
<OscarL>
too bad Haiku doesn't seems to like at all that particular netbook :-(
<Begasus>
now you got me curious :)
<Begasus>
qtwebkit almost there ...
<OscarL>
I was using cmd.exe from win10 to ssh into both another netbook (with Haiku), and into the one with linux... both felt faster than using the machines themselves :-D
<OscarL>
well, except for midnight commander's startup time, not sure why it takes its time to start... then works like a charm.
<nosycat>
It only takes a second and a half here to cold-start.
<nosycat>
Who knows.
<nosycat>
Haven't measured on the netbook.
<OscarL>
the one from voidlinux is slower for me on that atom n455 cpu. well... that machine is even slower than my Atom N450 one, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<nosycat>
Go figure.
<nosycat>
Wait, what edition of Void?
<OscarL>
the glibc one (just wanted to avoid surprises with compatibility)
<nosycat>
Good call.
<OscarL>
my main point in having a linux install was to compare output logs from builds of Python, and compare tests resutls with the one from Haiku.
<nosycat>
Interesting!
<OscarL>
(trying to understand where our problems are)
<nosycat>
Makes sense.
<OscarL>
the 3.13.0 Python betas builds significantly faster on linux than on haiku, much to my disadvantage :-(
<nosycat>
Everything assumes Linux nowadays. BSD folks complain about it too.
<OscarL>
besides that... I'm willing to bet BFS performs way worse than etc, killing my build/test-runs times :-/
<OscarL>
s/etc/ext4/
<nosycat>
You think? Huh.
<OscarL>
just deleting a folder with 10K files basically makes all my Haiku installs unusable for 2 to 5 minutes.
<nosycat>
:O
<OscarL>
as in... you can't even close Pe windows... as it tries to save some attributes back to disk... and it has to wait while that other folder is being deleted.
<OscarL>
I guess folks with SSDs have less issues than me :-D
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<augiedoggie>
it might be a little bit faster on a partition without BFS indexes
<augiedoggie>
part of the slowness probably isn't even disk IO related, fork/exec on Haiku is painfully slow
<augiedoggie>
^ with regard to build times, not deleting of files
<nosycat>
Hmm!
<Begasus>
what is the ssh pswd?
<OscarL>
Begasus: whatever you want... not on haiku right now... /bin/passwd or something like that, and you can change it.
<OscarL>
augiedoggie: I should hive that a try next time I setup my build installs. Thanks for the reminder.
<OscarL>
Wish we could use the same haikuports repo/dir for both 64 and 32 bits. Wonder how difficult it would be to modify haikuporter to use repository-{x86-32,x86-64,etc}.
<OscarL>
instead of it nuking the repository date for platforms it doesn't recognizes :-D
<OscarL>
s/date/data/
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<OscarL>
Begasus: just in case, you need to enable root login on the sshd settings file, otherwise you won't be able to log in via ssh into haiku.
<Begasus>
OscarL, booted image in Qemu to checkup on qtwebkit/icu now :)
<Begasus>
won't be for today I guess
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<OscarL>
PSA... do not try to use RAM_FS as B_SYSTEM_TEMP_DIRECTORY... pkgman/packagefs will choke on that, preventing repo refreshes/updates, etc.
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<Begasus>
ok, checked, ICU66 uninstalled without taking down kdevelop :P
<OscarL>
there's seems to be some issue with its handling of temp files. I guess it tries to move the downloaded repo data, and fails when dst and src are not on the same file system.
<OscarL>
nice Begasus :-)
<Begasus>
that's 2 major ones not needing the old icu anymore ... me glad :)
<OscarL>
yesterday I uninstalled ALL *_devel and *_python packages here (from around 650 package down to around 370), trying to see if that would speed up my beta4 boot times... didn't change in any noticeable way.
<OscarL>
points to packagefs for that... but no idea why I get to 20s "pauses" (after the disk icon, and after the rocket one) :-D
<Begasus>
been there :)
<OscarL>
s/get to/get two/
<Begasus>
still too much connected on this install to remove old icu :/
<Begasus>
+2.2k packages "installed" atm :)
<OscarL>
ouch.
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<Begasus>
figures something is bound to brake :P
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<Begasus>
if I wasn't afraid to loose a lot I would do a clean install here, but not yet :)
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<OscarL>
could also just "mv icu66*.hpkg" from Terminal and see what stops working? :-P (you might need to remove activated_packages, restore icu66, reboot in order to clean up the breakage thou)
<OscarL>
or just nuke system/packages from another install, and copy .hpkgs from a beta4 .iso... been there at least twice :-P
<Begasus>
k, afk for a while, pushed to the repo for a PR (wip)
<augiedoggie>
i seem to recall getting weird pauses like that on my old phenom board, iirc there was some weird delay when Haiku started probing SATA ports for my controller
<Begasus>
bbl
<augiedoggie>
built into the code
<OscarL>
happens for me even on VBox on that Phenom :-/
<augiedoggie>
do you have a lot of fonts installed?
<OscarL>
changing mode from IDE to Native IDE, to AHCI... no change.
<OscarL>
On Haiku? only the default ones... and I think I even removed the CJK ones on at least one install :-D
<OscarL>
I do remember fresh beta4 booting faster. Oh well.
<OscarL>
now PC wont even power on, so... not much of an issue anymore, LOL.
<OscarL>
augiedoggie: btw... would be nice to have a beezer recipe update to include the .hpkg support (missed it last night on one of my installs that had only upstream Beezer installed :-D)
<OscarL>
genio could use more frequent releases too (sometimes I don't want to locally build things). Not sure if we have genio devs on the room :-)
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<augiedoggie>
they have automated builds but iirc it's for nightlies
<augiedoggie>
hm, they used to have more up to date builds, maybe haikuports is up to date
<augiedoggie>
you could fork their project on github and set up the CI to produce the builds for you :P
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<OscarL>
I unpacked/modified/repacked one of their .hpkg to make it installable on beta4, worked alright. Can't find the binaries for their CI runs. Maybe I'm blind :-D
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<Begasus>
closing down, cu peeps!
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<cocobean>
Zard: For haikuwebkit2, I saw FontsHaiku.cpp had a commit missing that was in the haiku default branch.
<cocobean>
427 commits when rebased on WebKit 619.1.16.
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