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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-2/±3] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/da1bd9d4bc32...0f37c047c80a
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie 0f37c04 - zeal: enable singleton code and 32 bit (#10442)
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<botifico> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/6f6e9c8240e2...b6633c9bcb26
<botifico> [haiku/website] dalmemail b6633c9 - NVMM GSoC 2024 Initial Post (#678)
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<botifico> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/b6633c9bcb26...3059c2fce694
<botifico> [haiku/website] trungnt2910 3059c2f - blog/trungnt2910: GSoC 2024 introduction blog (#679)
<rennj> qemu vt-x/svm haha ring -1
<rennj> haiku vmm ring -1 in the kernel...?
<rennj> gsoc code have fun on that..i remember before intel vt-x and amd svm, vmware sucked also
<rennj> it would eat all the cpu
<rennj> linux,freebsd,m$ all have vmware 1,2,3 support..see freebsd ports
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<rennj> then intel and amd added the vt-x and svm foo to their chips..
<rennj> usps zipcode paper from 30 years ago was original; neural network...
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<rennj> https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8909 en/arch/x86/vmx*.c., xen/include/asm-x86/vmx*.h and xen/arch/x86/x86_32/entry.S.
<rennj> monkey see, monkey do...
<botifico> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/3059c2fce694...44c50f3d26ac
<botifico> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 44c50f3 - Activity Report, April.
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<HaikuUser2> What is this
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<HaikuUser2> Is this a chat box?
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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* coolcoder613 waves
* Begasus waves back
<Begasus> dogs ...
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<Begasus> ML
<Begasus> me cleaning the keyboard :)
<coolcoder613> I did that a while ago
<coolcoder613> Didn't help for very long
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<Begasus> still pretty good here :)
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<Anarchos> hello
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<Begasus> trying to boot some other OS's (tried Manjaro earlier) in Qemu isn't the best experience, so looking forward on what the accelaration could accomplish there :)
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<Begasus> downside from using remotes on a working repo ... updating dependencies :/
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<Calisto_Mathias> Heyyy
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0f37c047c80a...6b6248f92ab7
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 6b6248f - kasts, kde podcast player, new recipe (#10443)
<Begasus> Hi Calisto_Mathias :)
<Calisto_Mathias> Hi there Begasus
<Calisto_Mathias> How are you doing?
<Begasus> fine, fidling with qemu to check some things on 32bit :)
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<Calisto_Mathias> oh that's great
<Calisto_Mathias> AuggieDoggie, thanks a lot for that book recommendation
<Calisto_Mathias> It's been great reading it... Am almost done with it
<Begasus> How is it going over there?
<Calisto_Mathias> Me?
<Begasus> yeah Calisto_Mathias :)
<Calisto_Mathias> Things are going pretty good :) Finally got back to India and pushed my blog post to the haiku website. I think in a while it will get merged with the main website
<Begasus> nice! +1
<Calisto_Mathias> I came up with a few ideas for the live updating of the files as well
<Calisto_Mathias> at first I thought that we could execute a new search everytime, but it just struck me that essentially what we are doing by adding more and more attributes in a live search would be to make a search move narrow... so now I'm thinking of something on those lines.. Probably will solidify it in a few days or something of that sort :)
<Calisto_Mathias> That book is helping out a lotttt tho
<Calisto_Mathias> should have found it earlier xD
<Begasus> good thing augiedoggie pointed you in the right direction then :)
<Calisto_Mathias> yup
<Calisto_Mathias> Would never have thought to read that book otherwise to be honest
<phschafft> anyone has a BeBox and can tell me how many LEDs are in the blinken lights?
<Begasus> unfortunatly never had one
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<Begas_> plop, konversation ready for update too :)
<Begas_> biab, doggies :)
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<zard> Yes, lld works now. Rebuild times after a minor change went from 30 minutes to 1 minute
<zard> Now, I got some pull request to make :)
<Begas_> nice zard!
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<phschafft> hm.
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<coolcoder613> Hi zard
<zard> Hello coolcoder613 :)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/6b6248f92ab7...766282442bc5
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 7662824 - konversation, bump version (#10444)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/766282442bc5...975cee83b6d3
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 975cee8 - konversation, revbump, fixes launch on 32bit (libdbus needed for Qt5) (#10446)
<Begasus> now if there was some accelaration in qemu I spotted it earleir :)
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<Begasus> Can't get a descent boot for Manjaro or the likes, but can boot 2 arch's of Haiku in qemu just fine ;) https://0x0.st/XK5p.png
<nosycat> Good work!
<Begasus> didn't do anything there ;)
<Begasus> biab
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<Begasus> switching theme colors ...
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<boody24[m]> good evening
<boody24[m]> I took zard 's word I looked into the icon-o-matic app for starting
<boody24[m]> I have a question which may seem stupid. Should I build the whole haiku project or is there a way to only build the app
<boody24[m]> and add this small change into it
<boody24[m]> * the app?
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<Begasus[m]> No expert in building Haiku, but I "think" you at least need a first full build? (correct me if I'm wrong)
<jmairboeck> you can build just Icon-O-Matic as well, by specifying the app name as an argument to jam
<jmairboeck> the initial build will take a bit longer because it builds all dependencies as well
<Begasus[m]> without the initial build jmairboeck ?
<jmairboeck> jam builds all dependencies automatically
<Begasus[m]> but not the full system?
<jmairboeck> you don't get a full build then though, but you can run the built executable directly
<Begasus[m]> ah, good to know for future questions about it :)
<jmairboeck> that only works on Haiku of course, so not when cross-compiling
<jmairboeck> I think I never did a full build of Haiku myself, the most I built was haiku.hpkg
<jmairboeck> which is also a target name you can specify
<Begasus[m]> script I have here is always doing a nightly image
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<Begasus[m]> but then that's also used to check the system, not individual parts (probably can't check a nightly binary on R1B4 also I think)
<jmairboeck> If you want to boot it in QEMU that is easier for sure :)
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<Begasus[m]> right, and as I already got the initial build a new one doesn't take that long too :)
<boody24[m]> jmairboeck: btw will my i7-2620M CPU and 10 Gigabytes of ram laptop be able to build it without crashing all the time?
<boody24[m]> I will do it and know for sure
<boody24[m]> but What should I expect?
<jmairboeck> I think that should handle building Haiku just fine
<jmairboeck> no idea how long it will take though
<Begasus> k, done playing for today :)
<Begasus> cu peeps!
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<slapdoge[m]> Hi guys, im trying to compile from source and im getting this error when running `jam -j10 -q @nightly-anyboot`:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/jYthFuHtDBiVpWkpvELkgJJs>)
<slapdoge[m]> * Hi guys, im trying to compile from source and im getting this error when running `jam -j10 -q @nightly-anyboot`:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/QsFjKLeSkDZfKqYJbYJIIbUu>)
<slapdoge[m]> * Hi guys, im trying to compile from source and im getting this error when running `jam -j10 -q @nightly-anyboot`:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/MbWwbYiLxOMAmMIlsUMKwWtZ>)
<augiedoggie> either you don't have the development tools installed or you configured the build and then upgraded to gcc13
<slapdoge[m]> I just did an update, would this have broken it?
<augiedoggie> yes, it probably updated you to gcc13, you should be able to run `../configure --update` from your generated directory
<augiedoggie> and then rebuild everything
<slapdoge[m]> how can I specify how many threads to use as it took a long time last time?
<augiedoggie> you should not need to build to compiler if you're on Haiku
<augiedoggie> the compiler*
<slapdoge[m]> ok thanks for your help I will re configure now
<slapdoge[m]> It is prompting me to install a python interpreter, can I just install python3.11?
<augiedoggie> yes
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<slapdoge[m]> hmm, its not detecting python... I just installed it.
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<slapdoge[m]> It seems to be looking for these binaries:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/DfVoIGELbmthXsZRjbDqNvfq>)
<slapdoge[m]> nevermind, still doesn't detect it, weird
<slapdoge[m]> fixed it by installing all the python packages
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<slapdoge[m]> So I fixed everything and now im met with this error:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/xlXLWAyMXMhmAvkwrYZvPyAb>)
<slapdoge[m]> * So I fixed everything and now im met with this error:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/sngfCWjgjbaOUGRNOdFMUXMZ>)
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<coolcoder613_32> how can I transfer files over a null-modem serial line from my Haiku machine to my BeOS machine?
<gordonjcp> I guess you could look at PPP
<gordonjcp> set up PPP, copy them across with scp?
<rennj> 2 nics and crossover cable
<rennj> ftp
<rennj> since beos has ftpd
<gordonjcp> I'm guessing the serial connection thing is because one or other machine has no working network card
<rennj> well serial is going to suck
<rennj> how about usb thumb drive
<rennj> or floppy
<rennj> haha
<rennj> yeah most be own switches now...5 ports or more
<rennj> pull the disk is quicker!
<rennj> beos has the httpd ftpd telnetd foo
<rennj> got to go into network settings...robinhood webbbrowser
<rennj> but also set the passwd for telnet/ftp
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<coolcoder613_32> But how can I get pppd for Haiku
<phschafft> on most systems once you have a pppd installed you can just call that with the device you want to connect to.
<rennj> DCE/DTE serial connection
<rennj> Conventionally, computers and terminals are DTE, while peripherals such as modems are DCE. If it is necessary to connect two DTE (or DCE) devices together, a cable with reversed TX and RX lines, known as a cross-over, roll-over or null modem cable must be used.
<rennj> the serial connect app might be enough on beos/haiku..no ppp
<rennj> xmodem,zmodem,ymodem,kermit foo...
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<gordonjcp> it's 2024 and I am sitting here defragging a Windows XP disk
<gordonjcp> what the hell is wrong with the world
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<rennj> haha
<gordonjcp> phschafft: I'm probably going to do a video about dialup modems soon
<gordonjcp> before they all go away for good
<dovsienko> coolcoder613_32: rennj: correct, a serial file transfer protocol would fit the problem space better
<rennj> 56k flex/zoom or whatever
<rennj> double shotgun modem
<rennj> that was peak
<dovsienko> the original 16550 UART didn't go above 115200 bps, but 20 or so years ago this went up to 2 Mbps or so
<rennj> In conjunction with Internet service providers, Diamond Multimedia began field testing its Shotgun modem technology, a scheme that essentially enables users to pair two 56-kbps modems.
<rennj> With Shotgun, users with two phone lines can integrate data from each line into one stream traveling at the combined rate of the two modems, according to Diamond. For example, two 56-kbps modems that support Shotgun could theoretically transmit data at 112-kbps.
<dovsienko> if you do not put modems and a telephone network between the ports, high speeds are realistic using a short cable, ideally with more than 3 wires (+CTS +RTS) and hardware flow control
<gordonjcp> rennj: https://gjcp.net/modem.jpg
<rennj> good stuff u.s.robotics
<gordonjcp> I am currently trying to cook an image of that laptop's hard disk into something that can realistically be transferred to a vm
<gordonjcp> that was in the bag with the laptop
<rennj> p2v
<gordonjcp> the idea being if the control room systems fail then a laptop and a modem can dial out to fire stations directly to activate the pagers
<dovsienko> minicom would do
<rennj> dump/restore if you were on unix
<dovsienko> dd
<gordonjcp> rennj: so
<rennj> i moved my freebsd 4.4 physical to vmware using dump/restore
<gordonjcp> the laptop runs Windows XP
<gordonjcp> I booted it off a USB stick, and used dd if=/dev/sda | gzip | ssh desktopmachine dd of=laptop.image.gz
<rennj> yeah boot linux live media, make backup and then just reverse to vm...
<dovsienko> you didn't rob a museum by any chance?
<gordonjcp> dovsienko: close, I work for the emergency services
<rennj> skin the cat many ways
<rennj> dd |rsync
<gordonjcp> dovsienko: we're getting rid of all the dialup modems on our paging encoders, because BT is getting rid of dialup in general
<dovsienko> "dd bs=1M" unless your goal is to stress-test I/O
<gordonjcp> that's the default in modernish dd anyway
<dovsienko> nope
<rennj> defualt bs=512K
<dovsienko> 512 bytes
<dovsienko> which is one sector
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<phschafft> the chip on my devel computer can do 2.5Mbaud in async mode and in sync mode (with a clock line) about 10Mbaud.
<phschafft> gordonjcp: I considered if there is any way for me to use one of my modems to do anything. but there is really so little of a network left that it's just not worth the time for me. so happy if someone preserves some of the culture around it. :)
<phschafft> gordonjcp: also working a little on some wireless modem stuff I want to have in my devel computer. which has some common aspects with wired transmission.
<CompanionCube> dovsienko: eh, these days it's more likely 4k for one sector?
<dovsienko> CompanionCube: not as far as dd is still concerned (for backward compatibility or standard compliance, I would guess)