<ebruce613>
Big difference between an esp32 and an Arduino Leonardo
<OscarL>
I should probably get back to try to do something with my 2 remaining ESP8266 crappy clones... given they don't spontaneously blow up like the third I had :-D
<ebruce613>
I like micropython
<OscarL>
Got it in one of those little boards, yeah.
<OscarL>
certainly beats the hell out of the "computer kits" I had access too when I was your age :-D. Our "computer kits" where mostly just a 9v battery, and some jumoer wires making some small light bulbs go on/off... lol
<ebruce613>
I had some of those
<ebruce613>
I think they where snap together though
<OscarL>
I hope you didn't like I did... trying to replicate said "computer kit" by just running some wires bridges... while hooking up the contraption into the main 220v :-P
<ebruce613>
ouch
<OscarL>
and I was the "bright" one in the family... go figure :-P
<ebruce613>
Or bang?
<ebruce613>
My desk used to be covered with lego...
<OscarL>
pretty much a bang, yes... this was in the 80s... in Argentina... we only had wire-fuses at the time... and we just kept making them wider so they didn't blow out so often...
<ebruce613>
Now it's covered in computers
<OscarL>
amazing I survived that era :-P
<OscarL>
ebruce613: bet you'll have a bright future ahead of you! (judging by your interests/stills/etc).
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<erysdren>
got sent to KDL trying to boot haiku from my usb dvd drive
<erysdren>
usually it works :(
<erysdren>
i mean, on my previous PCs. i just got this one recently and was trying to boot haiku
<erysdren>
actually, lemme try something. brb.
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<erysdren>
meh
<IIsi>
I have an old one where if the last BIOS release is installed, and AHCI is enabled, and a USB stick with Haiku is plugged into it, it fails POST.
<erysdren>
i was able to boot by putting the disc in the actual DVD drive and not a USB DVD drive, but i realized that i couldnt connect to the internet, lol
<erysdren>
so meh
<IIsi>
If I use the previous BOIS, or disable AHCI, it works. Or, if I don't roll those back and instead remove the Haiku USB stick, everything works. \_(-_-)_/
<IIsi>
Darn USB shenanigans, then.
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<IIsi>
I think also that OS X would not boot if an iPod was attached.
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<Begasus>
g'morning peeps
<LinuxUser>
@Begasus hi!
<Begasus>
hi LinuxUser
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<Begasus>
k, let's see if qtwebkit builds fine on 32bit
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<Begasus>
OscarL, git only starts when I use "hp git -G" :P
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<Begasus>
is there a way to see what binaries/libraries use icu?
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<yann64[m]>
I don't think there is a direct way, but it should doable by creating a batch script to check the output presence of icu of every "readelf -d [binary]" command applied to all binaries in /bin
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<nephele>
Hi :)
<Begasus>
hi nephele
<nephele>
How are you Begasus?
<Begasus>
fine here nephele, trying to figure out how I can check what is using libicu ;)
<Begasus>
you?
<nephele>
If the application is active try listimage and check the output
<nephele>
(otherwise, more involved would be constructing a commandline with find and xargs and the elf dumper util to check :P)
<Begasus>
more like trying to find globaly what is using the lib
<nephele>
I'm fine too, lately I'm looking more into how to upgrade old computers
<Begasus>
already got qt5/qtwebkit done (and doing well on clean installs to remove icu66 from the system)
<nephele>
for example the usb-c for power thing. But then also, can I make older computers get a usb-c port that uses existing displayport on the board and such :)
<nephele>
qt5/qtwebkit is still used?
<Begasus>
qt5 is pretty much used
<Begasus>
qtwebkit by a few apps (one being kdevelop)
<Begasus>
but if I try to uninstall icu66 on this system it's bringing down almost the whole system
<nephele>
Hmm, i wonder if that dependency is absolutely needed or only for some stuff, since it is basically unmaintained upstream it might be less of a maintenance burden for you to drop it
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<Begasus>
tried to drop it for kdevelop, wont build then
<nephele>
I found a review from 2017 that should fix that for kdevelop
<nephele>
I'll read up on it
<nephele>
gotta say, phabricator is not that nice to work with in some parts, but the UI is really nice to look at and readable
<Begasus>
thanks, haven't really looked further (only found out when I tried to uninstall icu66 on a clean install with kdevelop installed) :)
<nephele>
Yes, i think pulkomandy worked on that for the nightlies
<Begasus>
right, forgot there, that was done after the beta
<nephele>
Well, it is time for the net beta, so understandable :P
<nephele>
Would be nice to get some tools to list stuff like this on the package level with pkgman or a graphical tool, would really save some work, espoecially in these cases
<Begasus>
solves the mistery not being to uninstall it here :P
<Begasus>
+1 from here :)
<nephele>
I've tried the Asahi linux thing, fedora linux on the M2 macbook
<nephele>
it does actually work quite well, suprisingls
<nephele>
afaik asahi linux made sure to license their stuff permissably, so we should be able to use some of their work if we want to port it :)
<Begasus>
atm got 3 laptops running Haiku, got one spare one that runs Neon :)
<nephele>
I laughed out loud when i installed kde neon, and it told me to "contact the distribution vendor" because some kde part was installed wrong
<nephele>
maybe it is too complex if they can't get it right themselves :)
<Begasus>
seems to run pretty well here
<Begasus>
even did some builds for the frameworks/apps on there :)
<nephele>
Well, i don't think KDE is perfect, but i'm content with it. If i use linux i will use KDE because it effectively is what everyone else i know who uses linux uses, and that way i only need to deal with *one* desktop on linux
<Begasus>
I guess what ever works best is different for a lot of people
<Begasus>
tried Manjaro, didn't do the trick for me
<nephele>
Well, in this case I have a steam deck, my sibling has one, my parents etc. And that runs KDE, so... well that's just the default now for our household
<nephele>
so if i have a linux i will use KDE too, already need to deal with KDE, but atleast then i *only* need to deal with KDE and not anything else
<nephele>
though, even for the steam deck it could use some improvements... can't connect two pair of headphones without downloading some obscure app that talks with pipewire directly
<nephele>
the linux experience, i guess :)
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<nephele>
Though, I am quite amazed often when i look up how to do something with the steam deck, and the internet claims it is impossible... with me going "no way", and then figuring out how to do it anyway xD
<nephele>
it's a nifty piece of hardware. really should port haiku to it, but we *really* need to support a second screen over displayport for it
<Begasus>
coffee refill :)
<Begasus>
getting the second one here to work would be nice too (screen) :)
<Begasus>
first focus on R1B5 :P
<nephele>
yes, but maybe we should focus on that second screen... it is really a killer feature for productivity
<nephele>
but yes if beta5 is out of the door maybe that can be tackled :)
<LinuxUser>
Wait, R1b5? Is it released?
<Begasus>
nope :)
<nephele>
no, it is not
<nephele>
but it will be in the future ;)
<LinuxUser>
eh ok
<Begasus>
libQt5WebEngineCore too
<Begasus>
and libqxp, aside from system libs it looks like those are the lasts ones here in my system using icu66
<nephele>
let's see 19 tickets active for beta5, one ore two i think can be put to the next beta (were already problems in beta4). for the others I think i'll tackle some of them tommorow or so
<Begasus>
nice nephele
<nephele>
I mean, i could try to tackle them now on my mac but i really don't know how developing on macos is supposed to work
<Begasus>
never been there :)
<nephele>
There is one bug for icon-o-matic that it should do a new default window position if it wants to start out-of-bounds (e.g resolution changed)
<nephele>
that sounds sensible to me, but i think the problem is a bit deeper. for example if you align windows to the top, and then change the bold font to be smaller, windows will no longer be stuck to the top
<nephele>
I suppose that is a problem with how window position is saved, probably by the top-left part of the window exclusing the borders and tab?
<nephele>
maybe I can make a couple of functions for sanity checking the window position in libshared and test those out
<Begasus>
I always have to chase IOM on the screen, never sure where it will pop up :)
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<nephele>
do you have other problems with it Begasus?
<Begasus>
OscarL!
<OscarL>
good morning, folks.
<OscarL>
Hello Begasus :-)
<Begasus>
not really nephele, I mostly only use it to convert svg to rdef
<gordonjcp>
morning :-)
<Begasus>
Hi gordonjcp :)
<nephele>
Begasus: I ment in relation to window positiniong
<Begasus>
no, if it would just popup in the last known position or default in the center of the screen it would be nice
<nephele>
iirc the "strategy" to place the window is currently mostly in application territory, maybe there could be a preference given by the control look applications can choose to follow?
<Begasus>
mind you I'm still on beta nephele
<Begasus>
can do checks in freshly build images though :)
<nephele>
Begasus; Yes I'm asking what you are experiencing now. does it look unpredicatble to you?
<Begasus>
yes nephele, you never know where it pops up
<Begasus>
sometimes even the tab is offscreen
<OscarL>
For me... Pe also tends to start with its title tab a bit misplaced/cropped for "new" files (ones without window-positioning saved state) :-D
<nephele>
OscarL, does it look plausible that it assumes a tab height that isn't present perhaps? :D
<OscarL>
Begasus: weird thing with the git recipe... I had zero issues when I've did the build on 32 bits.
<nephele>
personally I'd rather work on making koder better than PE though
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<nephele>
somehow PE does not even feel like native software to me
<Begasus>
yeah OscarL, can't launch the build there without -G
<OscarL>
nephele: I kinda suspect whatever Pe does worked alright on BeOS, but is not quite Ok for how Haiku does things.
<Begasus>
ow, Pe is still my default one here :P
<OscarL>
mine too.
<nephele>
PE uses a light theme by default, that's why I quite quickly went to koder.
<nephele>
However: I think having a highlighting scheme, based on the OS colors, would be better
<Begasus>
although Kate + Konsole is pretty handy too :)
<nephele>
*especially* since Debugger needs this too, and having two color schemes is confusing there
<nephele>
I'd rather those two colors would be identical
<Begasus>
with darker theme I tend to use CudaText :)
<nephele>
apart from the find and replace dialog beeing modal I think Koder is quite good
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<Begasus>
Haven't checked in a while there, iirc I had some lags working with Koder
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<nephele>
that's likely because of that bug with higlighting whitespace at the end of line :/
<nephele>
if you enable it, the longer the file is, the slower koder becomes
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<nephele>
makes it pretty unusable in some webkit files, so have this off usually
<OscarL>
Begasus: regarding git... no idea then. I will either need a miracle (getting my PC back to life), or setup a new dev environment before I can take a look at it :-D
<Begasus>
pretty annoying bug :)
<nephele>
yes indeed
<Begasus>
could do some tests runs later OscarL, but I doubt it will change anything
<OscarL>
Begasus: maybe tag my git PR as "wip-no-merge", just in case?
<Begasus>
ok
<nephele>
kapix added lua support to Koder when i made an offhand comment about it in the forums, so that was cool :D
<Begasus>
done
<OscarL>
thanks.
<Begasus>
time to prepare for dogschool :)
<Begasus>
36% for qtwebkit on 32bit :)
<Begasus>
maybe it's done by this evening :P
<Begasus>
cu later peeps!
<nephele>
cu
<nephele>
also, hi OscarL
<OscarL>
hey there nephele :-)
<OscarL>
modal find/replace dialogs must die!
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<nephele>
well, in Koder it is especially annoying. I frequently have severall windows open, and that dialog has always the same content for all, and i dont know what one it is targeting now and such
<nephele>
quite annoying to work with
<nephele>
and i think backwards and forwards search should be an invocation alt-f and alt-shift-f, not a setting as such
<OscarL>
similar issues I have with Pe :-D
<OscarL>
Welp... my desktop PC decided to work today (after I took it apart, cleared CMOS, and re-assembled it)... sigh. Wish I could buy a new one made on this decade :-D
<OscarL>
No idea why Begasus is having issues with my git PR, thou. No issues here doing repeated "hp git_x86", "hp -c git_x86", "hp git_x86" cycles.
<phschafft>
Good morning/evening everyone.
<OscarL>
hello phschafft.
<phschafft>
all good?
<OscarL>
could be worse... :-P
* OscarL
is such an optimist!
<phschafft>
whenever you think you have a bad day, remember: there is always someone else out there not caring for your feelings but heading towards you. ;)
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<OscarL>
mmm 7 minutes to build git 2.45.1 on beta4 32 bits, bare metal... double that last time I ran it in a VM, lol.
<OscarL>
Wish we had an "acpi_cpufreq" equivalent driver (supporting both my Phenom and my Atom N45x CPUs).
<OscarL>
3.6 mins spent on just unpacking and initializing the work git repo, heh. No wonder why I do "hp -G" whenever I can.
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<Begasus>
re
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* phschafft
waves to Begasus.
* phschafft
is currently working on some fun shell stuff.
* Begasus
waves back on phschafft ... cookies ready?
* phschafft
gets some boxes. offers Begasus the usual ones, but also has some chocolate chip ones and some waffle style ones left today.
<Begasus>
thnx! :D
<phschafft>
:))
<Begasus>
let's check OscarL's PR on another laptop :)
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus bac027a - kdb, revbump, use ICU74 (#10478)
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<Begasus>
nice qtwebkit done on 32bit too :)
<nosycat>
\o/
<Begasus>
stupid "waiting for ..." :(
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<nosycat>
Building software takes a lot of time nowadays, doesn't it. :(
<Begasus>
nah, that's pretty good here
<Begasus>
it's haikuporter when starting a build, on 32bit it still has the annoying "waiting for package ... to be activated"
<Begasus>
rarely see it on 64bit
<Begasus>
so atm my package is called aqtwebkit instead of qtwebkit :)
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<Begasus>
err ... think I mentioned this before libQt5Core misses dependency on libdbus :/
<nosycat>
Everything's tied into a big knot, too.
<Begasus>
in itself you want see this (if it isn't called for) I guess
<Begasus>
without dbus_x86 kdevelop crashes on 32bit, launches fine when installed: https://0x0.st/XZDO.png
<nosycat>
Figures.
<Begasus>
weird thing is, QtDesigner also gives the message on missing dbus, but doesn't crash there :)
<augiedoggie>
not every qt app uses dbus though, seems like kdevelop should be the one with the dbus dependency
<Begasus>
don't think so? runtime_loader: Cannot open file libdbus-1.so.3 (needed by /boot/system/lib/x86/libQt5Core.so.5.15.11): No such file or directory
<augiedoggie>
yeah, but it's harmless on most apps
<augiedoggie>
i get those too
<Begasus>
ah, ok, then I can leave qt5 alone and make a dep for it on kdevelop
<Begasus>
wasn't looking forward on another build run there ;)
<Begasus>
ah! has "cmd:dbus_launch" in REQUIRES but that doesn't seem to work as it's also enabled for gcc2
<jmairboeck>
maybe dbus should use $binDir then instead of $prefix/bin?
<jmairboeck>
so that the two versions don't conflict
<Begasus>
or just disable x86_gcc2?
<Begasus>
not sure (haven't checked yet) what is using it or not
<jmairboeck>
that would probably be fine too
<Begasus>
from "inrecipe" the ones using lib:libdbus_1 are secondary arch only, so no gcc2
<Begasus>
k, let's rebuild kdevelop here and see if it complains about something :)
<Begasus>
no warnings when not included
<Begasus>
problem now is, is it requesting the library or the binary :)