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<augiedoggie> actually, zip has issues with large attributes
<augiedoggie> and the libarchive guys are about to remove the size restrictions for the pax/tar formats
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<phschafft> good morning coolcoder613 :)
<coolcoder613> Hello phschafft
<phschafft> :)
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<PetePete> Weird. All I have is zipomatic. I'll look for Expandomatic in the repos
<augiedoggie> you can use Beezer too
<PetePete> Why would zipomatic be in the right click context menu but not Expandomatic?
<PetePete> beezer would be easier?
<augiedoggie> there is no expandomatic
<augiedoggie> it's just expander
<PetePete> mmu_man lied to me!
<PetePete> This is MUTINY
<PetePete> Such disrespect and utter lack of accountability!!!
<PetePete> NO BEER
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<PetePete> So what's new and exciting? Kmail? KODI perhaps?
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<Begasus> k, edit post for the forum in Falkon (can't save), move to Web+, refresh & save works :P
<Begasus> with screenshots*
<coolcoder613> Hi Begasus
<coolcoder613> I saw your forum post
<coolcoder613> You probably don't even have a strong opinion on merits of emacs vs vi!
<Begasus> Hi coolcoder613
<Begasus> as in? (don't know merits, never really use emacs/vi) :)
<Begasus> I don't have a strong opinion on anything, too much is never good
* Begasus guesses it's about the github thingy ;)
<coolcoder613> My strong opinion is they're both bad
<coolcoder613> It's about the deskbar position thing
<coolcoder613> I use turbo
<coolcoder613> And Zed
<Begasus> ah :D
<Begasus> Well, he chalenged :P
<Begasus> I even get sound notifications with konqueror and FB :)
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<Begasus> Hacked away :D https://0x0.st/X8Xp.5.png
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+23/-23/±8] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/20579afd8b00...052f115c25d6
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] kwyxz 052f115 - libretro cores : May bump (#10427)
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<Anarchos> hello
<Begasus> Hi Anarchos
<Anarchos> Begasus: i finally got my modem and server back online :)
<Begasus> Nice Anarchos, finaly :)
<Anarchos> and i just found a linuxism in the testsuite of OCaml (linux abstract sockets don't exist on haiku...)
<Begasus> Every thing back up and running then?
<Anarchos> so i will do a patch for haiku to get rid of this test failure :)
<Begasus> +1
<Anarchos> (a patch to ocaml, of course, not to haiku)
<Begasus> you could just nuke it out in the test? (something like ctest -E *)
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<Anarchos> Begasus: no cause the failure is just a format of a socket name
<Anarchos> and they assume that it should begin with the null character on linux
<Anarchos> which we do not on haiku
<Begasus> always handy if one is aware of those :)
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<Begasus> cleaning? :)
<coolcoder613> No, just having a look at the insides of my oldest laptop
<coolcoder613> My BeOS machine
<Begasus> ah, still pretty clean there :)
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* coolcoder613 puts it back together
<coolcoder613> Three extra screws?
* coolcoder613 shrugs
<Begasus> heh, got it from Ike* ;)
<phschafft> when we recently moved I had my first laptop in my paws.
<phschafft> not really on the power level to run Haiku however.
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<coolcoder613> What about BeOS?
<Begasus> first one here already gone, second one still here, and can still boot Haiku
<coolcoder613> When is it from? What are the specs?
<Begasus> Acer Aspire 5610
<phschafft> coolcoder613: it predates BeOS by six years.
<Begasus> not even sure from when this one was :)
<Begasus> w00t, think I still ran 486 back then :D
<phschafft> that is a 80286 with 640KB RAM
<phschafft> no HDD, but a floppy drive.
<Begasus> that PC back then still had 2 of the large floppy drives :)
<phschafft> the colours on the screen is not really a colour screen, it's atrifacts of the photograph (maybe some problem with the pole filters?)
<Begasus> I'm getting old(er) :)
<phschafft> my last PC with a lage one had a AMD Athlon XP 1600+. you can look that up to date it if you like.
<Begasus> P4 here, still got the tower next to me ;)
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<phschafft> not fully sure where mine is (again, we recently moved). I think it's with the rest of the retro hardware.
<phschafft> I plan to have a little retro area in my office.
<Begasus> biab
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<Anarchos> i kept my Athlon K6-2 motherboard.
<Anarchos> maybe one day i will reinstall beos on it...
<phschafft> :)
<phschafft> I was actually considering to add some blinken lights to my computer build. maybe also a bit in the spirit.
<phschafft> just not yet sure which module to connect that to, or maybe if that will be a module on it's own.
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<Begasus> lol, touchpad working again :)
<phschafft> :)
<Anarchos> Begasus: what did you changed ?
<Begasus> nothing, once in a while it just starts to work
<Begasus> mostly it doesn't work, hence the suprise it comming back alive :D
<Anarchos> Begasus: my touchscreen work, but only to move the mouse, i can't click on it.
<Begasus> no touchscreen here Anarchos, so can't comment on that :)
<Anarchos> Begasus: the spec of this laptop says it has an accelerometer as ACPI device. I dunno how to write a ACPI driver .... and i can't find more information about it
<Begasus> all I know here is that it works well enough for me :)
<Anarchos> Does Haiku have a mean to list the ACPI peripherals ?
<Begasus> seems qt-creator doesn't like clang here ...
<Anarchos> Begasus: so i won't test with compcert :))
<Begasus> when I disable it, it's responding, other wise it seems to hang :/
<Begasus> weird, enabled again and no issue now
<Begasus> oh well, qt-creator 13.0.1 up and running :)
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<PetePete> good morning
<PetePete> or afternoon/evening
<Anarchos> PetePete: hello
<Anarchos> Begasus: we have acpidump command :)
<PetePete> Does unticking the processors in the applet really turn off those cores?
<augiedoggie> the Devices app shows the acpi tree too
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<Begasus> afk, one for the road PetePete :) https://ibb.co/FmxdZv4
<Begasus> not functional though :P
<PetePete> super cool feature. I didn't think it did anything
<PetePete> guess I'll just have to live with my SMOKIN' FAST i3 for now
<PetePete> (pulled this one out of the garage yesterday :)
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<PetePete> wen compiz?
<PetePete> wen beryl / emerald?
<Begasus> not :P
<PetePete> lol
<PetePete> I was playing with an old version of linux
<PetePete> I'm devastated that you cannot find a lot of the old isos anymore
<nosycat> Ye. I don't exactly keep many around either.
<PetePete> I haven't exhausted my search, but anything prior to 2017 is pretty muc scrubbed from the web
<PetePete> I wish I'd had the forethought to keep all that stuff for posterity
<nosycat> That's terrible. I think the Puppy Linux project keeps older versions around, by a couple of years.
<Begasus> probably got some stashed on one of the external HD's :)
<PetePete> I ccould be the owner of the largest catalogue of outdated linux isos in the nation
<PetePete> I had possibly hundreds
<PetePete> at LEAST a hundred
<nosycat> Got my copy of Salix OS 14.2, does that count?
<PetePete> what year?
<PetePete> 2005/2006 was peak linux for me
<nosycat> I'm not sure. 2016? Let me check.
<PetePete> I tried finding Simply Mepis 3.4-3 and that's a big fat no
<Begasus> still got the boxes from RH5.1 and SuSE6.0 somewhere ;)
<nosycat> Oh. Those are 2016-2017 too: https://sourceforge.net/projects/salix/files/14.2/
<nosycat> I remember Mepis.
<nosycat> By name, anyway.
<nosycat> 2016 was a turning point. Then Linux dropped support for a ton of old hardware.
<nosycat> And became a lot bulkier.
<PetePete> That is exactly what happened
<PetePete> Haiku is so nice, keeping things old school
<PetePete> I was even able to install 16 year old xmms skins on qmmp
<Begasus> Konqueror on Haiku feels a lot faster then Firefox on Neon :P
<PetePete> or benuamp or whatever it's called in Haiku
<nosycat> Dunno, but yeah!
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<nosycat> I think we all have our little personal Haiku success stories.
<Begasus> right there :)
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<PetePete> Ohhh... what version is Konqueror?
<PetePete> I miss when Konqueror was a file manager AND a web browser. It was so COOL!!!
<Begasus> as it needs the qtwebengine, 23.08.5 atm
<Begasus> file managment not that great, only shows directory structure, but browsing isn't that bad
<Begasus> nuked some X11Extras in the source for it :P
<PetePete> It's not available yet, I take it? I didn't see it in the repos
<Begasus> don't think I'll publish it also :)
<PetePete> You selfish pig lol
<PetePete> "LOOK AT ME WITH ALL MY SOFTWAREZ!!! WEEEEEE!!!"
<Begasus> atleast not in this state, although it's pretty good (youtube in fullscreen plays well), doesn't keep password for FB for one ...
<Begasus> lol :P
<PetePete> I know how to code and there's nothing you can do about it!!!! WEEEE!!!!"
<Begasus> already gave plenty ;)
<PetePete> I'm just talking trash because I'm a layman
<Begasus> ah you know how to code?
<PetePete> I contribute noithing
<Begasus> I don't :)
<PetePete> "I know the proper development terms! WEEEE!!!"
<PetePete> hahahahaha
<PetePete> I'm seriously an idiot
<PetePete> Whatever it is you do... flip switches, spin wheels, plug holes.
<PetePete> it's magic
<Begasus> at least one framework for KDE is missing in the depot
<Begasus> hhe
<nosycat> It's like being a spellcaster versus having the Lore:Magic skill.
<Begasus> stand corrected, seems to be possible without kdesu :)
<nosycat> I've mostly rated some apps, suggested some others, made sure some of mine work.
<Begasus> If i was just a regular user I would find all the tools needed in Haiku to do daily stuff (only one thing, EiD doesn't work)
<nosycat> Ought to set up a VM again and try more stuff.
<nosycat> I keep meaning to check if this thing builds: https://craigbarnes.gitlab.io/dte/
<Begasus> quick check: src/commands.c:1876:21: error: implicit declaration of function 'stpncpy' [-Werror=implicit-function-declaration] :)
<Begasus> cc1: some warnings being treated as errors
<Begasus> buggers :P
<nosycat> Oh well.
<PetePete> Get on the phone with KDE and tell them they are ruining Haiku with their stupid software
<nosycat> :D
<PetePete> I could write a show
<PetePete> Man, Haiku is AAAALMOST my favorite OS
<nosycat> What's #1?
<PetePete> Full disk encryption and/or solid virtualization would bump it
<augiedoggie> haiku has the stpncpy function
<Begasus> nosycat how do you exit this thing
<PetePete> Favorite? Toss up" MX (formerly Mepis funnily enough), Mint (longest relationship), Puppy (all root, all the time), or eLive (keeping it old school)
<Begasus> in libgettextlib it seems augiedoggie
<Begasus> yeah, it's the warning turned into an error on that
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<nosycat> Ctrl-Q
<Begasus> thanks :)
<augiedoggie> no, it's built into haiku
<Begasus> /Opslag/wip/dte-1.11.1> dte -V
<Begasus> dte 1.11.1
<Begasus> (C) 2013-2023 Craig Barnes
<Begasus> (C) 2010-2015 Timo Hirvonen
<nosycat> \o/
<Begasus> searching lgrep for it returned the one from gettext (and linking with it fixed the builld, well that and libiconv)
<augiedoggie> i have no idea why it didn't find it but that's part of librooot, the only thing i can think is that it was added after b4
<Begasus> nosycat: https://bpa.st/J6WQ
<Begasus> ah, still on R1B4 here augiedoggie
<nosycat> Awesome!
<nosycat> Been thinking dte can be a stopgap until Micro runs on Haiku.
<Begasus> so shouldn't be so hard to build yourself, cp the binary to ~/config/non-packaged/bin
<nosycat> Thanks, will do!
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<Begasus> used : export LDLIBS_ICONV="-liconv -lgettextlib" before running make
<Begasus> and nuke out " -Werror=implicit-function-declaration" in build.mk :)
<Begasus> well, if you are on nightly that maybe not needed
* nosycat copies that out
<nosycat> Nah, my one install right now is beta 4.
<Begasus> ok, then you need to nuke that werror one too
<Begasus> maybe you could patch the build.mk to include Haiku for libiconv and sent upstream :)
<nosycat> I wrote it all down, thank you so much!
<Begasus> np, looks a bit too much vi for me ;)
<nosycat> At least vim tells you how to exit on the loading screen.
<Begasus> it's been too long since I really tried/used it
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<nosycat> Not my first choice of editor either.
<PetePete> nano
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<PetePete> or notepad in wine
<PetePete> (I kid)
<nosycat> nano's good too in emergencies. And it's easy to make syntax files for.
<Begasus> mostly use nano here too (quick edits on git commits mostly)
<Begasus> Konqueror plays vids at FB nice too :) https://0x0.st/X8Zq.5_2.png
<nosycat> Niiice!
<Begasus> k, kdesu out of the picture
<Begasus> plenty of browsers, so not adding yet another one myself :)
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<PetePete> xed for a graphical editor
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<Begasus> opening file and editing works fine nosycat :)
<nosycat> Good job!
<nosycat> Where can xed be found these days, PetePete?
<PetePete> nosycat Seems to be stock in xfce version of Mint
<PetePete> I don't know if it's a xfce app or not though
<PetePete> Oh featherpad is also very nice
<PetePete> leafpad
<nosycat> XFCE comes with Leafpad or Mousepad.
<nosycat> Featherpad is another thing.
<nosycat> We have that one in Haiku already.
<nosycat> Its sister app Feathernote might be of interest.
<PetePete> Yeah I meant leafpad
<PetePete> what is featherpad?
<PetePete> ah yes, I have seen it then.
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<Begasus> can't stand loose ends :)
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<PetePete> I just found the motherload of all winamp skin vaults
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<Begasus> bbl
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<coolcoder613_32> Good morning
<coolcoder613_32> phschafft: I didn't know you where in #fiwix
<phschafft> me neither!
<coolcoder613_32> On Libera
* phschafft nods.
<phschafft> no idea why I'm in that channel.
<coolcoder613_32> Why did you originally join it?
<phschafft> I can't remember joining it.
<coolcoder613_32> Have you used Fiwix OS?
<phschafft> not that I'm aware of.
<phschafft> I might have tried it in the past. but if at all nothing more than that.
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<coolcoder613_32> I like Fiwix
<phschafft> any specific reason?
<coolcoder613_32> Small, unixy, feels nice
<coolcoder613_32> makes breakfast
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<coolcoder613_32> FiwixOS 3.3 runs only in the 32-bit i386 architecture with the following minimal requirements:
<coolcoder613_32> Standard IBM PC-AT architecture.
<coolcoder613_32> CPU: i386 (with floating-point processor).
<coolcoder613_32> RAM: 4MiB (recommended 128MiB).
<coolcoder613_32> ATA Hard disk: 1GiB (minimal install requires only 200MiB).
<coolcoder613_32> ATAPI CD-ROM drive.
<coolcoder613_32> Ugh, Vision crashed
<phschafft> hm.
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<coolcoder613_32> I just wish I had a second hard drive on that machine
* phschafft nods.
<phschafft> I might have had a look at it when I was looking at system API and/or filesystem support.
<coolcoder613_32> To get a second hard drive in there, I have two problems
<coolcoder613_32> Where to put it
<coolcoder613_32> and where to get it
<phschafft> hm.
<coolcoder613_32> Unless... Unless I want to remove the windows partition
<coolcoder613_32> Backing it up first, naturally
<phschafft> what kind of windows?
<coolcoder613_32> The problem is, My only partition editor is a windows program
<coolcoder613_32> It is one FAT32 partition with Windows 98 and Windows 2000
<phschafft> hm
<coolcoder613_32> I can boot from floppy, HD and CDROM
<coolcoder613_32> I don't have a floppies that aren't bad
<coolcoder613_32> I have a DOS CDROM
<coolcoder613_32> *any
<coolcoder613_32> *a
<phschafft> hm.
<phschafft> I mean there should be options if you only want some fdisk or something.
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<coolcoder613_32> I'm a computerphile!
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