<qwebirc57792>
hi y'all! i found out about haiku a while ago and finally decided to install it on my computer but when i booted up the r1 beta4 iso my touchpad and touchscreen weren't working. i tried again with the latest nightly build to no avail. my device is a lenovo yoga 330 11-igm. i don't know much about the touchpad but it's made by synaptics and uses the microsoft intellimouse protocol. if theres any more info i can give please lmk
<coolcoder613>
Hi
<qwebirc57792>
hi
<coolcoder613>
Touchscreen usually won't work
<coolcoder613>
Doesn't seem to be much you can do about the touchpad
<qwebirc57792>
yeah i don't really care about the touchscreen but the touchpad is absolutely crucial for me bc i dont have an external mouse
<coolcoder613>
Might be better to use a more traditional laptop
<PulkoMandy>
It's probably using i2c instead of ps2 like several modern machines. We don't have a working driver for these yet
<coolcoder613>
^ He knows
<qwebirc57792>
thanks
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<qwebirc57792>
is there actually no driver for this? like even if its something highly experimental and barely works i'd be willing to try it
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<Begasus>
g'morning peeps
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<Begasus>
If the maintainers of the port for some OS do care, like the Haiku people, KDE applications can look fine there. (nice comment) :)
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<san2ban>
Hi
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<san2ban>
I am unable to delete Emails in Beam...cananybody help me wrt this?
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<phschafft>
still strongly recommend to use passwd as it will just ask for a new password and do all the rest correctly. much easier and much safer.
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<rennj>
sun sparc box..dont matter nvram secure boot..no passwd the box is brick
<rennj>
have to get a new dallas rtc chip, pull the prom
<rennj>
im telling you a live cdrom boot vs a live system on the network with users vipw
<rennj>
file locking...why vipw
<phschafft>
if you work on those files directly you already did it wrong. vipw is like adding a first aid kit when you're trying to jump from a space ship into earth's atmosphere without any suit.
<phschafft>
if your cut yourself on the way down it helps. but you'll die anyway.
<rennj>
you are wrong, but keep arguing
<phschafft>
whatever.
<phschafft>
if you want to break your system, go for it.
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<phschafft>
why would anyone use a tool made specifically to change the password to change a password then they can have an axe.
* phschafft
waves to erysdren.
<rennj>
little history...nis nis+ AD/LDAP is taking /etc and putting on the network
<erysdren>
howdy!
<rennj>
irix,hp-ux,solaris,linux is not going to break from doing that
<rennj>
local /etc vs network users
<rennj>
its joke
<rennj>
should be doing LDAP anyway
<rennj>
nis and nfs..well sun couldnt win everything
* phschafft
offers cookies.
<rennj>
nis+ 17 tables from /etc
<rennj>
go wikipedia it
<rennj>
and you could create your own...
<rennj>
that was just defaults
<rennj>
AD/LDAP was the future
<gordonjcp>
phschafft: pfff, kids these days with their axes, why, in my day we'd change our passwords with a microscope and a magnetised needle
<rennj>
vi
<rennj>
real hard its a local file on disk
<rennj>
not rocket science
<rennj>
not even mounted when you boot from livecd
<rennj>
passwd and shadow oh the secrets
<phschafft>
gordonjcp: if you're as old as me you didn't need a microscope to pick the bits on media. ;)
<gordonjcp>
phschafft: heh
<rennj>
lets try thus UID/GID
<gordonjcp>
phschafft: I got caught out by needing reading glasses because I work down a binocular microscope a lot
<gordonjcp>
phschafft: realised a few years ago I had my Kindle turned up to "Old People" font sizes
<phschafft>
I'm happy that my eyes are still working fine. after all I already lost hearing ;)
<phschafft>
(and no, I'm not that old. that part was a bit of joke.)
<gordonjcp>
heh
<gordonjcp>
mine are really good for stuff that's not right in front of me
<gordonjcp>
driving to work down the A90, I can see the guy wires on the radio masts a few miles away on either side of the road
<phschafft>
I guess more that I got into things early (by the standards back then) and had a look both into the past and the future.
<gordonjcp>
I can't read the instrument panel, but I can read the text message the guy in the car in front is reading...
<phschafft>
based on the readings on the scales on my binoculars I'm more worried about the left-to-right difference.
<phschafft>
but given they're from my grandfather maybe they're off a bit as well.
<rennj>
check /etc/hosts file, then check nis, then check dns
<rennj>
or you could change all that
<rennj>
hese sources include local operating system files (such as /etc/passwd, /etc/group, and /etc/hosts), the Domain Name System (DNS), the Network Information Service (NIS, NIS+), and LDAP.
<rennj>
what i been saying..but you know better
<rennj>
the /etc/shadow is just sperate encrypted file...users can view, run jack the ripper on
<rennj>
John the Ripper is an Open Source password security auditing and password recovery tool available for many operating systems. John the Ripper jumbo supports hundreds of hash and cipher types, including for: user passwords of Unix flavors (Linux, *BSD, Solaris, AIX, QNX, etc.), macOS, Windows, "web apps" (e.g., WordPress), groupware (e.g., Notes/Domino), and database servers (SQL, LDAP, etc.); network traffic captures (Windows network aut
<rennj>
hentication, WiFi WPA-PSK, etc.); encrypted private keys (SSH, GnuPG, cryptocurrency wallets, etc.), filesystems and disks (macOS .dmg files and "sparse bundles", Windows BitLocker, etc.), archives (ZIP, RAR, 7z), and document files (PDF, Microsoft Office's, etc.) These are just some of the examples - there are many more.
<rennj>
i had my isp's /etc/passwd in the 90's i could have been evil and cracked the passwd on local box...
<rennj>
before the shadow file...
<rennj>
which -rw-r----- 1 root shadow 984 Nov 15 00:54 /etc/shadow
<rennj>
normal user cant see shadow file
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<rennj>
setuid/setgid also more hackery
<rennj>
dd if=/dev/sda |grep shadow ...dd having setuid
<rennj>
dump/restore ufsdump/ufsrestore...say foo
<rennj>
old skool backdoors
<rennj>
irix lp account no passwd
<rennj>
in the end "only the amiga makes it possible" still rocking...long after sun,sgi,hp...
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<rennj>
hey, kids..do what you do..using computers now, you dont have to understand any of this stuff
<rennj>
phones majority of computing being done on anyway