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<erysdren> coolcoder613: sorry gonna be busy for the next few hours. if you find a way to upload it, send it here or in a direct message
<erysdren> what did you find out?
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<erysdren> coolcoder613: ok, back.
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<coolcoder613> Hi erysdren
<erysdren> hi
<erysdren> i just booted my haiku partition with qemu on my linux partition
<erysdren> ran the software updater and updated all the packages
<erysdren> i'm gonna see if that somehow fixes my wifi issue lol
<coolcoder613> maybe try and upgrade to nightly that way too
<erysdren> brb
<erysdren> if it doesnt work ill ask how to update to nightly
<coolcoder613> You just change package repo
<erysdren> aha
<erysdren> got it
<erysdren> ok brb
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<erysdren> no change, unfortunately
<coolcoder613> to switch to nightly
<erysdren> kk
<erysdren> it probs won't do anything
<erysdren> but i can hope
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<erysdren> nothing...
<coolcoder613> no difference?
<erysdren> yep nothing
<erysdren> meh. gonna go to bed
<erysdren> and work on this more tomorrow
<erysdren> if that syslog says anything interesting, ping me
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<waddlesplash> erysdren: ralinkwifi driver is known to act weird and not work and nobody seems to know why
<waddlesplash> I don't have any ra hardware
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<botifico> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/c9dd50e88c8a...4cb4071b9ffb
<botifico> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 4cb4071 - Activity & Contract Report, September.
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<OscarL> "cpr420 fixed the filteredquery command’s [...]" guess that's one of augiedoggie's aliases? :-P
<OscarL> (from the Activity report for Sept.)
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<OscarL> Dag, Begasus!
<Begasus> Goede morgen OscarL! :)
<Begasus> k, let's skip this whole glib thing for harfbuzz for now
<Begasus> I'll add an issue for it to deal with it later, for now let's fix the build for pango
<Begasus> already got 9 variant to the recipe for harfbuzz by now :P
<Begasus> +s*
<OscarL> yikes. better leave it off for a while, yeah... getting frustrated with that won't help.
<Begasus> quick "fix" for now :)
<OscarL> every bit counts :-)
<Begasus> the missing symbol only showed up with gtk4, and that aint going to happen, so we can deal with that for now
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<coolcoder613> Hello Begasus
<Begasus> Hi there coolcoder613
<Begasus> almost ready for a beta release for the python bindings?
<coolcoder613> I need some kind of release checklist
<Begasus> yeah, saw your last message
<Begasus> correct me if I'm wrong, what you are doing is what Bethon was in the past?
<coolcoder613> I think so
<coolcoder613> Although so far i have been doing just the app kit and interface kit
<Begasus> that was tight to python2.7 and no one got it on par with the newer versions, maybe there is something there that could be used to check things out?
<coolcoder613> It was using the raw python API, and i am using pybind11
<Begasus> ah, not quite the same then :)
<Begasus> biab, doggies :)
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<coolcoder613> BTW, its my birthday today
<OscarL> Happy birthday then, coolcoder613! :-)
* OscarL usually forgets his own birthday.
<coolcoder613> Its different when you are 14
<OscarL> indeed.
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<Begasus> Happy B'day coolcoder613 :)
<Begasus> 14, I've grandchildren your age :)
<coolcoder613> My grandfather didnt like Haiku, he would have preferred if the installer wrote the bootloader automatically.
<coolcoder613> Maybe we shouldnt hide away the install bootloader option in the menubar
<coolcoder613> And the installer should be able to setup an ESP
<Begasus> that's probably been mentioned before
<erysdren> oh wow, i didnt realize you were so young lol
<erysdren> i wish i was as cool as you were when i was that young
<coolcoder613> Begasus, where?
<Begasus> coolcoder613 https://dev.haiku-os.org
<Begasus> that's the bugtracker (mentioned in the channel topic)
<coolcoder613> what about enhancements?
<erysdren> setting up an EFI boot partition is pretty annoying. i wonder if i could try to contribute that change to the installer? it's probably a fairly sensitive area of the code, though
<erysdren> it's probably a bigger change than i'm realizing, considering it already doesn't format the drive itself, and lets you setup the partitions
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<coolcoder613> You can probably just tell the user to create a FAT32 partition
<coolcoder613> or look for a pre-existing ESP
<erysdren> true. and have it copy the bootloader automatically
<erysdren> once the partition is there
<coolcoder613> If there was an OS installed before, there will probably be an ESP
<coolcoder613> There could be an OEM mode, where the installer allocates, 50MB? for the ESP and then the rest for the root partition
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<Begasus> k, issue created for harfbuzz
<coolcoder613> Maybe have separate screens for Welcome~>Set up bootloader~>Set up Haiku~>Finished/Reboot
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<coolcoder613> goodbye
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/46ba2bb68689...9b865cafa824
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL 9b865ca - xcb_proto: fix location of installed Python code. (#9621)
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/9b865cafa824...6a158f04bb14
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 6a158f0 - freegemas, new recipe (#9623)
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57324] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=7dec7afe4bc1+%5E0ec674cdcce6
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 7dec7afe4bc1 - Debugger: add DWARF5 attribute and form definitions
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] d5be5b61c537 - Debugger: handle call_site similarly to GNU_call_site
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<aa72> a splash in the past : beos developer 1.1 => ok => under virtualbox ... ;)
<thaflo> how can I install a modified system app in a working haiku install? (access to /system/apps is locked)
<Begasus> thaflo, in non-packaged?
<Diver> you can put iit anywhere you want, like in /system/non-packaged/apps
<aa72> tell me if you want virtualbox images of dano & developer 1.1 ;)
<Begasus> spreading illegal stuff now aa72?
<aa72> no illegal
<Begasus> well MaxEd wasn't really illegal, based on PE
<aa72> i used
<aa72> have you a link ?
<Begasus> most of us did back then
<aa72> beshare ?
<Begasus> still have the images (somewhere) for MaxEd, don't need a link :P
<aa72> dropbox ?
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<thaflo> Begasus Diver does not work with Screenshot ... screenshot calls always Screenshot in /boot/system/apps
<Begasus> maybe it does that over an add-on?
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/6a158f04bb14...c7d71a0de5e4
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus c7d71a0 - haproxy, bump version (#9625)
<thaflo> no, over a apllication call
<Diver> indeed, /bin/screenshot loads /boot/system/apps/Screenshot
<thaflo> yes, I know, that's ok, but I have to call my changed Screenshot
<Begasus> can't you start it from anywhere in Terminal with ".Screenshot"?
<Begasus> given the path in Terminal is where the binaries is
<Diver> just call your binary directly without /bin/screenshot?
<Begasus> that* :)
<thaflo> I want to test it "right"
<thaflo> can I create a hpkg from the screenshot pkg if I build the source already?
<aa72> the devil is a good boy, love ... xD
<Begasus> should be possible thaflo, but I've never done it for Haiku's internals
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/c7d71a0de5e4...62538abdee07
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 62538ab - oniguruma, bump version (#9626)
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<zdykstra> set a new signature for /boot/system/apps/Screenshot, then rebuild /bin/screenshot to use that signature - put them both in your $PATH and go for t
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/62538abdee07...2b7cb2900955
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 2b7cb29 - sdl2_ttf, bump version (#9627)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/2b7cb2900955...4dddbd5f229f
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 4dddbd5 - freeciv, bump version (#9628)
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<zdykstra> morning all
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<Begasus> afternoon zdykstra :)
<zdykstra> we were complaining about modern GUIs and scrollbars/resize grabbers in another IRC channel, and I used a screenshot of Koder to show how it should be done
<Begasus> +2 :D
<zdykstra> very clear indication of where to grab to resize, scrollbars aren't auto-hiding and have little buttons to do small tweaks
<zdykstra> it's a shame we seem to be going backwards in usability on most major desktops
<bjorkintosh> zdykstra, was your discussion prompted by this? https://artemis.sh/2023/10/12/scrollbars.html ?
<zdykstra> it was, yeah
<zdykstra> it highlights how good the BeOS/Haiku interface is :)
<bjorkintosh> it seems that UI design failed with the advent of mobile and web.
<bjorkintosh> or I should say, stagnated, not failed.
<bjorkintosh> finding a decent multi-platform desktop gui library is not trivial.
<erysdren> its nearly impossible
<bjorkintosh> yeah. and if anyone says electron ... :-|
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<Begasus> this PoponkoDiff is a nice tool! :)
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<zdykstra> duckduckgo can't find any references to that name - what is it?
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<zdykstra> what?
<zdykstra> Begasus │ this PoponkoDiff is a nice tool! :)
<zdykstra> what is PoponkoDiff ?
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<botifico> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 a688512 - rsync: Update for ipfs ingress
<bjorkintosh> let me guess, a real world simulator.
<Begasus> zdykstra, diff tool (need to practice on the name) :) https://ibb.co/jWdjvkN
<Begasus> afk
<zdykstra> ahh
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 8764a298436b - build/jam: Only add C++ header directories to include path for C++ code.
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<aa72> beos max is freeware?
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<bjorkintosh> no idea. but you can have haiku today.
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<aa72> cu ...
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<Begasus> going down
<Begasus> cu peeps!
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<Anarchos> how to solve "package org.junit does not exist" when compiling some java on haiku ?
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<Luca91> hi all
<Luca91> is there any way to copy a configuration file to /boot/system/non-packaged/data/my_app/ from a recipe?
<erysdren> hmm
<erysdren> i think it's $configDir in a recipe
<erysdren> or something.
<Luca91> hey erysdren
<Luca91> thanks, I'll check that var
<erysdren> maybe grep in HaikuPorts for that, you'll see how it's used
<Luca91> I'm reading that there is also GLOBAL_WRITABLE_FILES, but dunno if this is what I'm looking for
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<erysdren> you could try
<erysdren> $dataDir/my_app/
<erysdren> that's what i did for the QuakeSpasm recipe
<PulkoMandy> Luca91: the non-packaged directory is usually for things not belonging in packages. Global writable files may help but it's usually mainly for settings files. So you may need to use a postinstall script to copy the files, or do it when your app is first started
<Luca91> PulkoMandy yes the files I want to copy are config files needed for the app to works correctly
<PulkoMandy> If they are config files they should be in settings/,not in non-packaged/data. In that case you need "global writaple files" and I think you can find many examples
<Luca91> PulkoMandy okay thanks. Can you confirm that /boot/system/settings/my_app/ is a good path for what I'm trying to do?
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<erysdren> $settingsDir/my_app/ is probably what you want
<erysdren> im looking at what other recipes with GLOBAL_WRITABLE_FILES do
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<Luca91> erysdren ok thanks, let me see what $settingsDir contains. If it isn't pointing to /boot/home/... then it is good (I need these configuration files to be placed in /boot/system/...)
<erysdren> why's that?
<Luca91> erysdren because these config files must be shared when/if haiku will support multi-users
<erysdren> fair, though i don't know if that's in the cards for haiku
<Luca91> infact on linux these files are placed in /etc
<Luca91> erysdren yeah I agree with you, but while I'm at it, I'd like to do this in the cleanest possible way :)
<Luca91> erysdren done :)
<Luca91> I used GLOBAL_WRITABLE_FILES and then copied the configuration files using cp $portDir/additional-files/my_config.conf $settingsDir/my_app/
<erysdren> nice
<erysdren> yeah thats correct iirc
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<Luca91> erysdren I'm going for another round of tests then I can send a PR with the recipe
<erysdren> awesome!
<erysdren> this is for clamav?
<Luca91> erysdren yes :)
<erysdren> good work :D
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