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<mmu_man> coolcoder613_32: it's the .fragment of the url IIRC
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<mmu_man> hmm
<coolcoder613_32> what code can i use to get the text from the q= parameter into a variable?
<mmu_man> it should be in document.URL.search but it seems it's a function in Firefox!? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/URL
<mmu_man> anyway, need to sleep
<coolcoder613_32> cya
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<mmu_man> coolcoder613_32: (new URL(window.location.href)).searchParams.get('q')
<mmu_man> JS is such a mess…
<mmu_man> zz
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<coolcoder613_32> What is the JS equivalent to a python set for an array with no duplicates?
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<zdykstra> Google can probably tell you ...
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<OscarL> While running `pkgman full`... Hard to make sense of this: https://bpa.st/APDA
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<OscarL> I would expect the new harfbuzz to replace the older one, and not to suggest desinstallation of icu70 (>66.1). Oh well...
<OscarL> sometimes changes in provides seems to generate some weird edge cases.
<OscarL> *provides/requires
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<OscarL> seems libass_devel-0.17.1-1 was preventing the auto-update of harfbuzz in my case? (I did `pkgman uninstall harfbuzz_devel`, allowed to uninstall libass_devel, and then `pkgman full` finally updated harfbuzz-7.3.0-1 to harfbuzz-8.2.1-1)
<augiedoggie> seems like the icu version should be bumped
<augiedoggie> it only specifies >= 66.1 in the recipe
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<erysdren> im gonna reinstall haiku on my 2006 thinkpad
<erysdren> it's slow as hell but haiku complimented it well, last time i tried
<erysdren> web browsing was kinda impossible though
<coolcoder613> :(
<coolcoder613> Try using lynx
<erysdren> that's textmode right?
<coolcoder613> yup
<erysdren> cool, i'll install it
<erysdren> the wifi card on the thinkpad also sucks, i guess
<erysdren> it kept dropping my connecting
<coolcoder613> No JS, but it works
<erysdren> connection* every few minutes
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<coolcoder613> Try moving the laptop closer to the router
<erysdren> not possible unfortunately
<erysdren> i'm in the basement and the router is all the way upstairs
<coolcoder613> You cant work upstairs?
<erysdren> i live in the basement here
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<coolcoder613> What *is* it with xet7*
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<coolcoder613> erysdren: i implemented search in https://github.com/coolcoder613eb/recipe-manager: just run display_recipes.py (you may need to pkgman install markdown_python310)
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<coolcoder613> ls
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<andreaa72> hullo
<erysdren> good morning
<andreaa72> good morning to you too, erysdren ;)
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<andreaa72> erysdren : what could i do to go ok ?
<andreaa72> or i am ok ?
<erysdren> you're a little odd i admit
<andreaa72> np, tell me ...
<andreaa72> ;)
<andreaa72> How can I prove to you that I'm ok? :)
<erysdren> i have no idea what you mean
<andreaa72> you say to me i am a troll ... but i don't understand ...
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<andreaa72> g'morning Begasus
<erysdren> andrreaa72: i did not say you were a troll, lol
<erysdren> i said you were weird
<Begasus> heh
<Begasus> Hello andreaa72 erysdren :)
<andreaa72> hello
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/b079f0b395f3...892deb396964
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] PocketNerdIO 892deb3 - deark: new recipe (#9671)
<andreaa72> np, i know i am weird, np ... :)
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<coolcoder613> Hello Begasus
<andreaa72> i am weird ... i am weird ... i am weird ... xD
<Begasus> Hi coolcoder613
<coolcoder613> Check out https://github.com/coolcoder613eb/recipe-manager, i added search
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<Begasus> coolcoder613 ... 404 :P
<coolcoder613> I just found the text editor i want to embed into my project, as the recipe mangement will be terminal based, and i want M$ Windows compatibity for the uninitiated https://github.com/qilinO-o/Hecto
<coolcoder613> Oh, it thought the comma was part of the URL
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<Begasus> web+ is having a hard time today (again) :/
<Begasus> the recipe md's look weird in github :)
<coolcoder613> clone it, and python3 display_recipes.py
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<coolcoder613> Then it will work (you might have to pkgman install markdown_python310)
<Begasus> k, that looks a lot better, but it seems your script doesn't close when you close Web+
<coolcoder613> Its not a bug, its a feature
<coolcoder613> :)
<Begasus> lol :P
<Begasus> httpd.serve_forever() :P
<coolcoder613> (I cant detect when Web+ gets closed)
<Begasus> I'm no python expert here ;)
<coolcoder613> Foiled! cannot compile Hecto editor for Haiku :(
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/892deb396964...937d8db2a9da
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] PocketNerdIO 937d8db - deark: fix for 32-bit (#9675)
<Begasus> hecto?
<Begasus> can't find it at repology :P
<Begasus> jikes ... rust
<coolcoder613> Apperently, it is nigh on impossible to have a nano clone that works on both Windows and Haiku :(
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<coolcoder613> But hey, maybe go platform specific, on windows, use Hecto, everywhere else, use nano
<Begasus> compiling hecto works ok here
<coolcoder613> There arent a whole lot of web apps written in MarkDown, but i managed to do one :)
<coolcoder613> what Rust packages do you have?
<coolcoder613> error: could not compile `mio` due to 12 previous errors
<coolcoder613> My error log: https://0x0.st/HJIX.txt
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<coolcoder613> Begasus, any ideas?
<Begasus> sec
<Begasus> didn''t build with release though :)
<Begasus> cargo 1.69.0 (6e9a83356 2023-04-12)
<coolcoder613> same error, any rust-related thing in your bashrc?
<Begasus> nope, nothing added there
<Begasus> /Opslag/wip/Hecto> hectro
<Begasus> thread 'main' panicked at 'Failed to initialize terminal: Os { code: -2147483643, kind: InvalidInput, message: "Invalid Argument" }', src/editor.rs:36:43
<Begasus> nothing much happening there :P
<coolcoder613> I guess you arent much better off then :)
<Begasus> I said it "builds" ;)
<coolcoder613> when will Rust be updated to 1.70? quite a few thing require that.
<coolcoder613> *things
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<Begasus> coolcoder613, I used this source https://github.com/vruss/Hecto
<Begasus> maybe you got another one?
<erysdren> coolcoder613: re, rust: i suppose it should be seen what errors it gets on build, if any
<erysdren> the new version, i mean
<coolcoder613> The recipe downloads compiled toolchains from rust-on-haiku.com
<Begasus> k, same errors on that one
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/937d8db2a9da...133cdb9075c1
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] PocketNerdIO 133cdb9 - mame: Update to 0.259 (#9624)
<Begasus> k, crossing fingers on this one :)
<coolcoder613> On what one?
<Begasus> mame
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<Begasus> pretty heavy build, so will take some time on buildmaster
<coolcoder613> Hi zard
<Begasus> 'lo zard
<zard> Hello all :)
<erysdren> hello
<zard> coolcoder613: did you see the suggestion to use function decorators for receiving messages on the forum?
* coolcoder613 goes to look at that
<coolcoder613> Oh yeah, I looked at that, but it is global variables, not class members
<coolcoder613> wouldnt work 'cause of name collisions
<coolcoder613> and overwriting
<zard> In other words, it wouldn't work because it would only modify the global variable events and not self.events?
<coolcoder613> zard: Btw, what do you run Haiku on?
<coolcoder613> Zard: yes
<zard> A VM. What about you?
<coolcoder613> I run bare metal on 2-3 computers(A 32-bit desktop with 3GB of RAM, A 64-bit Thinkpad Laptop with *GB of RAM(what i am using now), and a 64-bit HP laptop with 4GB of RAM(in storage under the desk))
<coolcoder613> typo, * is 8 (shift :) )
<zard> :)
* zard is starting to understand why function decorators don't work, tries to think of workarounds nonetheless :)
<coolcoder613> I tried :)
<coolcoder613> I added search
* zard runs git pull
<coolcoder613> python3 display_recipes.py (may need markdown_python310)
* zard realizes it should be git clone
<coolcoder613> xD
<zard> No module named 'markdown'. Indeed it does
<coolcoder613> pkgman install markdown_python310
<coolcoder613> Made with my custom stylesheet, Null.css :)
<zard> Also needs module pkg_resources
<zard> Got it from pip_python310. Now why would this depend on that...
<zard> Now the question is, are these real recipes, or would I get a mess from trying to make them?
<coolcoder613> They are real, I have made them.
<zard> Nice :)
<coolcoder613> copied down from my mothers recipe book(s)
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<coolcoder613> The search works also for ingredients (try searching for 'milk')
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/133cdb9075c1...0ead2e6827ae
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] davidkaroly 0ead2e6 - llvm16: link binaries against crti.o (#9676)
<zard> Looks like both recpies have eggs then ;)
<coolcoder613> I want to keep cross-platform (for those who use windows), so the recipe management will be cli, and for text editing, it will run nano, like git commit
<coolcoder613> No need to reinvent the wheel(or text editor)
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* phschafft clearly makes things differently in the kitchen.
<coolcoder613> Care to elaborate phschafft?
<phschafft> no eggs for starters.
<coolcoder613> eggs are for the base :)
<phschafft> na...
<coolcoder613> Going now, goodbye.
<zard> goodbye
<phschafft> also I'm not very much the recipe type, more the doing it a few times and then get a feeling for it.
<phschafft> coolcoder613: nachti!
<phschafft> so you hardly see quantities listed over here.
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<andreaa72> recipe or collector ?!?
<ermo[m]> is x512 still working on the Haiku vulkan acceleration for southern islands AMD GPUs? The last news/posts I've seen from them in the forum is from July 2022...
<ermo[m]> (wrt. to acceleration work that is)
<fancy2209[m]> Is Hardware acceleration for Haiku being worked on in general?
<zard> AFAIK, there is nobody working on it other than x512
* ermo[m] has a nice little system with an i5 Haswell w/HD 4xxx GPU + a HD 7970 dGPU that he wants to use for Haiku
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<ermo[m]> would be awesome-sauce if that could be used to accelerate rending but use the iGPU for showing stuff on screen.
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<ermo[m]> *rendering
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0ead2e6827ae...0bc2b0463ffa
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] hfsfox 0bc2b04 - hydrogen: add icon (#9673)
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<x512[m]> ermo: Currently switched efforts to Nvidia Turing+.
<andreasdr[m]> x512: Wow. Nice.
<x512[m]> Nvidia released open source kernel driver that is much easier to port to Haiku then Linux DRM drivers.
<andreasdr[m]> Nice. Yes. You told before. Sorry for joining the discussion, but its as usual very interesting.
<andreasdr[m]> The least supported card would be a nvidia 2060 right?
<ermo[m]> <x512[m]> "ermo: Currently switched efforts..." <- 😭
* ermo[m] owns exactly zero NVidia cards
<cocobean> . GeForce RTX 2080 Ti
<ermo[m]> Well, that's not true. I was gifted a GTS 450 DirectCU Silent passively cooled card. But I'm pretty sure that doesn't count in this regard...
<ermo[m]> (Fermi uarch)
<andreasdr[m]> Ok. So its better to get a 3060?
<ermo[m]> andreasdr: sorry, I was referring to my own comment about owning zero NVidia cards. 2060 would probably be fine for you as it is a Turing gen card.
<andreasdr[m]> Nice.
<andreasdr[m]> Thank you!!!
<x512[m]> ermo: For Radeon I get some whole system freezes for unknown reasons.
<andreasdr[m]> They are affordable. So this would work for me.
<ermo[m]> sorry to hear re. Radeon.
<andreasdr[m]> x512: damn.
<ermo[m]> I was really looking forward to giving my HD 7970s a second lease of life with Haiku vulkan accel.
<x512[m]> It need tracing Linux driver to find what is wrong and how Linux does it right.
<x512[m]> There are no public documentation for low-level Radeon GPU initialization, work scheduling etc..
<x512[m]> Available documentation is for too old GPUs or for high-level features such as 3D engine machine code.
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<andreasdr[m]> :(
<andreasdr[m]> Sounds terrible to work with.
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<andreasdr[m]> Looks very promising, but I cant find out If I could plug in a external graphics card.
<andreasdr[m]> Also would a NVIDIA work with RISCV?
<andreasdr[m]> On Haiku? On Linux?
<cocobean> No.
<cocobean> Not supported.
<andreasdr[m]> Damn.
<andreasdr[m]> You mean 1) NVIDIA with RISCV or 2) GPU in this bord?
<andreasdr[m]> Or both?
<andreasdr[m]> :DDD
<cocobean> Nvidia will support ARM - not RISCV - driver development.
<andreasdr[m]> Ok.
<x512[m]> As long it is open source, I think it is possible to compile driver for RISC-V.
<andreasdr[m]> Nice.
<andreasdr[m]> So my last question would be if this board can take a GPU.
<andreasdr[m]> I can ask the manufacturer.
<andreasdr[m]> Thank you!
<cocobean> andreasdr: Imagination AXT-16-512 GPU or Nvidia GPU ??
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0bc2b0463ffa...c6889446fe84
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb c688944 - yt-dlp: update to 2023.10.13
<cocobean> The GPU power draw is a consideration.
<andreasdr[m]> I want to be able to plug in any GPU I want (simply said)
<andreasdr[m]> Into the RISCV board
<x512[m]> For Imagination GPU built-in VisionFive 2 it seems open source driver is not yet released, but planned.
<andreasdr[m]> The buildin GPU cant handle our games, we are working on.
<andreasdr[m]> Nice.
<x512[m]> In theory it is possible to plug external GPU to VisionFive 2.
<andreasdr[m]> Nice. I ll keep my eyes open.
<andreasdr[m]> I also sent a email to the manufacturer.
<andreasdr[m]> already.
<x512[m]> Using adapter from M2 to full-size PCIe slot.
<andreasdr[m]> Nice.
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<andreasdr[m]> cocobean: I also asked for that.
<andreasdr[m]> CPU power consumption in idle mode.
<cocobean> If eGPU, check out the NVIDIA Quadro T400 2GB-4GB ($100-$139, eBay)
<andreasdr[m]> Ok. Ill check.
<cocobean> The NVIDIA T1000 if your budget allows. ;)
<x512[m]> I am using Nvidia T400 for testing.
<cocobean> Cool.
<x512[m]> Also it have more quiet cooler compared to Radeon R7 250...
<andreasdr[m]> Nice.
<andreasdr[m]> Seems like the T series is for professionals or something.
<andreasdr[m]> x512: nice, please keep us updated.
<Begasus> closing down, cu peeps!
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<andreasdr[m]> See you Begasus
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<x512[m]> Shortcut for Turing, no?
<andreaa72> hello humdinger
<andreasdr[m]> Sounds to me like that. No idea.
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<cocobean> andreasdr: i figured the T1000 is better for your rendering project.... you can find them for around $250.
<cocobean> But, just semantics.
<andreasdr[m]> Nice.
<andreasdr[m]> We try to support graphics boards from 2016-2017. But lets see. These are old cards, I would also be fair with supporting newer GPUs.
<x512[m]> Nvidia GPUs still have troubles with adapting to Linux hardware acceleration ecosystem.
<andreasdr[m]> The x480 that I have is currently too slow also we have not yet 100% switched to PBR with all the assets.
<andreasdr[m]> x512: What does this mean for HaikuOS?
<andreasdr[m]> The oldest capabable graphics board from AMD is VEGA56. Nice card.
<andreasdr[m]> (I know of)
<x512[m]> Almost noting.
<andreasdr[m]> Ok.
<x512[m]> Haiku is not based on Wayland.
<x512[m]> noting -> nothing
<andreasdr[m]> Ok.
<andreasdr[m]> Seems like the 2060 is faster than the T1000
<cocobean> Ah... I did mention the GeForce RTX 2080 Ti
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<cocobean> $200 USD
<The_DarkFire_[m]> Hmm nice to see haiku is making progress on GPUs :)
<cocobean> If you want beast-mode, then I'd go with that. :D
<cocobean> The T400 cards fit in small form factor computers.
<x512[m]> T400 is enough to run Genshin Impact.
<cocobean> x512: Will we switch libglvnd before R1B5?
<x512[m]> When R1B5 is planned to be released?
<cocobean> Don't know. Just asking if any plans to switch to libglvnd within 2-3 months?
<x512[m]> libglvnd on its own will not change software rendering experience.
<x512[m]> EGL is needed for GTK/Wayland applications such as Gnome Web, but it need more work, not just EGL and libglvnd on its own.
<x512[m]> So for now it is not urgent.
<cocobean> ok
<andreaa72> in iatalian invidia -> nvidia -> envy
<andreaa72> in italian invidia -> nvidia -> envy
<Skipp_OSX> and their color is green
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/c6889446fe84...4b44698eb543
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] davidkaroly 4b44698 - libfilezilla: update to 0.44.0 (#9680)
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<erysdren> i'm gonna try and see why my thinkpad with haiku keeps freezing
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<erysdren> how do you tell haiku to save the syslog from the previous boot?
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<erysdren> the syslog is very big
<erysdren> wondering if it's APIC causing issues
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<puck_> not an x2apic, and i believe the rest of the apic code is pretty solid
<puck_> also, if the apic code is broken, you can still enter KDL mode (alt+sysrq+d)
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<waddlesplash> puck_: erysdren maybe not apic but ACPI
<waddlesplash> known problem on some Lenovo hw
<waddlesplash> booting with it disabled may be interested
<waddlesplash> interesting
<erysdren> ah sorry, i meant ACPI
<erysdren> couldn't remember
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<erysdren> my syslog does mention some ACPI errors
<erysdren> i'll see if disabling it will fix
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<erysdren> waddlesplash: any way to permenantly disable ACPI, per chance?
<waddlesplash> ~/config/settings/kernel
<waddlesplash> there's a line for it
<erysdren> thanks
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<erysdren> heya
<erysdren> good morning
<coolcoder613_32> Good morning
<coolcoder613_32> What's up?
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<erysdren_thinkpad> got Haiku running well on this 2006 thinkpad with 1G ram
<erysdren_thinkpad> actually runs quite nicely, since the GPU is supportede
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<coolcoder613_32> I wonder if it would be possible to bundle DOS applications with a native runtime? (like pyinstaller kinda)
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<erysdren> to emulate a DOS application on a modern system, you mean?
<erysdren> or bundle it on DOS?
<coolcoder613_32> to emulate
<erysdren> well the linux software dosemu/dosemu2 kinda does that
<erysdren> you can run dos applications from the terminal and it can inline them into your terminal
<coolcoder613_32> Like, a runtime for DOS applications, sort of like ntvdm, but statically linked, and cross platform
<erysdren> it could be done
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<coolcoder613_32> BTW, i have two GPUs, a GeForce GT218 (Geforce 210) and a GeForce GT260
<coolcoder613_32> One reason I like ntvdm(and dosemu?), is because the DOS application integrate with the native command line/terminal
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<erysdren> coolcoder613: once upon a time (a few months ago) i was working on an emulator that ran basic DOS applications entirely in software
<erysdren> i.e. no recompilation or kvm
<erysdren> you're kinda making me think about revisiting it, tbh
<coolcoder613> Where is that code, erydren? What is it written in?
<coolcoder613> *ersdren
<coolcoder613> *erysdren
<erysdren> wrote it in C
<coolcoder613> Is it open source?
<erysdren> nah
<erysdren> ill send you the C file
* phschafft would also be interested.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 2 commits to master [hrev57340] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=782bb0fea12c+%5Edd04895cfa67
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] a5bda648dd67 - ufs2: Fix computation of partition size
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 782bb0fea12c - ufs2: Fix compilation of ufs2_shell
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<erysdren> what does the hrev number correspond to?
<coolcoder613> It would be nice if the crossterm rust module supported Haiku, hecto would run, endbasic would run..