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<nephele> :)
<nephele> add-ons/input_server/devices/mouse/movement_maker.cpp
<Lunovus> How much disk space would I need for this?
<Lunovus> I only got 30GiB reserved for Haiku (yet)
<nephele> one moment, let me check
<realtaraharris> I have a 97.7 GiB partition, and I have 63.3 GiB free after building Haiku and the dev tools
<nephele> ~/proj> du haiku -sh
<nephele> 1,4G haiku
<nephele> That's with compiled objects
<coolcoder613_32> Do we have BFS resize support?
<waddlesplash> we don't
<nephele> There is a patch series on Gerrit for live bfs resizing support
<waddlesplash> there's patches to implement it but they're unreviewed
<waddlesplash> yeah
<waddlesplash> they introduce some pretty large changes to the BFS driver which makes people uneasy
<Lunovus> OK, I'll just create a bigger partition then and reinstall
<nephele> your 30GB should be fine
<nephele> you can also "just" add a second partition if you want without reinstaling
<coolcoder613_32> What about integrating those changes into a FUSE bfs driver for haiku?
<Lunovus> I just installed on the desktop, install is fast after I found what was preventing it earlier
<waddlesplash> the FUSE driver is just the regular BFS driver but compiled for FUSE
<Lunovus> Can Haiku read (and maybe write) NTFS?
<nephele> waddlesplash: we should really get some logging daemon/log viewer going to make debugging components live easier without having to recompile everything :(
<nephele> Yes it can, with ntf2_3g
<nephele> ntfs
<waddlesplash> yes, built in, works fine
<Lunovus> Great
<coolcoder613_32> Haiku doesnt seem to support minix filesystem?
<Lunovus> Do most Linux distros can read Be FS?
<nephele> read yes
<nephele> write no
<Lunovus> Oh, haven't tested that
<coolcoder613_32> It shows minix partitions as unformatted?
<realtaraharris> @waddlesplash I did get that ACPI display driver thing running, btw. I can see it in /dev and it fails to get the acpi node just as you said it would
<realtaraharris> thanks for the help!
<waddlesplash> no problem
<Lunovus> Just installed Zorin too today, to have a grub to boot Haiku, and Be FS could be read out of the box
<coolcoder613_32> Me too!
<waddlesplash> realtaraharris you can inspect your ACPI tree manually to make sure it's not there and it's not just the driver failing for other reasons
<waddlesplash> but yes that brightness method seems pretty rarely used
<nephele> grub2? .-.
<Lunovus> Grub2 yes
<nephele> Any specific reason you need it?
<Lunovus> Atfer install of Zorin, it didn't show Grub at first (on Desktop), but boot-repair app fixed that
<nephele> just curious, it's a strange choice for haiku :)
<coolcoder613_32> Lunovus: I think you can use the BFS FUSE driver on Linux?
<Lunovus> coolcoder: Yeah, read about that, but have not yet found the time to tinker with it
<Lunovus> I just installed the two OS here
<Lunovus> I was a "one OS" user for decades now
<coolcoder613_32> nephele: I play around with lots of different operating systems, and Fiwix OS, and Minix 2 uses the minix filesystem
<Lunovus> The "multi OS" installs where a thing I did in my youth
<Lunovus> Now I'm an old fart
<nephele> Today with EFI multiboot is a lot easier than it used to be
<Lunovus> were
<nephele> that is, with efi firmware you can just trash grub2 :)
<Lunovus> Laptop has BIOS
<Lunovus> Desktop still has MBR format on first SSD
<nephele> Haiku also has a bios bootmenu/loader build in. not sure how that works though anyhow
<coolcoder613_32> I'm 14, and I have 4 operating systems installed over here....
<nephele> dualbooting with bios i usually just use severall disks
<Lunovus> I had like 7 when I was 20
<coolcoder613_32> Haiku, WinXP, Zorin and FreeDOS
<nephele> Though I basically don't dual boot anymore, just using Haiku
<Lunovus> But as I said, that was decades ago ;-)
<nephele> only have kubuntu on my new laptop because haiku does not support it fully yet
<Lunovus> Maybe I find the disk space to install a DragonFly BSD alongside the other 3 now
<Lunovus> I'd like to play around with that too
<Lunovus> But I guess that'll need another primary partition
<coolcoder613_32> On this 32-bit Pentium Desktop with 3GB of RAM and a 1TB HDD
<Lunovus> I'm REALLY happy Haiku doesn't! \o/
<Lunovus> 14 years and you already experiment that much?
<nephele> I'm just happy Haiku has disk device names like /dev/disk/usb/1/0/raw
<Lunovus> Probaly a nice coding career in front of you
<nephele> and nott /dev/sd[N]hopeyoudon'twipeYourmaindisk linux
<Lunovus> With better hardware, payed for by your employer ;-)
<nephele> coolcoder613_32: in my experience FreeBSD knows much better about filesystems :P, Haiku supports only a couple of them
<coolcoder613_32> This is not my main computer ;)
<coolcoder613_32> For that I have a T430 with Haiku, and a m1 macbook air
<coolcoder613_32> This one, my uncle found on the street, and gave it to my grandfather, who gave it to me.
<Lunovus> *gg*
<nephele> What's up with cp no longer beeing able to write a raw device when i unmount the partitions on it?
<coolcoder613_32> nephele: I do have a FreeBSD install CD on my desk over here... But I'd prefer something with an easy UI to connect to Wifi
<nephele> FreeBSD basically gives you the same UI as linux if you want
<coolcoder613_32> error: linking with `cc` failed: exit status: 1
<coolcoder613_32> = note: /boot/system/develop/tools/x86/bin/../lib/gcc/i586-pc-haiku/13.2.0/../../../../i586-pc-haiku/bin/ld: cannot find -lunix: No such file or directory
<coolcoder613_32> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
<nephele> it's a better desktop than linux too in my opinion, if your hardware is supported. Since the Core OS is actually somewhat sane
<coolcoder613_32> I tried GhostBSD, couldn't get it to boot with GRUB...
<nephele> don'
<nephele> t try with grub2
<nephele> neccesarily
<waddlesplash> last time I tried to boot graphical FreeBSD I failed to make itwork
<waddlesplash> it work
<nephele> it's really *just* linuxes bootloader, and they don't care much about other systems
<waddlesplash> OpenBSD on the other hand was kind of annoying, but it worked fine
<nephele> graphical FreeBSD works quite fine if you follow the handbook
<nephele> though nowadays all their gpu drivers are stolen from linux :P so it is just as unstable, or even more unstable than linux for the gui
<Lunovus> So Grub2 ain't good for booting a BSD?
<Lunovus> Damn
<Lunovus> And is there a successor or something similar to TrueOS?
<Lunovus> Ah, found the recommendation on their homepage
<Lunovus> recommendations
<nephele> hmmm, not sure. I think maybe the project from probonod?
<Lunovus> They have recommended GhostBSD, MidnightBSD, NomadBSD
<Lunovus> I guess the old saying is true:
<Lunovus> Lock 5 BSD programmers in a room, and a week later you got 20 new BSD versions
<nephele> Isn't that called a coding sprint?
<Lunovus> Maybe this now holds true for Linux too ;-)
<coolcoder613_32> 17 of which are still maintained
<nephele> I like mirbsd
<nephele> even if that OS is dead, it gives us mksh and the mirbsd wtf database :D
<Lunovus> Anybody knows if BSDs still want a primary partition?
<nephele> I'm not sure, though the BSD's are independant projects. You can however on *most* BIOS systems use a gpt partition table too if that is a problem
<Lunovus> Just seeing the DragonFly BSD installer only support whole disk installs..
<Lunovus> With a slice you need to do manual installation
<Lunovus> *sigh*
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<Lunovus> Hmm, OpenBSD seems to be able too without GPT
<Lunovus> to
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<nephele> good night
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<coolcoder613> Good afternoon erysdren
<erysdren> hello!
<coolcoder613> What's up?
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<coolcoder613> nielx[m] has updated the rust port to 1.73...
<coolcoder613> for RustPython, cargo/rustc seems to be adding '-lunix' the the linker args, which is not found.
<coolcoder613> s/the the/to the
<augiedoggie> maybe are you building something that uses an outdated libc
<coolcoder613> Dependency on old libc?
<augiedoggie> yeah
<augiedoggie> i ran into that with something recently, tree-sitter i think
* coolcoder613 looks up at the lightbulb over his head, it flickers, but stays on
<erysdren> coolcoder613: im doing okay, just decorating my room a little bit.
<coolcoder613> This sunday, I was helping my grandfather set up his 'new' (refurbished) mac mini
<coolcoder613> It is from 2011
<coolcoder613> Safari doesnt work well, brave, chromium, doesnt support 10.13...
<erysdren> oof lol
<coolcoder613> I wonder if i can compile brave from source for macOS 10.13
<coolcoder613> augiedoggie: seems to be using latest libc
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<coolcoder613> Oh, wait, they are all using v0.2.141
<coolcoder613> 29 times
<augiedoggie> iirc the fix first appears in 143
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<coolcoder613> Errors for RustPython: https://0x0.st/HyJx.txt
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<coolcoder613> Chromium is being downloaded... 29GB and still going!
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<coolcoder613> 32GB....
<coolcoder613> When is this going to be finished already!?
* coolcoder613 only has 3GB of disk space left!
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<coolcoder613> 34GB!!!!
* coolcoder613 is getting nervous... :scared_face:
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<coolcoder613> Giving up
<coolcoder613> Now *this* is going to be satisfying
<coolcoder613> rm -rf src
<coolcoder613> Watching the disk space come back...
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7d3dfc3e733e...6c9c43ed6c2b
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] nielx 6c9c43e - Rust: update to 1.73.0 (#9712)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/6c9c43ed6c2b...9778fc88d88b
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 9778fc8 - nodejs, bump to latest LTS version (#9700)
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-3/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/9778fc88d88b...85760a8bec6c
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 85760a8 - steghide, bump version (#9711)
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<erysdren> good morning begasus
<Begasus> Hi there erysdren
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<hightower4> oi!
<erysdren> hello
<Begasus> Hi hightower4
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<nielx[m]> coolcoder613: I guess you have seen Rust 1.73.0 is in the build queue
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/85760a8bec6c...ad8522ce1c9b
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus ad8522c - steghide, 32bit (stupid mistake) :) (#9714)
* Begasus bumps head ...
<Begasus> ready for 32bit nielx[m], thanks!
<nielx[m]> Begasus: is your issue with cargo-c reproducible with the current recipe?
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ad8522ce1c9b...845afa474e7e
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 845afa4 - netbeans_bin, bump version (#9702)
<Begasus> it should be nielx[m]
<Begasus> has been a while (again) :)
<Begasus> got rav1e-0.6.6.recipe here, not sure I pushed that to the pr
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<Begasus> cleaning up some sources/work dirs ...
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<coolcoder613_mac> nielx[m]: Errors for RustPython: https://0x0.st/HyJx.txt
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<nielx[m]> downgrade socket2 to 0.4.1
<nielx[m]> (or upgrade it to 0.5.0 but usually cargo complains)
<nielx[m]> for termios and mac_address you'll have to look at the individual crates and see if they are ready for Haiku
<nielx[m]> if not, these modules will need to be ported.
<Begasus> fun ride :P
<Begasus> will have to wait untill tomorrow I guess before 64bit buildmaster is done (for rav1e) :)
<Begasus> or build rust_bin localy ...
<Begasus> have to refrase that :) package rust_bin (thanks for precompiled version nielx[m]) :)
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<coolcoder613_mac> I have built rust_bin locally for both 32 and 64 bit
<coolcoder613_mac> I mean packaged :)
<Begasus> :)
<Begasus> good thing I'm not building in strict mode lately with haikuporter ... Warning: POLICY WARNING: can't find used library "libstd-5a93d9b549457c8e.so" :)
<OscarL> Seems we didn't get the old dev-lang/rust recipe-cleanup along with the newest rust :-/
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<OscarL> Begasus, et all... morning folks!
<BrunoSpr> hi all
<OscarL> hi BrunoSpr.
<BrunoSpr> hi OscarL
<Begasus> g'morning OscarL BrunoSpr
<OscarL> Begasus: opened a PR to fix the 32 bits build of timezone_data. Tested it on both 32/64 bits. Seems good enough of a workaround for now.
<BrunoSpr> how to find out the native resolusion of a monitor?
<Begasus> checking
<OscarL> BrunoSpr: on the manual from the monitor? :-P
<BrunoSpr> time change was ok here in germany
<BrunoSpr> oh it is an old 4:3 monitor do not have the manual
<OscarL> more seriously... perhaps the EDID info is written to the syslog?
<BrunoSpr> looks like this: http://0x0.st/HyyU.png
<OscarL> 1400x1050, nice.
<BrunoSpr> now : 1400 x 1050
<BrunoSpr> looks ok?
<OscarL> the screenshot looks fine, and 1400x1050 sounds ok too.
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/845afa474e7e...56f6513a731f
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL 56f6513 - timezone_data: fix 32 bits build. (#9715)
<BrunoSpr> It is an old one I use it with my old little intel atom multiscreen works here
<Begasus> OscarL, you should clean up some branches there :)
<BrunoSpr> at least the old monitor
<BrunoSpr> the laptop display is black
<OscarL> Begasus: stop spying on my fork! :-P
<Begasus> I only fetched :P
<BrunoSpr> ah ok thx OscarL
<OscarL> alternatively, you could just checkout the changes I open PRs for... tsss! :-P
<Begasus> this was just a small change, they are not always like that :P
<Begasus> OscarL, I find it faster to checkout remote branches this way :)
<OscarL> undestood :-)
<Begasus> don't have the time to see what you doing beside the ones I want to check out :P
<Begasus> ps, you'rs isn't "that" bad :P
<OscarL> can remove one now (the timezone_data moved to _x86), and at least 3 more are for currently open PRs (some as Drafts) so... can't remove those :-P
<nielx[m]> OscarL: still working on that, trying to see what the state of building rust from scratch is nowadays
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<OscarL> + a couple under "archive/" and "wip/"... it all adds up, sorry Begasus :-)
<nielx[m]> you'll have to suck up your cluttered screen a bit longer or do your own PR
<Begasus> lol, got a new color on my github account :P
<OscarL> nielx[m]: thank you! (I thought that maybe it had just slipped your mind).
<Begasus> he's reminded once in a while ;)
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<Begasus> hmm .. my branches are not that bad, a few awayting PR's, some old or not relavant atm :)
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<Begasus> julia still not fixed ... erlang for 32bit still not ...
<OscarL> Begasus: re qBitTorrent/Python comment on the forum... that new setting is pretty fresh, not even in the latest 4.6.0.
<OscarL> so seems reasonable that our 4.3.13 doesn't have it :-P
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<Begasus> haven't looked any further there OscarL, the poster maybe has a newer version local then?
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<OscarL> I think you either mis-read my comment, or I borked it while writting it :-)
<OscarL> I was just mentioning that if the issue continues... there's a related change upstream that we'll either need to wait for...
<OscarL> or we'll need to patch things ourselves.
<Begasus> I didn't have a problem running the search function in it
<OscarL> thats good to hear. then most likely the user is either python-less, or still on 3.9
<Begasus> I'm guessing python3.9 would still work OK too with it?
<OscarL> I doubt it. Seems qBitTorrent only looks for "python3" or "python" in $PATH.
<OscarL> so, to be more precise, yeah... could work, but only if you do a symlink python3.9 -> python3 on "non-packaged/bin"
<Begasus> ah
<Begasus> I'm guessing the problem with pycharm here is that it is looking for cmd:python :)
<OscarL> see if a symlink fixes it? (but don't forget to remove it afterward! I tripped with that in the past)
* OscarL likes Begasus' screenshot of qBitTorrent search function. Reminds me of the "I only used to download ISOs, I swear!" defense :-)
<Begasus> launching error now with it
<Begasus> lol OscarL!
<Begasus> and getting a lot of crap in ... :P
<OscarL> +200 people still seeding the beta4 ISOs after all these months... not bad.
<Begasus> most of them probably don't even know it's still there :)
<Begasus> k, having 2 diff jre versions installed doesn't work for pycharm
<OscarL> I thought I was one of those, but that was before one of my HDD got borked :-/
<Begasus> launching pycharm from Deskbar doesn't seem to work too
<Begasus> never did any seeding there :P
<OscarL> Wish you the best of luck to Begasus with that stuff. I have jre based things on my "do not even look at that" list :-D
<OscarL> Off to do some chores. Later folks, have a good one!
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<BrunoSpr> bxe
<BrunoSpr> bye
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<Begasus> cu BrunoSpr
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<thaflo> Hello!
<thaflo> Whats wrong with my terminal query : query -aef "BEOS_TYPE==application/x-person" as it shows no result, though there a people files?
<Begasus> Hi thaflo, no idea here
<phschafft> what is application/x-person?
<thaflo> file type for people files (contacts at the end)
<phschafft> is there any reference to that?
<Begasus> https://ibb.co/BwhcQHW still haven't figured it all out, but seems to be doing well enough for a noob like me :)
<phschafft> it's not a registered type.
<thaflo> why not?
<phschafft> I'm not answering to your question, just wondering what that media type is. and I don't know why it's not registered. ;)
<thaflo> oh, this way it works -> query -eaf "((name=='*')&&(BEOS:TYPE==application/x-person))"
<thaflo> in Haiku it's registered ;-)
<phschafft> maybe.
<thaflo> phschafft you have a running Haiku version?
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<nephele> phschafft: There are many mime types used in haiku that are not registered oficially, also since every application has a MIME signature
<nephele> In this case "People" files is a filetype that is only used on Haiku
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/56f6513a731f...74bb3a86ded2
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 74bb3a8 - pycharm_community_bin, bump version (#9703)
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<Begasus> nielx[m], trying to build latest cargo-c errors out (iirc I had the same error on previous attempts to update our version): https://bpa.st/FYXQ
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] jackburton79 304ca93 - Add recipe for cpuminer (#9716)
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<thaflo> bbjimmy?
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57362] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=106388ddbfdd+%5Eeb4d2229f04c
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 106388ddbfdd - 3rdparty/cloud: Minor cleanup to gcp sysprep script
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/eeaebc06cd64...3c2e23a6321d
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 3c2e23a - vlc, fix reference for live555 (#9717)
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] korli pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57363] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=53e2dc0f8556+%5E106388ddbfdd
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 53e2dc0f8556 - kernel/x86_64: clear any pending exceptions on #MF
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<Begasus> k, need to revert the bump for live555 :/
<Begasus> will be for tomorrow though
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<Anarchos> Begasus sure
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<botifico> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/infrastructure/compare/a688512b5247...ca2c4eb7706d
<botifico> [haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 ca2c4eb - buildmaster: Fix repository signing
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuporter] kallisti5 pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuporter/compare/377491ee2279...248f0747d89f
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuporter] kallisti5 050af9b - buildmaster: Fix artifact signing secrets for k8s
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuporter] kallisti5 248f074 - buildmaster: Bump frontend / backend containers to ghcr
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<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/3c2e23a6321d...dcc899bca239
<botifico> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus dcc899b - live555, revert version bump (#9718)
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<coolcoder613_32> Good morning
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<Anarchos> how to force haikuporter to build a package marked broken ?
<coolcoder613_32> change the recipe?
<jmairboeck> Anarchos: if it is marked as "untested" (with ?) you can enable a setting in haikuports.conf to allow building them, if it is marked "broken" (using !) you have to edit the recipe
<Anarchos> coolcoder613_32 i thought there was a flag of haikuporter to override the recipe
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<Anarchos> got it : haikuporter sbcl_x86. Even if i do "setarch x86", it doesn't make haikuporter building for this arch
<jmairboeck> haikuporter uses a chroot, so a subshell like setarch wouldn't work for that
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<Begasus> closing down, g'night peeps!
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<coolcoder613_32> Hello HaikuUser
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<coolcoder613_32> Hi erysdren
<erysdren> hello
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<coolcoder613_32> I have the crate endbasic, some of its dependencies depend on mio 0.7.14, how can I change that to 0.8.9?
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