<Lunovus>
How much disk space would I need for this?
<Lunovus>
I only got 30GiB reserved for Haiku (yet)
<nephele>
one moment, let me check
<realtaraharris>
I have a 97.7 GiB partition, and I have 63.3 GiB free after building Haiku and the dev tools
<nephele>
~/proj> du haiku -sh
<nephele>
1,4G haiku
<nephele>
That's with compiled objects
<coolcoder613_32>
Do we have BFS resize support?
<waddlesplash>
we don't
<nephele>
There is a patch series on Gerrit for live bfs resizing support
<waddlesplash>
there's patches to implement it but they're unreviewed
<waddlesplash>
yeah
<waddlesplash>
they introduce some pretty large changes to the BFS driver which makes people uneasy
<Lunovus>
OK, I'll just create a bigger partition then and reinstall
<nephele>
your 30GB should be fine
<nephele>
you can also "just" add a second partition if you want without reinstaling
<coolcoder613_32>
What about integrating those changes into a FUSE bfs driver for haiku?
<Lunovus>
I just installed on the desktop, install is fast after I found what was preventing it earlier
<waddlesplash>
the FUSE driver is just the regular BFS driver but compiled for FUSE
<Lunovus>
Can Haiku read (and maybe write) NTFS?
<nephele>
waddlesplash: we should really get some logging daemon/log viewer going to make debugging components live easier without having to recompile everything :(
<nephele>
Yes it can, with ntf2_3g
<nephele>
ntfs
<waddlesplash>
yes, built in, works fine
<Lunovus>
Great
<coolcoder613_32>
Haiku doesnt seem to support minix filesystem?
<Lunovus>
Do most Linux distros can read Be FS?
<nephele>
read yes
<nephele>
write no
<Lunovus>
Oh, haven't tested that
<coolcoder613_32>
It shows minix partitions as unformatted?
<realtaraharris>
@waddlesplash I did get that ACPI display driver thing running, btw. I can see it in /dev and it fails to get the acpi node just as you said it would
<realtaraharris>
thanks for the help!
<waddlesplash>
no problem
<Lunovus>
Just installed Zorin too today, to have a grub to boot Haiku, and Be FS could be read out of the box
<coolcoder613_32>
Me too!
<waddlesplash>
realtaraharris you can inspect your ACPI tree manually to make sure it's not there and it's not just the driver failing for other reasons
<waddlesplash>
but yes that brightness method seems pretty rarely used
<nephele>
grub2? .-.
<Lunovus>
Grub2 yes
<nephele>
Any specific reason you need it?
<Lunovus>
Atfer install of Zorin, it didn't show Grub at first (on Desktop), but boot-repair app fixed that
<nephele>
just curious, it's a strange choice for haiku :)
<coolcoder613_32>
Lunovus: I think you can use the BFS FUSE driver on Linux?
<Lunovus>
coolcoder: Yeah, read about that, but have not yet found the time to tinker with it
<Lunovus>
I just installed the two OS here
<Lunovus>
I was a "one OS" user for decades now
<coolcoder613_32>
nephele: I play around with lots of different operating systems, and Fiwix OS, and Minix 2 uses the minix filesystem
<Lunovus>
The "multi OS" installs where a thing I did in my youth
<Lunovus>
Now I'm an old fart
<nephele>
Today with EFI multiboot is a lot easier than it used to be
<Lunovus>
were
<nephele>
that is, with efi firmware you can just trash grub2 :)
<Lunovus>
Laptop has BIOS
<Lunovus>
Desktop still has MBR format on first SSD
<nephele>
Haiku also has a bios bootmenu/loader build in. not sure how that works though anyhow
<coolcoder613_32>
I'm 14, and I have 4 operating systems installed over here....
<nephele>
dualbooting with bios i usually just use severall disks
<Lunovus>
I had like 7 when I was 20
<coolcoder613_32>
Haiku, WinXP, Zorin and FreeDOS
<nephele>
Though I basically don't dual boot anymore, just using Haiku
<Lunovus>
But as I said, that was decades ago ;-)
<nephele>
only have kubuntu on my new laptop because haiku does not support it fully yet
<Lunovus>
Maybe I find the disk space to install a DragonFly BSD alongside the other 3 now
<Lunovus>
I'd like to play around with that too
<Lunovus>
But I guess that'll need another primary partition
<coolcoder613_32>
On this 32-bit Pentium Desktop with 3GB of RAM and a 1TB HDD
<Lunovus>
I'm REALLY happy Haiku doesn't! \o/
<Lunovus>
14 years and you already experiment that much?
<nephele>
I'm just happy Haiku has disk device names like /dev/disk/usb/1/0/raw
<Lunovus>
Probaly a nice coding career in front of you
<nephele>
and nott /dev/sd[N]hopeyoudon'twipeYourmaindisk linux
<Lunovus>
With better hardware, payed for by your employer ;-)
<nephele>
coolcoder613_32: in my experience FreeBSD knows much better about filesystems :P, Haiku supports only a couple of them
<coolcoder613_32>
This is not my main computer ;)
<coolcoder613_32>
For that I have a T430 with Haiku, and a m1 macbook air
<coolcoder613_32>
This one, my uncle found on the street, and gave it to my grandfather, who gave it to me.
<Lunovus>
*gg*
<nephele>
What's up with cp no longer beeing able to write a raw device when i unmount the partitions on it?
<coolcoder613_32>
nephele: I do have a FreeBSD install CD on my desk over here... But I'd prefer something with an easy UI to connect to Wifi
<nephele>
FreeBSD basically gives you the same UI as linux if you want
<coolcoder613_32>
error: linking with `cc` failed: exit status: 1
<coolcoder613_32>
= note: /boot/system/develop/tools/x86/bin/../lib/gcc/i586-pc-haiku/13.2.0/../../../../i586-pc-haiku/bin/ld: cannot find -lunix: No such file or directory
<coolcoder613_32>
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
<nephele>
it's a better desktop than linux too in my opinion, if your hardware is supported. Since the Core OS is actually somewhat sane
<coolcoder613_32>
I tried GhostBSD, couldn't get it to boot with GRUB...
<nephele>
don'
<nephele>
t try with grub2
<nephele>
neccesarily
<waddlesplash>
last time I tried to boot graphical FreeBSD I failed to make itwork
<waddlesplash>
it work
<nephele>
it's really *just* linuxes bootloader, and they don't care much about other systems
<waddlesplash>
OpenBSD on the other hand was kind of annoying, but it worked fine
<nephele>
graphical FreeBSD works quite fine if you follow the handbook
<nephele>
though nowadays all their gpu drivers are stolen from linux :P so it is just as unstable, or even more unstable than linux for the gui
<Lunovus>
So Grub2 ain't good for booting a BSD?
<Lunovus>
Damn
<Lunovus>
And is there a successor or something similar to TrueOS?
<Lunovus>
Ah, found the recommendation on their homepage
<Lunovus>
recommendations
<nephele>
hmmm, not sure. I think maybe the project from probonod?
<Lunovus>
They have recommended GhostBSD, MidnightBSD, NomadBSD
<Lunovus>
I guess the old saying is true:
<Lunovus>
Lock 5 BSD programmers in a room, and a week later you got 20 new BSD versions
<nephele>
Isn't that called a coding sprint?
<Lunovus>
Maybe this now holds true for Linux too ;-)
<coolcoder613_32>
17 of which are still maintained
<nephele>
I like mirbsd
<nephele>
even if that OS is dead, it gives us mksh and the mirbsd wtf database :D
<Lunovus>
Anybody knows if BSDs still want a primary partition?
<nephele>
I'm not sure, though the BSD's are independant projects. You can however on *most* BIOS systems use a gpt partition table too if that is a problem
<Lunovus>
Just seeing the DragonFly BSD installer only support whole disk installs..
<Lunovus>
With a slice you need to do manual installation
<Lunovus>
*sigh*
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<Lunovus>
Hmm, OpenBSD seems to be able too without GPT
<Lunovus>
to
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<nephele>
good night
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<coolcoder613>
Good afternoon erysdren
<erysdren>
hello!
<coolcoder613>
What's up?
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<coolcoder613>
nielx[m] has updated the rust port to 1.73...
<coolcoder613>
for RustPython, cargo/rustc seems to be adding '-lunix' the the linker args, which is not found.
<nielx[m]>
(or upgrade it to 0.5.0 but usually cargo complains)
<nielx[m]>
for termios and mac_address you'll have to look at the individual crates and see if they are ready for Haiku
<nielx[m]>
if not, these modules will need to be ported.
<Begasus>
fun ride :P
<Begasus>
will have to wait untill tomorrow I guess before 64bit buildmaster is done (for rav1e) :)
<Begasus>
or build rust_bin localy ...
<Begasus>
have to refrase that :) package rust_bin (thanks for precompiled version nielx[m]) :)
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<coolcoder613_mac>
I have built rust_bin locally for both 32 and 64 bit
<coolcoder613_mac>
I mean packaged :)
<Begasus>
:)
<Begasus>
good thing I'm not building in strict mode lately with haikuporter ... Warning: POLICY WARNING: can't find used library "libstd-5a93d9b549457c8e.so" :)
<OscarL>
Seems we didn't get the old dev-lang/rust recipe-cleanup along with the newest rust :-/
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<OscarL>
Begasus, et all... morning folks!
<BrunoSpr>
hi all
<OscarL>
hi BrunoSpr.
<BrunoSpr>
hi OscarL
<Begasus>
g'morning OscarL BrunoSpr
<OscarL>
Begasus: opened a PR to fix the 32 bits build of timezone_data. Tested it on both 32/64 bits. Seems good enough of a workaround for now.
<BrunoSpr>
how to find out the native resolusion of a monitor?
<Begasus>
checking
<OscarL>
BrunoSpr: on the manual from the monitor? :-P
<BrunoSpr>
time change was ok here in germany
<BrunoSpr>
oh it is an old 4:3 monitor do not have the manual
<OscarL>
more seriously... perhaps the EDID info is written to the syslog?
<Begasus>
don't have the time to see what you doing beside the ones I want to check out :P
<Begasus>
ps, you'rs isn't "that" bad :P
<OscarL>
can remove one now (the timezone_data moved to _x86), and at least 3 more are for currently open PRs (some as Drafts) so... can't remove those :-P
<nielx[m]>
OscarL: still working on that, trying to see what the state of building rust from scratch is nowadays
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<OscarL>
+ a couple under "archive/" and "wip/"... it all adds up, sorry Begasus :-)
<nielx[m]>
you'll have to suck up your cluttered screen a bit longer or do your own PR
<Begasus>
lol, got a new color on my github account :P
<OscarL>
nielx[m]: thank you! (I thought that maybe it had just slipped your mind).
<Begasus>
he's reminded once in a while ;)
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<Begasus>
hmm .. my branches are not that bad, a few awayting PR's, some old or not relavant atm :)
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<Begasus>
julia still not fixed ... erlang for 32bit still not ...
<OscarL>
Begasus: re qBitTorrent/Python comment on the forum... that new setting is pretty fresh, not even in the latest 4.6.0.
<OscarL>
so seems reasonable that our 4.3.13 doesn't have it :-P
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<Begasus>
haven't looked any further there OscarL, the poster maybe has a newer version local then?
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<OscarL>
I think you either mis-read my comment, or I borked it while writting it :-)
<OscarL>
I was just mentioning that if the issue continues... there's a related change upstream that we'll either need to wait for...
<OscarL>
or we'll need to patch things ourselves.
<Begasus>
I didn't have a problem running the search function in it
<OscarL>
thats good to hear. then most likely the user is either python-less, or still on 3.9
<Begasus>
I'm guessing python3.9 would still work OK too with it?
<OscarL>
I doubt it. Seems qBitTorrent only looks for "python3" or "python" in $PATH.
<OscarL>
so, to be more precise, yeah... could work, but only if you do a symlink python3.9 -> python3 on "non-packaged/bin"
<Begasus>
ah
<Begasus>
I'm guessing the problem with pycharm here is that it is looking for cmd:python :)
<OscarL>
see if a symlink fixes it? (but don't forget to remove it afterward! I tripped with that in the past)
* OscarL
likes Begasus' screenshot of qBitTorrent search function. Reminds me of the "I only used to download ISOs, I swear!" defense :-)
<Begasus>
launching error now with it
<Begasus>
lol OscarL!
<Begasus>
and getting a lot of crap in ... :P
<OscarL>
+200 people still seeding the beta4 ISOs after all these months... not bad.
<Begasus>
most of them probably don't even know it's still there :)
<Begasus>
k, having 2 diff jre versions installed doesn't work for pycharm
<OscarL>
I thought I was one of those, but that was before one of my HDD got borked :-/
<Begasus>
launching pycharm from Deskbar doesn't seem to work too
<Begasus>
never did any seeding there :P
<OscarL>
Wish you the best of luck to Begasus with that stuff. I have jre based things on my "do not even look at that" list :-D
<OscarL>
Off to do some chores. Later folks, have a good one!
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 74bb3a8 - pycharm_community_bin, bump version (#9703)
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<Begasus>
nielx[m], trying to build latest cargo-c errors out (iirc I had the same error on previous attempts to update our version): https://bpa.st/FYXQ
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<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus dcc899b - live555, revert version bump (#9718)
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<coolcoder613_32>
Good morning
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<Anarchos>
how to force haikuporter to build a package marked broken ?
<coolcoder613_32>
change the recipe?
<jmairboeck>
Anarchos: if it is marked as "untested" (with ?) you can enable a setting in haikuports.conf to allow building them, if it is marked "broken" (using !) you have to edit the recipe
<Anarchos>
coolcoder613_32 i thought there was a flag of haikuporter to override the recipe
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<Anarchos>
got it : haikuporter sbcl_x86. Even if i do "setarch x86", it doesn't make haikuporter building for this arch
<jmairboeck>
haikuporter uses a chroot, so a subshell like setarch wouldn't work for that
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<Begasus>
closing down, g'night peeps!
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<coolcoder613_32>
Hello HaikuUser
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<coolcoder613_32>
Hi erysdren
<erysdren>
hello
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<coolcoder613_32>
I have the crate endbasic, some of its dependencies depend on mio 0.7.14, how can I change that to 0.8.9?