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<OscarL> I've made some change on the Python recipes, and now I'm able to easily change which version is the "default" one (the one you get when calling `python3`).
<OscarL> kinda funny to run HaikuPorter with Python 3.14.0a5 :-D
<OscarL> the idea is to just `pkgman install python3.nn_default` (with "nn" one of 10, 11, 12, 13...).
<OscarL> seems to work fine, but I'm not sure how to "smooth out" the transition from current "default" Python (3.10) to this.
<OscarL> (will probably add a draft PR, and ping some people for feedback :-D)
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<augiedoggie> it would be nice to have some way to change it without having to install different packages
<augiedoggie> but i don't care too much about python
<OscarL> Mmm. Without using packages, I think we'll be limited to setting those symlinks under ~/non-packaged/bin/ (and not under /system/bin or ~/config/bin).
<OscarL> I guess we could have a "/bin/python3" wrapper script that reads a setting file and select the user wanted interpreter?
<augiedoggie> something like update-alternatives from debian
<augiedoggie> wouldn't have to be non-packaged, could be in /system/settings/...
<augiedoggie> so /bin/python3 is a symlink to /system/settings/alternatives/python3 which is a symlink to /bin/python3.14
<augiedoggie> there are other ways of doing it too
<OscarL> I see. thanks you!
<OscarL> good thing that Pythons can be installed side-by-side so easily.
<augiedoggie> i wasn't necessarily saying you need to change anything, just that "it would be nice to..."
<augiedoggie> it won't be me hitting the merge button on it :P
<OscarL> I think your suggestion holds merit, specially if it can be generalized to other packages.
<augiedoggie> the only thing is that symlink would probably be created initially by a post install script
<augiedoggie> but that won't get run on the builders, so any python packages might need a `ln -s` in the BUILD
<augiedoggie> to create the /system symlink
<OscarL> right... a post-script creating the initial symlink if none is there should work nicely on the user's end.
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<OscarL> thanks for the suggestions augiedoggie. Much appreciated :-)
<augiedoggie> no problem, we'll see what the others think
* OscarL goes back to cleanup yt_dlp/youtube_dl recipes before humdinger updates them again :-D
* coolcoder613 waves
<OscarL> hello coolcoder613 :-)
* coolcoder613 offers phschafft and OscarL a chocolate-covered toffee
<Begasus[m]> morning peeps
<OscarL> Hola Begasus[m].
<Begasus[m]> Hola OscarL
<Begasus[m]> ok, damage control today :)
<OscarL> something broken?
* OscarL hides, just in case.
<Begasus[m]> poppler (it was me) :)
<Begasus[m]> time to move to the newer version
<OscarL> these yt_dlp/youtube_dl recipes make my head hurt.
<OscarL> why do we even have *_python310 versions of those?
<Begasus[m]> beats me, poke humdinger for that? :P
<OscarL> Seems to me that the original recipes were just based on regular python package .recipe. (with support for multiple python versions, et all)
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<OscarL> Also, there's two ways of installing them... "stand-alone" or as a Python module... but now the "stand-alone" version requires "request_python310", which kinda defeats the purpose of the "stand-alone" version :-D
<OscarL> Meh... will try both, and add a "recipe variable" to choose one of the two :-P
<Begasus[m]> bind them into just one package?
<OscarL> Begasus[m]: yes, I'm trying to only have one "yt_dlp" (no matter if the "standalone" or the "module" version).
<phschafft> coolcoder613: hu, thanks :)
<OscarL> "standalone" version is about half the size (as it doesn't contains .pyc files).
* coolcoder613 made them yesterday
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<phschafft> :)
<Begasus[m]> I could check with plasmatube OscarL that uses them
<OscarL> That would be good, thanks Begasus[m]. Will let you know when I push my changes.
<Begasus[m]> 👍
<Begasus[m]> bah: PermissionError: [Errno -2147483633] Operation not allowed: 'images/add_book.png' -> 'images/tmpcda4mayr/calibre-default/images/add_book.png'
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<Begasus[m]> on latest calibre :/
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<nekobot> • threedeyes (8a80b6fe): krdc: remove mime_info files
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<Begasus[m]> ow, I missed those it seems :/
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/8a80b6fe5080...c55efffcbbc7
<nekobot> • Begasus (c55efffc): hippo, revbump, move to poppler24 (#11853)
<OscarL> mmm, the "standalone" yt-dlp is hardcoded to call "python3", which might be different from the version used in one of its dependencies (request_python310).
<nekobot> • threedeyes (cc1812d7): zstd: fix include path in cmake file
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<OscarL> So I guess we should just use the "regular" version instead (same way we do for speedtest_cli, docutils, etc).
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<nekobot> • threedeyes (0f87c2ef): cereal: bump version
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<nekobot> • Begasus (52791a4c): kile, revbump, use new poppler25 (#11854)
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<nekobot> • threedeyes (3271880c): wayland_server: bump version
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<nekobot> • Begasus (e82d5790): analitza, add KF6 version (#11855)
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<OscarL> Begasus[m]: PR for yt_dlp and youtube_dl ready.
<OscarL> and of course I left a typo there... will fix :-D
<Begasus[m]> thanks OscarL will check in a bit :)
<OscarL> no hurries :-)
<Begasus[m]> cantor update almost done, now fidling with qanculator :)
<OscarL> at least now they are up before humdinger bumps versions again :-D
<Begasus[m]> s/qancculator/qalculator :P
<Begasus[m]> seeing humdinger is moving away from github, I wonder how he will do it?
<OscarL> was not aware of him leaving gh.
<Begasus[m]> saw something by at the forum this week?
<Begasus[m]> man .... "passing by" * :)
<augiedoggie> he's active on codeberg
<Begasus[m]> I think we all have some work over there augiedoggie , but I don't think it's possible to create PR's bridged to github there
<augiedoggie> he's just moving his personal projects, i think he'll use github when needed
<augiedoggie> but i haven't talked to him about it, that's just my guess
<Begasus[m]> could also be .... anyway, morning chores :)
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<nekobot> • augiedoggie (8ca81462): spybmessage: delete recipe
<OscarL> Mmm, me learns about HaikuDepot's "--nonetworking" option, and wonders if he can learn enough from that to add a similar switch to pkgman
<OscarL> Drives me crazy that (when trying to install LOCAL .hpkg files) it just hangs if you have no internet.
<OscarL> "hangs" as in... takes several minutes to finally timeout and move on.
<OscarL> time's up :-/. See you around folks!
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<Anarchos> hello
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<nekobot> • Begasus (df1bb23d): cantor, bump version, switch to KF6 (#11857)
<nekobot> • Begasus (7798cb7d): libqalculate, bump version (#11858)
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<nekobot> • Begasus (bd944512): qalculate_qt, bump version, switch to Qt6 (#11859)
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<nekobot> • DigitalBox98 (f644a70e): MariaDB port (#11803)…
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<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/f644a70e7d83...496f07d92dcc
<nekobot> • Begasus (496f07d9): yacreader, bump version (#11860)
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<nekobot> • Begasus (a293dd08): booksorg, revbump, switch to poppler25 (#11861)
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<nekobot> • Begasus (8dd3ddbe): qpdfview, revbump, switch to poppler24 (#11862)
<Begasus[m]> why? /boot/home/haikuports/packages/poppler23_qt5-23.09.0-3-x86_64.hpkg :/
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<Begasus[m]> on 32bit buildmaster it selects the correct one, on 64bit it doesn't, failed builds :/
<nekobot> • Begasus (d51505ad): yacreader, force poppler_qt5 package usage (#11863)…
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/8dd3ddbeee40...d51505add138
<Begasus[m]> k, let's see if this fixes things on buildmaster
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<nekobot> • Begasus (d53ac425): booksorg, force poppler_qt5 package usage (#11864)…
<nekobot> [haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to branch master: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/d53ac4253b64...64e4e2ab6f98
<nekobot> • Begasus (64e4e2ab): qpdfview, force poppler_qt5 package usage (#11865)…
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<nekobot> • Begasus (f05640a2): poppler22, re-enable for calibre (#11866)
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<skylar[m]> has there been any work done on the atheroswifi issue
<waddlesplash> I investigated a bit but didn't hear back from the FreeBSD devs yet
<waddlesplash> you should open a ticket with the logs you posted the other day
<waddlesplash> (at the Haiku bugtracker)
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<Anarchos> just a little remark : since the change in the blogging mechanism on haiku-so.org (now, blogs being pull request on the website), there are very few blog posts excepts activity reports from waddlesplah. It this issue being discussed among the website team ?
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<waddlesplash> Anarchos: I think this changed long before the blogging mechanism changed
<waddlesplash> we've had the new website for many years now, blogging activity died down before that
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<Anarchos> waddlesplash: i know, but i find it sad and the website seems less lively.
<waddlesplash> well, people just aren't writing articles...
<waddlesplash> the "website team" is mostly just developers occasionally doing things now
<waddlesplash> there was a "promotions team" but that seems dormant too
<waddlesplash> people just aren't spending time working on these things it seems...
<erysdren> it would be cool to write something but i'm not really a good blog writer... lol
<erysdren> also, i don't think i'm as involved as other people anyway
<Anarchos> erysdren: i wrote some blog post myself. it is not as easy as writing a styled text with StyledEdit, but i was proud to see my technical articles in haiku website (i wrote about texlive, porting coq and compcert) :)
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<erysdren> if i were to write anything, i'd write about porting games to Haiku
<erysdren> but i dunno what i'd say :P
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<scanty> i wish we could secure the source to HeadOverHeels.
<scanty> that was a really fun game
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<waddlesplash> skylar[m]: did you open a ticket?
<skylar[m]> no i do not know how to do that
<skylar[m]> thx
<Begasus[m]> closing down here
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<Begasus[m]> cu peeps
<erysdren> cya Begasus
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 76b7ab4c8e21 - kernel: Move struct Thread declaration above struct Team.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] f6ca5f1927c5 - kernel/team: Actually fetch child thread times for B_TEAM_USAGE_CHILDREN.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 61d76848f035 - kernel/thread: Convert Team::thread_list to a DoublyLinkedList.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] da6325cd031d - kernel/thread: Make thread_death_entry use DoublyLinkedList.
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 0c76e02c583c - libroot/string: Compare size_ts in memcmp(), not uint32_ts.
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 752c6e8b9ec5 - kernel/thread: Fix a TODO in get_next_thread_info().
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<nekobot> • waddlesplash (8e0f7a6a): intel_wifi_firmwares: Bump version.
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<nekobot> • waddlesplash (1ef06e62): ralink-wifi-firmwares: Add firmware for MT7601U.
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<nexus6> hey folks, i constantly get this error when I compile different packages in rust (required by some other python package like maturin, pydantic, qdrant, and more) "equal = equal && (self.0.domainname == other.0.domainname);" where domainname is an unknown field. What am I missing?
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<AlienSoldier> decompilation tools progress again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqpw-QPsdCg
<AlienSoldier> i could see the day where we could play natively the entire library of game in haiku, then 3d acceleration would make a lot of sense.
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<x512[m]> 3D acceleration is not very important for old games.
<erysdren> sure, if your game was made before the year 2000
<erysdren> Quake's software renderer runs great! its from 1996.
<erysdren> my knowledge is rather limited, but wasn't Unreal (1998) the last big PC game release to have a software renderer included?
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