<nekobot>
• korli (cb35ae70): llvm20: try to fix x86 build
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<Begasus[m]>
morning peeps
<erysdren>
morning Begasus
<Begasus[m]>
hi erysdren
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<erysdren>
Begasus: when adding an additional-file to a package, but not bumping the package version, that means i need to bump the REVISION field right?
<nekobot>
• yann64 (f3b262b3): cppfront : bump to 0.8.1 (#11897)
<Begasus[m]>
thanks yann64 :)
<yann64>
you're welcomed :)
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* nephele
wonders why the efi loader doesn't also allow netbooting
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<Yoke>
This might sound a bit "old man screams at clouds" but what happened to PC cases with Drive bays? why is it hard to get a nice looking case with drive bays?
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<Begasus[m]>
try to find a recent laptop with one :)
<Yoke>
oh don't get me started
<Begasus[m]>
heh
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<Yoke>
I will GLADLY take a bulkier laptop if I can use DVDs
<Yoke>
also just gonna say it, the hell happened to mechanical docks?
<erysdren>
i have a 2006 thinkpad with an absolutely wonderful dock
<erysdren>
it literally has a lock-and-key lol
<nephele>
mechanical docks seem kind off obsolete since usb-c
<nephele>
those used to all have their DIY connectors :)
<Yoke>
I wanna get an old thinkpad like that so bad but I already have 3 older machines, the Vostro that I'm using right now, my daily driver Dell Lattitude and an old Packard Bell laptop (post NEC takeover)
<nephele>
I have a couple older 32bit laptops for haiku... but something or another thing is always missing for support
<Yoke>
yep, for better or for worse USB-C/Thunderbolt has become the standard now
<x512[m]>
Standard USB-C is of course much better than a lot of incompatible proprietary connectors.
<erysdren>
i just love the plethora of ports you get on the Thinkpad dock i have.
<Yoke>
and that's the sticking point with older machines, most distros are abandoning 32-bit now, or did ages ago
<nephele>
only problem with usb-c is that it is not always compatible... :(
<Yoke>
yep
<erysdren>
nice to have a new standard that works with (almost) everything, of course. but i still miss the old stuff
<erysdren>
nostalgia probably
<x512[m]>
You may have multiple functional dock stations that are still functional, but laptop is dead and new laptop have incompatible connector.
<nephele>
for example getting a display to connect the steam deck to that uses 4 lanes for displayport, but also 45W charging (with mandatory 15V because steam deck...) and usb2 at the same time is difficult
<nephele>
erysdren: 3d printed dock? :D
<erysdren>
who has a 3d printer? i don't
<erysdren>
:P
<Yoke>
I'm just scared to hell of breaking the conector, I've broken 2 USB-c cables by accident now and I just pray that it doesn't get stuck IN my phone
<nephele>
Yeah, we also don't have one. But three /me ducks
<erysdren>
lol nephele
<erysdren>
*something something slaps with a fish*
<nephele>
erysdren: to be fair, none of them are mine personally
<nephele>
so i bear no responsibility :D
<nephele>
I keep soldering usb-c to old usb1.1 or usb2 devices :)
<nephele>
and also solder usb-c "trigger" boards onto old laptops to charge them with usb-c
<Yoke>
I'd be scared of overvolting stuff doing that
<nephele>
why?
<Yoke>
USB-C chargers are wierd, cause you either gotta short a couple pins together to get higher voltage or you have it communicate, the latter going over my head completely
<nephele>
shorting some pins together is "only" if you want to use the older usb battery charging spec iirc
<Yoke>
like the device "talks" to the charger to let it know what speeds it supports, it's nuts
<nephele>
and that doesn't give enough energy for older laptops
<nephele>
usb power delivery. yeah. PD1 is not that bad, it just sais "use profile X" and a profile has a set ammount of V
<nephele>
and with pd-2 it can specify the voltage
<x512[m]>
I never broke USB-C connectors. Bent Micro-USB once, but it was still functional.
<Yoke>
most cables would probably be glowing like an edison carbon lamp bulb before it gets close enough with the amps needed
<nephele>
no
<nephele>
new laptops and "old" ones don't differ that much in requirements. And for power delivery the *cable* has to agree aswell that it can support that draw needed
<nephele>
usb-c is complex, but it is not badly designed... some things are a bit wierd though... But hey that's the complexity if you want to plug anything into anything xD
<x512[m]>
Yoke: You can increase voltage to transfer more power with the same current. USB PD do this.
<Yoke>
I never said it was badly designed, just confusing as all hell to me, doesn't help that the USB consortium likes to change the name of the standard every couple years
<Yoke>
minor gripe though really
<nephele>
the naming confusion is terrible
<x512[m]>
USB PD supports up to 240W (48V/5A).
<nephele>
consumers can't figure out this shit either. Atleast "USB4" now means a usb-c cable with specific capabilities... so you can tell people to buy that
<nephele>
but then again a usb3 usb-c cable may be sufficient too for what you want
<Yoke>
F*ck me that's a lotta voltage
<Habbie>
just don't lick it
* nephele
remembers 40V lamps beeing reffered to as "security low voltage"
<Yoke>
yeah, I work with trucks, 24v can fuck you up pretty bad if you're not careful, I ain't 'effin with 48
<Yoke>
mind I guess two giant lead acid batteries can dump way more current than a usb charger
<nephele>
40V in that context was for lighting in wet enviroments :)
<Yoke>
anything over like 5v in the presense of water just gives me shivers, I know it would be pretty hard to get 40 to spark but y'know water breaks everything
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<Anarchos>
hello
<erysdren>
morning Anarchos
<Yoke>
heya Anarchos
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<nephele>
Yoke: those were lights completely encased in rubber
<nephele>
I guess the idea there is 40V DC is better than 230AC...
<Yoke>
ah, that would make more sense
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<x512[m]>
USB PD have special handling to avoid sparks.
<Yoke>
I would hope so, it is a consumer standard
<Yoke>
brb
<Anarchos>
nephele: could you succeed to do net boot ?
<nephele>
Anarchos: I've not tried. I don't have direct access to the dhcp server
<Anarchos>
nephele: i set up my own dhcp server on a linux machine to do it at home
<nephele>
yeah okay. But we already have two dhcp servers at home. And I don't want to set one up that "fights" on the netwoek
<Anarchos>
i understand. That's why i do all my tests on a separate network 192.168.2.x where all machines are connected to their dedicated switch. The linux machine being a gateway through ISP box with a wifi dongle configured with 192.168.1.x IP.
<nephele>
makes sense. But I don't have knowledge yet how to do that
<nephele>
but i can change the config of the dhcp server, just have to do it properly :)
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<nephele>
kallisti5[m]: does our SSO support OpenID? and if it does is there some docs on how to use it? I'm trying to sign-in to the gerrit of PulkoMandy for Renga
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<kallisti5[m]>
<nephele> "kallisti5: does our SSO support..." <- Hm.. we probably could set that it. It doesn't support it today though
<Begasus[m]>
94% tests passed, 3 tests failed out of 49 (for gammaray), not bad :)
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<mbrumbelow>
Begasus[m]: That is a passing grade… A-
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<Begasus[m]>
right mbrumbelow :D
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* mbrumbelow
wondering when this boring meeting I am in will end…
<Begasus[m]>
hand around some bords with points on to judge the meeting? ;)
<mbrumbelow>
Haha!
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<Begasus[m]>
whoot, llvm20 build still running on buildmaster
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<Begasus[m]>
-- Could NOT find libdwarf (missing: LIBDL_LIBRARY) (stupid libdl) :/
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<Begasus[m]>
closing down
<Begasus[m]>
cu peeps!
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<nephele>
hey, someone have tips for calligra? I'm trying to write a document but the spellcheck is marking everything as wrong. Is there maybe a localized package i need to install?
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<nephele>
kallisti5[m]: okay. Do you want me to open a ticket for openid?
<nephele>
found it. the aspell_{lang} package has to be installed :)
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<JackDaniel>
Hi there! Can I disable trackpad on my DELL laptop?
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<nephele>
JackDaniel: why?
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<JackDaniel>
because I use only USB mouse and sometimes I put my hands accidentally on the trackpad
<Anarchos>
JackDaniel my ACPI button works for that, but there must be support in firmware, waayyyyy under the OS layers....
<JackDaniel>
@nephele because I use only USB mouse and sometimes I put my hands accidentally on the trackpad
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