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<Anarchos> hi
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<andreasdr> Hi
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<Anarchos> how are you andreasdr
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<andreasdr> Nice here.
<andreasdr> Just still waking up. Here its 7am
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<andreasdr> Need to work in a few minutes for some hours though
<Anarchos> andreasdr same here in france ;à
<andreasdr> What about you Sir?
<andreasdr> Ah I See.
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<Not-5726> [haiku/website] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±1] https://git.io/JM6V0
<Not-5726> [haiku/website] jt15s bfc4daa - Add press release + press kit on launch of Haiku merchandise (#568)
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev55679] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=d1f10fcef932+%5E62cdbd253ec1
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] d1f10fcef932 - Added missing --cross-tools-source argument name for bootstrap build and missing \ at the end of line 136
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev55680] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=8a18d81d7a3e+%5Ed1f10fcef932
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 8a18d81d7a3e - boot/arch/arm: disable FPU initialization on bootloader start
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 7 commits to master [hrev55681] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=f5f10a9ec9a9+%5E8a18d81d7a3e
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] ff9497b539b2 - boot/efi/dtb: require exact match for PL011 in device tree
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 326b5263de25 - boot/efi/dtb: implement clock frequency resolution for PL011
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 15951db938cc - kernel/arch/arm: initialize debug console based on FDT
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] a722fbfc4558 - kernel/arch/arm: enable 8250 generic and OMAP UART drivers
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 19960ba6f99b - boot/efi/dtb: implement interrupt-cells handling
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 1f46427d16f0 - kernel/arch/arm: introduce virtual_ranges_to_keep
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] f5f10a9ec9a9 - boot/efi/arm: remap UART to kernel address space
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev55682] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=c5d81c27398a+%5Ef5f10a9ec9a9
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] c5d81c27398a - build: prepare for x86 EFI loader
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev55683] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=e82b45788325+%5Ec5d81c27398a
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] e82b45788325 - boot/efi/devices: fix warning for comparison signedness
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev55684] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=563ac5122903+%5Ee82b45788325
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 563ac5122903 - boot/efi: fix compile issue with format strings
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-2/±0] https://git.io/JMP0R
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] extrowerk 33360ec - OpenBLAS: bump (#6285)
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<extrowerk_3> waddlesplash: i have updated https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/14298
<extrowerk_3> lately haiku boot randomly stops at the rocket on my t440s.
<extrowerk_3> I have experienced it already 2 time of 20 boots or so.
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<waddlesplash> extrowerk_3: I've seen that hang on qemu. there's a ticket for it.
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<countryboy> waddlesplash: vitualbox now ok ... it was activating paravirtualization on bios ...
<countryboy> maybe also qemu
<countryboy> trying rebuilding kernel modules ...
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<Anarchos> hello boistordu_ex
<Anarchos> boistordu_es are you french speaking ?
<Anarchos> boistordu_ex are you french speaking ?
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<Anarchos> If i do "fListeTheories_ListView->LockLooper(); fListeTheories_ListView->AddItem(lisig); fListeTheories_ListView->Invalidate(); fListeTheories_ListView->ResizeToPreferred(); fListeTheories_ListView->UnlockLooper();"
<Anarchos> i get "looper must be locked before proceeding"
<Anarchos> is n't it the purpose of LockLooper ?
<PulkoMandy> make sure LockLooper returned true, it can fail (for example if the listview was not added to a window yet)
<Anarchos> PulkoMandy oh nice thank you , i wasn't aware of that
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<Anarchos> PulkoMandy i was , but i forgot it...
<Anarchos> PulkoMandy anyway, i put the traces you asked for my touchscreen, on my ticket
<PulkoMandy> yes, I think Lt_Henry is looking into the HID driver
<PulkoMandy> I had not a lot of time for it in the last few weeks
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<Vidrep_64> Hi
<Vidrep_64> waddlesplash, I added a comment at HaikuArchives for BurnItNow
<Vidrep_64> After testing humdinger's patches to cdrtools for the past two days, it appears that the first patch to fifo.c is good enough to make BurnItNow work without crashing
<Vidrep_64> Cloning a disc with cdda2wav still does not work and is already disabled in BurnItNow. humdinger's subsequent patches did not fix the issue.
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<Anarchos> PulkoMandy no trouble
<Anarchos> PulkoMandy i wish i would better skilled in those drivers to help myself
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<HaikuUser> Hello, was anyone able to get wifi to work with Broadcom 570x?
<HaikuUser> ?
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<Cian> the 570x is a wired card
<Cian> you may need to check again to see what your wifi chipset actually is
<Cian> as goes for ethernet on one of those, I used one all of two days ago with b3 and it worked fine. Machine had two, didn't try the secondary
<HaikuUser> So I'm a little confused. The network thingy is saying "dev/net/broadcom570x/0: is ready"
<HaikuUser> The Devices app is showing something else
<Cian> that's your wired ethernet card
<Cian> that would suggest that your wifi chipset either has no driver; or needs a firmware download
<Cian> what network controllers are showing in Devices? particularly their IDs
<HaikuUser2> id 0x4328
<Cian> is there a vendor ID?
<Cian> well, there is a broadcom 4328 so its presuambly them
<HaikuUser2> device/type0x2 device/subtype0x80 device/interface0 device/vendor0x14e4 device/id0x4328
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<Cian> right, as far as I know that is a later Broadcom chip with appalling driver support outside of Windows and MacOS. It uses the "bwn" driver in FreeBSD which is not ported to Haiku
<Cian> I've got a laptop sitting closed in front of me with one of that family of chips in it. And no wired ethernet, so its basically dead to the world in Haiku
<HaikuUser2> bummer
<Cian> they're not "normal" wireless chips and sit on some obscure broadcom-only bus
<HaikuUser2> What would you say is the Haiku appeal? Why are we here? :)
<Cian> well, its a now no longer used chipset that is exceptionally complicated to support
* HaikuUser2 Udi
<Cian> I've been here for two decades more or less, on and off, I'm used to certain things not working
<HaikuUser2> Is Haiku your "daily driver"?
<HaikuUser2> Which web browser are you using?
<Cian> no. Mainly because I have to use a proprietary remote access tool all the time
<Cian> BeOS was, for seven or eight years
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<Cian> I could probably use Haiku at home if I put a bit of effort in to a few specific things, e.g. I can't mount my NAS as it has too modern SMB
<Udi> Back in 1997 I received a bootable CD with a magazine and was impressed with BeOS. Since then I check on Haiku occationally. Have not seen it evolved much
<Udi> PC Plus magazine?
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<Cian> BeOS Intel would have been 97/98; but the big magazine cover push was with 5.0 PE in 2000
<Cian> Haiku may look fairly similar to BeOS 5 out of the box but its massively evolved underneath
<Udi> I'm sure
<Cian> vastly more stable, vastly more POSIX compliant, USB2/3, wifi, multilanguage support
<Cian> modern basic hardware support (I've been trying and failing to get BeOS 5 from 2000 to work on a computer from 2007 the last few days)
<Cian> haiku works fine on it
<Cian> and on machines from 2021, its not targetting 2007; but that wasn't my point
<Cian> 64 bit, UEFI, AHCI disks, NVMe storage, virtualisation drivers
<Cian> reliable if... convoluted package manager
<Udi> Any practical use for it?
<Cian> better compilers, modern C++ support on 64 bit
<Cian> more practical uses for it than basically any other alt-OS (Linux and *BSD are mainstream by now)
<Cian> plenty of people here using it as their daily driver; there are commercial systems using it
<Udi> It has such a small footprint. I thought of using it for digital signage media player
<Udi> How secure is it?
<Cian> its a single user OS where you're running as root
<Cian> so once anyone gets in they can do what they want
<Cian> all external packages would be updated whenever there are security holes and there are static code analysers run agains the core OS code, but it is entirely possible there are unknown, exploitable holes
<Cian> probable indeed
<Udi> I'm intrigued :) Thanks for the chat! Are you on Twitter or such?
<Cian> yes, but unless you're in to pubs in Dublin (and very little else) you're unlikely to find me interesting...
<Cian> there are usually a lot more people active here, particularly on weekends
<Udi> I love a good IPA :) That's me https://twitter.com/brightscripters
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<Cian> cian_duffy
<Cian> sorry, I should add - moaning at the local public transit firms when things are late or broken. I do a lot of that.
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<Udi> node-red on Haiku anyone? Getting errors while trying to install with npm
<AlienSoldier> Hi Cian :) I walways wondered if Bozo Night Out take place in Ireland or Britain.
<AlienSoldier> *always
<Cian> AlienSoldier had to google that. England specifically I'd think
<AlienSoldier> hehe
<AlienSoldier> probably cause of the cops look. I don't know if they look the same in ireland.
<Cian> they don't have that helmet here anyway
<Cian> slightly more modern yet seriously outdated peaked cap
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<Udi> What's the recommended web browser in Haiku?
<Cian> generally, Webpositive and log tickets for issues you find.
<Cian> Plenty of people use Otter though
<Cian> and Falkon has recently been ported albeit its not terribly stable yet
<Udi> thanks!
<AlienSoldier> and for lightweight site, i use netsurf the same way i used net positive in the R5 days
<Cian> yeah, its not a bad choice if you look at mobile sites / reading html documentation
<Udi> What's the equivalent to sudo?
<jadedctrl> Udi: no equivalent, you're functionally "root"
<jadedctrl> you can use "su", but use-case is pretty limited afaik
<Udi> jadedctrl That's what I thought but there are directrories where scripts don't have premission to mkdir
<Udi> npm ERR! rofs EROFS: read-only file system, mkdir '/boot/system/lib/node_modules/yarn'
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<Cian> yeah, that's package management related. those directories cannot be written to by anyone
<Cian> there are alternate directories
<Cian> this is what I meant when I said it was convoluted...
<Cian> I'm off, someone else here should be able toexplain it better
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