<Begasus>
I think PulkoMandy mentioned something last week about updates not comming through
<Begasus>
still on beta here, so not that much updates for me anyway :)
<Niklas[m]>
Yes,but the IPFS mirror seems to be offline completely
<nephele>
Begasus: PulkoMandy mentioned something about the builders beeing offline
<nephele>
Niklas: I don't know how that would be possible? isn't ipfs designed to be a distributed system by nature? maybe only that specific cloudfare mirror you selected is down
<Begasus>
someting like that yes, which ment updates not comming in :)
<Niklas[m]>
On gateway.ipfs.io and de.hpkg.haiku-os.org I get the same error,so it's not cloudflares fault
<nephele>
Huh, so your error /isnt/ a dns error?
<Niklas[m]>
Not on my side
<Niklas[m]>
All IPFS gateways can't resolve the IPNS domain hpkg.haiku-os.org anymore
<nephele>
what's an ipns domain? is that just a dns name?
<Niklas[m]>
It's a DNS name that should resolve to some cryptic IPFS identifier where the repository files are actually stored in the distributed IPFS network
<nephele>
anyhow. I suppose kallisti5 can help you once he is available
<nephele>
Niklas: honestly... that sounds too complex, and a great single point of failure for this stuff...
<nephele>
So, DNS gives /a/ response, that looks fine? I have no idea how to interpret this string of data though, but i can see there is some there :)
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<nephele>
(you can use dig instead of drill, drill is nicer because it respects DNSSEC, but we don't have it ported on haiku iirc)
<Niklas[m]>
The IPFS string doesn't load as well,maybe it has been removed or all servers which have that content are currently down
<nephele>
Okay, that is one step further, so it could be resolved but the string published is either outdated or the content is just gone for some reason
<Niklas[m]>
Yes
<nephele>
Well, either hope kallisti5 here sees the ping, or make a ticket :D
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<nephele>
Heh searching for "16:10 4k" makes epiphany think it is somehow a domain i want to visit, i'm curious if webposiitve thinks that too
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<Begasus>
in the address bar?
<Begasus>
takes me to google :P
<nephele>
Yes, well that would be the expected behaviour, i don't see how it could be a domain but epiphany tried to open it as a domain anyway (and failed)
<Begasus>
engines/queen ... not there yet
<nephele>
it's the Gnome3 web browser also based on webkit
<Begasus>
+1 for Net+ :)
<Begasus>
Web+ *
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<nephele>
Maybe there should be an explicit "visit <site>" option in the webpositive dropdown, with an explicit shortcut, so we can always skip the search if one is sure that it should be a server
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<nephele>
also a shortcut to always search for it could be nice
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<nephele>
Would alt-F as shortcut to search the string as is be too unintutivie? It's technically different to searching in a webpage, but the core "search for smth" seems to be similar
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<nephele>
chromium has a easy to understand ui of using "tab" to change the state of the input bar to indicate that now everything will be send to a search engine, so you can type "duckduck<tab" and it will then search in duckduckgo, it might be an UI option to consider
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<Begasus>
nephele, Alt-F already acts as searching the webpage here
<nephele>
Yes, it does, which is why I'm wondering if this is a good option or not
<nephele>
If you are already in the process of typing in the box you probably don't think of searching inside the website?
<Begasus>
I use that multiple times in FF already, wouldn't want it otherwise :)
<nephele>
I'm not talking about removing the option to search in websites, only to make it activate the search when you are tying in the adress bar
<Begasus>
ah, that's different yes
<Begasus>
but not something I probably would use ;)
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<Begasus>
enginges/wintermute ... getting closer (but not there yet) :)
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<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/Jysp3
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes e92d061 - qTox: bump version
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<rennj>
It's Festivus, where's your aluminum pole?!?!
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<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/JyZJd
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus bcda70e - scummvm, bump version (#6495)
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<nephele>
Aluminim pole?
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<Begasus>
heading down, g'night peeps
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<kallisti5[m]>
<Niklas[m]> "The IPFS string doesn't load..." <- Oof. I thought we had several mirrors
<kallisti5[m]>
I have a small pc dedicated to serving IPFS.. maybe it's down
<Niklas[m]>
How much storage is needed for a IPFS mirror?
<kallisti5[m]>
~200GiB
<kallisti5[m]>
yup.. little PC serving IPFS was offline
<kallisti5[m]>
... while everyone is mirroring it, i bet the ipns -> ipfs cid mapping only exists on my desktop
<kallisti5[m]>
which is a bit shite to be honest
<Niklas[m]>
Unfortunately none of my servers has so much free storage currently :/
<kallisti5[m]>
Pretty much, these are the reasons why I backed away from IPFS being our primary distribution system for packages
<kallisti5[m]>
Right now, I use it as a backup incase we suffer some mass issue with our current hosting provider
<kallisti5[m]>
node starting back up
<Niklas[m]>
I think the IPFS package mirror is a really good thing.Not perfect,but it keeps expensive traffic away from the main servers and it's fast from every location
<kallisti5[m]>
yeah. That was my general idea behind using it.
<kallisti5[m]>
IPFS seemed to support all of our requirements. The big down side has been more technical implementation
<Niklas[m]>
I may be able to make enough free space to create a mirror in a few months if that can anyhow improve the availability
<Niklas[m]>
But if I understood it correctly that was more of a single point of failure thing?
<nephele>
We should probably finish package signing so we can offer normal mirrors more easily
<kallisti5[m]>
nephele: yup. I have signing setup everywhere I can. Lacking points is our package management validating the signatures and haikuporter
<kallisti5[m]>
so.. the failure here is my ipfs node has the private key for /ipns/k51qzi5uqu5dgnsdtttsbgsu7rbpky52k7lwi55mk8eywf2o0ds749syqiq6g9
<Niklas[m]>
Thanks,will switch the settings back tomorrow
<kallisti5[m]>
DNS hpkg.haiku-os.org dns link -> /ipns/k51qzi5uqu5dgnsdtttsbgsu7rbpky52k7lwi55mk8eywf2o0ds749syqiq6g9 -> /ipfs/(CID)
<kallisti5[m]>
/ipns/k51qzi5uqu5dgnsdtttsbgsu7rbpky52k7lwi55mk8eywf2o0ds749syqiq6g9 is a public key. my node has the private key.
<kallisti5[m]>
it's like this so my node can point hpkg.haiku-os.org to the latest CID hash without touching dns
<Niklas[m]>
So no other nodes could serve the request?
<kallisti5[m]>
pretty much, my node updates what /ipns/k51qzi5uqu5dgnsdtttsbgsu7rbpky52k7lwi55mk8eywf2o0ds749syqiq6g9 points to since it controls that purely within ipfs
<kallisti5[m]>
correct
<kallisti5[m]>
i'm going to open a bug now... seems like a big failure of ipfs
<nephele>
Ah, that is a bit single point of failureish indeed... but then your server updating the dns record would be too... just with more delay
<Niklas[m]>
Yes,absolutely
<kallisti5[m]>
yup. the alternative is I update the DNS record from my ipfs node
<kallisti5[m]>
... that's just annoying to automate
<nephele>
you'd need a small time to live then, or else we get even more problems duo to dns propagation
<nephele>
not sure if there is anything to be gained by updating it via dns directly
<kallisti5[m]>
it would skip the resolution on "just my node"
<Niklas[m]>
But if your node stays off long enough,the DNS record will become outdates as the current CID changes.That's still a single point of failure
<kallisti5[m]>
the node is what updates the CID data
<Niklas[m]>
Well,then that could work
<kallisti5[m]>
so it hosts the "core" ipfs pin, and publishes updates to /ipns/k51qzi5uqu5dgnsdtttsbg... to point to the latest CID with the latest repos
<nephele>
Well, if the node goes down the repos still cannot be updated anymore, but the current version would stay available from mirrors untill it goes back
<nephele>
the downside is the DNS time to live might make it a bit longer to get the newer CID
<Niklas[m]>
The current version staying online is an improvement already,for example when someone hasn't checked for updates for a long time (so that the stuff from the outdated repo is still a update) or if someone wants to install a new package that has been around for longer
<Schreibhecht>
This is exactly the printing at boot
<Schreibhecht>
what can i do?
<Schreibhecht>
it is a tera HD
<Diver>
are you sure you're not using UEFI? because I see two issues in Haiku Trac (one of them reported by me) and both are related to haiku_loader.efi