<B2IA>
(AGMS) Yes, there is an nginx web server for Haiku! Though having a package isn't too useful since you usually have to compile it yourself to get the feature set you want.
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<HaikuUser2>
Moin
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<waddlesplash>
AGMS, we should probably patch the package then :)
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<B2IA>
(AGMS) waddlesplash, the nginx package defaults are probably good enough for most people; I like to remove unused features to make it more secure.
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<beaglejoe>
Hi all, I'm looking for command line command to change the current workspace.
<augiedoggie>
the Workspaces app can take command line options
<augiedoggie>
like 'Workspaces 0' or 'Workspaces 4', etc...
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<beaglejoe>
augiedoggie: Thanks, works like a champ!
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<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://git.io/JDItJ
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] nielx 281d8cc - Rust: update to 1.57.0 (#6466)
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<andreasdr>
Good morning
<Anarchos>
hello andreasdr
<andreasdr>
Hi there. How is it going?
<tar[m]>
i'm absolutely not familiar with haiku packaging, but was wondering if anyone would be interested in packaging this:
<tar[m]>
macOS brew, debian, freebsd already have packages, just not officially in the archive yet
<andreasdr>
Nice.
<andreasdr>
Unfortunatly I have no idea yet about packaging in Haiku. Sure devs can help out.
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<Anarchos>
andreasdr: packaging is done through the tool haikuporter, and you must write a file "package.recipe" to tell haikuporter where to find the sources, and which patches to apply to it.
<andreasdr>
Nice.
<andreasdr>
If we have 3d Ill like also do some patches to packages or something. Actually when I use haiku I see lots of stuff that can be done. But this is OK for a "new" Operating System. <3
<andreasdr>
Lets see :DDD
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<x512[m]>
Window size is wrong because of incomplete WSI add-on.
<andreasdr>
<3 Super nice. Ok. In newer versions you would see the Grapics Card vendor and renderer in About popup. But no worries. Nice!!! <3
<andreasdr>
Vulkan only would show "Vulkan Vendor" + "Vulkan Renderer". Its unfinished but works for GL.
<andreasdr>
<3 <3 <3
<x512[m]>
Any sample projects exist?
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<Udi>
Gave up on running Haiku on metal for lack of support for WiFi. Finding that running it in Virtualbox on Mac at full screen works pretty well for me
<Udi>
Running the Nightly 64bit
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<Udi>
return0e[m] can you help with nodejs and npm?
<andreasdr>
x512[m]: We have a game developed. Its closed source. Let me think.
<andreasdr>
I can provide a binary build for sure, after I did some adjustments to VK.
<andreasdr>
x512[m]: You can use "File/Open" and just click apply, this will open TDME2 as project itself, then click on resources in Folder browser. You can browse then and find some assets to try also the Environment Mapping scene. But I guess with 512 descriptors it will just crash. Ill fix this and let you know.
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<julicenri>
tar[m]: You can start learning how to make packages for HaikuPorts by reading the wiki.
<Guest7731>
Spent the past two hours developing this slightly improved version of the AboutSystem window for more clarity. Thoughts?
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<waddlesplash>
I still think it's best as-is
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<Guest7731>
why?
<waddlesplash>
for all the reasons PulkoMandy outlined on the forums
<BrunoSpr>
hello all... what is the dbus-daemon actually for? Is it only for Falkon use?
<Guest7731>
this change was actually directly based on top of the feedback that he gave me o_o
<waddlesplash>
maybe if you want to make the sections inside the list collapsable
<waddlesplash>
but a tab seems too 'noisy'
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<Guest7731>
but as i said on there as well;
<Guest7731>
a) it is supposed to be noisy, it's a document consisting of thousands of lines with different material and different sections
<Guest7731>
b) as humdinger and bitigchi also brought up, 1) no other app does the collapsable list, 2) this may work badly with names that already barely fit in the list
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<waddlesplash>
no, not a tree
<waddlesplash>
I mean +/- expanding sections, an only have 2-3 sections that do that
<waddlesplash>
like on websites, "accordion panels"
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<Guest7731>
... is repurposing a text box into serving the function of a button really a good idea
<Guest7731>
?
<Guest7731>
i did spend a lot of time looking at this and comparing with what other projects do, e.g. AOSP/LineageOS, macOS, and there is a distinction between crediting contributors and software dependencies
<Guest7731>
lineage, for instance, has this cute big mosaic that you can zoom in and out of, and of course, a different section for the copyright legalese
<Guest7731>
i'm currently trying to translate that in a way that adheres to the HIG ("Good Software Uses Graphical Controls Properly")
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<Guest7731>
i am not sure if people generally don't see the clutter in that document as a result of being conditioned to ignore it, the same way you'd basically ignore a ToS document
<Guest7731>
but i see a lot of clutter/noise in there
<humdinger>
Personally, I don't see much wrong with the current AboutWindow. If the long lists of names can be hidden behind an expando widget, fine. But it's no biggie either way for me.
<Guest7731>
there's more things under the names though
<humdinger>
Better to add some useful feature. How about a live syslog view?
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<Guest7731>
... that's definitely a very good idea
<Guest7731>
okay wow
<Guest7731>
problem is that i can definitely only see that working out with a tab system, or at the very least, both dropdown/expanding sections and tabs
<Guest7731>
but this makes the interface much more cluttered than it has to be...
<humdinger>
Or just a button "Show syslog" that turns to "Show credits" when the left view switches
<humdinger>
(button on the left side)
<humdinger>
(...right view switches")
<humdinger>
I confused left and right :)
<humdinger>
As PulkoMandy said, the credit/copyright view is more like a movie credits thing. Nobody really "uses" it for anything. Just to scroll down to see how many hundred people were involved.
<humdinger>
There was at one time an enhancement for an easter egg to autoscroll the view after 5 clicks on the Haiku logo :)
<Guest7731>
humdinger: that has not worked in a long time, right?
<humdinger>
yes. I think it was either removed or was a BeOS thing that wasnÄt implenmented(?)
<Guest7731>
right now, the only easter egg is a call to the application that uses the `PrintRandomHaiku()` function
<humdinger>
how's that egg triggered?
<Guest7731>
not sure if you can even trigger it within the app itself
<humdinger>
ah
* humdinger
misses his name in the contrbuter list :)
<Guest7731>
there's not just names over there though, i think it'd be pretty interesting if the "hey, we are using X, Y, Z" was accessible to the user as well
<BrunoSpr>
It is only a "About Window", it it nice the way it is...
<Guest7731>
how does what i propose, say, for the sake of it, fulfills the same purpose in an inferior manner?
<Guest7731>
why is it nice?
<humdinger>
How about renaming your tabs to "Credits", "Copyrights", "Syslog"?
<Guest7731>
good idea
<humdinger>
I misunderstood your "3rd-Party" as to be of any installed 3rd party app
<humdinger>
If the syslog function were added, the tab solution does make sense.
<humdinger>
And I wouldn't worry about expanding names lists etc.
<Guest7731>
I've obviously not implemented the Syslog functionality yet, but I'm seriously starting to get very comfortable with this a lot.
<humdinger>
long lists of names are more impressive anyway :)
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<Guest7731>
True
<Guest7731>
It did feel like the fact that there was a long list of libraries just completely kills off the "wow" that one would get after seeing how many people have worked on Haiku
<Guest7731>
like "gooooood this list is so long. oh, there's a lot of libraries, that's why"
<humdinger>
yes. but most people disn't make it down there anyway :)
<humdinger>
You do keep the Haiku logo though, right?
<Guest7731>
i'm not sure if there's anything wrong with me, but i sometimes love just scrolling back and forth on various things out of boredom
<Guest7731>
yeah, i didn't remove it on purpose, it should still be there on official builds
<humdinger>
heh
<humdinger>
ok
<Guest7731>
if i set the flag, it should appear there again
<Guest7731>
what should the syslog tab actually do?
<humdinger>
IMO show the syslog and add new entries live.
<humdinger>
bonus points for a context menu with "Open in Tracker" to show /var/logs/
<humdinger>
should syslog.old be merged?
<Guest7731>
i have an idea (importing it with gray letters) to show that it is old), but that's for another time
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<humdinger>
Just don't overengineer :)
<humdinger>
I think the main use is to see new entries live there and maybe copy&paste some lines.
<humdinger>
For other rhings (search etc.) better to open in an editor (or log-viewer)
<humdinger>
therefore the easy way to open its location.
<Guest7731>
is there an example of another application that does something like this? could use some pointer to speed it up without doing that in a non-haiku-ish way
<humdinger>
I dunno.
<humdinger>
There is /haiku/headers/private/syslog_daemon/syslog_daemon.h
<humdinger>
might offer something more than node monitoring the syslog and doing things manually.
<humdinger>
just a guess, I gaven't looked really
<x86corez>
Hello there 👋 We're having pretty interesting discussion in the ReactOS main channel now, the subject is:
<x86corez>
> **What can we do to have the same development speed as our fellow project?**
<x86corez>
Yes, we're discussing right now what we can do to extend on par with Haiku :) Discusso is [started here](https://matrix.to/#/!wKDHBrvNWQXtQzmQZx:reactos.org/$Hv8YHmAWiBJ0hw_QoA-B-d0v1tCHxv2gs-wVko-xKGg?via=reactos.org&via=matrix.org&via=kde.org) in #talk:reactos.org Matrix channel
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<Guest7731>
TIL ReactOS is older than Haiku
<x512[m]>
And still totally unusable. It very often crash in a hour of operation trashing file system and/or registry so it become unbootable.
<x512[m]>
I know no people that actually use ReactOS.
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<Guest7731>
Can't seem to be able to join the room :/
<x86corez>
Guest7731: the room shows you joined 🤔
<Guest7731>
Rude
<Guest7731>
jk
<Guest7731>
Is it possible to kick me and then have me try to rejoin or something?
<x86corez>
I don't think it will help, you are from different matrix server, the sync takes some time
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<Guest7731>
Please do so
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<Guest7731>
Oh, I seem to be in now
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<Guest7731>
quick question: is porting LWJGL a valid project for the next GSoC?
<andreasdr>
I think ReactOS is interesting for me/us later to have Windows build environments without needing to buy Windows licenses (if thats allowed at all)
<andreasdr>
If it has 3d drivers it could be used also for gaming or something to replace MS windows.
<andreasdr>
But I also think it takes some more years to be that far.
<andreasdr>
I know intel 3d drivers are working already but not NVIDIA or AMD
* humdinger
is idle: BRB
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<andreasdr>
Performance tests could be interesting regarding ReactOS vs Windows.
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<andreasdr>
Or did somebody do performance tests already. Maybe I should google that.
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<andreasdr>
Hi I have a short question.
<andreasdr>
Why cant we click in forum on images to have them in original size. Its a bit annoying if you want to exactly see a screenshot or something.
<andreasdr>
Just asking :)
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<extravert34[m]>
Hey!
* humdinger
has returned
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<Guest7731>
Hello, extravert34!
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<Guest7731>
I have a tab and, in that tab, there are multiple different views. I need to keep track of the active one. Is a pointer whose address changes depending on which view is active (by re-initializing it everytime a _CreateXView(); function is invoked) a good idea?
<Guest7731>
In other words, is the view generated from scratch every time a tab is opened, or is it stored in memory?
<Guest7731>
I suspect that the latter is the case
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<AlwaysLivid>
idea that came up as a result of our diplomatic talks with reactos: quake tournament
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<andreasdr>
AlwaysLivid: How do you mean that?
<AlwaysLivid>
haiku contributors, reactos contributors, one virtual arena
<AlwaysLivid>
i brought it up as an alternative to a real-life boxing match, which i also happened to bring up
<andreasdr>
So you did have some trouble with each other?
<AlwaysLivid>
we could ask the serenity people too
<x512[m]>
andreasdr: I think no.
<andreasdr>
Ok. Thanks.
<AlwaysLivid>
i just said that as a reaction to a very minor disagreement over win32k.sys
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<andreasdr>
Ok. I still do not know in which regard HaikuOS and ReactOS can collaborate? I am confused. But its late. Evening. Having a cold nice beer. :D
<AlwaysLivid>
figuring out who is the best at quake, andreasdr
<andreasdr>
Really? LOL.
<AlwaysLivid>
we gotta do this
<AlwaysLivid>
come on lemme see some hype up!!!!
<andreasdr>
:D
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<jmairboeck>
Today I tried running my "portable" Haiku installation (that is a hard-disk on a USB-SATA Adapter which was before in my old ASUS laptop) in Hyper-V on Windows 10. It worked remarkably well, but I noticed a few problems.
<jmairboeck>
Text mode is broken, so the boot menu is unreadable (just displays garbage instead of text)
<jmairboeck>
To get usable network, the "legacy" network adapter has to be used. The newer one isn't even listed in listdev.
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<jmairboeck>
and probably the biggest problem: it booted in VESA mode (as expected) with 1600x1200, 16 bit color mode, but changing the screen mode is not possible. It failed with "General system error". Should I create a ticket for that one?
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<Cian>
yes
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<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://git.io/JDto8
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<waddlesplash>
aw, it doesn't work
<waddlesplash>
sad
<waddlesplash>
oh wait maybe it did
<waddlesplash>
eh, still too dangerous
<mmu_man>
plop
<Guest7731>
i love trying out extremely cursed stuff that doesn't work in haiku and then realizing that there's already something in the API that does exactly what i need it to
<Guest7731>
such a complete API
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<Anarchos>
waddlesplash what an ugly macro :)
<waddlesplash>
yes
<waddlesplash>
Guest7731: well this is extremely cursed because it's Xlib
<Anarchos>
waddlesplash i always think that inventors of macro in C should be headshot...
<waddlesplash>
but I found a somewhat less cursed way to do what I need ... for now ...
<Anarchos>
waddlesplash a good language should not need macro
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<Anarchos>
mmu_man salut
<mmu_man>
hello
<Guest7731>
heyo
<Anarchos>
mmu_man how goes ?
<Anarchos>
Guest7731 hello
* mmu_man
packing for the week-end
<mmu_man>
retrocomputing stuff :)
<Anarchos>
mmu_man i sill must plug my nes :)
<Cian>
how retro?
<Cian>
I consider my mouldering BeOS gear to be retrocomputing now, cause its as old now as 2600s and ZX80s etc were when they were new
<Cian>
I've a November 2000 laptop and a ~1998 PowerMac. The former is easily five times faster or more than the latter; amazing what two years could do.
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<AlienSoldier>
i used to have videogame backlog, now i have general electronic equipment backlog, so pretty much all is retro for me
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<Anarchos>
Cian i am currently using my cheap low price laptop toshiba from 2011. Maybe a bit slow to compile., but it suffices to me
<Cian>
Anarchos with sufficient RAM and solid state storage, most kit from 2009+ is still performant enough for modern computing.
<Cian>
which is really not a good thing if you're trying to sell processors. Except in a processor shortage
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<Cian>
I'm only throwing out 2009 era HP xw4600 workstations in work because I have piles of much newer kit as spares. SSD and 8GB RAM and they run Win10 perfectly.
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<Cian>
also quite nice Haiku machines, they're just Very Very Very Large
<Cian>
I have a t
<Cian>
dangerously high stack of 2015+ Core i5 desktops that'll do the same job but faster and in less space instead