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<waddlesplash> I has xclock
<waddlesplash> (this is a surprisingly large achievement, xclock actually needs libXaw, libXt, libXmu, and libXpm, all of which have nontrivial usages of libX11)
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<M3dEyes[m]> I also build xclock yesterday with bexlib, but I have artifacts at the arrows
<waddlesplash> M3dEyes[m]: how'd you build a xclock with bexlib yesterday?? I added dozens of new functions today that were absolutely necessary
<waddlesplash> and yes, I see the artifacts, they're quite easily reproducible
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<waddlesplash> I suspect the artifacts may be due to antialiasing
<waddlesplash> M3dEyes[m]: anyway, I'm still curious how you managed to build it yesterday, without all the stuff I just pushed :-p
<M3dEyes[m]> > 3dEyes: how'd you build a xclock with bexlib yesterday?? I added dozens of new functions today that were absolutely necessary
<M3dEyes[m]> My time zone is GMT+10, for me yesterday, and for you it's still today )
<waddlesplash> no, I mean that you need all the stuff I pushed literally 5 minutes ago :)
<M3dEyes[m]> hm
<waddlesplash> or else libXaw and libXt simply won't start due to lots of missing symbols
<waddlesplash> or the application will crash on startup due to missing Xresource
<waddlesplash> I guess if you used a "real" libX11 for the missing functions then maybe it would somehow have worked?? but that sounds very hacky and crash-prone, it shouldn't have worked at all :-p
<M3dEyes[m]> I put it together without much trouble when there was a last commit about "Color management improvements." True, I commented out a couple of lines to build it, that's true.
<waddlesplash> ah, ok
<waddlesplash> well, the commits I just pushed mean no more commenting things otu
<M3dEyes[m]> Great, thank you.
<M3dEyes[m]> Now I have to try to build motif
<waddlesplash> oh no
<waddlesplash> well, let me know how it goes, I guess
<waddlesplash> M3dEyes[m]: when you have a chance, can you take a look at https://github.com/threedeyes/qthaikuplugins/issues/23
<waddlesplash> it's kind of annoying to have to restart Qt Creator every few hours :)
<M3dEyes[m]> I want to run xephem.
<waddlesplash> xephem needs motif? ouch
<waddlesplash> I'm going to push some things to HaikuPorts in preparation for BeXlib
<waddlesplash> BeXlib itself isn't ready yet, but we can start by consolidating libX11 and libXext and such libraries into one package, and leave libXt,libXaw,libXpm,etc. independently
<waddlesplash> because BeXlib just replaces libX11,libXext,etc. and we can use the existing versions of libXt
<M3dEyes[m]> i know about this bug in qpa plugin
<M3dEyes[m]> I built the latest QtCreator, and this deadlock happens all the time.
<waddlesplash> ah
<waddlesplash> it's probably just windows failing to delete
<waddlesplash> maybe some missing WA_DeleteOnClose, or something like that
<waddlesplash> or somehow window deletion does not delete the BWindow
<M3dEyes[m]> Yes, I think so too.
<waddlesplash> M3dEyes[m]: btw I have CairoX11 building and working here
<waddlesplash> I'm not going to try GTK just yet, too much stuff still missing
<waddlesplash> but, it's on the map
<M3dEyes[m]> cool
<M3dEyes[m]> gtk2 or gtk3?
<waddlesplash> I don't know, depends how adventurous I'm feeling :p
<M3dEyes[m]> The main thing is to not depend on xcb
<waddlesplash> also Xnest, the X11 server built to run on top of libX11
<waddlesplash> gtk doesn't use xcb, afaik, so we are good there
<M3dEyes[m]> If we solve the problem with the registers for TLS, it will be possible to build wine with x11 backend
<waddlesplash> yes
<waddlesplash> I'm aware of that too :)
<M3dEyes[m]> I don't really need wine, but it would be interesting to try to do
<waddlesplash> M3dEyes[m]: I think the artifacts are just due to antialiasing unfortunately
<waddlesplash> not a lot we can do about that. Xclock expects that drawing a while polygon on top of a black one will fully erase the black one
<waddlesplash> which it doesn't on Haiku due to how we implement antialiasing
<waddlesplash> the nasty artifacts on window resize though were an easy to fix bug. I just set B_FULL_UPDATE_ON_RESIZE, done
<M3dEyes[m]> Yes, this is obviously true, it's just a silly approach in the program itself when redrawing the dial.
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<beaglejoe> M3dEyes[m]: Have you seen https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/6457
<M3dEyes[m]> beaglejoe: not yet, I'll try to see it tonight.
<beaglejoe> M3dEyes[m]: Thanks, let me know, if you want I can try to re-apply the remaining patche(s) but I'm not sure how to credit the real authors
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] korli pushed 1 commit to master [hrev55726] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=d057f0aedd2d+%5E3896dbcb1df2
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] d057f0aedd2d - lgtm.yml: disable Wformat-diag when building gcc
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<Anarchos> hello M3dEyes[m]
<Anarchos> hello mmu_man
<Anarchos> M3dEyes[m] where can i find your gtk port ?
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<HaikuUser> howdy
<Anarchos> HaikuUser hello
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<Anarchos> M3dEyes[m] are you 3deyes ?
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<jt15s[m]> Can someone ban the user parafoll please?
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<rennj> more like ban *!*@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
<rennj> tor connections..anonymous irc
<rennj> irc client --->privoxy/socks5 --->tor anyone can do
<Anarchos> as we have java, is eclipse runnable in haiku ?
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<Anarchos> nephele i forgot one header, it has been pushed this morning.
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] tqh pushed 1 commit to master [hrev55727] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=a857758352c4+%5Ed057f0aedd2d
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] a857758352c4 - boot/efi/x86: fix address for arch args
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<roiredX> good day
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<roiredX> the path /boot/system/include is not native on haiku?
<roiredX> i mean, it's not there
<roiredX> but compilers identify it as /boot/system/develop/headers?
<x512[m]> Anarchos: Netbeans is working.
<x512[m]> Eclipse is not native Java application and it use OS-specific API. I haven't heard attempts of porting Eclipse to Haiku.
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<andreasdr> Eclipse is a JAVA app but uses SWT for UI which is connected to native OS APIs. On X11 systems it uses GTK2 I think.
<andreasdr> I use Eclipse. It has great features like code refactoring and such for lots of languages.
<andreasdr> Including C++.
<andreasdr> Best IDE around I think.
<andreasdr> Would be great to have it on Haiku.
<andreasdr> Good morning there.
<x512[m]> I don't like when IDE is typing something instead of me. And there are no single place to turn that all off.
<andreasdr> What do you exactly mean Sir?
<x512[m]> Type "(" and IDE insert garbage.
<andreasdr> In eclipse?
<andreasdr> Let me check.
<x512[m]> Yes.
<x512[m]> It tries to fill function argument with some random things. At least for Java.
<x512[m]> Also it automatically tries to insert closing ), " that is annoying.
<andreasdr> Ok. Damn. Seems like I got used to it.
<x512[m]> When typing dot, it sometimes delete identifier.
<andreasdr> Actually I cant reproduce both behaviours here or I am stupid.
<andreasdr> Strange
<andreasdr> Are you sure you are in C++ mode?
<andreasdr> And having installed correct plugins and such?
<x512[m]> This is for Java and default settings.
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<andreasdr> Maybe some weird default settings from your port systems. I use C++ only in Eclipse for years now, so cant tell about JAVA.
<andreasdr> Which OS do you actually use usually If I may ask? For Dev I use 60% FreeBSD, 20% MacOSX and 20% Windows.
<x512[m]> Haiku for writing code for Haiku, Windows on tablet and Linux a little.
<x512[m]> This is about home computers, not work.
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<andreasdr> For work I use MacOSX + Windows. Usally only MacOSX, but some update broke usage with my non-Mac monitor.
<andreasdr> Thinking of getting a M1. The power consumption + performance seems super interesting.
<andreasdr> I am looking forward to switch to Haiku once we have hw 3d. <3
<andreasdr> At least for my engine+gamedev stuff. Lets see.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] tqh pushed 1 commit to master [hrev55728] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=d223f9d9c296+%5Ea857758352c4
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] d223f9d9c296 - boot/efi/serial: fix legacy mode for x86
<andreasdr> Recently I tried Debian + KDE. This was a slow experience. Sometimes I use XUbuntu. I am XFCE4 fan.
<andreasdr> One of the best things invented is Valgrind. Works best on Linux. From time to time I chase illegal memory access bugs with it or multithreading issues.
<andreasdr> :x
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/JD0QD
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes dd4f4fb - QtHaikuPlugins: bump version
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<M3dEyes[m]> waddlesplash: i fixed https://github.com/threedeyes/qthaikuplugins/issues/23 and qthaikuplugins updated in repo, check it, please
<andreasdr> Cool. QtCreator looks most promising currently on Haiku as IDE.
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<x512[m]> I mostly use Pe.
<andreasdr> Pe is cool too.
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<M3dEyes[m]> I also use Pe + Terminal only. i don't like autocomplete and context helpers. I prefer to just look into the header files instead
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<andreasdr> I see. Do we have a muscle icon here? :D
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<Anarchos> hello
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<andreasdr> Hi
<Anarchos> andreasdr hi
<andreasdr> Hi Anarchos
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<roiredX> good day
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<andreasdr> Hi
<jadedctrl> andreasdr: hiya
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<andreasdr> Hi jadedctr
<andreasdr> l
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<Dhruvagole[m]> Hello
<Dhruvagole[m]> I am interested in the project listed here: https://www.haiku-os.org/community/gsoc/2022/ideas
<Dhruvagole[m]> Titled as USB Support for FreeBSD network compatibility layer.
<andreasdr> Nice!
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<Dhruvagole[m]> I have been a GSoC Participant with BealgeBoard.org this year.
<Dhruvagole[m]> Can someone help me reach out to the project mentors, mentioned there as waddlesplash and @korli ?
<Dhruvagole[m]> I had a few basic questions as it being driver development, will it be on real hardware, and if yes then which hardware device can we develop on?
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<andreasdr> Maybe subscribe to haiku-dev mailing list and ask your questions there.
<andreasdr> Also usually devs are here.
<Dhruvagole[m]> okay will do.
<andreasdr> Cool.
<Dhruvagole[m]> I am trying to create an account on dev.haiku-os.org
<Dhruvagole[m]> But I keep getting Are you human then try harder.
<Dhruvagole[m]> is the answer to this question something else?
<Niklas[m]> I think it's case-sensitive (Haiku not haiku)
<Dhruvagole[m]> thanks Niklas that did the trick.
<Dhruvagole[m]> thanks andreasdr I am now subscribed to the mailing list. Going through the mailing list etiquette :)
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<andreasdr> No worries Sir. :)
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<Dhruvagole[m]> I was just checking out https://www.haiku-os.org/guides/building/port_status/
<Dhruvagole[m]> I would also like to contribute to RPi 4 port
<Dhruvagole[m]> However I could not find suitable links for the exact status and ongoing development
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] tqh pushed 1 commit to master [hrev55729] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=1f6e2499db7e+%5Ed223f9d9c296
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 1f6e2499db7e - ldscripts/x86: add ldscript for EFI loader
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] tqh pushed 1 commit to master [hrev55730] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=20efe26dfa88+%5E1f6e2499db7e
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 20efe26dfa88 - boot/efi/arm: fix printout of kernel entry address on startup
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] tqh pushed 1 commit to master [hrev55731] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=1a7afaa45bc2+%5E20efe26dfa88
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 1a7afaa45bc2 - boot/efi: fix for garbled first item returned by mmu_next_region()
<Vidrep_64> Hi
<Vidrep_64> Is it my imagination, or is Haiku development busier now than it has been in years
<Niklas[m]> I have the same feeling.
<Niklas[m]> Many big things which have been requested by users for years come true in a very short interval now.
<Vidrep_64> It could also be because waddlesplash is working on Haiku as a full time developer, plus we've had significant contributions from rudolfc, x512, and others
<waddlesplash> :)
<waddlesplash> more's in the pipe...
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<Vidrep_64> I remember a similar surge of activity during the time PulkoMandy was working on contract to upgrade HaikuWebKit\
<Vidrep_64> That work took him into all sorts of other areas
<waddlesplash> yeah, something similar definitely happening here
<waddlesplash> except I'm already in "all sorts of areas" _p
<waddlesplash> :-p
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<waddlesplash> I fixed an app_server crash a few days ago due to this Xlib work
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] tqh pushed 1 commit to master [hrev55732] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=f0adfe2a5426+%5E1a7afaa45bc2
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] f0adfe2a5426 - boot/efi: fix dummy reloc for x86
<Vidrep_64> I really can't remember the last time I had a KDL. There have been the occasional application crashes, but that's something else altogether
<waddlesplash> well, you got lucky then
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<waddlesplash> I made some bad changes last week that caused a lot of KDLs
<waddlesplash> all resolved now, but it was annoying for a few days
<waddlesplash> they were continuable KDLs however, so not that bad
<Niklas[m]> I haven't had a KDL since I don't use a AMD CPU anymore lol
<Vidrep_64> It didn't affect me, so I guess I was lucky
<waddlesplash> well, I guess there's one left, I need to follow up with jmairboeck
<waddlesplash> Niklas[m]: AMD Bulldozer? yeah, not fun
<waddlesplash> Ryzen's very solid though
<Niklas[m]> AMD A4 or A6 or something like that if I remember right
<waddlesplash> yeah, I think that's Bulldozer
<waddlesplash> we still have an open ticket about it
<waddlesplash> nobody understands what's going on there
<Niklas[m]> It always crashed under high load.Now I have OpenIndiana on that machine which runs quite good and Haiku runs on a Intel i7 where it never crashed so far.
<waddlesplash> yep, that's https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/14082
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<Vidrep_64> waddlesplash, I recall that you were involved in the rewrite of BurnItNow a few years ago (correct?)
<Vidrep_64> waddlesplash (roll eyes) LOL
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<Vidrep_64> There's something wrong with the code in CompilationCloneView.cpp. L#448 files.Append("/*.wav"); always treats the append as a directory and not as files within the directory
<Vidrep_64> I'm hoping "someone" can have a look and maybe find what's really happening
<Vidrep_64> I'll create an issue on HaikuArchives to explain what i found during hours of fiddling with code and testing on my optical driive
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<Anarchos> hello
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<Anarchos> strange, i did a pkgman update, and it updates my revision without asking to reboot ?
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-23/±1] https://git.io/JDEh0
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash 3978d73 - Delete all x11-proto recipes that are now part of xorgproto.
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash 5eeb385 - xorgproto: Specify REPLACES and bump revision.
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±12] https://git.io/JDuvU
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] waddlesplash 887f534 - x11-libs: Mark libraries that actually utilize the X connection directly.
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