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<Schreibhecht> i can not kill the Partition. But i have the Partition format on the Stick and install again.
<Schreibhecht> Now the Computer bootet from the big Partition without Stick :-))
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/JyZ7o
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 922a820 - fHeroes2: bump version
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<Yonle> so i haikudepot, i found b43-fwcutter
<Yonle> in*
<Yonle> By the way, I'm gonna grab the b43 firmware download files URL from debian
<Yonle> and then extract it and trying my luck
<Yonle> I'm on debian right now, Preparing hpkgs for hardware thingy, Like speakers, Libusb, b43 firmwares, etx
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<Yonle> Huh, Haiku already support bwi ones
<Yonle> My Broadcom WLAN is BCM4311
<Yonle> I expect that it will work well, But i'll take a further look
<Yonle> I have a working b43 firmware, Hm, I think i'll put the extracted ones to /system/lib/firmware, i guess
<Yonle> i mean i have a working b43 firmware files.
<Yonle> Ah! Darn it dd! My BeOS filesystem is too small! Time to resize it!
<Yonle> Mind asking which path is a path where we put a extracted firmware files?
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<Yonle> Finally, I managed to get speaker working
<Yonle> Best luck in my life =)
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<Yonle> I found out that bwi is not available on /system/add-ons/kernel/drivers/network
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/Jyn1X
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 7ba75b1 - scummvm_tools, bump version (#6496)
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<nephele> yonle: we don't use the same driver names as FreeBSD deos
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<nephele> we have a script to download the firmware files we are not allowed to ship
<Yonle> nephele, Mind asking the script link?
<Begasus_32> install-wifi-firmwares.sh ?
<Yonle> hmmmam
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<nephele> Yes, what begasus sais
<nephele> It doesn't only download the broadcom ones, but it will make a proper package and put it where it has to be :)
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<Yonle> That's good to know nephele
<Yonle> By the way, Since i can't get internet via usb working on haiku os, I'm gonna modify the code a bit so i can install BCM4311 driver in offline way
<Yonle> Since sypnatics touchpad is buggy right now, I do some unbelieveable trick
<Yonle> Two finger + Left right to move my cursor
<Yonle> It's damn complicated, But i don't mind.
<Begasus> ;)
<nephele> does your laptop have a trackpoint?
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<Yonle> nah
<Yonle> Asking about my laptop, It's Compaq Presario V3000
<nephele> Wow, that data sheet is actually filled with info! http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c01037981.pdf
* Yonle can't open the pdfsince 64 Kbps of FUP spike him
<nephele> aha
<nephele> >Synaptics PS/2 TouchPad
<nephele> IRQ12
<Yonle> Yep
<Yonle> That's my laptop touchpad
<Yonle> and again, I'm doing CTRL + ALT + DEL, and with my three finger just to control cursoe in order to open terminal
<nephele> That is why i asked about trackpoint before, iirc there was some configurations where trackpoint and touchpad are in some ring configuration with PS2
<nephele> can you open preferences/Input?
* Yonle prepares 3 fingers
<nephele> it should tell you atleast what class it thinks the device is
<Yonle> I se
<Yonle> see*
<Yonle> Time to prepare my three finger to open menu (XD)
<nephele> you dont need to use the mouse, menu key -> down to applications -> enter -> filter ahead typing in tracker -> enter
<nephele> menu key, as in the context menu key next to super
<nephele> (assuming your laptop has that :D)
<nephele> between alt and ctrl on your keyboard right of space, assuming this image is acurate
<Yonle> my laptop keyboard didn't have it
<Yonle> and yes nephele
<nephele> does it say ps2 touchpad or ps2 mouse?
<Yonle> i finally opened input program with my 3 fingers
<Yonle> It's loading
<Yonle> PS/2 Touchpad
<Yonle> it's kinda funny to see somebody use his three fingers just to control his cursor, Like me
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<nephele> on void linux i once had the touchpad work as a 1:1 input device :P
<Yonle> lul
<Yonle> I also opened ticket for my innocent touchpad: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/17501
<nephele> I know :)
<Yonle> hmmmmm
<nephele> You can enable tracing here
<nephele> as for the logs, termbin links expire after a month or so iirc, it's nice to add the stuff as attachments directly, or to copy it. Though that is probably harder without a mouse :P
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<Yonle> so...
<Yonle> i just put the code to /system without compiling?
<nephele> nope, how do you expect that to work? :D
<Yonle> Of course, Compile time
<nephele> most of /system is read only also
<Yonle> Cool code, our code
<Yonle> time to compile
<nephele> well, it's C++, and the way this trace is build it will not switch at runtime :)
<Yonle> No build base
<Yonle> fine
<Begasus> trying to build emacs 27.2 but getting an error (operation not allowed) ...
<Yonle> i will download the build base later
<nephele> you can cross compile from linux aswell
<Yonle> Only if i have cc installed
<Yonle> :p
<Yonle> The worst part is that i'm not flashing haiku with etcher, using dd, which caused it only gives small space to life
<Yonle> :(
<Yonle> i'm gonna install haiku once everything is prepared
<Begasus> you could encrease the base install size iirc
<Yonle> anyways time to focus on b43
<Yonle> By the way i already have a extracted firmware files of b43 driver
<Yonle> So where shall i put those files?
<nephele> dunno, the script mentioned above will create the package and you can "just" install it
<nephele> maybe i can figure it out though
<Yonle> hmmm
<Yonle> well
<Yonle> yes i see it
<Begasus> maybe you could try putting them in "/boot/home/config/non-packaged/data/firmware/broadcom43xx" ?
<nephele> yes, but it uses a "cutter" tool to split the firmware
<nephele> and then rename it
<Yonle> Hmmmm
<nephele> so just using whatever debian named them is probably not sufficient
<Begasus> they are installed in "/boot/system/data/firmware/..." here
<Yonle> so it's on /data/firmware?
<Yonle> i mean, /system/data/firmware
<nephele> yeah, but you can't copy to there.
* Yonle enters into root
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<Yonle> Allow me to modify system
<nephele> You cannot copy to there, it is immutable. you have to create a package to install it :)
<nephele> or use the non-packaged heirarcy
<nephele> the tool: https://bues.ch/b43/fwcutter/
<Yonle> Yes fwcutter
<Yonle> also i know how the file works now
<Yonle> let me compare in debian ones....
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* Yonle reads the file
<Yonle> so i see the difference
<Yonle> Since i had no b43 firmware installed on haiku, Let me just say this.
<Yonle> The filename is same, Just the file extension must be `.ucode`
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<roiredX> good day
<Yonle> Hehe!
<nephele> >sed "s/\(.*\)\.fw$/bwi_v3_\1/g")
<Begasus> roiredX, !
<nephele> from the cutandinstall part
<roiredX> hi there Begasus
<Yonle> Yep
<Begasus> so how's CudaText comming along?
<roiredX> right now I'm studing about chroot
<roiredX> doing research
<Begasus> I'm waiting on you to see if we would launch something on haikuports :)
<roiredX> to see if I can set a "dev environment"
<roiredX> Xd
<roiredX> that would be nice, indeed
<Yonle> got it nephele
<roiredX> I need to figure out the "dev env" stuff asap
<Begasus> why a "dev environment"? Haiku should have all tools available
<roiredX> yes... I'm picky.. I want my Haiku clean, and some environment where I can mess things up without touching my Haiku
<roiredX> so PulkoMandy talked about chroot a while ago
<roiredX> I'm doing some research on how it works and try to test it
<Begasus> never went there myself :)
<roiredX> :D
<Yonle> oh no, Kernel went crashed :(
<Yonle> But fine!
<Yonle> Since i'm on usb, I just restart
<nephele> you mean kdl? that is still an interactive commandline :)
<Yonle> that happend when i tried to copy some file in once from my btrfs hdd
<roiredX> if I can get it working I can make an usb with an environment to move around
<nephele> well, would be nice to just take a photo and report it
<Yonle> Yep
<roiredX> nonetheless, you've made great progress with fcpupdeluxe, Lazarus and Cuda Begasus
<Begasus> actually fpcupdeluxe was an easy one, it's already been build, so it was just a matter of packaging roiredX
<Begasus> and the easiest way to get a fully working fpc/lazarus environment ;)
<roiredX> yes... I have it installed on the box at work to test Cuda, not here, therefore the need for a portable environment
<roiredX> i mean fcpupdeluxe
<roiredX> have to try to build Cuda there
<Begasus> you can use the script from cuda-up to build cuda, pulls in all dependencies needed to build it
<roiredX> that's new
<roiredX> I used to dl all dependencies
<roiredX> XD
<roiredX> WOW!
<Yonle> May i ask?
<Yonle> What's the password of root account?
<Begasus> so only one line in Terminal and you'll have a working binary ;)
<Begasus> just need to adjust the path to lazarus to your own "used" path
<roiredX> interesting.. definitely have to try that
<roiredX> see if doesn't crash
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/Jycs3
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 8687823 - alembic: bump version
<Begasus> had some freezes but it worked ok with the latest changes I checked :)
<Begasus> but then again, I didn't "really" stressed it :P
<roiredX> XD
<roiredX> well.. let's see what we can do about that
<roiredX> XD
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<Begasus> maybe some of the gsoc mentors can reply here? https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/how-can-i-join-the-communitys-gsoc-project/11719/3
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<Begasus> bbl
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<Yonle> hm
<Yonle> so i created the hpkg because there's no way to modify /system other than hpkg
<Yonle> And i put into /system/packages, then restarted
<Yonle> So far, I see there's no change at all.
<Yonle> the hpkg package is not installing. hm
<Diver> why did you need to restart?
<Diver> and what's inside of it
<nephele> yonle: why do you wish to know the root pw? it's unset by default
<nephele> >there's no way to modify /system other than hpkg
<Begasus> nephele, that's the first time I see someone that doesn't know what IRC is ;)
<nephele> that's not accurate, you can use non-packaged
<nephele> Begasus: it's not that uncommon, irc is dwindeling in users, most of the population never heard of it really
<Begasus> modern age :)
<Yonle> O
<nephele> and the more projects using discord or matrix the more it fades away, especially if you can "just" use one of those terrible bridges
<Begasus> guess we're getting old(er) ;)
<nephele> Yeah, I'm almost 23! :P
<Begasus> heh :P
<Yonle> feeling weird with the code tho
<Yonle> >touch bwi_v3_ucode
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<Begasus> nephele, think I'm getting a hang to it? https://github.com/riksweeney/edgar/pull/56/commits :)
<Begasus> bbl (again)
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<nephele> Begasus: of patching?
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JycwM
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys f795f27 - Pe: bump srcGitRev
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<countryboy> hello
<Yonle> hi countryboy
<countryboy> hi Yonle, and ...
<countryboy> merry christmas to everybody :)
<Yonle> Hehe, Merry christmas too
<Yonle> By the way, install-wifi-firmwares.sh is broken for BCM43XX installation
<countryboy> I hope for free computing where all operating systems can implement whatever they want
<countryboy> without distinction right or left or center ...
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<nephele> yonle: in what way?
<Yonle> ucode.
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<andreasdr> Hi
<Yonle> hello andreasdr
<andreasdr> Hi Yonle
<Yonle> anyways nephele, The installer create a empty file called "bwi_v3_ucode" that contain nothing
<Yonle> wonder if it has something to do with ucode?
<Yonle> My card is BCM4311
<nephele> Not sure, would be worth it to create a ticket for that. the script should make a package with the firmware contained in it
<nephele> (it doesn't do any heuristics, it just downloads and packages all wifi firmwares we arent allowed to distribute directly)
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<danboid> I can't seem to find the SDL2 dev package using pkgman
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<danboid> I can see _dev packages for some of the sdl modules but not the main SDL2 dev headers package
<danboid> Do I need to file this as a bug with haikuports?
<danboid> I'm running the latest amd64 nightly
<Diver> danboid: pkgman i libsdl2_devel
<Diver> do you not see it in HaikuDepot?
<danboid> I see why I couldn't find it now. HD -> Show -> enable 'Show develop pacakages'
<Diver> yes, often issue
<danboid> I'm benchmarking the latest nightly versus Ubuntu 21.10
<danboid> xz (de)compression, gcc and ffmpeg tests
<danboid> I don't suppose there is a command to download the source of haiku packages is there?
<danboid> for haikuports packages
<nephele> the _source packages are there, but they cant be installed directly iirc. you can still download them
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<danboid> nephele, How? In the case of milkytracker, `pkgman search` tells me there is a package called milkytracker_source but I cannot install it
<danboid> *** Failed to find a match for "milktracker_source": Name not found
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<danboid> "milkytracker_source" sorry - I typed that error out
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<danboid> nephele, can you instal that OK?
<nephele> I already said they cannot be installed
<danboid> Where or how do I download them?
<danboid> and why does pkgman list them if they can't be installed? Sounds like a bug to me
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<nephele> You can download the source packages directly from the mirror, not sure what the uri is though
<danboid> I need to work out the repo address for fetcvhing the source files with wget/curl then
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<Diver> danboid: do you want to build some package?
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<countryboy> hi Begasus
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<countryboy> freedom to choose !!! :)
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<danboid> diver, Yep
<Diver> which one?
<danboid> milkytracker
<Diver> and why binary package is not enough
<danboid> I want to build from source for 2 reasons:
<danboid> Three asctually
<danboid> I'm benchmarking gcc under H vs Ubuntu
<danboid> The official tarball fails to link
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<Begasus> hi danboid
<danboid> and the current amd64 milkytracker crashes wheb you launch it
<danboid> and64 package
<Begasus> saw your issue on milkytracker earlier
<danboid> Yeah
<Diver> you can build with haikuportr, by running "haikuporter -S -j1 --no-source-packages --get-dependencies milkytracker"
<danboid> You say it runs under 32 bit
<danboid> Someone made that comment
<Begasus> it doesn't crash on 32bit (gcc2) (gcc8 on 32bit did crash also)
<danboid> diver: OK thanks, I'll try that
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<danboid> diver, Is -j1 cores it will use?
<Begasus> if you only need the source you can run "haikuporter -b milkytracker" it fetches the source/unpacks but doesn't build it
<Diver> danboid: right
<danboid> Begasus, Yes thats better in this case
<Begasus> aplies the patchset also
<Begasus> nice, one patch less to tinker about: https://github.com/riksweeney/edgar/pull/56 :)
<danboid> Begasus, that haikuporter command doesn't work for me, Does it work for you?
<danboid> No such file or directory /boot/home/haikuports/packages
<danboid> Whats the init command?
<Diver> haikuporter -g
<Begasus> did you setup haikuporter/haikuports correctly, works here
<danboid> Its fetching the ports now
<danboid> Not used Haiku ib years
<Begasus> no problem, some of us are here for over 20 years ;)
<Diver> put an alias to ~/config/settings/profile
<Diver> alias hp='haikuporter -S -j1 --no-source-packages --get-dependencies'
<danboid> I've been using Linux since '96
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<Diver> running "hp milkytracker" is easier
<danboid> Pretty scary its 30 years of Linux now
<Begasus> started out with RH 5.1 about late nighties, went to SuSE, then came BeOS ;)
<Begasus> yeah diver got that also, so "hp -b milkytracker" works here also
<danboid> I want -j4 tho right, for my 4 core wunderbox?
<Diver> sure
<danboid> I'll be updating the ticket re my boot probs shortly
<Diver> or you can set it to 3 to let i core take care about the gui
<danboid> NO! :)
<Begasus> I still have -j8 (although the system only has 2 cores)
<danboid> No mercy for the GUI! It must suffer
<Diver> :)
<Begasus> heh
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<danboid> So whats likely to be first affordable riscv SBC that will get a Haiku port?
<Diver> ok, it seems milkytracker build is broken
<Diver> execution_defs.h: No such file or directory
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<danboid> diver, Ah! Thanks for trying
<danboid> diver, Do you know why thats missing now?
<Diver> nope
<Begasus> k, just checked a 64bit version, crashes here also
<Diver> /boot/system/develop/tools/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-haiku/11.2.0/include/c++/pstl/glue_algorithm_defs.h:15:10: fatal error: execution_defs.h: No such file or directory
<Begasus> diver, are you on 64bit?
<Diver> yes
<Diver> crashes here too
<Begasus> maybe the update on gcc trigered something here
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<Diver> ok, have an idea
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<Begasus> searching for defs.h doesn't reveal anyting there
<Diver> it's in gcc_syslibs_devel
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<Begasus> checking
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<Diver> interesting, the header is there in chroot but gcc doesn't see it for some reason
<Begasus> searching the system reveals "/boot/system/develop/headers/private/kernel/arch/sh4/" ?
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<Begasus_64> /boot/system/develop/tools/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-haiku/11.2.0/include/c++/pstl/glue_algorithm_defs.h:15:10: fatal error: execution_defs.h: No such file or directory
<Begasus> another header ...
<Begasus> also included in gcc_syslibs_devel
<Diver> building outside of chroot also doesn't work
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<Begasus> k, no ideas anymore for now :(
<Begasus> headers are there ...
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<Begasus> g'night peeps
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<LegendaryAmerican> where would you put the userspace soundfonts?
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<LegendaryAmerican> nm. got it.
<LegendaryAmerican> ~/config/non-packaged/data/synth/
<LegendaryAmerican> hold on lemme restart the system.. midi settings doesnt see the new soundfont
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<LegendaryAmerican> InternalMIDI doesnt see the other patch
<LegendaryAmerican> midi in preflet does.
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<LegendaryAmerican> midi is broken in 32 bit current haiku dev. patchbay sees nothing. InternalMIDI doesnt see other patches
<LegendaryAmerican> media preflet under Midi sees a second patch.
<LegendaryAmerican> wait a dang second.
<LegendaryAmerican> yeah. unplugged cable. midi works but not completly. InternalMidi doesnt see the user path for patches to select from
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<LegendaryAmerican> ok so built InternalMIDI. still doesnt see other sf paths.
<Diver> probably a bug then?
<LegendaryAmerican> find_directory(B_SYNTH_DIRECTORY, &fSynthDirectory ); fSynthDirectory.SetTo( fSynthDirectory.Path(), "synth" );
<LegendaryAmerican> possibly, midi in media prefs sees it. internalMIDI does not.
<LegendaryAmerican> Ill post in dev
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