<nephele[x]>
jt15s: seems you accidentally added a news entry about the samsung galaxy z fold to r1beta3 inthepress :)
<jt15s[m]>
nephele[x]: That's not a mistake
<jt15s[m]>
Haiku is included in that article
<jt15s[m]>
It's at the very bottom
<nephele[x]>
ah, i see, that's a bit unobvious
<jt15s[m]>
Unfortunately the title only talks about the Samsung Galaxy Z Fold
<nephele[x]>
I removed the duplicate hackernews entry
<jt15s[m]>
Thanks!
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<nephele[x]>
Maybe we can mark the items as news and aggregation like the previous page aswell
<jt15s[m]>
Yeah, good idea
<nephele[x]>
Reading a german news article about beta3, the grammar is so wierd and strange, seems almost like someone tried to neural net translate the english version .-.
<nephele[x]>
jt15S. what do you call news entries that just copy the anouncement btw?
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<jt15s[m]>
nephele[x]: AFAIK it's called the self-published press release.
<jt15s[m]>
For the next release we'll have to consider asking people to help translate our press releases.
<jt15s[m]>
I do note that it seems that a lot of the sites are just summarising the press release; though it's evident they have been reading it from the mentions of NVIDIA graphics driver improvements etc.
<nephele[x]>
we'll probably get a couple of proper reviews in the next days, i hope anyway :)
<jt15s[m]>
Hopefully, we have a lot of YouTubers who can do reviews on our list, and we've contacted everyone on our media list
<JeremyF[m]>
<jt15s[m] "For the next release we'll have "> I thought to translate in french
<JeremyF[m]>
Like thw whole website
<jt15s[m]>
JeremyF: Yes, translation for the website was suggested, but we have to manually configure the website and connect it to a translation tool.
<JeremyF[m]>
I'm still waiting access for the documentation translation
<JeremyF[m]>
Ready to pass the tests!
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<nephele[x]>
Lol... using "eject device" when playing local files in MediaPlayer freezes it...
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<nephele[x]>
I hope the "bug" icon that has now appeared on my main drive isn't related....
<AlwaysLivid>
nephele[x], is your hard drive still in place? :D
<AlwaysLivid>
(/joke)
<nephele[x]>
I havent opened my laptop to check yet
<PulkoMandy>
not exactly. Mail will show it as an attachment and you can open it in Web+ or another web browser from there
<PulkoMandy>
we can do better when we have a BWebView API that's usable by apps other than web browsers
<nephele[x]>
Thanks, that's good to know
<B2IA>
(bronzie94) :)
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<mrentropy64>
Hey folks.
<countryboy>
hey, mrentropy64 !!!
<countryboy>
no trouble for be about entropy : I have a Filipino who tidies up !!! xD
<countryboy>
... for me ...
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<countryboy>
Coldfirex: cold ? an idiom ?
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<Coldfirex>
nah
<countryboy>
?
<Coldfirex>
Just sounded cool as a young teen decades ago
<countryboy>
Coldfirex: ah, a joke ...
<countryboy>
Coldfirex: and pro/ engineering wildfire => wild fire
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<Coldfirex>
random question. Why do we use gerrit vs the pull requests section on github?
<augiedoggie>
github can't handle all of the hrev tags, so it's not a true mirror
<Diver>
maybe they fixed it? I think nobody tried it for the last several years
<tqh>
I think at somepoint we discussed alternatives to hrev, and we havn't checked in a long while if it still has problems.
<nephele[x]>
gerrit and github PR's are a quite different workflow
<tqh>
GitHub PR's was not that good back then, some argue that it is still so.
<tqh>
In the end it was the most efficient for those that does the heavy lifting though.
<tqh>
Personally I arguee for PR's though.
<tqh>
I don't remember what the suggested solution to replace hrevs was.
<nephele[x]>
I haven't used either that much, But i prefer the style of gerrit where the commit to be added is forcibly replaced every time, making it very difficult to get to a "please merge your commits" situation I see very often on github PR's (that it becomes really hard to review because intermeditate commits in a chain remove something and later ones add it again and such)
<tqh>
For me the ease of use is better for PR's (from the view of doing a PR) so I think it would be easier to attract new people, and the reduced load of not administrating gerrit.
<tqh>
Also nowadays I really like Github Actions (even though it's total lack of security)
<Coldfirex>
Thanks all. I was just thinking of one less system to manage which I know we need :)
<nephele[x]>
With gerrit I can atleast potentially use it soon :P
<JeremyF[m]>
Do we have the exact list of haiku languages ?
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<tqh>
When we used subversion, the hosting I think stopped or something, forcing us to do something else, so I think that also makes us want to be independent.
<tqh>
We actually started with CVS it seems.
<nephele[x]>
jere,yf; you mean... what is in the betas or what is in the nightlies?
<nephele[x]>
We hve a list of which languages were considered for inclusion of the last beta releases on the wiki i think
<JeremyF[m]>
the 28 languages of beta 3
<nephele[x]>
git supports no xattrs afaik, and other version controls don't do so either :) I don't think there is a perfect tool for us, but git is pretty okay
<bmp>
I mean, Subversion can, but I sincerely doubt anyone here wants to go there. :)
<Coldfirex>
please no lol
<bmp>
I wasn't seriously suggesting that, and at any rate, I think (?) Haiku used Subversion until relatively recently as-is; Git was likely just worth it despite that. :)
<PulkoMandy>
bmp, "relatively recently" as in 10 years ago 🙂
<PulkoMandy>
Coldfirex, I guess I'm the main responsible for pushing Gerrit as a code review tool, but the reasons outlined above give the right idea
<PulkoMandy>
when we used SVN we were hosted at BerliOS (now closed), often their server had the disk full on weekends and we couldn't commit anything, so we moved to hosting our own repository
<PulkoMandy>
since then we saw Google Code also close (it used to be a bit like github is now, very popular for opensource projects sometime around 2006-2010 I think)
<PulkoMandy>
so we don't really want to rely on something like that. Especially github because it is not even open source
<bmp>
PulkoMandy: I realized it was probably longer ago than that, because I was actively working on Mercurial at the time, and hoped (but didn't expect) you'd go to that. So that'd mean it couldn't have been more recent than 2013.
<bmp>
Decades go fast.
<AlwaysLivid>
I recently requested a Haiku archive on the Software Heritage.
<AlwaysLivid>
It's a month-old, or something.
<AlwaysLivid>
Weird to think that most of the code we author will be around after our deaths, honestly. Gives it some sort of extra meaning and more of a reason as to why I should not leave trailing spaces around.
<nephele[x]>
You can make Koder strip those on saving
<AlwaysLivid>
vim btw, haven't had the time to set it up
<AlwaysLivid>
I'm always held up with something else.
<nephele[x]>
If it's any consolation: any time you work out instead of laying on the couch you bring the heat death of the universe closer
<PulkoMandy>
also at the time Github didn't allow "rebase and merge" so the commit history would be full of merge commits (they fixed that now). And indeed there is the problem of the hrev tags (we have git hooks to add these on every commit), however we should probably finally do the work on removing these tags as there are now simpler way to do similar things with git
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<AlwaysLivid>
hey there, haikunaut! HaikuUser
<PulkoMandy>
as for the workflow, it's a matter of preference, personally I am more at ease with the gerrit way to do things, other people prefer the github pull request styl
<PulkoMandy>
e
<PulkoMandy>
I am not convinced that the github flow is simpler, you have to fork the repository, then clone that fork, make changes locally, push changes to your github remote, and then finally make a merge request, it is not simple
<PulkoMandy>
but it surely is popular
* nephele[x]
only has a copy of haikuwebkit and haiku on a server for lack of a gerrit user
<PulkoMandy>
I'm not sure developpers are really put off by this, either, from my experience on github it is not uncommon to get more pull requests, but it will sometimes be people fully relying on the github online editor to make their changes, and then on your continuous integration to compile the code and check for problems, they won't test anything themselves
<AlwaysLivid>
I recently had to pull commits, merge them, sign them, force-push them back to the branch so that the PR closes as soon as I push that to master, force-push, override the fact that two reviews need to go in before I can merge this commit (force-pushes cancel out reviews), and use my admin privileges to push thatto master.
<AlwaysLivid>
I love being a maintainer.
<PulkoMandy>
if that's the kind of "increased contributions" we want, well 😕
<AlwaysLivid>
How do you guys live with that
<PulkoMandy>
also, I'm not sure our problem is getting more contributions? /me look at the gerrit list of pending patches growing and growing
<nephele[x]>
more reviewers :)
<PulkoMandy>
that being said I can understand your feelings about using a workflow you're not familiar with. Last week I wanted to submit patches to a project for work but I found out they use git send-email
<PulkoMandy>
so now I have an item on my TODO list to configure that and it will probably take a month or two to get to it
<AlwaysLivid>
In Tenacity's case, it's either GitHub or git send-email. I still haven't configured that and I'm a maintainer, I should really set that example.
<Coldfirex>
good discussion. Came on by me submitting a small change to FreeBSD's github. Change was so simple that using the online editor was the way to go in that situation
<AlwaysLivid>
and thennn the change is more complicated than previously thought
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<Coldfirex>
always a possibility, especially withe me :)
<jezek2>
I wonder what happened to simple sending of a diff? all these workflows seems quite complex to me :D
<nephele[x]>
that's git email basically :)
<tqh>
It's easy to send stuff, but more painful for the one managing incoming emails I suppose.
<tqh>
I think we are not that good at reviewing. Not sure it's a tool problem, more organisational.
<Not-5835>
[haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/J4xIa
<Not-5835>
[haikuports/haikuports] kwyxz 1a9ff74 - RetroArch: bump to version 1.9.7 (#6102)
<tqh>
online editor plus a build action for PR's is very nice way to work.
<tqh>
In an old java maven project I have, GitHub even sent automatic security PR's to upgrade libs.
<tqh>
ah it might not show since it is a security PR.
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<PulkoMandy>
jezek2, we can still accept that (as attachments in trac) but then the patches tend to get lost there
<PulkoMandy>
unless someone migrates them to gerrit
<tqh>
maybe gerrit can accept emails?
<PulkoMandy>
why would you do that?
<PulkoMandy>
I mean, which is simpler, "git push HEAD:refs/for/master" or "git format-patch, open your email client, figure out at which address to send the thing"?
<PulkoMandy>
gerrit on the client side is literally just pushing to a specific branch using git
<PulkoMandy>
there is no extra tooling whatsoever
<tqh>
With some extra metadata you need to keep track of manually, so probably would be better to have some tool. But email isn't the answer.
<PulkoMandy>
what do you need to keep track of?
<tqh>
update your change
<PulkoMandy>
the change-id can be added to new commits using a commit hook, then you just need to amend your change (git commit --amend) and push it again
<tqh>
and that is a tool. But it's something you need to create yourself.
<tqh>
Once you know the magic, it is not that hard. But it is a magic none the less.
<PulkoMandy>
it's available from the server: scp -p <login>@git.haiku-os.org:hooks/commit-msg "haiku/.git/hooks/" and that's part of our "getting the sourcecode" instructions
<PulkoMandy>
from that point of view, "how do I format my email correctly so that gerrit can understand it" is also magic, right?
<PulkoMandy>
good luck making sure everyone sends text based emails, that the email client doesn't decide to add line breaks, or ensuring the reply thread header is set correctly so the email change get directed to the right place
<tqh>
Yes I think we left why would anyone use email discussion already.
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<Coldfirex>
Still cracks me up when I get these after signing into gmail on a new Haiku install. "Alan, take the next step on your Mac by confirming your Google Account settings"
<tqh>
I guess you need to do that on your Mac :)
<PulkoMandy>
it reminds me I forgot to change the webkit version before the beta3 release
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<Coldfirex>
to what?
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<nephele[x]>
probably the User agent or so?
<nephele[x]>
To supress Your browser is too old plz install chrome messages :P
<nevermind>
nice to see that the beos spirit lives o n
<nevermind>
=)
<AlwaysLivid>
it's aliveeeee
<nephele[x]>
I'm amused that our discourse instance detects webpositive as Mac aswell
<Coldfirex>
ahh ya useragent says 605.1.15
<nephele[x]>
.... and i apparently get one new device each time the PWA crap on iOS clears the cookies for no reasons and i login instead .-. 30ish
<AlwaysLivid>
PWAs suck :D
<Coldfirex>
PulkoMandy: Should we also bump the version of WebPositive? Says 1.2 Alpha. Hasnt it been that for a bit?
<nephele[x]>
It's just a desktop shortcut for a website that does more caching and renders without a chrome and presents as a standalone app to the switcher, which is fine and all, but it keeps clearing cookies for no reason, and opens uris in the worst in-app browser view .-.
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<PulkoMandy>
Coldfirex, yes, that's what I forgot to do, should be 1.3 I think?
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<Coldfirex>
sounds perfect
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<bbjimmy>
hrev55266 MediaPlayer: close() cd/dvd device after eject. Talk about a way to anoy people. I want top close the cd/dev tray by myself so as not to need to re-open it to remove the cd/dvd.
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<beaglejoe>
bbjimmy, I thought the same thing when I saw that. But the commit is about closing the internal handle to the device.
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<Vidrep_64>
Hi
<Vidrep_64>
waddlesplash, are you still going to be working for Haiku
<Vidrep_64>
?
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<waddlesplash>
Vidrep_64: that does appear to be the plan. haven't banged out the finer details yet
<waddlesplash>
busy today, bbl
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<zdykstra>
good to see you waddlesplash
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