<iisi>
Skipp_OSX: To be in hrev55224-1? Assuming no in hrev55223-1, which ir what SoftwareUpdater offers me. Or should I attempt a full build?
<Skipp_OSX>
hrev55178 or above
<iisi>
Downloading pkg 26 of 101. BBL (-:
<Skipp_OSX>
:/
<Skipp_OSX>
anybody else here on hrev55178 or above?
<jessicah>
yep
<jessicah>
55221
<Skipp_OSX>
jessicah ok, do me a favor, either follow above steps, or make font 21pt, restart tracker, open window, put in mini icon mode, highlight stuff and unhighlight with mouse
<Skipp_OSX>
well my fix was just committed to master branch, so if you update it should get fixed and you can verify that too
<jessicah>
okay, I'll do that after buildtools has finished compiling
<Skipp_OSX>
hrev55228 (you're on 21)
<jessicah>
yep, I saw
<Skipp_OSX>
ok thx
<Skipp_OSX>
it took me 2 weeks to track down the problematic line of code and I know it fixes the bug but confirmation would be nice esp to get it into beta3
<jessicah>
I kind of feel like you should be using min/max with text + icon size
<Skipp_OSX>
thank you for confirming the bug for me
<Skipp_OSX>
what do you mean?
<jessicah>
what if font height was smaller than the icon size?
<jessicah>
then the highlight would be wrong again, no?
<Skipp_OSX>
then it centers inside the icon instead of outside it. Highlighting not wrong tested with 8pt font
<jessicah>
okay, just wanted to check if that was considered
<Skipp_OSX>
text shorter than icon was never the problem only text larger than icon
<Skipp_OSX>
We should have a 32x32 mini-icon mode to go with large enough font size too like we do with list mode
<Skipp_OSX>
but for now mini is always 16x16 so that will have to wait for another day
<jessicah>
heh, yeah, loaded icon size should definitely be related to font size
<jessicah>
I notice the little corner thing doesn't scale to font size like the rest of the UI :-/
<Skipp_OSX>
yes the hand is fixed size
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<AlienSoldier>
what is causing this: Re-using download '/boot/system/packages/administrative/state_2021-06-26_22:54:17/haikuwebkit_x86-1.8.1-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg' from previous transaction (partial) *** Failed to download package haikuwebkit_x86: Interrupted system call
<Skipp_OSX>
seems like you downloaded a bad partial package and should delete that one
<Skipp_OSX>
then reinstall haikuwebkit_x86
<kallisti5[m]>
Yeah... that's one big issue i've seen with the partial package stuff
<kallisti5[m]>
if it fails... a lot of times when you try again it just sits there and doesn't do anything
<AlienSoldier>
Skipp_OSX seem that was it. i first failed with the GUI and then tryed the terminal
<kallisti5[m]>
or shows an error. The solution is kinda difficult as you have to delete the related transaction directories before running pkgman again
<AlienSoldier>
should indeed auto detect and resume redownload
<AlienSoldier>
this laptop with haiku is hell. Sometime the fan is full on always for no reason, the sound does not start right away and sometime never do and the unusable desktop with no icon showing bug occur. And i need to restart and get the 3 random problem all away in one booting.
<Skipp_OSX>
unusable desktop with no icon showing bug means Tracker isn't starting
<Skipp_OSX>
do you have any unusual Tracker add-ons?
<AlienSoldier>
no
<Skipp_OSX>
well of course you don't who does?
<Skipp_OSX>
so it's something else then
<Skipp_OSX>
def Tracker not starting though (for whatever reason)
<AlienSoldier>
volume icon always show up and sometime 1 or 2 more. That bug was supposed to be fixed but on that laptop it stayed
<Skipp_OSX>
volume icon is in Deskbar but it doesn't go away or doesn't redraw?
<Skipp_OSX>
idk what is going on with your laptop
<AlienSoldier>
volume as in disk icon
<Skipp_OSX>
oh I see
<Skipp_OSX>
you have disks turned on in Tracker settings?
<jessicah>
Skipp_OSX: I left a comment on the ticket, about what might be a potential fix to try
<jessicah>
unfortunately I don't have a device with supported wifi
<iisi>
Grrr, Installer refuses to create a bootable disk. "Non-system disk", says BIOS. So I chain-boot from another disk (using shift to get menu and choose the new disk).
<Skipp_OSX>
yeah I saw that might be it
<Skipp_OSX>
turn drawing off and on
<jessicah>
I guess you'd put it inside the if statement for wireless part
<iisi>
Worked, correct disk has Haiku leaf icon. Updated to latest, rebooted...got garbled screen. Rebooted with fallback video…wrong disk even though I chose the new one?
<iisi>
Tried five times, but will only boot the previous disk even when shif-boot menu changed to new disk.
<iisi>
Viewed new disk with DiskProbe…boot sector is all zeros.
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<iisi>
Tried makebootable for old time's sake, claimed success…nope.
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<iisi>
Reinitialised new disk with GUID instead of Intel, then immediately back to Intel. Formatted again, ran Installer, viewed result in DiskProbe…looks good.
<iisi>
Rebooting...no sys loader.
<iisi>
(O.o) Normally this just works.
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<iisi>
Created partition is 7.22 GB instead of full disk, but was full disk the previous times. Maybe a dodgyUSB. (o.O)
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<Skipp_OSX>
jessicah Begin/EndTransaction around wireless did not fix the bug
<jessicah>
ah :-/
<jessicah>
worth a shot
<jessicah>
iisi: you can use writembr if you're booting in BIOS mode
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<countryboy>
hello
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<B2IA>
(Shaka) hi countryboy
<countryboy>
hi shaka
<countryboy>
shaka : which server are you on ?
<countryboy>
agmsmith ?
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<nephele[x]>
PulkoMandy: Opensound makes the optical out of my laptop glow constantly, I don't think that is a good experience, and it also makes the config options pretty unusable, so i'd vote against it aswell
<nephele[x]>
also, beta label and all...
<PulkoMandy>
I tried to understand the hda driver sourcecode and I feel more confident about fixing issues in opensound personally :>
<nephele[x]>
AlienSoldier: I think that is only a bug with re-using packages from previous states: as in skipping to download stuff you had previously, and not with anything that is corrupt
<nephele[x]>
PulkoMandy: sounds like hda needs more help than webkit :P
<nephele[x]>
If you can understand the latter but not the former
<countryboy>
i suggest a /dev/cdrom link to scsi ...
<countryboy>
so you could do : eject /dev/cdrom ...
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<Begasus_32>
grabbing alembic_x86-1.8.2-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/alembic_x86-1.8.2-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg
<Begasus>
nice, build with the new openexr package :)
<Begasus>
although I feel like I'm getting into a rabbit hole (lib hell) :)
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<rennj>
the bloat continues, a real tower of babel
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<Begasus>
the bloat is already there rennj ... keeping it uptodate can be a pain :)
<rennj>
texlive being huge is no surprise
<rennj>
350MB.iso is where my in-memory/ramos vmware-vmx combo is at in 2021, i was 128MB.iso in 2007..fight the bloat
<rennj>
if i dumped vmware for qemu i could be at 300MB, or 280MB if i dumped mupdf-x11
<rennj>
downgrade 1 kernel or so i could shave another 20MB or so..the kernel firmware bloat is real
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<Not-5835>
[haiku/infrastructure] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JCTY6
<Not-5835>
[haiku/infrastructure] nielx 140f5a7 - Traefik: set minimum TLS version to 1.2
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<bestonecrazy[m]>
might try audacity'ws recipe later
<bestonecrazy[m]>
* might try audacity's recipe later
<AGMS>
Right, that certainly makes for a quick start if you build off the Audacity recipe for your fork. Though it looks like nobody got the recipe fully working (question marks before the supported platforms).
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<kallisti5>
installed Windows 11 in a vm.. it's interesting
<kallisti5>
hell.. windows 11 comes with ssh available in the terminal by default
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<jessicah>
windows 11 is awful
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<kallisti5>
in offline mode it isn't too bad
<kallisti5>
no ads or anything
<kallisti5>
I think "online mode" spams you with advertisements about microsoft store crap
<kallisti5>
anyway... I won't be running it :-) I just generally fire new windows releases up and poke at them in a VM for a little while.
<kallisti5>
In tech... not knowing a version of windows makes people think you're not good at tech
<B2IA>
(AGMS) Anything to take away from Windows 11 with a view to how Haiku versions are changed? Probably applies more to moving from R1 to R2.
<kallisti5>
heh.. we need a unified control panel. Everyone's doing it
<kallisti5>
maybe move updater into it. People will be expecting os updates to be in settings like android after this
<kallisti5>
we really need a defined UX around "single window setting panes"
<B2IA>
(AGMS) Apple iOS has that too. Just so long as we don't get the Windows old and new settings mixture.
<kallisti5>
the "blob of interface" is what everyone does now-a-days
<kallisti5>
looking at that settings window... the area defines are just kind of smathered obsecurly onto the window
<kallisti5>
I prefer Haiku's design... but in "tons of crap in a window" designs it's hard to do our "tight window areas" layout
<B2IA>
(AGMS) A tree structure? Or better yet, one with duplicates allowed so you can find a particular setting in multiple places.
<B2IA>
(AGMS) I wonder if you can fit that into the file system and Tracker. A tree of settings (links for duplicates) and actual settings run as a replicant in Tracker when you view their directory.
<B2IA>
(AGMS) Conversely Tracker could display directories like those settings GUIs do, as a scrollable list with side expansion..
<PulkoMandy>
"everyone does it" is not a good enough reason to me
<jessicah>
you can already open prefs as a tracker window
<PulkoMandy>
the whole reason we do Haiku is being able to try something different, and these single window with evrerything UI tend to get very crowded and confusing
<jessicah>
indeed
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<B2IA>
(AGMS) Right, I'd forgotten that DeskBar menus let you see folder contents, but if you click on an intermediate node (rather than a leaf), it pops up a directory window.
<nephele[x]>
kallisti5: that looks like a plasma screenshot...
<rennj>
isnt that winblows copied off of, kde
<nephele[x]>
The only thing I really like about win 10 is that the high contrast mode works fine for apps that use their native api, luckily we have such a thing aswell, just in way better :P
<nephele[x]>
But we might get it for "ze web" in the future because MS standardized it for chromium and such, and maybe webkit will support it in the future potentially
<PulkoMandy>
it seems they're preparing everyone to announce a switch to kde instead of some in-house developed software, yes :>
<kallisti5>
lol. Just an fyi. PulkoMandy tagged haikuwebkit-1.8.2 with some fixes. I'm working on getting them built and shipped out via an os update
<kallisti5>
it doesn't fix all of the issues... but some of them
<kallisti5>
it won't be included in any install images until we see if anyone can figure out the "disappearing text" issue before R1/beta3 (1 week left to figure it out)
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<Not-5835>
[haikuports/haikuports] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/JCk6Y
<Not-5835>
[haikuports/haikuports] kallisti5 96f30aa - haikuwebkit: Bump to 1.8.2
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