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<jmairboeck>
Good morning Begasus, thanks for merging texlive :)
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<nephele[x]>
bah, i cant download the haiku package
<nephele[x]>
it keeps downloading to a certain %, fails with connection refused, and then deletes the stuff it downloaded to the file, so re-runs don't make progress for partial downloads .-.
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<jessicah>
haha
<jessicah>
just download the file directly and pkgman install it?
<jessicah>
wget should resume fine :)
<nephele[x]>
yes, it should, but i didn't find the uri to download it directly :)
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<nephele[x]>
my workaround was canceling it with ctrl-c periodically until it got the entire file, but i am still a bit wierded out why it even refused the conenction in the first place
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<nephele[x]>
but in any case, exceletn oportunity to use one of those bad server emulators and try to make it more robust for downloading stuff :)
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<jessicah>
indeed, it really should be much more robust, and maybe even do more than 1 download at a time... :p
<jessicah>
but maybe that's asking too much ;) haha
<jessicah>
:o gf ordered a 1tb ssd for me, so I'll finally be able to install haiku onto this desktop nuc, as well as run an ubuntu vm for .net porting
<jessicah>
should be hella faster than my i3 nuc
<jessicah>
i3-4010u w/4gig vs i7-8705g w/32gig, yeah, even as a VM, will be faster I'm sure
<nephele[x]>
why use a vm? :)
<jessicah>
I'm on windows
<jessicah>
fuck linux desktop
<nephele[x]>
i thought you ment you use a ubuntu desktop to run haiku in a vm, hence my question :P
<jessicah>
I'm currently doing the .net stuff on my low power nuc, which is ubuntu server
<jessicah>
it's... not fast
<jessicah>
:p
<nephele[x]>
you already said that "ubuntu server" :p
<jessicah>
it runs my docker infra well enough
<jessicah>
running builds on it is a bit much for it though
<nephele[x]>
do we really need more than one download for package kit?
<nephele[x]>
like, i don't see how that would be faster if the server doesn't even saturate the link for the first download
<jessicah>
well, at least here, a single download runs pretty slowly... figured if it can do more than one, then maybe it'd finish a bit faster
<nephele[x]>
if it's slow in general maybe we should figure out why instead :)
<jessicah>
indeed
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<nephele[x]>
well, atleast we are faster than microsofts servers...
<jessicah>
lol
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<countryboy>
i have been to Australia ... down under ... in 2008 ...
<countryboy>
there are people from down under ?
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<Begasus>
hi jmairboeck , happy to do! Thanks for this massive job! :)
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<jmairboeck>
can I submit packages now that depend on texlive? I suppose these can't be built then ...
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<Begasus>
They can't be build (dependency will fail), but you can submit packages, if only for the sake that you and maybe others could benifit from them jmairboeck :)
<Begasus>
Add a comment on the dependency for texlive then and disable the package in the recipe with "?"
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<jessicah>
from NZ :) about as down under as you can get before reaching Antarctica :p
<countryboy>
?
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<countryboy>
ah ... you jessicah are from new zealand ?
<jessicah>
yep
<Begasus>
g'morning jessicah :)
<countryboy>
i apologize, jessicah, i was thinking you was from new york ...
<countryboy>
np
<countryboy>
going for a coffee ... cu ...
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<nephele[x]>
jessicah: that depends where down is :P
<nephele[x]>
i gather the japanese have the globe the other side up than the europeans
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<Begasus>
pkgman install vim_x86 doesn't seem to work, trying a build with the latest update there ...
<Begasus>
jmairboeck, build started (configure) on texlive (64bit) here :)
<jmairboeck>
I just noticed an error on this wiki page: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/wiki/HaikuPorter-HaikuPortsConf The example config file for x86_gcc2 says SECONDARY_ARCHITURES="x86", but the correct variable would be SECONDARY_TARGET_ARCHITECTURES (as is listed below). Can someone fix this please? I just wondered for a few minutes why I couldn't build my package on 32 bit
<jmairboeck>
should I create an issue for that?
<Begasus>
no, "SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURE=x86" is OK
<Begasus>
This is done for all packages not being able to build with gcc2
<jmairboeck>
It didn't work for me, it said "error: extractpdfmark_x86 not found in repository" (or similar)
<jmairboeck>
I'm talking about haikuports.conf, not the recipe
<Begasus>
you can't find it because it's not merged :)
<jmairboeck>
I have cloned my fork
<Begasus>
so you have to install it locally for now
<Begasus>
if it's not merged it won't be in the repository
<jmairboeck>
my fork, on the correct branch, does have it
<Begasus>
yeah, but your "fork" isn't a repository that can pull files from haikuports :)
<jmairboeck>
please take a look at your haikuports.conf file on 32 bit in /boot/home/config/settings
<Begasus>
did you try "pkgman install <path_to/extractpdfmark_x86>" ?
<jmairboeck>
no, that's not about installing
<Begasus>
ah, that last line only enables SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURE in the recipes
<jmairboeck>
yes, that's the problem, it must be SECONDARY_TARGET_ARCHITECTURES apparently
<Begasus>
it's like using the variable "effectiveTargetArchitecture"
<Begasus>
nope
<jmairboeck>
if you scroll down on that page, it says so in the list of variables
<Begasus>
you have this with the current PR?
<Begasus>
yep I know
<Begasus>
there is also TARGET_ARCHITECTURE ...
<Begasus>
it just defines primary and secondary architecture
<jmairboeck>
but that is only for haikuports.cross, if I have understood that correctly
<Begasus>
if at one point gcc2 would be supported you could use "SECONDARY_TARGET_ARCHITECTURES="x86_gcc2"" on 64bit
<jmairboeck>
yes, but that is not my point
<Begasus>
hence some use "SECONDARY_ARCHITECTURE="!x86_gcc2 x86""
<jmairboeck>
the specified variable at the top of the wiki page is wrong
<Begasus>
that is something for the web people :)
* Begasus
bumps head!!!
<Begasus>
you are right! :)
<Begasus>
didn't check the wiki page ... (local only so far)
<jmairboeck>
no problem :)
<Begasus>
call me stupid :D
<jmairboeck>
should I create an issue about that?
<jmairboeck>
it is just a minor thing, but I searched for a few minutes for an error in my setup
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<Begasus>
could you check again now? :)
<jmairboeck>
now it looks better, thanks ;)
<Begasus>
Thanks for the tip, I'm so used to it that I don't always check the obvious ;)
<Not-5835>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/JWQcG
<Not-5835>
[haikuports/haikuports] jmairboeck 372635d - new recipe: extractpdfmark (#6075)
<jmairboeck>
I just set up haikuports in my 32 bit VM to test the new package, that's why I noticed it
<Begasus>
the 64bit laptop just froze on building texlive (only 2 cores enabled) :/
<jmairboeck>
bummer :(
<Begasus>
yeah, disabling SMP now in the bootmenu to check again, won't be as fast ...
<jmairboeck>
I also got weird KDLs sometimes, maybe because it ran out of memory or so, but my haiku laptop is also really old. That is one of the reasons it took over a year to get a working recipe ...
<jmairboeck>
and of course the infamous haikuporter issue #207
<Begasus>
most of the laptops I "can" use here are over 10 years :)
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<nephele[x]>
If you have SMP your laptop isn't old enough
<nephele[x]>
Begasus: you can just disable second cores in processcontroler while the system is running if you think that is the issue :)
<Begasus>
nephele[x], used Pulse to disable cores since yesterday, mudled freezed with 3 cores (but that's a pain to build anyway) so I wanted to try with 2 cores an texlive today
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<Begasus>
mudlet*
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<Not-5835>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/JWQBA
<rennj>
multiple lines are in fact a single statement ;
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<jmairboeck>
Begasus, that's strange, why would it fail copying the README file?
<Begasus>
because it's not there?
<Begasus>
at least if I look into $sourceDir4 I don't see it also
<Coldfirex_>
rennj: not sure, I would expect the compiler to bark at me but it didnt
<rennj>
warning or error
<Coldfirex_>
I editted it include the ;
<rennj>
-Werror
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<rennj>
gcc -Wall probably even better
<jmairboeck>
Begasus, what source4 do you have? If I download the tarball from here: ftp://tug.org/historic/systems/texlive/2021/texlive-20210325-extra.tar.xz, it contains the README file (and the other referenced files)
<jmairboeck>
note that SOURCE_4 was different in an earlier version, it was the tlpdb tarball before. Maybe you have an old download?
<jmairboeck>
but then haikuporter should have complained, shouldn't it?
<rennj>
Coldfirex, "Using the GNU Compiler Collection" get the pdf for your version
<rennj>
then tweak the makefile i suppose show warning
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<Coldfirex_>
rennyj: ya, 8.3 I believe. Thats a nice 1000 page document for some light reading. :) Thanks!
<rennj>
bedtime reading
<Coldfirex_>
ZZZzz
<Begasus>
jmairboeck, nothing left from behind, pulled the latest changes from haikuports ...
<Begasus>
anyway, grabbing something to eat, will get back later if the build has finished
<Coldfirex_>
I would assume RC0 is the same as TC2 and its updates just rolled together right?
<nephele[x]>
yes, mostly
<nephele[x]>
but it is a seperate target to test for booting, for updating (one ticket for beta2 -> beta3 update you can report on now) etc.
<Coldfirex_>
10-4
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<Begasus>
jmairboeck, one thing that could explain the situation here is the system freeze earlier, didn't start a "clean" build after the reboot :)
<Begasus>
so you can for now ignore my earlier statement :)
<rennj>
frozen system, half a write, corrupted data. checksum all the files
<rennj>
should have used zfs
<rennj>
silent corruption of data even worse, bad bios on harddrive...had that happen. or how about the wonderful "raid write hole"
<rennj>
Any RAID system not on a battery backup has a write hole
<jmairboeck>
ok, thanks for the info Begasus
<Begasus>
k, build finished successfuly, closing down for today
<Begasus>
cu peeps!
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<Skipp_OSX>
even raid 1?
<Skipp_OSX>
I have 2 software raid 1's on zfs no battery backup
<rennj>
nah raid1 and raid10 are good
<rennj>
zfs protects you from all that
<rennj>
bad bios even
<rennj>
raid5 write hole. and write cache on hardware raid
<rennj>
raid 10 is king, but it costs and you waste half space for the feature
<rennj>
number of drives that can fail..
<Skipp_OSX>
I am backing up my data... it's taking a while
<rennj>
4 drives bare min on raid10, you can loose half
<rennj>
2 drives
<Skipp_OSX>
due to the nature of the data the most logical backup is a disc which takes a long time to create esp when you need to do 300 of 'em
<Skipp_OSX>
I have 2 separate raid 1's but raid isn't backup of course
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<rennj>
According to manufacturer specifications and official independent benchmarks, in most cases RAID 10[8] provides better throughput and latency than all other RAID levels[9] except RAID 0 (which wins in throughput).
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<rennj>
The functionality developed at Facebook does exactly this. It allows a journal device (sometimes referred to as a "cache" or "log" device) to be configured with an MD/RAID5 (or RAID4 or RAID6) array. This can be any block device and could even be a mirrored pair of SSDs (because you wouldn't want the journal device to become a single point of failure).
<rennj>
RAID56 Unstable n/a write hole still exists (see below)
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<yann64[m]>
Tried Otter instead of Webpositive following the issue with the disapearing text, but I just get a completely blank page accessing the forums.
<yann64[m]>
Anybody else using Otter and seeing this?
<dcatt>
I'm seeing it too
<dcatt>
happens in Safari on Mac as well
<yann64[m]>
OK, good thing it is not Haiku related then