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<jt15s[m]> Apparently today is SysAdmin day (https://sysadminday.com) - thanks so much to all of Haiku's sysadmins for keeping our web infrastructure going!
<mrentropy64> \O/
<mmu_man> \o/
<dcatt> You sysadmin folks rock!
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<rennj> https://www.arthinternational.com/DVDR_Products/studiox.html StudioX can process 600 CD and/or DVD discs before user attention is needed.
<rennj> sysadmin that!
<rennj> use to have one connected to sun 280R for audits. nice hardware
<rennj> hackers going to erase the audits how? burn to media, got to steal the media.
<rennj> means you got to break into facility
<Skipp_OSX> like they did in GA? (you're probably talking about a diff kind of audit)
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<rennj> syslogd and solaris/trusted solaris bsm auditing
<rennj> process accounting what linux calls it
<rennj> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSSEC something like that
<rennj> snort and aide and syslogd
<rennj> network,file,and system logging intrusion detection
<rennj> solaris had this stuff built in, to audit all processes users files
<rennj> could tell who did what when
<rennj> atime,ctime,mtime on files, what users su - root etc etc
<rennj> you can even put system on the network and secure then with data diodes
<rennj> date only comes in, never goes back out
<rennj> just like diode would do..its one way
<rennj> fiber good choice..
<rennj> $10k for device not bad..if you really need security
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<Skipp_OSX> GA spent a heck of a lot more than that
<Skipp_OSX> but the real problem is trust, there is none.
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<rennj> who is GA?
<rennj> or what
<rennj> boondoggle?
<rennj> work or activity that is wasteful or pointless but gives the appearance of having value.
<rennj> taking part in multi-million dollar boondoggles is no fun....CSC computer science corporation. they changed there name, it got so bad
<rennj> The company has been accused of breaching human rights by arranging several illegal rendition flights for the CIA between 2003 and 2006,
<rennj> They told the IRS it would meet a January 2006 deadline, but failed to do so, leaving the IRS with no system capable of detecting fraud. Its failure to meet the delivery deadline for developing an automated refund fraud detection system cost the IRS between US$200 million and US$300 million
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<Skipp_OSX> Georgia (the state not the country)
<rennj> google analytic was my first thought...
<rennj> GA i lived in kingland/kingsbay for while
<rennj> right above jacksonville florida
<rennj> had nice time in Georgia
<Skipp_OSX> yeah, they had an audit, the room with the ballots got broken into
<rennj> Spanish moss
<Skipp_OSX> but it didn't look like anything was missing after so *shrug*
<rennj> yeah well they went blue didnt they...
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<rennj> GA saved the day
<rennj> hehe red vs blue
<rennj> republican rebel scum!...
<zdykstra> is there a Matrix client for Haiku ?
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<Skipp_OSX> allegedly
<Skipp_OSX> (the blue team was the rebels back in the day)
<Skipp_OSX> s/was/were/
<Skipp_OSX> zdykstra no idea what that is sry
<rennj> till nixon and southern strategy/barry goldwater
<rennj> past 40+ years repubs are terrorist, doomed the world
<rennj> noam chomsky said it best..
<rennj> not just u.s.a. the anti science party has doomed the world
<Skipp_OSX> I find it funny that the people who believe gender is a spectrum claim to be the ones on the side of science
<rennj> who cares about that, thats small fries compared to climate change..
<Skipp_OSX> what's the down side? NY and SF underwater? sign me up!
<rennj> mass migration from equator up north is future
<Skipp_OSX> seems to be the present
<rennj> doomed, because religious wacko anti science party
<Skipp_OSX> I do hear this opinion a lot
<Skipp_OSX> problem is I see it exactly the same but the other way
<Skipp_OSX> but I guess either way we're doomed so it's just pointing the finger at whose to blame
<zdykstra> mmm nothing like politics on IRC
<Skipp_OSX> yeah def took a turn there
<rennj> Skipp_OSX, you party is done, only way to win is gerrymandering, and disenfranchising voters
<rennj> they have to cheat heh
<Skipp_OSX> you're probably right
<_Dario_> back to your previous question, zdykstra : yes, there is some Matrix clients available in Haiku.
<zdykstra> _Dario_: do you have names? I searched for them in HaikuDepot but couldn't find anything
<_Dario_> sure
<_Dario_> "Quaternion"
<_Dario_> "nheko"
<zdykstra> oh, because I was looking at the Featured Packages tab
* zdykstra stares at his feet for a minute
<_Dario_> :-)
<_Dario_> yeah, use the second tab, the one that shows all the packages
<zdykstra> thanks, found 'em
<_Dario_> welcome!
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<rennj> Skipp_OSX, you got vaccinated?
<Skipp_OSX> lol
<rennj> or are you part of the current problems?
<Skipp_OSX> I'm going to remain silent on that one
<rennj> oh heh, here we go
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<jessicah> will be getting mine soon, they've only just recently opened up vaccinations to the wider population here in NZ
<rennj> that the madness, people who want it and dont have access, meanwhile we got chuckleheads here refusing to get it
<rennj> and its free, cvs,wallgreens.walmart, and we are never going to get to herd immunity because the anti science part politicized it
<rennj> hell they got to offer $100 bucks to take it at this point
<rennj> or lottery prizes
<rennj> For polio, the threshold is about 80%. measles 95% of a population needs to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity.
<rennj> space jebus to the rescue!
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<rennj> i got my 2 shots of pfizer mrna
<rennj> will gladly take a booster if need be
<rennj> never stopped masking..cause i want to live the last 1/3rd of my life
<rennj> 2/3 already lived
<rennj> and im in las vegas..where people just want to party...
<rennj> lived all over this country, east coast,west coast, fly over states..
<humdinger> good call, rennj
<rennj> navy vet..
<rennj> 2 college degrees before i even joined the navy....
<humdinger> survivers get vaxxed
<rennj> navy was the mistake, i should have been in silicon valley
<rennj> after college i should have gone straight to silicon valley, but like an idiot, i joined the navy
<rennj> gift to this country was fucking mistake
<rennj> own land in canada..ill fix that
<humdinger> ofc. should've chosen the army... :) :P
<rennj> bah the big green wheeny
<rennj> boo rah
<rennj> ooh rah
<rennj> marines and army both sounded the same
<humdinger> :) I'm just a foreigner nowing about army vs. navy thru films and football :)
<humdinger> *knowing
<rennj> funny thing is i read tons of anti war books, all quiet on western front, the naked and dead, all of vonnegut, catch22 joseph heller
<rennj> fullmetaljacket and second book
<rennj> all antiwar books
<jessicah> yeah, the anti-vaxxers is just insane, this is why cases are surging again in the US
<rennj> never will achieve herd immunity, so its going to keep fucking us
<jessicah> I have a friend, who early in the pandemic, a "friend" visited without letting her know she had covid, and almost died :(
<jessicah> the anti-vaxxers are selfish ;(
<rennj> utter madness, but that the anti-science party, space jesus will save them
<rennj> climate change al gore 21 years ago
<rennj> supreme court to florida to stop the recount, brooks brother lawyers
<rennj> supreme court told
<rennj> we could have gotten a head start on this
<jessicah> so glad to live in NZ
<rennj> there is no place to escape this
<rennj> 350.org 350ppm
<rennj> we are like 430ppm and siberia methane is coming
<rennj> ocean methane, the feed back loops are going to run away
<rennj> 350 was named after 350 parts per million — the safe concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
<jessicah> ah
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<rennj> nz i need money to buy my golden passport/citizenship
<jessicah> ;-)
<rennj> this country is broke, 74m vs 81m vote
<rennj> 74million voted again for that pig of human being
<rennj> 1/3 1/3 and 1/3 could vote
<rennj> 1/3 who couldnt vote, to young
<jessicah> I did think he had a chance of getting through again
<jessicah> it was pretty close, really
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<rennj> it boggles the mind, for me. i had to cut off all republican friends, as object lesson to them.
<jessicah> hahaha, yeah, it does...
<rennj> i cant look at them across a dinner table and take them serious at this point
<rennj> 2022 and 2024..they will vote for him again is the sad part
<jessicah> yes, I know...
<rennj> if this crap keeps up, going to mars with elon musk to run out the clock might not be so bad
<jessicah> hehe
<rennj> elon wants to die on mars, /
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<jessicah> morning Begasus
<Begasus> evening jessicah :)
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<jessicah> ugh, of course I can't cross compile ghc anymore :(
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<roiredX> good day
<jessicah> evening roiredX
<roiredX> hello there jessicah
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<Begasus> hi roiredX !
<roiredX> hi there Begasus
<Begasus> wanted to have a go at CudaText, so I used the script to download and build the components
<roiredX> aaaaand?
<roiredX> I did try yesterday
<Begasus> so far missing one lib (gdk-pixbuf-xlib) to link CudaText
<roiredX> with Lazarus 2.2.O RC1
<roiredX> and it ran from Lazarus the first time
<Begasus> yeah saw your mention at github
<roiredX> then never again
<Begasus> :(
<roiredX> didn't even build
<roiredX> strange things happen
<Begasus> not giving up that easy :)
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<roiredX> well... KDL
<roiredX> SD card not yet stable
<Begasus_32> grabbing gdk_pixbuf_xlib_x86-2.40.2-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/gdk_pixbuf_xlib_x86-2.40.2-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg
<Begasus_32> grabbing gdk_pixbuf_xlib_x86_devel-2.40.2-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg and moving it to /Opslag/haikuports/packages/gdk_pixbuf_xlib_x86_devel-2.40.2-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg
<Begasus> so first work is done there ... finetuning ...
<roiredX> when i grow up i wanna be like you
<roiredX> :D
<roiredX> can't understand recipes yet
<Begasus> lol
<Begasus> try with simple ones, plenty of things that could use an update :)
<roiredX> yes,... I need a 72h day
<roiredX> XD
<Begasus> heh
<roiredX> gotta go...
<roiredX> bye all!
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<Niklas[m]> Any change to rotate the screen on Haiku?
<Niklas[m]> I just tried Beta 3 on my GPD Win mini-netbook and it works amazingly good.I think it didn't with earlier versions.But because it is built with a smartphone display component,the orientation needs to be fixed in software.I can do it easily with xrandr with Linux but what can I do at Haiku?The screen settings don't have any orientation options.
<Begasus> I there have been some questions for that on the forum
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<JeremyF[m]> Can someone tell me if it's allowed to create a personnal page on Haiku wiki with an overview of all tested computers and states of devices for each?
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<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JB6cf
<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 10e4d31 - libqt5pas, revbump, don't use _devel package (#6109)
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<Begasus> gcc8 libraries ending up in $prefix/lib (or cp'd there) instead of $libDir have different libstdc++ dependencies?
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<nielx[m]> Coldfirex: maybe you should pause with the PVS fixes for a bit? You seem to hit on a lot of false positives
<Coldfirex> Yes it appears so
<Coldfirex> sorry about that
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<mrentropy64> I must've done something majorly wrong yesterday.
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<zebba[m]> <rennj "process accounting what linux ca"> process accounting is what *bsd calls it. linux only borrowed it ;)
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<zebba[m]> and, pa could be another tool in the box for a potential future "multiuser" haiku that doesn't really have mutiple *users* per se
<zebba[m]> it wouldn't matter if baron still owns all your files
<zebba[m]> zdykstra: i'm having more nostalgia flashbacks... didn't electroly's family do a bunch of stuff with PLC's? I'm kind of curious what their take to stuxnet was, back in the day.
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<mrentropy64> I guess what I did yesterday hosed my system bad enough that it wouldn't boot up this morning.
<Not-5835> [haiku/website-inc] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±1] https://git.io/JBiUZ
<Not-5835> [haiku/website-inc] kallisti5 687c512 - meetings: Add draft notes from 2021-07-31-1200
<Not-5835> [haiku/website-inc] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JBikC
<Not-5835> [haiku/website-inc] kallisti5 ba1f490 - meeting: spell check in vi, i need it
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<countryboy> bronzine
<countryboy> bronzine = bushings ;-)
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<bronzie94> busings?
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<AlwaysLivid> People are forwarding me the Google paper regarding .hpkg files today
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<waddlesplash> AlwaysLivid: ?
<AlwaysLivid> NVM.
<AlwaysLivid> It was .hvif, but I can't spot it anymore, some other person just quoted a line from it just now and I got a link from a deleted message earlier today. Hang on, trying to look for it...
<AlwaysLivid> YEP THAT WAS IT, at least that explains why Google wasn't accepting my site:*.google.com dork
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<zdykstra> zebba[m]: that sounds right - I know electroly's dad taught him a lot of software development techniques
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<HaikuUser> hello from beta3 with vision : i am countryboy ...\
<Coldfirex> good thing Haiku still has a 3dfx driver lol
<HaikuUser> cu
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<countryboy> hello
<jenna16bit> What, if any, modern 3D support is in Haiku right now?
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<rennj> nvidia bought 3dfx/tdfx
<rennj> must be new company
<countryboy> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 22222222
<rennj> nice
<AlwaysLivid> countryboy, you leaked your password again
<countryboy> xD
<AlwaysLivid> In case this isn't the joke, I'd advise you to change it, because people can login and take control of your own account.
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<AlwaysLivid> ................................................
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<jadedctrl> hope it's the real countryboy :p
<countryboy> NP
<countryboy> np
<AlwaysLivid> hostname looks legit
<countryboy> changed ...
<AlwaysLivid> awesome, hopefully you included more characters other than 2 this time :P
<countryboy> don't ask me the new one xD
<countryboy> could we change vision icon ?
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<zdykstra> jenna16bit: software only, no hardware
<zdykstra> countryboy: you can change the icon on your install to whatever you'd like it to be
<countryboy> fine ...
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<countryboy> how to change icons ?
<countryboy> drag and drop ?
<countryboy> in get info ?
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<countryboy> is there a tutorial ?
<zdykstra> right click on the application, go to uh, Addons or whatever that menu is called and pick File Type
<zdykstra> do that again on the icon that you want to use, then drag-and-drop
<jenna16bit> darn, well, still I ought to try beta 3, old one wouldn't boot
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<countryboy> ok, it works out from system apps ;...
<countryboy> changed a icon on desktop
<countryboy> but in system dir no ...
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<zdykstra> ahh, because those are read-only mounts
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<Begasus> food ... cu peeps :)
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<countryboy> hello
<countryboy> how to run spotify ?
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<nephele[x]> maybe they have a web client?
<countryboy> hi nephele[x]
<countryboy> there is a app + web player
<countryboy> also 4 linux ...
<countryboy> with firefox is ok
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<countryboy> cu
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<mmu_man> hmm, do we have a guide to update from beta1 to beta3…
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<mmu_man> hmmm a friend is testing but it doesn't work
<nephele[x]> I wonder if that would work, repo format has changed and i am unsure of whether we still have a ro copy of beta2 repos with a complete set?
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<mmu_man> would still be nice to have a way to upgrade beta1 since I have a ton of DVDs around :)
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<nephele[x]> maybe we can supply a statically linked SoftwareUpdater build for earlier releases that goes to the newest release :p
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<Coldfirex> PulkoMandy: regarding pvs stuff for the few I did already do you want an issue opened on your github, or try to get the actual pull request to your github?
<PulkoMandy> Coldfirex, pull request would be best, less work for me
<PulkoMandy> mmu_man, it's possible to use installer to install over an existing partition. Files in /home will be preserved but I think settings and installed packages will be removed
<PulkoMandy> but you need new install media to do this, so there's no point in doing it starting from a beta1 dvd
<PulkoMandy> we need to get better at testing our update path, I guess
<PulkoMandy> before we reach R1 🙂
<mmu_man> :)
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