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<nacelle> fut
<nacelle> doh
<rennj> think its all alphabetic order Skipp_OSX , why i had Aatools folder
<rennj> deskbar menu foobar
<rennj> deskbar and tracker/opentracker tweaking
<rennj> http://i.imgur.com/ESrswBz.jpg tracker tweaking the background tiling
<rennj> marble
<rennj> slayer another nice processes viewer app
<rennj> lnlauncher
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<rennj> hotlauncher
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<zeroability[m]> Hello
<jeremyf[m]> Hello
<zeroability[m]> I have some questions about the beta iso and an issue I am having with it booting properly if someone has time. It will sometimes boot up to the rocket ship and sometimes to a mouse cursor that doesn't move and eventually a kernel panic. I understand there is limited support for Radeon HD and dual monitors and I am wondering if that is the case. Any help would be appreciated.
<zeroability[m]> * I have some questions about the beta iso and an issue I am having with it booting properly if someone has time. It will sometimes boot up to the rocket ship and sometimes to a mouse cursor that doesn't move and eventually a kernel panic. I understand there is limited support for Radeon HD and dual monitors and I am wondering if that is the cause. Any help would be appreciated.
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<rennj> To enter the Boot Loader Options, you have to press and keep holding the SHIFT key before the beginning of Haiku's boot process.
<rennj> On computers that use UEFI for booting instead of the classic BIOS, you need to use the SPACEBAR instead.
<rennj> Use fail-safe graphics driver is what i would try zeroability[m], i.e. vesa graphics
<zeroability[m]> I will try that. Thank you. :)
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<nielx[m]> Coldfirex: the change in the userguide and welcome will be in this night's nightly, or in the RC1 of r1beta3 that will come out in the coming days
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<zeroability[m]> I tried both safe mode and failsafe graphics. Eventually I turned on debug output and it seemed to have an issue reading the install media. I made another boot disk using a different USB stick and it appears to do the same thing. The behavior seems to happen on USB 2 and 3 ports. Unless I am using dd incorrectly, I'm not sure what else to check.
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<Begasus> did you try whiping out all on the USB stick? (also partitions)
<Begasus> Had it a while back with one here, it already had a Haiku image on it and partitioned, had to whipe it all clean and use "imagecopywriter" (not sure about the name as it's in Dutch here :)
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<Diver> zeroability[m]: try entering KDL when it boots to the blue desktop and enter "syslog | tail"
<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports.cross] tqh pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JlInH
<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports.cross] tqh 99f1a09 - Use latest buildtools with ARM64 config
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<Not-5835> [haiku/website] HrithikKumar49 983f02d - GSoC 2021 Progress Update 3: Coding style checker bot for Gerrit (#535)
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<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JlIHA
<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 68ea128 - qemu: fix sub packages provides on secondary arch
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<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 905e1ad - rnnoise: add recipe
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<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports.cross] tqh pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://git.io/JlLIr
<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports.cross] tqh 4bdd102 - ICU 6.7.1 bootstrap, ARM64 only in recipe for now.
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<Begasus> k, another round on OCIO and OIIO on 64bit, should be good for OSL then
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<Begasus> nice colors nephele[m] :P
<nephele[x]> Of course :)
<Begasus_64> reboot
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<Begasus> k, checking ...
<Begasus> +10! it even seems to scroll faster
<nephele[x]> Why do some apps install to a subdir in Deskbar?
<Begasus> Ask the porters :)
<nephele[x]> I found one commit i can git blame to you :D it sais "revbump", but clearly you know everything about that port now!
<Begasus> The "initial" ones then :P
<Begasus> Only one I have here is the one for Qt
<nephele[x]> calligra office has subdir aswell
<nephele[x]> trying to build it without kemoticons, i don't want png emoji unecesarily...
<Begasus> ah, that was for the openexr version :)
<Begasus> put it in a sub package?
<Begasus> PROVIDES_emoticons=
<nephele[x]> put what in a subpackage?
<Begasus> then packageEntries emoticons $dataDir/emoticons ...
<Begasus> if they are not required for calligra to run*
<nephele[x]> kEmoticions is the dep, it is marked as required
<Begasus> ah :) didn't look so far (busy with oiio and curl now) :)
<nephele[x]> calligra docs sais for deps only "boost; qt 5.3; kf5 5.7 (not all of it)"
<nephele[x]> which is a bit vague.... also boost while using qt?
<nephele[x]> wierd
<Begasus> alpine doesn't list it as a dependency https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/community/x86_64/calligra
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<Begasus> boost not listed there also
<nephele[x]> devel:libboost_system$secondaryArchSuffix >= 1.70.0
<Begasus> ps, once OSL is ok krita will get a revbump also
<nephele[x]> *shrug*
<Begasus> ?
<nephele[x]> Doc sais it's a dep, and we have it as a dep, so eh
<nephele[x]> alpine doesn't show library names for deps :/
<Begasus> didn't check the build without boost
<nephele[x]> How can i delete stuff it puts in data/ ?
<nephele[x]> it puts some .desktop files there we will never use
<Begasus> did you click on the "Depends (49)" at that link?
<nephele[x]> Yes i did
<Begasus> most of our deps are listed there also
<nephele[x]> Yes, but no library names
<Begasus> "rm -rf
<nephele[x]> is there a way to split up the recipe so it makes calligra_words calligra_stage etc. and have "calligra" just pull those in? so we don't have to install all always
<Begasus> rm -rf $dataDir/* (replace * with what you want to remove
<nephele[x]> -r only makes sense if the star then wnts dirs :)
<Begasus> as you can see, Alpine already uses 2 subpackages
<Begasus> can't tell without looking what's inside there :P
<nephele[x]> Well, maybe they do.. but i was asking about our packages :)
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<nephele[x]> I don't really like the practice of making -lang packages, it's a bit "either you get english or you install /all languages/ if you are international"
<nephele[x]> Surely users only want to install languages they care about, maybe based on what is in locale prefs
<Begasus> not saying you should do it for a lang package :)
<nephele[x]> just an offhand thought :)
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<nephele[x]> >'NoneType' object has no attribute 'packageInfo'
<Begasus> threedeyes maybe likes the emoticons there :)
<Begasus> err ... long time since I've seen that one
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<Begasus> curl runs quite some tests
<Begasus> biab
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<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/JlLg4
<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 8726b1a - tg_owt: bump version
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<nephele[x]> huh, wondering why webkit calls get_timezone so oftten, wierd
<mmu_man> some internal logging with timestamp?
<nephele[x]> perhaps, but would it ask for the timezone again every time?
<mmu_man> formated time = timezone…
<nephele[x]> _user_get_timezone does user_strlcpy(userName, sTimezoneName, nameLength)
<nephele[x]> really seems to be just the timezone name :)
<nephele[x]> ah, it's probably for the display of the time in the file view... though still wierd that it needs to ask for each label and not once
<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+4/-4/±0] https://git.io/Jlql3
<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 2ff6d3b - Telegram: bump version
<Begasus> k, curl should be good to go
<Begasus_32> TESTDONE: 1420 tests were considered during 1271 seconds.
<Begasus_32> TESTDONE: 1125 tests out of 1126 reported OK: 99%
<Begasus_32>
<Begasus_32> TESTFAIL: These test cases failed: 116
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<Begasus> someone is busy :)
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<Begasus> cleaning some userguides before updating 32bit :)
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<Begasus> lazarus (nogui) build ... :)
<countryboy> writeln ('fine, begasus !');
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<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/JlldM
<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports] JakobDev a0f6e7c - jdTextEdit: bump version (#6091)
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<Begasus> checking a track on building lazarus for qt5 ...
<Begasus> in the meantime, checking a build for krita on 64bit
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<orealis> aaaaaaaaand we're back.. sort of.. I am at least.. partially.. still need to fetch a leg from the basement
<orealis> oo
* orealis hammers server
<orealis> oh
<orealis> boo.. need slower servers so they don't download so fast
<kallisti5[m]> lol. I have it pinned in a few places. IPFS will be an official mirror for releases, but we'll have lots of more traditional mirrors as well
<kallisti5[m]> I think this might be the last RC before final R1/Beta3
<kallisti5[m]> pro tip: RC1 might "become" R1/Beta3. If you check the sha256sum of R1/Beta3, it'll likely match
<kallisti5[m]> thus, you won't need to download it again. Just keep in mind someone could find a bug and we might issue a RC2 in a panic
<kallisti5[m]> also, don't spread this around... it just creates confusion ;-)
<orealis> hehe
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<Coldfirex> definitely not a blocker but should we consider looking at this one since its installer related? https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/17095
<Coldfirex> from a first impressions pov
<Vidrep_64> Looks like a regression in the Intel_extreme driver on Beta
<Vidrep_64> After updating, I now have to use VESA. Nightly builds still working OK
<kallisti5[m]> Coldfirex: I saw that. Honestly I think we're too far through the release cycle to fix
<kallisti5[m]> It's kind of a balance between severity and how far we are into the process
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<kallisti5[m]> with the final release < 1 week... my frame of mind at this point is showstoppers
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<kallisti5[m]> Vidrep_64: weird... r1beta3 has all the master intel_extreme patches
<kallisti5[m]> Vidrep_64: oh.. which beta release?
<kallisti5[m]> there was an app_server bugfix which dropped in RC1
<Coldfirex> kallisti5: 10-4
<Vidrep_64> hrev55181+51
<Vidrep_64> Everything was working fine until I updated this morning
<Vidrep_64> Same machine as nightly, just different partition
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<Vidrep_64> I could do a clean install using the newest RC image too see if it persists
<Vidrep_64> *to
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<Vidrep_64> kallisti5[m], I'm downloading R1/Beta3 RC1 now. I'll report back after I do a clean install.
<kallisti5[m]> You could just upgrade as well 😁
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<HaikuUser> kallisti5, everything is OK with Intel_extreme using a clean install
<HaikuUser> So, no regression :)
<kallisti5[m]> nice! Ok.. looks like that app_server cherrypick was a good call
<PulkoMandy> I had some issues with the intel driver being confused and ending up with an invalid config file, so maybe try deleting the config file (I think it's worspaces setting?)
<PulkoMandy> otherwise it tries to set an invalid video mode in some cases
<HaikuUser> It's odd that it stopped working after the last update. No way to go back now, since I've done a reformat and clean install
<HaikuUser> It's good enough to know there wasn't any last minute regression
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<Coldfirex> Trying to make a change to an existing wip gerrit change but it seems to be picking up a different change for some reason and is failing. I even tried deleting, pulling down all of the haiku sources, making my change, and redoing. Same issue. Notice any problems here?
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<jeremyf[m]> On translating credits, how are some real name and some nicknames?
<AlwaysLivid> Depends on whether the person discloses their real name or operate in a pseudonymous manner.
<AlwaysLivid> You can set your real name. If you don't, your username will be used instead.
<jeremyf[m]> Is it sufficient to add real name into gerrit account?
<AlwaysLivid> If you want. There's no real name policy.
<jeremyf[m]> Ah ok
<jeremyf[m]> I added it last day
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<PulkoMandy> it's not Gerrit that's used, it's your Pootle username
<PulkoMandy> if you want your name to be changed you can ask on the haiku-i18n mailing list if you are there. Or just ask here and I can fix it :)
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<jeremyf[m]> I forgot what is Pootle 😅
<jeremyf[m]> But you can fix it, thanks
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<jeremyf[m]> Oh my... I switched gerrit and Pootle
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<zeroability[m]> Regarding my install disk issue, Begasus suggested I wipe the USB sticks. I also revised my dd command to be more consistent with the documentation. I decided to try booting on my old Gateway notebook with a Radeon HD 4250 and Phenom II x2. There were no issues with booting Haiku and going to the live desktop. I will test it on my PC later today. My suspicion is the issue is similar to the UEFI issue reported in the tracker as a kernel
<zeroability[m]> panic. Since the notebook is legacy it might be a confirmation of that issue.
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<rennj> perhaps try legacy bios if you got that option rather than uefi
<rennj> phenomII x2, wonder how it compares to my amd a10 apu..
<rennj> i get 3.1Ghz on 1 of the 4 cores, but all 4 cores can run at 2.5Ghz till heat kicks in
<rennj> course 15watt apu vs 45/65watt part
<zeroability[m]> I will definitely try that kernel debug as suggested.
<Diver> do you have a picture of the panic?
<zeroability[m]> It's a Phenom II x2 N660 if you want to do a comparison.
<zeroability[m]> I don't have a picture but I will try to get one. I think the panic came up randomly as the frozen desktop comes up randomly.
<rennj> i owned a laptop with that cpu
<rennj> it burned itself out
<zeroability[m]> Haiku is a new experience for me.
<zeroability[m]> This one is still going strong. I did reapply thermal paste and replaced the pads, though.
<zeroability[m]> The original battery still mostly works. I think the plastics will get worse first.
<rennj> https://i.imgur.com/JBNH9.jpg ran haiku fine
<rennj> hehe
<rennj> nah that was like 65watt or something laptop
<rennj> this 15watt amd apu laptop much nicer
<rennj> i get 25C cpu temp at idle
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<rennj> ryzen 8core with 32GB ram is next craptop, i been waiting like 4 years almost
<zeroability[m]> I'm still using a FX-8350 on my PC.
<rennj> i dont want nvidia part
<rennj> ASUS ROG Strix Scar 15 (2021) Gaming Laptop, 15.6" 300Hz IPS Type FHD, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080, AMD Ryzen 9 5900HX, 16GB DDR4, 1TB SSD, Opti-Mechanica
<rennj> i want the Ryzen 9 5900
<rennj> doesnt have to be hx
<rennj> Ryzen 9 5900HS or HX probably my only choices
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<rennj> Compared to the 5900HX (up to 54 W), the 5900HS is configured with a TDP of 35 W.
<rennj> the igpu would be fine, dont need the nvidia part
<zeroability[m]> Framework is designing some interesting modular notebooks. If you don't have an issue with Intel.
<zeroability[m]> They plan on selling a DYI where you assemble the unit yourself.
<zeroability[m]> DIY*
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<zeroability[m]> If they offer AMD I'd be interested.
<rennj> i want nothing to do with intel
<rennj> i want to know why jim keller fled intel, he was only back for couple of months
<rennj> wintel,crapple,google can pound sand
<zeroability[m]> No clue. I have always just preferred AMD all the way back to 486-DX 4 days.
<rennj> amd64 vs itanium, glad amd beat intel to x64
<Coldfirex> rennj: he started his own company
<rennj> says joins A.I. chip startup
<rennj> Star chip designer Jim Keller has joined Tenstorrent, a Toronto startup that makes specialized computer processors for artificial intelligence.
<Coldfirex> some good articles\interviews if you are interested
<Coldfirex> Anybody have an idea on my git commit issue above?
<rennj> youtube has him doing interview with mit kid lex
<rennj> lex fridman gets all kinds of interviews
<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports] kallisti5 pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/JlPtD
<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports] kallisti5 6103186 - SavvyCAN: Add initial port of SavvyCAN
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<Begasus> going down, g'night peeps
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