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<TheLamb> Thanks!
<augiedoggie> does it need some feature of the nightlies?
<TheLamb> Nope
<augiedoggie> the haikuports buildbots always use the stable betas to build things
<augiedoggie> sorry, was talking to scanty
<scanty> augiedoggie, I don't believe so.
<scanty> it uses GameKit and MediaKit so far.
<augiedoggie> it shouldn't be a problem to develop using a nightly build
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<scanty> ok cool.
<scanty> thanks :^)
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<scanty> does Haiku have a hardware cursor?
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<augiedoggie> some of the drivers might, but that's not something i pay attention to
<scanty> gotcha. may run into an issue with bdirectwindow
* TheLamb having problems with the WI-FI, but after a short reboot it seems to work fine again
<TheLamb> why sometimes my wifi stops working???
<augiedoggie> heh, scanty https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/4356
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<TheLamb> Oh, welcome back my friend zard!
<zard> Ah, you're here again!
<zard> I see you've chosen a new name
<TheLamb> yea, i configured the OFTC server :)
<zard> Got your nickname registered?
<TheLamb> yep
<zard> btw, I'm considering getting somebody a board game for Christmas. Got any recommendations?
<puck_> TheLamb: fwiw, -NickServ- Nickname thelamb is not registered.
<TheLamb> Monopoly, it's a very fun game to play at anytime of the year imo
<TheLamb> and also it has a christmas version i think?
<zard> We have Monopoly already... I guess not much of a board gamer?
<TheLamb> you could get a Ludo, its quite-yes-quite-no board game proper of Argentina
<TheLamb> it plays kinda like Sorry but trust me is vay funnier to play imo
<TheLamb> *way
<zard> I have a board game like that already as well. It's been a long time since we've played it, though...
<zard> Risk is a nice board game, at least if you have the time to play it
<TheLamb> let me recommend you one more thing...
* zard starts working on Haiku-PyAPI, while monitoring the chat
<TheLamb> You could buy some deck of spanish cards and play the Escoba, wich is also another Argentinian game btw
<zard> Hmm, card games... that's an interesting idea
<TheLamb> You can find the instructions on internet, it may be in Spanish but i guess you could translate it
<zard> Or read it, if it isn't too difficult Spanish ;)
<TheLamb> well, if you like that way, its your decision
<zard> Eh, looks like it has instructions in English
<TheLamb> oh well, youre lucky at least!
* zard can barely code while reading the chat, as usual XD
<zard> How did you hear about Haiku?
<TheLamb> The first time i heard of haiku was on a video about lightweigth operating systems
<TheLamb> but i didnt cared until i watche the ActionRetro video
<TheLamb> So i thinked of giving it a try on my 2008 Asus EEE PC 900hd
<TheLamb> and now you see me using it!
<zard> Haiku likes to keep track of its media mentions
<zard> It seems there's a post on the forum for just about every video that gets published concerning Haiku :^)
* zard finished rolling back some faulty commits in Haiku-PyAPI
<TheLamb> well, you dont see a video talking about your obscure operating system everyday so thats worth of amaze ;)
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<TheLamb> hello ablyss!
<zard> And it seems it's good marketing. Maybe Haiku should sponser some videos lol
<TheLamb> But for what? Haiku is already being supported by the donators so sponsoring isnt something rlly necesary
<TheLamb> imo
<zard> To attract more users? I was talking about Haiku paying Youtubers to mention it. Of course, it was a joke
<TheLamb> Oh well! XD
<zard> There is no way that Haiku has the funds, and it's just in general a bad idea :)
<TheLamb> Yup, especially on a open soruce OS
* zard checks the time
<zard> Well, got to go, nice talking to you :)
<ablyss> Hi TheLamb
<TheLamb> Hello @ablyss
<zard> Uh oh, somebody joined
* zard decides to stay a bit longer :)
* TheLamb agreeds with zard's opinion
<zard> PS TheLamb, afaik, simply typing a person's name is enough to notify them, I think...
<zard> You got a notification/highlight from that, right?
<TheLamb> how do i use that?
<zard> Just type the person's name. TheLa... Your client likely also supports tab completion. TheLa[tab] = TheLamb
<TheLamb> oh ok
<TheLamb> thanks <zard>!
<TheLamb> oh sorry
<TheLamb> thanks zard!
<zard> PS, my client doesn't highlight messages from the name simply appearing somewhere in the message
<zard> My client highlights it if you do something more like this:
<zard> zard: Did you see my message?
<TheLamb> oh, and how i highlight a message?
<zard> In general, I'm not sure that there's much of a standard around mentions in IRC. It seems to vary based on client
<zard> TheLamb: Does your IRC client do anything special here?
<TheLamb> i'm using vision rn, how i do that?
<zard> There's nothing special you can do to highlight a message. It's up to the client whether it wants to do it or not
<zard> If you put "zard:" at the beginning of a message, my client highlights it for me
<zard> It seems people tend to get notified if there name appears anywhere in the string, though, so my client may be the exception for only highlighting when it's at the beginning
<TheLamb> what client are you using rn?
<zard> Anyway, got to go. Nice talking (or reading) with you!
<zard> irssi
<TheLamb> Chau, like they say on my country!
<zard> A terminal client. Ironically, I don't talk on IRC from Haiku, so I don't use Vision
<zard> Ciao!
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<TheLamb> so, ablyss, how are you today?
* TheLamb is waiting for /ablyss response
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<TheLamb> Hello AlaskanEmily! Welcome to the IRC!
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<TheLamb> Hello dpirate!
<TheLamb> Why you left the chat?
<ablyss> worked and now just sat down, fed cats, and myself. I had a hotdog for dinner and working on 2nd beer
<augiedoggie> heh, +1 on hotdogs for dinner :P
<ablyss> well, its called a "Good Dog" comes with all the fixings. served at a local brewery I sometimes walk to
<ablyss> I actually have two brats in the freezer I could of thrown on the grill but I wanted to go show my face at the brewery
<ablyss> support the local vibe and crew
<TheLamb> now i will eat a pizza for dinner, if somebody cares
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/5dd56c608a75...4af25ce7b378
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] PocketNerdIO 4af25ce - mame: Update to 0.261 (#9807)
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<ablyss> Oh pizza i yummy. Wife makes this extremely strange pizza "chips" made on flat whole wheat thin slices. She made it extra hot last night, I was on fire eating hot pepers.
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<ablyss> i've upgraded haiku to the qbit cpu range, and man my screensavers are amazing.
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/4af25ce7b378...6ed9f6a00720
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie 6ed9f6a - git-cola: switch to python 3.10 (#9809)
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<The_Ringmaster> good afternoon ladies and gents!
<The_Ringmaster> Anyone tinker with trying to get bizhawk running on haiku?
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<The_Ringmaster> seems to rely on mono which haiku doesn't have yet.. shame
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<waddlesplash> The_Ringmaster: we have .NET actually
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<trungnt2910[m]> .NET Core != Mono
<trungnt2910[m]> > If you download BizHawk this way, don't mix different versions, keep each version in its own folder. The runtime dependencies are glibc, Mono "complete", OpenAL, Lua 5.4, and lsb_release. **The .NET 6 Runtime (a.k.a. .NET Core) is not a runtime dependency**, only Mono. WINE is also not a runtime dependency. If you try to use WINE anyway then you're on your own.
<trungnt2910[m]> Especially if they're using some Windows-style UI stuff, such as libgdiplus or WinForms.
<waddlesplash> huh, ok
<waddlesplash> trungnt2910[m]: how'd you know I was talking about .NET? lol
<trungnt2910[m]> I got a ping when you included a link to my repo.
<waddlesplash> ah, well at least on IRC it looks like you joined right before posting
<waddlesplash> I guess you were idling here on Matrix and the bridge only joined you when you spoke?
<trungnt2910[m]> Yeah, I always leave a Matrix window open, so I actually am available here year-round.
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<coolcoder613_mac> Hello Begasus
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<Begasus> Hello coolcoder613_mac :)
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/6ed9f6a00720...566e6edc3670
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 566e6ed - qscintilla: switch to python 3.10
<Begasus> bugger, korli beats me to it :)
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 2 commits to master [+1/-3/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/566e6edc3670...f2cd0118c342
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 4fdccbc - retext: bump version
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli f2cd011 - jdtextedit: switch to python 3.10
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/f2cd0118c342...a148666c676c
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli a148666 - qutebrowser: switch to python 3.10
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/a148666c676c...1cacd79a177e
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 1cacd79 - jdreplace: switch to python 3.10
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/1cacd79a177e...684bad82a74a
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 684bad8 - picard: switch to python 3.10
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/684bad82a74a...c7695d744592
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli c7695d7 - fs_uae_launcher: bump version
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haiku/website] blacksponge 3ddb1b6 - style: improve color contrast for link
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haiku/website] Swangeon f59b974 - Upload Final Report
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 3 commits to master [+0/-0/±3] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/c7695d744592...9494adca7a18
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 2a8e27a - python_poppler_qt5: switch to python 3.10
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 5fd33da - qpageview: switch to python 3.10
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 9494adc - frescobaldi: switch to python 3.10
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/9494adca7a18...a63e28a0123d
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus a63e28a - kirigami_addons, new recipe (#9810)
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/a63e28a0123d...2d45d56d8581
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 2d45d56 - pyqt, move api to correct location (#9811)
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 1b640f6 - tg_owt: bump version
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/1b640f664943...e1f4b173a4c5
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli e1f4b17 - calibre: switch to python 3.10
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 2 commits to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e1f4b173a4c5...d3e6a1a41221
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 476e11b - libopenshot: switch to python 3.10
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli d3e6a1a - openshot: switch to python 3.10
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/d3e6a1a41221...91c30fd042d1
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 91c30fd - qutebrowser: add PYTHONPATH when building
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<Begas_VM> big update on this one, llvm17, qt5/qt6 ...
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/91c30fd042d1...a6732860a8de
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] TheZeldakatze a673286 - asio: new recipe (#9780)
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<Begas_VM> Building pyqt5 could take some time in this virtual machine ...
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/a6732860a8de...60a0c708af17
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 60a0c70 - syndication, new kde framework recipe (#9812)
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<augiedoggie> hm, seems like trac is having trouble
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/60a0c708af17...1d73725b1b66
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 1d73725 - draco: new recipe
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<jmairboeck> re draco: I guess I'll have to try building opencascade with that, it is one of its optional dependencies
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<waddlesplash> looking at the ports korli uploads can be a fun guessing game
<waddlesplash> is he building up to something big? or is he just adding smaller things just because?
<waddlesplash> augiedoggie: it was a bit off last night too, seems ok now
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/1d73725b1b66...3a2b6a6ffacb
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 3a2b6a6 - draco: fix copyright
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<Begasus> k, round * on building pyqt5 (should be good now)
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<TheLamb> Hello!
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<TheLamb> isnt that ascii art cool?
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<augiedoggie> that's extremely annoying
<TheLamb> why? I love ASCII art <3
<augiedoggie> paste it to a different channel
<TheLamb> ok, sorry!
<Skipp_OSX> do not paste multi-line text, except Haikus
<TheLamb> i regret the misfortune
<TheLamb> of my ascii art
<TheLamb> that will not happen again
<TheLamb> like that?
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] c678ffc1395a - remote_disk_server: dos2unix line endings; no functional change
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 6ce8dc888f27 - remote_disk_server: Fix incorrect format size on 64-bit
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/3a2b6a6ffacb...14abd0eb1693
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 14abd0e - pyqt5, fix references on moving the api (#9813)
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<Begasus> closing down, cu peeps!
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<BrunoSpr> hello all
<BrunoSpr> is it save to update now
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/14abd0eb1693...6d6f0411dfd7
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli 6d6f041 - minizip: missing devel dependency
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/6d6f0411dfd7...a5fac32b632b
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli a5fac32 - freexl: new recipe
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<Lunovus> Hi there, are there any tutorials/guides/hints on kernel debugging?
<Lunovus> Apart from learning the kernel debugger and build a kernel with kernel tracing enabled?
<Lunovus> How do I log infos to file from kernel level?
<Lunovus> To invoke the kernel debugger at a specific location i call debugger()?
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<PulkoMandy> No, you call panic()
<Lunovus> OK, what does calling debugger() do? Start a GDB?
<waddlesplash> debugger() is a userland function
<PulkoMandy> debugger() is for userspace, I think? And results in the dbug_server dialog asking if you want to start a debugger or save a debug report or just kill the app
<waddlesplash> acts like a breakpoint, opens crash dialog if no debugger attach
<Lunovus> OK, so panic() it is
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<Lunovus> Any hints on writing to debug log from kernel level?
<Lunovus> Maybe use serial output to talk to something on host while running as guest in a VM?
<Lunovus> Are there any guides on that?
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<Anarchos> waddlesplash i think i will render the settimeofday of interlisp a noop on haiku
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<Anarchos> sadly, Launchbox doesn't navigate wiith keyboard.
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<waddlesplash> Lunovus: dprintf()
<waddlesplash> Anarchos: ok
<Lunovus> Is that the standard dprintf() or something special to the kernel?
<Lunovus> I mean I would not expect for the standard version to work on kernel level
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<waddlesplash> Lunovus: most standard C functions are available in the kernel
<waddlesplash> at least the ones most commonly used
<waddlesplash> dprintf() in the kernel is more like printf() elsewhere though, it just goes to serial line (not like POSIX dprintf which is something else)
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<Lunovus> Does syslog() works from kernel level?
<Skipp_OSX> heyo
<Lunovus> Ah, found it, it should
<waddlesplash> Lunovus: no, probably not?
<Lunovus> Huh?
<waddlesplash> Lunovus: dprintf() goes to both serial and syslog.
<Lunovus> Every call to syslog() or log_thread/team() will pass a message to the server containing information about what should be written to the log and with what options. The message is not a BMessage, but a plain data structure that can be created without any knowledge about BMessages. That is needed, because the service is used by the kernel as well.
<waddlesplash> yeah, but IIRC this isn't implemented for the kernel
<waddlesplash> yes it is used by the kernel
<waddlesplash> for dprintf(), not syslog()
<Lunovus> So that dprintf() is different from the standard POSIX dfprint() that writes to a file descriptor?
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<PulkoMandy> Yes, there is a ticket about renaming it (to kprintf or maybe just printf) but no one has sent a patch yet
<Lunovus> Ah, great
<Lunovus> Damn, I overlooked that comment from waddlesplash regarding it being different
<Lunovus> No wonder I didn't get it
<Lunovus> Is "serial_debug_output true" set by default in ~/config/settings/kernel/drivers/kernelß
<Lunovus> ?
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<Lunovus> Seems to be turned off in the beta
<Lunovus> Ah, the nightlies have is on
<Lunovus> That should help a lot
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