<Ellenor>
(ofc, "here" is province level up in BC, in Canada - the last time I was in vancouver was like most of a decade ago, but from sparse reports it hasn't really deteriorated, other than housing prices mooning)
<Ellenor>
but this is super political, let's go to -offtopic
<augiedoggie_>
scanty: it's usually not a problem to develop on nightly builds but if you distribute binaries then they should be compiled/linked on the latest beta
<scanty>
okay cool. i also found a bug in processcontroller, do i need to recompile the whole OS to fix it? i'm pretty sure it's a simple fix.
<PetePete>
I'm good. Don't need to tlk about it. I was just venting
<augiedoggie_>
no, you can tell jam to build specific targets and test it
<augiedoggie_>
but if you want to replace the existing one then you'll have to rebuild the main haiku packages
<scanty>
yikes, well can i explain the bug and a proposed fix, and someone who's more able can fix it?
<augiedoggie_>
you can open a ticket on trac
<augiedoggie_>
i hardly ever submit code to the main project
<scanty>
i see.
<augiedoggie_>
what's the bug? there are a number of open ones for processcontroller already
<scanty>
it happens when you right click on a running process, for example
<scanty>
you can see the alert it obscured by the deskbar
<augiedoggie>
do you have FFM turned on?
<PetePete>
Maybe we can all get a nap before the hours of noise begin
<scanty>
no
<augiedoggie>
must be the "always on top" deskbar preference
<scanty>
that I have set.
<augiedoggie>
'cuz the alert works fine for me but i have that turned off
<scanty>
i think the easiest fix would be to call BWindow::CenterOnScreen.
<scanty>
ah I see.
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<augiedoggie>
certainly it shouldn't overlap the deskbar but i think i'd still prefer it to be in that corner
<augiedoggie>
or wherever the mouse currently is after clicking on the team
<scanty>
is there a way to force the alert to be on top of Deskbar, then>
<augiedoggie>
i'm not sure
<scanty>
is this a documented bug?
<augiedoggie>
i'm still looking
<scanty>
cool, thanks
<augiedoggie>
i don't see that specific one, but there are some others dealing with deskbar and alerts
<augiedoggie>
seems worthy of a bug report to me
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<scanty>
can you report it, or alternatively show me how?
<augiedoggie>
you'll have to go through the whole registration process and stuff at https://dev.haiku-os.org/
<augiedoggie>
to create an account
<scanty>
yikes.
<OscarL>
"00:05 <augiedoggie_> i hardly ever submit code to the main project" /me finds that a bit puzzling... considering that you are so clearly, far, FAR more stilled that I am :-) (in any case... I love all the work that you do augiedoggie!)
<augiedoggie>
i'll create aquick one
<lebrancess[m]>
so appimages doesnt work on haiku
<lebrancess[m]>
?
<OscarL>
s/stilled/skilled/, lol!
<lebrancess[m]>
augiedoggie:
<OscarL>
lebrancess[m]: no.
<scanty>
augiedoggie, can you report it for me in that case?
<lebrancess[m]>
why haiku so useless
<lebrancess[m]>
devs do something
<lebrancess[m]>
is mesa already finished with 3d acceleration?
<scanty>
oh god, this guy again.
<scanty>
lebrancess[m], you really have no idea how much work it takes for a small team of people to create an operating system from scratch.
<OscarL>
lebrancess[m]: assuming you are not a troll (yourself mentioned that your behavior here would have already have had you banned already on other channels)... are you OK? Too little or too much meds?
<scanty>
maybe right before the alert is called, we can move deskbar to the background temporarily, show the alert, and then after the alert is done, restore deskbar
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<augiedoggie>
this could easily turn into a bikeshed, i'll let the devs figure it out :P
<scanty>
hehe okay :^)
<scanty>
was just thinking aloud.
<OscarL>
bikesheds? on MY Haiku? Never! :-P
<augiedoggie>
the alert could be centered, the alert could be moved just a little, deskbar behavior could be changed
<scanty>
yeah, it seems there are a few solutions.
<lebrancess[m]>
<OscarL> "lebrancess: assuming you are not..." <- never gonna give you up
<OscarL>
Not trying to be insensitive here, on the contrary. But if you are not just playing (silly games for a 23 y/o)... you DO sound a bit "too intense" for your own good.
<andreasdr[m]>
Arrr. Mighty Haiku Pirates. Happy New Year.
<OscarL>
HNY andreasdr[m]!
<PetePete>
YARR!!!
<scanty>
haha OscarL it took me about 5 minutes to realise what HNY meant!
<OscarL>
scanty: just picked that one up today from Begasus... and I'm lazy typing so... :-D
<scanty>
:^)
<andreasdr[m]>
Yarrrrrr.
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<scanty>
hi AlienSoldier
<OscarL>
BTW scanty... were you usint that nick in 2003-2005 on BeShare? because it does sounds familiar :-)
<scanty>
OscarL, yes
<AlienSoldier>
Hi Scanty
<scanty>
OscarL, you were Bipolar, right?
<OscarL>
scanty: Noice!
<OscarL>
Exactly, lol!
<scanty>
:^)
<scanty>
do people still use BeShare?
<AlienSoldier>
I so when i need to share files
<AlienSoldier>
*do
<OscarL>
I do from time to time, but it is mostly only AGMS and Atrus' clone: Buttler now :-D
<scanty>
i see. looks like here is the place to be.
<AlienSoldier>
Once i get illimited internet and reliable good uptime haiku i will hang there all the time
<OscarL>
bbjimmy tends to hang in there as well :-)
<AlienSoldier>
I wonder if it is me having Falkon running most of the time or reliability issue but haiku hang all the time now
<AlienSoldier>
Perhaps Falkon make the fault happen faster
<scanty>
are you on the latest hrev?
<AlienSoldier>
57475
<scanty>
one thing i noticed about all the browsers is that they eat a lot of memory
<AlienSoldier>
yep, sometime i have the "low ressorce manager" taking full cpu load and it stay that way.
<AlienSoldier>
Only netsurf seem to play nice
<coolcoder613_mac>
Or dillo?
<OscarL>
browsers can't eat too much RAM if I only assing 2 GB to the VM! /me taps head! :-P
<AlienSoldier>
Other than lacking lot of feature, netsurf feel haiku compliant and feel like completed software.
<scanty>
i don't think i've tried NetSurf yet.
<scanty>
i tried all the other ones, each having it's own set of problems
<AlienSoldier>
Netsurf is good for low requirement site.
<AlienSoldier>
And it have it's problem, but not lag crash or hang
<OscarL>
NetSurf can't even show text input boxes on my (2010) router UI :-(
<scanty>
wow.
<scanty>
WebPositive is decent.
<scanty>
Otter is pretty good, too
<OscarL>
my issue with NetSurf is not Haiku specific even. Same thing on the latest version on Win10.
<AlienSoldier>
Now would be a good time to use AI to convert all webpage to something more streamline.
<scanty>
you can make pretty small websites if you use a lot of css
<AlienSoldier>
OscarL netsurf is better integrated on RiscOS, but not really having more compliance.
<scanty>
virtually eliminating tables
<OscarL>
I LOLed when noticed that the Lagrange "gemini://" browser required SSE4 :-D (managed to get that disabled for Haiku, so old PCs can access a supossedly light weight protocol :-D)
* OscarL
wonders... are tables really a problem? I used A LOT of nested tables to do some crappy page layout in the early 2000s, for BePascal (I had zero idea of what I was doing, LOL)... and it worked FAST even on Opera 3.6 on BeOS.
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<scanty>
just take meds, and everyhting is OK :)
<PetePete>
OscarL I LOVE the old internet
<OscarL>
we come in all sort of colors/sizes/craziness :-D
<scanty>
indeed
<scanty>
i was on lithium for a while, many years ago.
<OscarL>
scanty: I'm sadly intolerant to most meds, lithium included, FML :-( (I'm too poor for them anyway, so.... I just have to weather the rough patches :-D)
<scanty>
gotcha. i know what it's like. i've been on probably a million meds until they found some things that worked.
<OscarL>
PetePete: at the risk of sound too much like an old man (even in my mid 40s)... yeah... 2000s internet was AWESOME.
<scanty>
late 90's was fun too.. when i discovered BeOS
<OscarL>
First time I got online was in 1997 or 1998. Got BeOS PE R5 on one of PC Magazine imported from Spain :-) (the ones that came with CDs full of software for you to try).
<scanty>
i had a friend in NL who sent me a BeOS 4 CD
<OscarL>
*"on one of those PC Magazines" (sorry for my crappy English)
<scanty>
OscarL, your english is very good.
<OscarL>
Thanks! I grew it all by myself :-P!
<scanty>
:^)
<OscarL>
I think I got that magazine issue about 6 months later than its original date. By the end of 2000 / early 2001, I was a BeOS convert :-D
<scanty>
i learned c++ from BeOS
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<OscarL>
I learned good CVS/SVN commit message practices from early OpenTracker/OpenBeOS devs :-)
<scanty>
ah cool
<scanty>
i was using rcs at that time
<scanty>
then moved to cvs, then git
<scanty>
i don't remember how to use any of them anymore though
<scanty>
it's been many years
<AlienSoldier>
ZXtune crash when changing tracks
* scanty
has fond memories of bebits
<OscarL>
Thanks to what I learned from OpenTracker/OpenBeOS... I ended up doing some "skunkwork" (while being a trainee/intern) by using Trac/SVN even against company wishes... which got me promoted to full time, LOL.
<scanty>
nice
<OscarL>
BeBits was AWESOME!
<scanty>
indeed
<scanty>
it was fun going there every day to see what new software was available
<OscarL>
indeed! Talkback comments were my daily fix!
<scanty>
yeah, those were fun
<scanty>
first thing i ever published on bebits was an aac codec
* OscarL
squints trying to find augiedoggie's shameful past mistakes :-P
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<augiedoggie>
earlier than me too
<scanty>
wow that brings back memories
<OscarL>
augiedoggie: that helps with the bisect, thanks! :-P
<augiedoggie>
i'm ~1/2 of yours
<scanty>
i dont' remember getting such nice feedback!
<augiedoggie>
but it doesn't list all my apps for some reason
<augiedoggie>
i had at least 4 more
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* OscarL
still remembers mmu_man commenting "SpicyKeys can do this" on my KeyCursor page, and /me feeling down about it (because no... KeyCursor WAS better on that particular use case :-D)
<OscarL>
"Just use SpicyKeys, you can bind key combinations to mouse move by the amount you want, and clicks." <<< what a buzz kill!
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<OscarL>
:-D /me still a bit sore about that one, if you can't tell :-P
<AlienSoldier>
ZXtune bug filed
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<scanty>
hmmm no more tycomsystems anymore?
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<scanty>
just downloaded beshare.
<PetePete>
is there a desktop clock?
<scanty>
demos -> clock
<scanty>
in haiku menu
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<PetePete>
Oh I found it (it's under Demos.) Thanks!
<PetePete>
Oh,you said that
<PetePete>
Too much alcohol!
<scanty>
haha
<scanty>
i did all my drinking last night.
<scanty>
hoepfully i can wait out the 2 hours or so until new year's
<OscarL>
scanty: use "beshare.agmsmith.ca" as BeShare server.
<scanty>
ah, okay. Thanks OscarL
<OscarL>
AGMS... another "vintage" user :-P
<B2IA>
(binky) hi all.
<OscarL>
damn binkies!
<B2IA>
(scanty) haha
<B2IA>
(scanty) man, i remember when we had lots of people here, a long time ago
<PetePete>
command to show memory like "free"?
<augiedoggie>
sysinfo -mem
<PetePete>
Thank you
<B2IA>
(BiPolar) There are (half a) dozen of us!
<PetePete>
I'll hang out
<scanty>
any ideas when the next beta will be released?
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<PetePete>
HAIKU HAS BORG?!?!?!????
<B2IA>
(BiPolar) mid 2024 perhaps?
<B2IA>
(BiPolar) depends on people volunteering to coordinate the release, I guess.
<B2IA>
(BiPolar) pkgman search -D borg > 1.2.6 it seems.
<PetePete>
And Featherpad
<PetePete>
nice
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<PetePete>
And Lucky Backup
<B2IA>
(BiPolar) I rather use Koder for a lightweight editor (if Pe is too old-school for you) but... at least you have options :-D
<PetePete>
and PCManFM!!!
<PetePete>
*walks through the candy store with wide eyes
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<B2IA>
(BiPolar) PCManFM... that one seems to feel really at home on Haiku somehow.
<PetePete>
It's one my favorites
<B2IA>
(BiPolar) 3dEyes' work on Qt's Haiku plugins makes many Qt apps feel nicer on Haiku than on Linux (IMO, at least :-D)
<PetePete>
Haiku would be absolutely killer with ZFS
<B2IA>
(BiPolar) alright... bedtime. Nice chatting with you all. Happy New Year PetePete, scanty, augiedoggie, et al! :-)
<scanty>
mmm, maybe you can do a FUSE plugin for it.
<scanty>
Good Night BiPolar/OscarL Happy New Year!
<PetePete>
Thank you
<PetePete>
Same to you
<Al2O3>
B2IA when was it that there were lots of people, and what was the count?
<PetePete>
Can we port World of Padman to Haiku and have epic LAN parties?
<PetePete>
Plank would also be realy nice
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<PetePete>
pcmanfm can't mount remote filesystems (no gvfs)
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<zdykstra>
ZFS is neat, but it'd be a tough sell getting all the BFS features bolted on top of it
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<Begasus>
HNY peeps!
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<win8linux[m]>
<OscarL> "Hey... PetePete could be another..." <- I could also be another <del>guinea pig</del> tester for this, as I only have AMD CPUs at the moment.
<PetePete>
I'll test it if nyone has time to set it up for me
<PetePete>
anyone*
<PetePete>
zdykstra Fair enough. Even the ability to create and manage zfs pools (not the system drive) would be cool
<PetePete>
Any way to adjust scren brightness on laptop?
<Begasus>
not if you are running in VESA mode PetePete
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<win8linux[m]>
<PetePete> "Any way to adjust scren brightne..." <- Using your keyboard, it might be possible.
<humdinger>
Happy New Year everybody!
<win8linux[m]>
Even if Haiku doesn't show any brightness settings, you may still be able to change brightness via keys.
<humdinger>
Anyone around that wants to finish the 5% of the Italian translation of KeyCursor before I do a release?
<jmairboeck>
and Icon-O-Matic allows defining multiple transformers for each icon, one type of transformer is this, another one is the existing "affine" transformation. What I was curious about is what happens when combining multiple of these transformers together for one shape.
<PetePete>
_Dario_, is that a real life name? I mean, is that a human name (not necessarily yours)?
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<PetePete>
_Dario_ wondering if I recognize you from other IRC channels. What projects do you hang around in?
<PetePete>
My old handle is Taime1 and Autobox
<_Dario_>
'Dario' is an human name,yes (and is my real one too)
<_Dario_>
I guess you are confused with some other Dario. I almost use IRC only for Haiku channel :)
<PetePete>
Gotcha
<PetePete>
I miss my freenode frens :(
<PetePete>
R.I.P. Freenode <3
<_Dario_>
about your issue with PCManFM: looks like PCManFM port is not much usable at this point.
<_Dario_>
If you want an alternative file manager, I tried 'Dolphin' and is more usable
<_Dario_>
(at least, have the right associations to open text and image files)
<augiedoggie>
you could just use the 'open' command and let the system figure out which app to open it in
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi there.
<andreasdr[m]>
Happy New Year also.
<Begasus>
HNY there too :)
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<_Dario_>
augiedoggie: that will not work. He is trying to use PCManFM file manager. Not the standar Tracker.
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<Begasus>
PCManFM also doesn't seem to save if you change the default app to open files
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi there Begasus! HNY! May the port be with you :DDD
<Begasus>
Hi there andreasdr[m], may the speed be with you :)
<BrunoSpr>
HI all,
<andreasdr[m]>
Why speed?
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi BrunoSpr.
<Begasus>
because of the lag andreasdr[m] :)
<BrunoSpr>
Happy new Year, andreasdr[m], Begasus
<Begasus>
HNY BrunoSpr!
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<andreasdr[m]>
Hopefully waddlesplash s TCP improvements help with that. Will test later.
<andreasdr[m]>
HNY BrunoSpr.
<Begasus>
on R1B4 (and wifi) so wont notice it hear
<Begasus>
here*
<andreasdr[m]>
Ah I see.
<andreasdr[m]>
I have a VM here with Nightly.
<Begasus>
that I have also, but don't boot it that much
<andreasdr[m]>
Usually downloading from FreeBSD ISO files was around 1-3MB whereas on Linux its 10MB or 20MB or even 30MB. That was the case. Let me test again later.
<andreasdr[m]>
Per second.
<andreasdr[m]>
Here in my flat.
<Begasus>
yeah sounds about the same here
<andreasdr[m]>
:)
<Begasus>
k, 'nough cavepacker for today ... it's back up and running
<PetePete>
augiedoggie I''ll try that
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<augiedoggie>
_Dario_: i'm aware of that, that's why i recommended /bin/open
<PetePete>
_Dario_ (stupid underscore lol) I have a handful of file managers installed. Krusader is aight. They all work about the same. Dolphin was my least favorite years ago but I'll try it too.
<PetePete>
The yellow Haiku theme reminds me of the original bling theme on e17, which I also nostalge over
<PetePete>
I used 'nostalge.' Whatchu finna do about it?
<PetePete>
augiedoggie "open" does not save (as someone also mentioned)
<andreasdr[m]>
I have 11MB/s download from FreeBSD.org and NetBSD.org. Yeeeehaaaaaa.
<andreasdr[m]>
Thats a huge improvement.
<PetePete>
Oh, _Dario_pointed that out(I am super slow this morning, guys)
<andreasdr[m]>
Sorry, this was not a sophisticated test, just some download in WebPositive. But looks great. :)
<PetePete>
Dang. I love PCMan, mayne.
<andreasdr[m]>
On Linux I also "only" have 10MB/s.
<andreasdr[m]>
100%!!!
<Begasus>
closing down here, cu peeps!
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<andreasdr[m]>
See you!
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<PetePete>
andreasdr[m] and what exactly are we downloading from *BSD sites? Ha...? (I'll wait.)
<andreasdr[m]>
The ISO files.
<andreasdr[m]>
NetBSD 9 and FreeBSD 14 for amd64.
<andreasdr[m]>
It was just a basic speed test.
<PetePete>
*cough* traitor *cough*
<andreasdr[m]>
HTTP/FTP Download Test.
<andreasdr[m]>
Just looking. I just remembered the speed when I was trying last time and redid the test.
<andreasdr[m]>
:DDD
<PetePete>
*clicks on Microsoft.com/Windows11* I'm just looking, dudes.
<PetePete>
:P
<andreasdr[m]>
Haha.
<andreasdr[m]>
You funny.
<PetePete>
I'm tired.
<PetePete>
And avoiding work
<andreasdr[m]>
I am usually on Linux since a few years. But had a Haiku machine, that I needed to switch to Linux also. Ill switch back to Haiku on this machine. Waiting a bit for 3d accell. Once we have some sort of 3d accell, ill try to use Haiku as a 100% daily driver.
<andreasdr[m]>
BeOS/Haiku Lover here since 20 years.
<andreasdr[m]>
Grab some sleep :DDD
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<BrunoSpr>
n8
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<PetePete>
I'm using Haiku as a distraction. I've been teribly nostalgic for the old *nix OSes lately and most of them don't even run anymore, even in a VM because of stuff like missing repos and the "modern" web. I just wnna fire up Kubuntu from 2007 and play WoP and switch to e17 for funsies... Theme my XFCE and /Gnome3 logins and crack out on custom icon sets et al...
<andreasdr[m]>
:)
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<PetePete>
I'v been dying to give Haiku a go and I'm so glad I finally did... It is WAY more equiped than I expected and while it doesn't stand a chance at being a daily driver for me (encrption and ZeroTier), it takes a HUGE load off my main workstation and adds a little fun and excitement <3
<andreasdr[m]>
I was on FreeBSD also many years and many years on NetBSD. But my current computers are to new for FreeBSD and even NetBSD.
<andreasdr[m]>
Haiku is indeed fun.
<PetePete>
My keybaord misses keystrokes. I swer I'm not retarded
<B2IA>
(AGMS) Hi bipolar, hi OscarL from BeShare! Happy New Year too to everyone.
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi there B2IA
<andreasdr[m]>
HNY
<AlienSoldier>
Hi AGMS!! happy new year
<B2IA>
(AGMS) HNY andreasdr, AlienSoldier!
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<B2IA>
(AGMS) By the way, B2IA is the BeShare to IRC bridge server, which just relays messages from one to the other.
<PetePete>
"I AM... THE SHREDDER!"
<B2IA>
(AGMS) But who is the Baron?
<PetePete>
oof... I ono
<B2IA>
(AGMS) (Shredder was the default computer network name for Haiku I think, and Baron was a default user name in BeOS)
<PetePete>
Why can't I add an alias in Vision? Dis sum boo!
<B2IA>
(AGMS) Anyway, seems like a good time of year to clean up my inbox. :-)
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<PetePete>
Best image editor for Haiku? Krita?
<PetePete>
Haikue kinda reminds me of Zen (one app per task, where the best apps are chosen as defauts, but with repos of course)
<AlienSoldier>
YAKReader seem to open pdf comic but don't remember them (you you can't continue to read from where you left. Work with .cbr that said.
<PetePete>
I need a better keyboard
<augiedoggie>
krita is probably the most advanced but also the heaviest, but the native image editors like wonderbrush and artpaint do ok
<BrunoSpr>
keyboard, me too in need of a good one: white, with backlight, and god keys
<augiedoggie>
i just need to clean my keyboard, it's getting a bit funky
<AlienSoldier>
Ho, no it work, you need to open the pdf and not drag it on the windows. Seem teh file reac differently to both loading :)
<PetePete>
augiedoggie thanks
<PetePete>
ArtPaint it is
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<AlienSoldier>
we have 9.8.2 and 9.13 is out
<AlienSoldier>
still talking about YAKReader
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<AlienSoldier>
Ho, that is interesting. Seoncd time i get that weird bug, opening soundplay also open YAKRreader. Last time this happened it was with different apps
<nephele>
I don't understand how it can be a security issue that this is possible, currently the entire design is build around this functionality. Click a link in a textview. BAM -> Bmessage send to a newly launched app
<nephele>
so how is this possibility a security issue?
<AlienSoldier>
In your exemple you want it to launch, not in my case. I never wanted those to launch in a batch command
<nephele>
Yes, and? how is this a security fault?
<AlienSoldier>
Because depending of what an app do, you may NOT one to have one happen before the other
<augiedoggie>
that sounds like a bug in the app
<nephele>
Again: without this functionality the OS would not work, how is this a security bug?
<nephele>
if an app launches a second app you did not want this is a bug in the application, there is no way the OS can know if this was user intent or not
<AlienSoldier>
nephele imagine the problem i have would be be directional, the comic read app would also launch soundplay. In 2 sec i would have a computer freeze.
<AlienSoldier>
*if the
<nephele>
No, you wouldn
<nephele>
't
<AlienSoldier>
*bi-directional
<nephele>
the launch_roster would not allow it
<nephele>
That is also not a security issue but a ressource exhaustion issue, and purely hypothetical
<AlienSoldier>
nephele in any case, any idea how soundplay actually do this?
<_Dario_>
that is weird. I have both installed (SoundPlay and YacReader) and cannot reproduce the issue
<nephele>
I don't know, do you mean SoundRecorder? I don't have SoundPlay
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<nephele>
also, what is the issue you see, only in tracker?
<AlienSoldier>
it is soundplay doing this curently
<nephele>
or also if launched from Terminal
<AlienSoldier>
will try from terminal
<nephele>
What is SoundPlay? I don't have it installed and it's not in haikudepot
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<_Dario_>
SoundPlay is a BeOS application
<AlienSoldier>
nephele the marco mp3 player
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<AlienSoldier>
old R5 app
<AlienSoldier>
does the same launched from terminal
<nephele>
Okay. I don't have a 32bit system so cannot reproduce it, but you can launch it with debugger stepwise to see when it does this maybe
<nephele>
other than that. dunno. open a ticket i suppose?
<AlienSoldier>
only installed yacreader yesterday, so i did not hit the bug before today.
<nephele>
hmm, yacreader is already packaged wrong, it contains linux icons
<nephele>
and .desktop file
<_Dario_>
AlienSoldier: when you open soundPlay, you already have some playlist that is automatically loaded?
<AlienSoldier>
_Dario_ yes
<nephele>
yacreader has file associations for severall files
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<nephele>
perhaps it sees some file and thinks that it needs to be opened by yacreader
<_Dario_>
maybe on that playlist there is some file that is not a sound file?
<AlienSoldier>
I will try to open it with a flushed playlist
<AlienSoldier>
ho, could it be that the comic reader took over as "prefered player" could music album cover jpeg trigger oppening it?
<_Dario_>
sound posible
<_Dario_>
*sounds possible
<nephele>
yacreader adds severall mimetypes to applications/ that should not be there
<AlienSoldier>
show image don't launch other app so far
<_Dario_>
if you remove the cover jpeg file from the playlist and load it again?
<_Dario_>
the issue dissapears?
<AlienSoldier>
in any case, something is wrong there :)
<nephele>
it adds data/mime-db/application/x-vnd.yacreader but also "tar" "rar" etc, which makes no sense
<AlienSoldier>
_Dario_ still open 2 instance of the comic player, and 2 more then i close soundplay. (even without playlist init)
<AlienSoldier>
*in it
<AlienSoldier>
did happened before with another app that was lunching but i can't remember what it was.
<nephele>
if that is fixed maybe this problem will dissapear
<AlienSoldier>
nephele tar and rar make sense as i think .cbr are just compressed jpeg archive.
<AlienSoldier>
can also open pdf
<_Dario_>
really weird issue
<_Dario_>
if you remove the playlist? Just open SoundPlay without any playlist?
<_Dario_>
maybe the Playlist file got asociated with YacReader? after all, they are just textplain files
<nephele>
AlienSoldier: there is already an mimetype application/x-rar
<nephele>
but yacreader ships application/rar
<AlienSoldier>
ok
<nephele>
with no significant content
<nephele>
it should not do this, it should use the already existing mimetypes for those
<AlienSoldier>
_Dario_ yes does wthe same with nothing i the player (when there is text in the player instead of a track)
<AlienSoldier>
*i = in
<nephele>
(otherwise you could have a rar file assigned this "different" mimetype and only yacreader sais it can open it)
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<lebrancess[m]>
guys btw how bad is vaping?
<lebrancess[m]>
I like that this channel allows off topic
<PetePete>
Vaping's terrible. Dry snuff is where it's at. Buy or grow your own organic, then grind it and mix with chocolate and baking soda etc. Enjoy.
<nephele>
one way electric vape cigaretes beeing allowed in the EU is a crime against nature, they are one time use while containing rechargeable lithium batteries
<PetePete>
nephele s'what I'm talmbout right there
<PetePete>
Vaping as a technology is cool but it's impractical and really not better for you lungs
<PetePete>
your*
<AlienSoldier>
One thing i know, pure air is good for health.
<AlienSoldier>
nephele when i launch soundplay in terminal i get WARN about a bunch of thing and i see reference to opengl and "QSurfaceFormat:" class, this is QT stuff (the comic player is QT. All in the launch instance of soundplay... does that mean that it is treated as a replican of soundplay!?
<nephele>
it can't be treated as a replicant, a replicant means that an application is loaded as another library into an applciation, seems extremely unlikely to happen accidentally with a qt application that doesn't implement this
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<andreasdr[m]>
Cool.
<AlienSoldier>
in any case i am stumped
<AlienSoldier>
nephele if i quit soundplay the verbose i the terminal where i started soundplay does not return to terminal prompt, it continue to message/streamout info a bout the comic reader. Like if there was a memory link (Aera) or overrun buffer of some kind.
<AlienSoldier>
*in the terminal
<nephele>
this just means that yacreader is attached to the same terminal session stdout/stderr
<AlienSoldier>
ok
<nephele>
same happens if you do something like "yacreader &"
<nephele>
which launches it in "the background" giving you the session back, but will continue to send messages
<nephele>
can you use the terminal? for example type "ls"
<nephele>
and see if it executes that command
<nephele>
or is it locked completely?
<nephele>
in any case, open a ticket on dev.haiku-os.org I don't have soundplay to try and reproduce it :g
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<AlienSoldier>
nephele it goes back to prompt, i missed the arrow. But the comic player launch right back and use that same window terminal
<AlienSoldier>
nephele you can get it on beshare from AGMS if you want.
<AlienSoldier>
will try to uninstall it and reinstall to see if it make any difference
<AlienSoldier>
with it uninstalled soundplay act nornally, will now try a re-intall
<AlienSoldier>
dang, those 2 are linked again :)
<nephele>
Yes, but i do not have a 32bit system :)
<AlienSoldier>
i have the most aaaawwwwssssoooommmmeee haiku bugs :)
<_Dario_>
what YacReader package version do you have?
<_Dario_>
9.8.2-2 ?
<_Dario_>
I have SoundPlay and installed YacReader to try to reproduce the issue, without luck
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<AlienSoldier>
soundplay is 4.7.3
<AlienSoldier>
_Dario_ yacreader is indeed 9822
<AlienSoldier>
AMD cpu if it matter
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<AlienSoldier>
i wonder if the link could coem from a virtual memory (paging) corruption
<AlienSoldier>
*come
<AlienSoldier>
is there a checksup made on it?
<AlienSoldier>
*checksum
<nephele>
seems unlikely
<nephele>
again, please open a ticket
<nephele>
:)
<AlienSoldier>
will do later :)
<AlienSoldier>
starting to think about doing video of my bugs :)
<AlienSoldier>
comme on lady and gentlement enter the tent of marvelous curiosity, only 50cent per persons! :P
<erysdren>
oh hey i didn't notice that haiku met its funding goal for 2023!
<erysdren>
hell yeah!!!!
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<erysdren>
PetePete: i've never heard of BENUAMP, looks just like my beloved WINAMP
<erysdren>
is it any good?
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<erysdren>
ohhh its qmmp lol i'm dumb
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<PetePete>
erysdren haha. Yeah, I was confused too but it turns out that particular skin places an image on the title bar (its name, which is BENUAMP theme)
<erysdren>
does it come with that skin on Haiku by default?
<PetePete>
And yes... xmms is a very good clone of Winamp :D
<PetePete>
erysdren yep!
<erysdren>
cool
<erysdren>
unfortunately haiku is still missing stuff i need daily and haven't ported myself yet
<PetePete>
qmmp... whatever the flavah
<erysdren>
i did port a few games in 2023 though
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<PetePete>
I understand. I have all these exra laptops laying around and none of my hardware is particularly powerful, so I m using it as a load balancer; It's doing some of the heavy lifting to free up my workstation :)
<erysdren>
i ported Quake (1996) via the QuakeSpasm sourceport, Ken's Labyrinth (1993) via LAB3D, and a QuakeC compiler named FTEQCC
<erysdren>
i also ported a bunch more stuff that i never quite finished, so i didn't push them to haikuports :P
<PetePete>
It's surprisingly robust and feature rich (all the stuff I use anyway.) But... without full disk encryption and some unreasonable tools like ZeroTier and a mainstream browser, I can't use it for work.
<erysdren>
i was meaning to bring over more Quake sourceports and Rise of the Triad (1994) but never finished the work there
<PetePete>
But I hate using my work comp for fun and far too many "fun" OSes just end up being clones of my work comuter (Antix, Mint, MX, Debian, Puppy etc)
<PetePete>
They're too similar. Haiku takes me back to the days of elive and Kubuntu (before kde4) and LXQT and Fluxbox... *sigh*... AND it comes JUST equipped enough to be USEFUL! (without becoming a work computer. And with no encryption, it's not ALLOWED to leave the kitchen counter and I cannot do anything work related on it! HA!
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<lebrancess[m]>
hey
<lebrancess[m]>
mesa any updates?
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<PetePete>
Just opened my last two Christmas gifts - wife got me some damn nice smelling cologne and a hand lotion. I'm impressed.
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<coolcoder613_32>
Good morning
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<PetePete>
Good morning
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<vdamewood>
PetePete: It puts the lotion on the skin or else it gets cologne again.
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<PetePete>
vdamewood I fail to see the problem with either option )
<PetePete>
:)
<PetePete>
I wish I could turn the brightness down on my screen. It's absolutely killing my eyes haha