<Al2O3>
seems this video is about cmos battery being dead as well, but lovely condition
<coolcoder613_mac>
I'm having a hard time opening it up
<Al2O3>
not sure where the cmos is locatd
<Al2O3>
a lovely brick
<Al2O3>
cd only, and floppy, and two memory card ports, are your speaker grills worn out?
<Al2O3>
screen brightness issues, or hinge issues?
<coolcoder613_mac>
I got it without the screen, so no screen or hinges
<Al2O3>
oh, man, a lappy without screen.
<coolcoder613_mac>
speaker grills are fine
<Al2O3>
are you serious?
<Al2O3>
5 bucks, I would pass.
<Al2O3>
:)
<Al2O3>
move along, next up
<coolcoder613_mac>
a few keys don't work
<Al2O3>
lol, well, good luck.
<coolcoder613_mac>
i use it plugged in to a monitor
<Al2O3>
yah, well, there you go.
<coolcoder613_mac>
(it has a VGA port)
<Al2O3>
yes it does.
<Al2O3>
not a bad thing, just not much other than novelty
<Al2O3>
I have done the same, not worth time in the end.
<Al2O3>
but, hey, find the CMOS and good luck replacemeint.
<coolcoder613_mac>
Think of it as a portable desktop with a touchpad
<Al2O3>
I think of it not worth my time :)
<coolcoder613_mac>
On the plus side, the battery still works
* OscarL
hides his Atom N455 netbook without screen, and broken keyboard. Shh... you still have value to me!
<coolcoder613_mac>
;)
<OscarL>
I plan to use it as a VERY slow haikuports buildmaster :-D
<coolcoder613_mac>
And it was 5 AUD, which is 3.28 USD and 3.05 euro
<OscarL>
(or as my main machine if my Phenom II kicks the bucket)
<coolcoder613_mac>
Besides, the admittance fee itself was $3
<Al2O3>
Its great to have old school stuff being tested/testing haiku.
<Al2O3>
however, the reality is most people that want an OS, desktop or lappy, want a fast lappy. Kudo for backward regression testing.
<coolcoder613_mac>
I like OSes, and i like them on hardware
* OscarL
being poor as f. Yeah... regression testing, right!
<OscarL>
:-)
<Al2O3>
lol
<Al2O3>
well, someone has to do regression testing
<Al2O3>
and I'm pretty sure on the hardware level it ain't the lead testers, or developers.
<Al2O3>
So, its great to have old hardware guys and gals doing it!!!
<Al2O3>
or its, thems, theys, or whatevers.
<Al2O3>
:)
<coolcoder613_mac>
When i asked ChatGPT about it it said: You must mean 64GB of RAM and a 4.8TB Hard drive
<coolcoder613_mac>
xD
<Al2O3>
oh that is golden
<OscarL>
Python 3.12.1, unoptimized, parallel build... 11 minutes, wish the optimized one was that fast :-/
<Al2O3>
yah, cause very chatbot answer I ever got made sense.
<Al2O3>
overnight builds of 10 packages, lets hope all work.
<Al2O3>
Wouldn't hardware emulators be ideal on super hopped up hardware?
<coolcoder613_mac>
In full:
<coolcoder613_mac>
It seems there might be a mistake or misunderstanding in the specifications you provided. As of my last knowledge update in January 2022, it's highly unlikely that a modern laptop would come with only 64 megabytes (MB) of RAM and a 4.8 gigabyte (GB) hard drive. Such specifications are extremely outdated and would not be suitable for running contemporary operating systems or software.
<coolcoder613_mac>
If you meant to say 64 gigabytes (GB) of RAM and a 4.8 terabyte (TB) hard drive, those would be more reasonable specifications for a modern laptop. However, even a laptop with those specs would be quite high-end.
<coolcoder613_mac>
If the specifications are indeed accurate, you may have purchased an older or used laptop that may not be suitable for many modern tasks. It's recommended to check the specifications carefully and consider your computing needs to determine if the laptop will meet your requirements.
<coolcoder613_mac>
Please double-check the specifications, and if there's still confusion, you might want to contact the seller or Acer support for clarifi
<Al2O3>
lol
<Al2O3>
call Acer
<Al2O3>
and complain
<Al2O3>
see if they will send you out a new lappy for your AI troubles.
<coolcoder613_mac>
New one won't run BeOS
<coolcoder613_mac>
And this one is perfectly fine for word processing etc
<coolcoder613_mac>
And win2k is a favorite version of windows
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<coolcoder613_mac>
Reminds me of a joke: Computer scientists like to solve problems. If there are no problems handily available, they will create their own.
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<OscarL>
Begasus: That Acer Aspire 5610 doesn't looks too bad... until you see the CPU TDP :-D
<Begasus>
It was used a lot back then OscarL, now only boots up once in a year I think :P
<Begasus>
15.4" screen (no native resolution)
<OscarL>
Yeah... I was just comparing it to my old Atom N450 based netbook, your's is around 35-50 % faster, but it uses WAY much power :-)
<Begasus>
Should be good enough for checking some things, not anymore for compiling
<OscarL>
Nice screen thou!
<Begasus>
2CPU's Intel 1.66GHz
<Begasus>
cmos is outdated, date mentions 1 June 2005 :P
* OscarL
needs a new CMOS battery as well for this netbook.
<OscarL>
Alright! both Pythons done on 64 bits buildmaster! Noice!
<OscarL>
32 bits: "
<OscarL>
all builders lost" :-/
<Begasus>
yeah, since yesterday :/
<OscarL>
Seems it tried to pick the latest recipes today: "Mon Dec 11 2023 04:26:16 GMT-0300", but still no luck :-(
<Begasus>
yeah, yesterday it started with the updated qemu recipe that way
<Begasus>
objcopy: '/packages/wxgtk-3.2.4-1/.self/lib/libwx_baseu-3.2.so.0.2.1': No such file
<Begasus>
almost there :)
<Begasus>
it's nice when patchests don't need to be re-created :)
<OscarL>
Indeed. Python 3.11.7 applied cleanly. 3.12.1 didn't (wasn't too hard to fix, thou).
<Begasus>
yeah, saw it :)
<OscarL>
Darn libedit gave parse errors on GCC2, nice to have some examples of how to fix it from a fellow from Belgium! :-)
<Begasus>
oh, how's that? :P
<Begasus>
mine are not as good as others :)
<OscarL>
good enough for me to follow along :-)
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<Begasus>
is there anything specific I could do to testdrive the libedit PR OscarL?
<OscarL>
Other than seeing if apps that need libedit keep running after installing it... or building with the updated _devel package...
<OscarL>
can't think of much else.
<Begasus>
lol, I see you took the easy patch for 32bit too :)
<Begasus>
k, same thing I mostly do here also
<OscarL>
Some apps have a bad line-editing experience, specially those that say that support libedit, but in reality, are only ever tested with libreadline (or only with libedit on Linux)
<OscarL>
and sqlite3 seems to not even have taken libedit into account :-D
<OscarL>
but as waddlesplash mentioned, the needed packages/versions are stored elsewhere. I think that's the "repository" that sometimes needs updating (same with my gutenprint changes still wating on Gerrit)
<OscarL>
s/wating/waiting/
<Begasus>
probably those cross build ones?
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<OscarL>
the thing is... it is not clear to me what Haiku component *actually* requires (links to) libedit.
<Begasus>
I know there is a "thing" for the libedit vs libreadline library :)
<Begasus>
iirc something related to license
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<OscarL>
I even ran: "for f in ls /system/lib/*so*; do readelf -d $f | grep libedit ; done", same with /system/bin/, checked what I could find.
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<Begasus>
and?
<OscarL>
(I borked that bash syntax, sorry... wrote that from memory)
<OscarL>
didn't found much.
<OscarL>
and tested the ones that came up...
<OscarL>
and some from `ir libedit`
<OscarL>
ir -> inrecipe
<Begasus>
ah :D
<Begasus>
readelf: Error: '/system/lib/libpmjni.so': No such file
<OscarL>
I *think* the correct is/was: "for f in $(ls /system/lib/*so*) ; do readelf -d $f | grep libedit ; done"
<Begasus>
I'm guess it's a broken link
<OscarL>
mmm, but I also added an echo...
<OscarL>
"for f in $(ls /system/lib/*so*); do echo $f && readelf -d $f | grep libedit ; done" <<< that should do it (and allow you to keep track of what's what :-D)
<Begasus>
readelf -d /system/lib/*.so* | grep libedit .... should do also?
<OscarL>
yeah, but you might get lost on what file that line refers to.
<OscarL>
(at least *I* got lost :-D)
<Begasus>
I see atleast 2 with broken links :)
<Begasus>
a library in /system/lib that links to one in /system/develop/lib?
<OscarL>
reminds me of my previous life as an Embedded Software QA minion... finding bugs in totally unrelated things. Every. Single. Time.
<OscarL>
any way to call that on purpose? (to test the newest libedit version)
<PulkoMandy>
it seems you can start "Debugger --cli"
<Begasus>
I think jmairboeck forgot to fix that version for the update on the libpmjni package :)
<OscarL>
Thanks PulkoMandy.
* OscarL
facepalms after using `Debugger -h` :-)
<OscarL>
Begasus: `Debugger --cli AboutSystem` seems to work just fine with libedit-20230828
<Begasus>
I wouldn't know what to look for I guess OscarL :)
<OscarL>
Just that it starts normally, and that you have a properly working line-editing/command-history functionality.
<OscarL>
I haven't really used a debugger since my Delphi 1 days :-D
<Begasus>
Once in a while I look at it ... scratch my head, and close it again :P
<OscarL>
Begasus: try "help", and "moving around" on both the line and up/down on the commands (arrow keys).
<OscarL>
you shouldn't get AAADDDBBCC or the like (like you'll get on the sqlite3 prompt, for example)
<Begasus>
seems to work ok
<Begasus>
ah, those, nah good here
<Begasus>
biab, dogs :)
<OscarL>
With these tests, I declare libedit.so 20230828 good to go! :-P
<OscarL>
PulkoMandy: silly question... is Debugger built with GCC2 on 32 bits? (I'm trying to find out if the gcc2 version of libedit could be dropped)
<PulkoMandy>
looks like it is, there is no MultiArchDirSetup or similar thing in the jamfile
<PulkoMandy>
why would we want to drop libedit? I think the goal was to use libedit instead of libreadline everywhere, they are supposed to be API compatible but libedit is under BSD license instead of GPL
<OscarL>
Not drop libedit, just the GCC2 version.
<PulkoMandy>
but people keep using libreadline anyways in haikuports and now we have two libraries doing the same thing :(
<OscarL>
it keeps needing patches for GCC2 parsing errors.
<OscarL>
I was trying to see if we could just get away with the _x86 version on 32 bits.
<PulkoMandy>
most apps in Haiku could be moved to gcc13: Debugger, Haikudepot, ...
<PulkoMandy>
it only need some changes to the jamfiles
<OscarL>
Alright! I'll try to learn enough and see if I can do that (at least for Debugger :-D)
<Begasus>
list of recipes using lib:libreadline isn't that big, maybe I could run some checks there to see to switch them to use libedit
<Begasus>
but I see bash being one of them?
<OscarL>
(I was using libeditline.so in 2005 for my version of /bin/poke. GPL always rubbed me the wrong way :-P)
<OscarL>
they aren't exactly "drop-in replacement" level of compattible, sadly.
<OscarL>
not sure if due to difference in libreadline vs libedit, or differences on tty/key presses/console handling between Haiku and Linux/BSDs
<OscarL>
LOL... from an email I sent to AxelD with the bin/poke sources: "On Win I'm currently using readline because I can't get editline to compile."
<Begasus>
lol
<OscarL>
And..."On BeOS I'm using editline because I can't get readline to link properly." :-D
<OscarL>
"On DOS I could not use any of those..." --- I ended up half-assing a really crude version on my own, but had too many edge cases.
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 33365c2a0d7f - AbstractSocket: do not bind AF_LOCAL socket when connecting
<jmairboeck>
I also noticed today that opencascade 7.8.0 was released, the tagged commit is from 6th December, but I think they added the tag a few days later.
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 6fe3a560bd59 - radeon_hd: tell ATOMbios that we handle brightness control
<Begasus>
early xmas present? :)
<jmairboeck>
but I want to build that first on Windows before I try updating the Haiku package, apparently they changed their build system (and use vcpkg now or something)
<Begasus>
vcpkg, isn't that windows only?
<jmairboeck>
I'll have to build it for Windows for work anyway, and that way I get a bit more familiar with their build system :) (like I did before)
<jmairboeck>
vcpkg is technically cross-platform, but not on Haiku (yet)
<Begasus>
+1
<jmairboeck>
and I'm not sure how much sense it would make on Haiku (or any system with a decent system wide package manager IMHO)
<Begasus>
no 7.8.0 reported yet on repology :)
<Begasus>
Usualy the Arch people are pretty fast there
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<OscarL>
Skipp_OSX: (re: delete vs deletion) as my "English" is painfully/poorly self-taught, I didn't dare to leave a comment on Gerrit about it. BTW... Thanks for your work on Haiku :-)
<OscarL>
As Begasus, I'll get all your latest changes after switching to beta5 :-)
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<Skipp_OSX>
generally actions are verb + noun e.g. Show replicants or Enable type-ahead filtering. So in the case of Confirm delete the verb is Confirm and the noun is delete, but delete is not a noun it's a transitive verb, so you're technically correct with Confirm deletion even if it doesn't sound quite as good since deletion, unlike delete, is a noun.
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<Skipp_OSX>
Of course on BeOS it said "Ask Before Delete" so they weren't any better.
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