<Al2O3>
what I've been working on while awaiting the 6502 stuff
<Al2O3>
I'll call it Mango6502ComeInMango
<Al2O3>
:)
<scanty>
nice... what exactly am I looking at?
<Al2O3>
exactly, fresh mango puree, then some 46x~360 or so arils per pomegranate puree, and then a near final phase of a primary fermentation of pommies only, and then a combined with mango and pommies
<Al2O3>
aka, mead
<Al2O3>
honey, water, yeast, and fruit, or a melomel
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<scanty>
mmm looks like it would be good if it were really really cold
<Al2O3>
I'm gonna call it 6502-lda,x
<scanty>
hehe
<Al2O3>
anyway, its really good now, only 5 days in, which is amazing.
<scanty>
I made hard cider once a few years ago.
<Al2O3>
and I doubled it up with another load of puree, and then going to cold crash it so it stays sweet.
<scanty>
cool
<Al2O3>
I make cider and cysers (mead version) with 500-600 lb of free apples nearly every year. Built a 20 ton press, etc.
<Al2O3>
did you like what you made?
<Al2O3>
or was it too acidic (typical)
<scanty>
wow neat. it came out a bit acidic.
<scanty>
but it was decent for home made stuff
<Al2O3>
yah, typical of apple anything.
<Al2O3>
you can balance it easily and make it go from 2.9-3.4 pH to 3.6-4.0 and very drinkable.
<scanty>
i don't think i'm going to be making any more.
<Al2O3>
next time, take a reading, get some potassium bicarbonate and apply and wait 1-2 days, taste and test, repeat and rinse.
<Al2O3>
:)
<Al2O3>
oh, sorry to hear that, but hey, no biggy.
<Al2O3>
at least you tried.
<scanty>
yeah, it was fun
<Al2O3>
its very very typical to have acidic cyser, cider, ro otherwise apple stuff.
<Al2O3>
its a hoot.
<Al2O3>
I have my 4 neighbors and I do it for an entire day.
<scanty>
it was like borderline apple cider vinegar
<Al2O3>
oh, well then it did vinegar.
<Al2O3>
that is also typical.
<scanty>
ah
<Al2O3>
without stabilizing, and without some base balancing it works that way.
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<Al2O3>
but nothing wrong with apple vinegar, just cook with it, or do pickling with it.
<Al2O3>
anyway, cool you did it.
<scanty>
yeah, you can clean things with it, too
<Al2O3>
yep, sure can.
<scanty>
it was a cool experiment
<Al2O3>
and add baking soda and make propulsion 'rockets'.
<Al2O3>
yah, its always fun to talk to folks that do some fermentation, once, or more.
<Al2O3>
the funny part, for me, is those that don't, are doing it anyway in their gut.
<scanty>
hehe
<Al2O3>
so keep on keeping' on.
<scanty>
indeed i will :^)
<Al2O3>
I'm interested, you know where I'm at, my nick, and happy to play with the emulator.
<Al2O3>
very interested.
<scanty>
it'll be ready this weekend
<Al2O3>
and if you ever need some pointers on fermenting juices, honey, grapes or other fruits, I'll help.
<scanty>
wow nice.
<scanty>
mango would be awesome
<scanty>
i love mangos
<scanty>
mangoes(sp?)
<scanty>
i would love some kind of frozen mango cocktail thingy
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<Al2O3>
I love mangos as well, a bit acidic but not bad at about 3.8-4.0, usually 14-16 brix % sugar, and a wonderful color that is often lost with others more red.
<scanty>
ah
<scanty>
i like guavas a lot too, but they are hard to find.
<Al2O3>
I have never brewed/fermented with guavas, unless you are talking about guava that is nearly a pure sugar without any nutrients.
<Al2O3>
I tried guava recently, and in Liquid Culture found it very poor performer.
<Al2O3>
Here are two photos of a test batch next to each other on my stir plates.
<Al2O3>
honey is viable LC (liquid culture) for mycelium, and I can say 20% so with agave.
<Al2O3>
not sure guava is the same, but its maybe?
<scanty>
agave is a type of cactus, i believe
<scanty>
it's sweet
<scanty>
cactus fruit is awesome
<Al2O3>
oh, and guava is a fruit
<Al2O3>
yes.
<Al2O3>
well, agave is super sweet, lacking nutrients.
<Al2O3>
totally 'useless' for growing medium
<scanty>
i think tequilla is made with agave
<Al2O3>
yep
<Al2O3>
basically a garbage sugar plant when harvested.
<Al2O3>
not much to it.
<scanty>
ah, didnt' know that.
<Al2O3>
however, some of its properties as oligosaccharides are good for you unprocessed.
<Al2O3>
like aloe, maybe
<Al2O3>
what is a good video free hosting site, I have a video you will ike to see of agave and honey LC on stir plates
<Al2O3>
easy peezy, no sign up
<Al2O3>
videofree.com?
<Al2O3>
:)
<scanty>
hrm, i have no idea
<Al2O3>
do you have DCC?
<Al2O3>
I can try and send you the file, its a 2 meg mp
<scanty>
should, but it many not work.
<Al2O3>
mp4
<scanty>
give it a shot
<Al2O3>
I do too,, but yes, may not work here.
<Al2O3>
ok
<Al2O3>
trying to DCC to you now, awaiting acceptance.
<Al2O3>
DCC used to be neat, now broken or ignored in clients
<scanty>
hrm, it didnt' work.
<scanty>
i'm not surprised.
<Al2O3>
yah, cancelled
<Al2O3>
sadly me too.
<Al2O3>
I think DCC is dead
<Al2O3>
was a neat thing maybe in the past, but not sure why exactly it died.
<scanty>
yeah, it's been dead for a long time -- i can't remember the last time it actually worked.
<Al2O3>
:)
<scanty>
maybe in the days before broadband
<Al2O3>
in the 90s I used it all the time, was cool.
<scanty>
yeah
<Al2O3>
well anyway, its mead, and fun to make, and cider/cysers are easy peezy as well, just have to know apples are acidic, and clean processing makes for good cider (hard or not) and dirty makes vinegar.
<Al2O3>
now, back to my regularly schedule programming
<scanty>
hehe
<scanty>
Al2O3, you're not on windows by any chance, are you?
<scanty>
oh, and macos
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<Al2O3>
Old MacOS
<Al2O3>
MacOS from the start, up to and through System 7, 8, and 9, and NS/OS, then OSX and to 10.6.8 where I stopped.
<Al2O3>
actually on the LisaOS :) as well
<Al2O3>
owned one of those for a few months.
<Al2O3>
working and bought one via company discount, 4999.99 or something, and got news it was going retail from 10K to 5K or so, and dumped it.
<Al2O3>
insider knowledge, glad I sold.
<Al2O3>
as you know, sales sucked.
<Al2O3>
just like the Crapple ///
<scanty>
no, i just wanted to mention that the 6502 stuff won't run on windows. i know it works on freebsd and linux
<scanty>
probabaly works in haiku too.
<Al2O3>
works likely on most systems, but windows. Love it.
<Al2O3>
unless maybe if you have some linux overlay on windows.
<Al2O3>
I think there is such a thing
<Al2O3>
used to use it
<Al2O3>
cygwin?
<Al2O3>
would be worth a try, I have not used cygwin on windows for eons.
<Al2O3>
I guess you could try on linux with a vm, running windows, or just dual boot.
<Al2O3>
cygwin is pretty neat, at least at a superficial level.
<Al2O3>
yah, forgot you were not going to mess with the 32 bit
<Al2O3>
can windows work on amd at all?
<Al2O3>
or is it an intel/sista thing?
<scanty>
yeah AMD runs.
<Al2O3>
meaning, they only want to be with their family and friends, not amd cause of M$haft big bro
<Al2O3>
oh, but not 64
<Al2O3>
got it
<scanty>
with like 8 cores
<Al2O3>
8 cores, amd, an nothing bigger?
<scanty>
AMD cpu runs
<Al2O3>
that is nuts.
<Al2O3>
doesn't amd have 8+ cores?
<Al2O3>
like huge core count?
<Al2O3>
I'm ignorant, I'm on 2x cpu with 4 core each
<Al2O3>
and to me that is modern, along with its being 12+ years old now.
<Al2O3>
heats the room in winter :)
<scanty>
you have 8 cores?
<Al2O3>
I do
<scanty>
wow'
<Al2O3>
2x xeon processes, 4 cores each
<Al2O3>
have 4 of them, 3 idle, and this oen.
<Al2O3>
bought them for 100 each nearly 4 years ago, upgraded xeons, and memory, total about 200 each.
<Al2O3>
with upgrade video cards.
<Al2O3>
was a hoot to do.
<scanty>
ah. i have 4x xeon
<Al2O3>
single core, or 2-4?
<Al2O3>
so you have 8 or 16 cores?
<scanty>
8
<scanty>
4
<scanty>
sorry
<scanty>
hehe
<Al2O3>
:)
<Al2O3>
I have Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X5365 @ 3.00GHz
<Al2O3>
that is the biggest/fattest that the MacPro could go, I have 1,1 'cheese graters', and flashed them to 1,2, upgraded all to 32 gigs, and max video
<Al2O3>
they are quite, stable, do distributed everything (compiles, processing, video, audio) and more.
<Al2O3>
it was a stupid thing not to do it.
<Al2O3>
800 bucks total, and about 2 weeks of learning and doing CPU orders, video swaps, flash upgrades, etc.
<Al2O3>
been now I think 4 years, and I don't see going anywhere else.
<Al2O3>
solid, but they suck juice, and they heat the room.
<Al2O3>
I only use these in the winter.
<Al2O3>
good thing coal is cheap
<Al2O3>
oh wait, these 2006 machines, so they are now almost 18 years old.
<Al2O3>
:)
<Al2O3>
runs 10.6.8 solid, and I have about 200K of licenses for this OS from the past 25 years, so its hard to let go of that knowledge, functionality, and familiarity.
<scanty>
4x Intel Xeon E-1225 V2 at 3.19GHz
<scanty>
1 core.
<Al2O3>
on what kind of hardware, Pavillion?
<Al2O3>
or some IBM?
<Al2O3>
lappy, desktop?
<Al2O3>
I'm desk bound, and love it.
<scanty>
HP Z220 Workstation
<Al2O3>
I'm much more productive, comfortable, and can listen to tunes really loud if I want :)
<scanty>
i usually always have something on when i'm at the computer.
<Al2O3>
big phat monitor/s?
<Al2O3>
I tune out nearly all the time, either streaming or capturing and echo, or from the 32 TB NAS
<Al2O3>
want to jump to 64 maybe 128 TB
<Al2O3>
not quite ready yet.
<Al2O3>
have had this NAS for 15 years, and 3 drives failed, no total failure (Thank God)
<scanty>
no i have a normal screen
<Al2O3>
right now capturing as I do every week for 15 years, SomaFM
<Al2O3>
I get all kinds of shit for free curbside, and on one system I have 4 monitors, 60 dollar 'tree' for them, and all the same acer
<scanty>
22" Sun (samsung i think) LCD Monitor
<Al2O3>
17", its sick stupid what folks toss.
<scanty>
nice.
<Al2O3>
this is on a 2015 pavililion that was 'broke' and given to me, installed mint 17.3 and have been there with it since. Machine has RGB for one monitor, HDMI for aother, and USB->HDMI converter for the 3rd
<Al2O3>
its my mobile setup :)
<scanty>
i have this screen for a while with no issues.
* scanty
knocks on wood
<Al2O3>
If you get on freecycle, and put out 'will take your tech trash', you will be amazed at what you see, refuse to take on arrival, and get for nothing.
<Al2O3>
there is no requirement to take shit for free, or otherwise, so I go and see, and take what I want.
<Al2O3>
its like thrifty shopping without douchebags like me, and I pick and choose, and say thank you.
<scanty>
yeah, reminds me of a long time ago when we would go "shopping" for PC parts
<Al2O3>
right
<Al2O3>
did auctions for 4 years, governmental.
<Al2O3>
and they were mental at the end in 2003 and 4
<Al2O3>
that is when everybody and their uncle and aunt showed up.
<Al2O3>
before that in '98 and 99 it was like me and my buddy, and 4 others.
<Al2O3>
hauled literally trailers of shit for free, wish I had not gold stripped it, but hey.
<scanty>
i used to build pcs for a while.
<scanty>
for custormers.
<scanty>
it was fun for a little while, but then it got boring.
<scanty>
i think part of it is that i'm not really much of a gamer.
<Al2O3>
yah, PC building from about 96 onward (castle wolfenstine … quake … whatever ID put out, … now stuff) has been pretty much 'I shot the cherif'
<Al2O3>
and I could get no dignitfy
<Al2O3>
:)
<Al2O3>
I have never been much about 'gaming', which is fundamentally training kids to shoot others.
<scanty>
we got our parts (where i worked) from this shady store in chinatown
<Al2O3>
welcome to the club.
<Al2O3>
what isn't shady about chinatown.
<scanty>
hehe
<scanty>
good food if you know where to look.
<Al2O3>
how long did you build?
<Al2O3>
alley cats, and moofs.
<Al2O3>
:)
<Al2O3>
but I like korean, chinese, and all you can snarf buffet.
<Al2O3>
value added bloatware.
<scanty>
let's see.... somewhere around 2000
<Al2O3>
go from 32 waist line, to 40 in no time.
<Al2O3>
yah, sucks to talk about 1/4 of a century ago, right?
<scanty>
yeah, i always feel really full after chinese food
<Al2O3>
I feel greazzy after all buffet
<Al2O3>
like I'm some white mexican chinese deliver these kinda of eater.
<Al2O3>
T7s were the shit for off grid decades ago, and now maybe still used for nearly free if you know how to 'recharge' them, aka, clean them up and chemically make them right
<Al2O3>
unless batteries short, they are good.
<scanty>
so you think it came with bad batteries?
<Al2O3>
either plates bent, or the fluids dried out, or there what a short and no inline fuse to blow.
<Al2O3>
yes.
<Al2O3>
its the most common thing
<scanty>
i see.
<Al2O3>
12 volt or otherwise inline fuse to ground/negative is imperative.
<scanty>
i'll take a look at it tomorrow.
<Al2O3>
if not, you risk fire, explosion, or death.
<scanty>
it says the battery is good.
<Al2O3>
might be, maybe there is a ground fault.
<Al2O3>
which is a problem, and simple solution if the battery is not defective.
<Al2O3>
deep cycle batteries often ahve when moved, or otherwise poorly constructed have plate faults.
<Al2O3>
if that is the case, then just replace the unit.
<Al2O3>
sometimes systems have 100s of units
<Al2O3>
even 1000s
<scanty>
okay i'll play with it this weekend
<Al2O3>
just find the faulty unit, and replace it.
<Al2O3>
:)
<Al2O3>
shorts suck, that is why good quality batteries are worth money, install and move along :)
<scanty>
true
<Al2O3>
well, have a great weekend, hope to be 6502 emulating soon, and of course TY for your time and energy on this and other stuff!
<scanty>
sure, have a pleasant evening
<Al2O3>
TY, you too
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<Begasus>
g'morning peeps
<Al2O3>
good day
<Al2O3>
sunshine.
<Al2O3>
what ups?
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<Begasus>
Hi there Al2O3, running tests on skrooge atm
<Al2O3>
nice what is skrooge, some software thingy majiggy
<Begasus>
let's see if I can get this palepeli to run on KDE 0.93.0 :)
<Begasus>
KDE/KF5*
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<Begasus>
whoops ... 5.93.0 :P
* OscarL
took way too much time to figure out that you create a new Genio project by "opening" a folder after using "Project->Open Project" :-/
<Begasus>
not a case of RTFM? :D
<OscarL>
is there a manual? :-P
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<OscarL>
.genio file has no filetype.
<Begasus>
time for upstream issues
<Begasus>
bugger ...
<OscarL>
After I familiarize with it a bit, sure!
<Begasus_32>
Could not find a configuration file for package "ECM" that is compatible
<Begasus_32>
with requested version "5.100.0"
<OscarL>
Opening "haiku" in Genio takes quite a while... (UI freezes)
<Begasus>
set (KF_MIN_VERSION "5.91.0") that should work ..
<Begasus>
haven't tried that yet OscarL :)
<OscarL>
doing "Git->Log" was a bad idea :-D
<coolcoder613_32>
'Evening
<Begasus>
Hi coolcoder613_32
<OscarL>
'lo coolcoder613_32 :-)
<Begasus>
jikes ... waiting for package ... :/
<OscarL>
Just used "Go to definition". from an input_server device addon, to "class BInputServerDevice {" in InputServerDevice.h. NOICE!
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<Begasus>
so, kpalapeli it is for the build :)
<Begasus>
think haikuporter has an issue with the alphabet? :P
<OscarL>
how so?
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<Begasus>
it chockes on "palapeli" but is ok with "kpalapeli"
* OscarL
needs to learn how to tweak clangd's settings, so it searches for Haiku's headers under haiku/headers and not from the system installed ones.
<Begasus>
had to use "atenacity" to checkout "tenacity" build the other day
<OscarL>
"chokes" as in...? any particular error message?
<Begasus>
waiting for package * to be activated
<OscarL>
oof.
<Begasus>
I think diver mentioned it at haikuporter already as a local "fix" to get the build started
<OscarL>
All in all, Genio 2.0 looks really nice!
<OscarL>
A tad heavy on my old PC/VM, but that might just be clangd being clangd :-D
<Begasus>
heh
<Begasus_32>
grabbing kpalapeli_x86-22.12.3-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg and moving it to /boot/home/haikuports/packages/kpalapeli_x86-22.12.3-1-x86_gcc2.hpkg
<Begasus_32>
so far so good :)
* OscarL
got Genio to crash :-D
<Begasus>
bad boy!!
<OscarL>
I just hit "Close project" :-D
<Begasus>
suites you :P
<OscarL>
I think it is Genio's way of saying... "you should have kept working on that project... look at what you made me do now!" :-P
<Begasus>
right, don't give up so easy ;)
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<Begasus>
k, why can't I choose a slicing method now in palapeli, it worked yesterday :/
<OscarL>
mmm, slicing... now I want some salami.
<Begasus>
heh
<coolcoder613_mac>
Hi Begasus
<Begasus>
also a bit of lag there coolcoder613_mac? :)
<Begasus>
think skrooge did some weird thing on palapeli? ;)
<coolcoder613_mac>
I wasn't in the room when you replied ;)
<Begasus>
[12:02] <coolcoder613_32> 'Evenin
<Begasus>
there are too many of you here ;)
* Begasus
whistles
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<OscarL>
PulkoMandy: checking out Renga for the first time here: The text at the bottom of the first window gets cut out (at default font sizes). "of the XMPP network." is the bit that gets "hidden".
<OscarL>
No biggie, of course, as just resizing makes it visible.
<Begasus>
someone is bughunting ;)
<OscarL>
Managed to crash it too :-(
<PulkoMandy>
Mh, yes, I should make the window minimal size a bit larger
<OscarL>
"state: Call (looper must be locked before proceeding" (after attempting to start a chat without creating an account).
<PulkoMandy>
You can send me the debug report
<OscarL>
PulkoMandy: will do!
<OscarL>
Does "Renga" has any meaning? (it is the femenine of limp/lame in Spanish :-D)
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<OscarL>
PulkoMandy: Thanks! Much better than in Spanish :-D
<PulkoMandy>
Didn't know about the spanish meaning, it is related to haikus and stanzas (which is how xmpp splits its xml stream of messages)
<Begasus>
k, looks like to be working fine on 32bit (palapeli), should hunt for some svg icon now ...
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<OscarL>
PulkoMandy: maybe add a notice about the move from Github to your personal Gerrit on Renga's Github page? (just found out about the move after Renga finally started :-D)
<OscarL>
(but after I opened an issue on Github)
<Begasus>
lol
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<PulkoMandy>
I will delete the github when I'm back at work. The reason I'm moving things out is I don't have access to github from anywhere than the work laptop due to the two factor authentication
<Begasus>
? I can even access github when I'm at the dogschool
<PulkoMandy>
It asks for two factor authentication and I have the app for that on my work laptop
<PulkoMandy>
So I can't login from anywhere else
<Begasus>
ah, I do this with an SMS
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* OscarL
uses FreeOTP on an ancient android phone without call/sms services, or internet for that matter.
<Begasus>
hardly use internet on my mobile, not an app person here :)
<realtaraharris>
so I need to execute a callback in my application some number of milliseconds in the future. is there a Haiku API that I should look into to do this?
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<PulkoMandy>
BMessageRunner can be used to send messages in the future, but it's not designed for millisecond-precise work
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<realtaraharris>
hey thanks! that might be good enough for what I'm doing, which is just to animate the camera in my SolveSpace port
<PulkoMandy>
Yes, that should work well enough
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<Begasus>
bbl
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<andreasdr[m]>
Hi there.
<andreasdr[m]>
Begasus: Online?
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<Begasus>
hi andreasdr[m], nope :)
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<andreasdr[m]>
Damn.
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<Begasus>
just give a yell ... maybe I'll be back :D
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<andreasdr[m]>
Just saw NetBeans in forums as working port. Has this been committed? Do you port guys also consider to port Eclipse IDE? Just asking. Tried once, but did not get this working.
<Begasus>
I just grabbed the latest (at that time) netbeans_bin, a precompiled version
<Begasus>
as it was done in the older version
<Begasus>
I think there was quit a lot of talks about Eclipse on the forum?
<andreasdr[m]>
Did not see that posts.
<andreasdr[m]>
Damn.
<andreasdr[m]>
Just asking. :)
<Begasus>
np, haven't even gave it a look yet ;)
<Begasus>
this Kast app is pretty neat, listening to podcasts playing around here :)
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<PulkoMandy>
Eclipse should be possible now that we have gtk. Do people still use Eclipse?
<Begasus>
according to AUR it also depends on webkit2gtk?
<Begasus>
Gentoo doesn't mention it ...
<Begasus>
closing down for today, cu peeps!
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<puck_>
PulkoMandy: i wonder how much of say, the TI TMS320 development eclipse could run on haiku
<puck_>
(Code Composer Studio; it's an eclipse with a bunch of extra plugins and debugger)
<PulkoMandy>
Probably all of it once you get Eclipse running, then it's all Java
<PulkoMandy>
But you also need the compiler and linker
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi PulkoMandy. I am just tied to eclipse. Its my favorite IDE. I am very productive using it. Dont know about other programmers.
<andreasdr[m]>
No worries. I can also work with other IDEs.
<andreasdr[m]>
But eclipse on Haiku would be 100 for me :DDD
<andreasdr[m]>
Also QNX IDE is based on Eclipse.
<andreasdr[m]>
AndroidStudio was Eclipse once too.