<zard>
So, you boot the .efi and it runs the precompiled program?
<coolcoder613_32>
No, the .efi files are interpreters
<coolcoder613_32>
There is BASIC, Lua, Kuroko, micropython...
<puck_>
...seeing kuroko in there is funny
<coolcoder613_32>
BITS (BIOS implemntation test suite)
<coolcoder613_32>
puck_: ?
<coolcoder613_32>
puck_: Why?
<puck_>
small world, etc etc
<zard>
lol
<zard>
So do you pick the file you want interpreted when you start up, or is it passed to it as something like a command line argument from a bootloader?
<coolcoder613_32>
It will boot into the UEFI shell...
<coolcoder613_32>
where you can run these things
<zard>
Wait, UEFI has a shell!?
<coolcoder613_32>
Yes
<coolcoder613_32>
A bit windows-y, though
<coolcoder613_32>
e.g.
<coolcoder613_32>
fs0:
<coolcoder613_32>
cd EFI\boot
<coolcoder613_32>
BASIC
<Habbie>
'uefi has a shell' there is a shell for uefi
<Habbie>
i think the order of these words matters :)
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<zard>
So it's not builtin? That makes more sense. A shell builtin to UEFI XD
<Habbie>
i have the impression some systems ship a copy as part of the 'bios' (flash) image on the motherboard
<Habbie>
but certainly not all
* coolcoder613_32
nods
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<coolcoder613_32>
That's why I have one
<zard>
Ah, ok. It's surprising that some UEFI's have shells
<Habbie>
HP 'BIOS' updates come in a few forms, one of which is 'a binary you can run from the uefi shell'
<coolcoder613_32>
As opposed to DOS binaries
<Habbie>
yeah
<coolcoder613_32>
They do call UEFI the new DOS...
<Habbie>
first two bytes are the same though!
<zard>
Hmmm, I believe operating systems can exit back to UEFI...
<coolcoder613_32>
EFI binaries are PE files
<Habbie>
coolcoder613_32, exactly
* zard
is amazed
<zard>
So, in theory, you could open firefox.efi, browse the web, close it, be back at the shell, and start something else
<zard>
Very DOS-like indeed :^)
<Habbie>
i suppose you could
<Habbie>
although that firefox.efi would have to contain a bunch of things not part of the firefox codebase
<zard>
Certainly
<Habbie>
and at some point you need to wonder if 'linux' as one of those things might be the easiest way ;)
<zard>
No wonder some people complain about UEFI being like a whole OS
<coolcoder613_32>
What the world really needs is a DOS emulator for UEFI :)
<coolcoder613_32>
zard: Let's start work on seperating Be.so
<zard>
I am currently :)
<zard>
Doesn't seem too hard
<coolcoder613_32>
Just need to put the right imports
<zard>
Woops, looks like it isn't *quite* as easy as I first thought
<zard>
Anyway, got to go, so, goodbye all :)
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<OscarL>
I thought the slowest Celeron ever was 266 MHz, no?
<OscarL>
I remember running BeOS PE R5 on an AMD K5-PR133 (100 MHz CPU), with just 16 MB of RAM, so 64 should be good :-)
<coolcoder613_mac>
Maybe i misread the label ;)
<coolcoder613_mac>
466mhz i think
<Skipp_OSX>
66Mhz Pentium?
<Skipp_OSX>
is there such a thing?
<Skipp_OSX>
gotta be a 486 DX 2 66
<OscarL>
coolcoder613_mac: at least you don't need any BeOS patches for that machine :-)
<coolcoder613_mac>
It has a label: designed for microsoft Windows NT Windows 98
<OscarL>
unless it has a crappy video card not supported even by the VESA driver. If that's the case... you can use the same workaround I used on the K5...
<coolcoder613_mac>
The handwritten label says: Acer travelmate S14T
<coolcoder613_mac>
Celeron 466
<OscarL>
boot to DOS, load UniVBE, and use loadbeos.com to boot BeOS R5 PE :-D
<zdykstra>
Skipp_OSX: Wikipedia says the original P5 Pentium was 60 to 66mhz
<augiedoggie>
just remap some other key to T in the Keymap prefs
* coolcoder613_mac
is trying to get the keycap back on
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<tmtfx>
Hi! Goodmorning
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<OscarL>
Hello tmtfx. Sorry I never ended up fixing the serial_mouse driver :-/
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<_TmTFx_>
Hi OscarL, no problem :)
<_TmTFx_>
I see you are in the Haiku-PyAPI project too, right? :)
<OscarL>
Only a minor PR a while ago, and a couple of suggestions.
<OscarL>
Seems you got a LOT of commits merged there! :-)
<_TmTFx_>
:) I'm happy that someone built up this project :) once finished I'll write some Haiku apps again in python :)))) and the companions for this project are very pleasant people... I'm so happy, it's like being in Christmas time... oh wait...
<Skipp_OSX>
anybody on Haiku right now?
<coolcoder613_mac>
:)
<coolcoder613_mac>
Skipp_OSX: Why?
<Skipp_OSX>
what is the default setting for Hide dot files in Tracker Windows settings?
<OscarL>
Skipp_OSX: just for you, I hit the "Default" button on Tracker settings, and the default for "Hide dotfiles" has the checkbox checked :-)
<Skipp_OSX>
thank you
<OscarL>
np :-)
<Skipp_OSX>
cleaning up defaults (it's false in some places and true in others)
<OscarL>
Skipp_OSX: Hitting that "Defaults" button repeatedly shows that Tracker can't make up his mind about "Enable type-head filtering"... sometimes it sets it ON, others off :-D
<Skipp_OSX>
good to hear it's not just me
<Skipp_OSX>
what's the default for IntegrateNonBootBeOSDesktops? (hehe)
<OscarL>
Oh, I remember that one... nice way to mess things up on different installs!
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<Begasus>
g'morning peeps
<coolcoder613_mac>
Hello Begasus
<coolcoder613_mac>
Did you see the logs?
<Begasus>
Hi coolcoder613_mac
<Begasus>
no just logged in
<Begasus>
anything specific?
<OscarL>
Morning Begasus.
<Begasus>
Hello OscarL!
<Begasus>
still up? :)
<OscarL>
Yeah... not sure for how long, thou :-D
<Begasus>
np, live at the dogschool now :)
<Begasus>
Oh OscarL, thanks on the "fix" for pygments :)
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<OscarL>
no problem Begasus! Happy to help were/when I can :-)
<Begasus>
+1
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<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] e26329ce2295 - BTextView: Prevent scrolling if text rect is inside view rect
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<AlienSoldier>
PulkoMandy tested new webkit now that it finally build. Still not possible to log into paypal.com, clicking login the page stay full white and nothing happen.
<AlienSoldier>
1.9.10
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<erysdren>
howdy people
<erysdren>
Begasus, i'm finally on at the same time as you :P i got a request if you have a minute
<Begasus>
one minute :)
<erysdren>
my ROTT sourceport is working well on windows and linux, and it builds for haiku in a VM, but i think the VM doesn't have enough memory to run it
<erysdren>
the whole VM just freezes
<erysdren>
after it gets past the intro
<erysdren>
and i have no idea why
<Begasus>
eeps
<erysdren>
the VM only has 4G of RAM on it
<erysdren>
and i don't have any real haiku machine to test on
<coolcoder613_32>
I just found the exe on my linux partitiom
<coolcoder613_32>
The problem i have is, i have only one power cord for a monitor, and two monitors, one for the desktop i am using now, and one for that laptop
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<coolcoder613_mac>
OK, i've got BeOS running...
<coolcoder613_mac>
Doesn't support my USB mouse or drive
<coolcoder613_mac>
I'm a little stuck now, WRT getting stuff on and off it, becuase my one good floppy is the BeOS boot floppy
<OscarL>
Do you have any network access in there? If so... try download/using BeShare.
<coolcoder613_mac>
No network
<OscarL>
I used to go to "Cyber-Cafés" with a bunch of floppies, download all I could from bebits.com, and go back to home to see what worked :-D
<Habbie>
don't copy that floppy!
<OscarL>
used to have both "Mail Warrior" and i.Scribe email clients also on floppy, so I could recieve/send whenever I could find a working internet connection :-D