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<zard> So, you boot the .efi and it runs the precompiled program?
<coolcoder613_32> No, the .efi files are interpreters
<coolcoder613_32> There is BASIC, Lua, Kuroko, micropython...
<puck_> ...seeing kuroko in there is funny
<coolcoder613_32> BITS (BIOS implemntation test suite)
<coolcoder613_32> puck_: ?
<coolcoder613_32> puck_: Why?
<puck_> small world, etc etc
<zard> lol
<zard> So do you pick the file you want interpreted when you start up, or is it passed to it as something like a command line argument from a bootloader?
<coolcoder613_32> It will boot into the UEFI shell...
<coolcoder613_32> where you can run these things
<zard> Wait, UEFI has a shell!?
<coolcoder613_32> Yes
<coolcoder613_32> A bit windows-y, though
<coolcoder613_32> e.g.
<coolcoder613_32> fs0:
<coolcoder613_32> cd EFI\boot
<coolcoder613_32> BASIC
<Habbie> 'uefi has a shell' there is a shell for uefi
<Habbie> i think the order of these words matters :)
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<zard> So it's not builtin? That makes more sense. A shell builtin to UEFI XD
<Habbie> i have the impression some systems ship a copy as part of the 'bios' (flash) image on the motherboard
<Habbie> but certainly not all
* coolcoder613_32 nods
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<coolcoder613_32> That's why I have one
<zard> Ah, ok. It's surprising that some UEFI's have shells
<Habbie> HP 'BIOS' updates come in a few forms, one of which is 'a binary you can run from the uefi shell'
<coolcoder613_32> As opposed to DOS binaries
<Habbie> yeah
<coolcoder613_32> They do call UEFI the new DOS...
<Habbie> first two bytes are the same though!
<zard> Hmmm, I believe operating systems can exit back to UEFI...
<coolcoder613_32> EFI binaries are PE files
<Habbie> coolcoder613_32, exactly
* zard is amazed
<zard> So, in theory, you could open firefox.efi, browse the web, close it, be back at the shell, and start something else
<zard> Very DOS-like indeed :^)
<Habbie> i suppose you could
<Habbie> although that firefox.efi would have to contain a bunch of things not part of the firefox codebase
<zard> Certainly
<Habbie> and at some point you need to wonder if 'linux' as one of those things might be the easiest way ;)
<zard> No wonder some people complain about UEFI being like a whole OS
<coolcoder613_32> What the world really needs is a DOS emulator for UEFI :)
<coolcoder613_32> zard: Let's start work on seperating Be.so
<zard> I am currently :)
<zard> Doesn't seem too hard
<coolcoder613_32> Just need to put the right imports
<zard> Woops, looks like it isn't *quite* as easy as I first thought
<zard> Anyway, got to go, so, goodbye all :)
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<TheLamb> Hello!
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/402bb351b6bc...c1245b59bc71
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie c1245b5 - jed: add slang_tools dependency to fix execution (#9866)
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<augiedoggie> bah
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/c1245b59bc71...f3839c46f379
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie f3839c4 - jed: fix slang_tools package name
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57449] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=0e673505eb93+%5Efcddb1a8f76e
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 0e673505eb93 - Keymap: Capitalize L in Caps Lock as a proper noun
<Skipp_OSX> heyo
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<coolcoder613_mac> Hello Skipp_OSX
<Skipp_OSX> the cleanup commit went through, still waiting for the good stuff
<coolcoder613_mac> I just came back from a computer swap meet with my grandfather
<coolcoder613_mac> I had a lot of fun
<coolcoder613_mac> There where quite a few old computers there...
<coolcoder613_mac> I bought a laptop
<coolcoder613_mac> for $5
<coolcoder613_mac> 64MB of RAM, 4.8GB HDD, floppy drive, cdrom drive, pcmcia slot...
<coolcoder613_mac> No screen
<coolcoder613_mac> 66mhz Celeron...
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<coolcoder613_mac> I wonder if it can run BeOS?
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<OscarL> I thought the slowest Celeron ever was 266 MHz, no?
<OscarL> I remember running BeOS PE R5 on an AMD K5-PR133 (100 MHz CPU), with just 16 MB of RAM, so 64 should be good :-)
<coolcoder613_mac> Maybe i misread the label ;)
<coolcoder613_mac> 466mhz i think
<Skipp_OSX> 66Mhz Pentium?
<Skipp_OSX> is there such a thing?
<Skipp_OSX> gotta be a 486 DX 2 66
<OscarL> coolcoder613_mac: at least you don't need any BeOS patches for that machine :-)
<coolcoder613_mac> It has a label: designed for microsoft Windows NT Windows 98
<OscarL> unless it has a crappy video card not supported even by the VESA driver. If that's the case... you can use the same workaround I used on the K5...
<coolcoder613_mac> The handwritten label says: Acer travelmate S14T
<coolcoder613_mac> Celeron 466
<OscarL> boot to DOS, load UniVBE, and use loadbeos.com to boot BeOS R5 PE :-D
<zdykstra> Skipp_OSX: Wikipedia says the original P5 Pentium was 60 to 66mhz
<coolcoder613_mac> 66mhz 2 bus
<coolcoder613_mac> *66mhz bus
<coolcoder613_mac> 64M ram (256M max)
<zdykstra> Gotta be pretty rare though
<coolcoder613_mac> 4.8G HDD
<coolcoder613_mac> It has a label Intel Inside celeron processor
<coolcoder613_mac> So it's not a pentium
<coolcoder613_mac> Found it! It's a acer travelmate 514t
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<coolcoder613_mac> Hello tmtfx
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<andreasdr[m]> Hi there.
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<andreasdr[m]> Whattttts uppppp?
<OscarL> Good morning andreasdr[m] :-)
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<Skipp_OSX> oh yeah ok maybe there was a Pentium 66 afterall
<coolcoder613_mac> T key deasn't work :(
<OscarL> ha doesn' sounds oo bad, coolcoder613_mac :-P
<OscarL> You only need it about 9.1% of the time anyway :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_frequency
<coolcoder613_mac> C:\WINDOWS|SYSTEM32?
<augiedoggie> just remap some other key to T in the Keymap prefs
* coolcoder613_mac is trying to get the keycap back on
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<tmtfx> Hi! Goodmorning
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<OscarL> Hello tmtfx. Sorry I never ended up fixing the serial_mouse driver :-/
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<_TmTFx_> Hi OscarL, no problem :)
<_TmTFx_> I see you are in the Haiku-PyAPI project too, right? :)
<OscarL> Only a minor PR a while ago, and a couple of suggestions.
<OscarL> Seems you got a LOT of commits merged there! :-)
<_TmTFx_> :) I'm happy that someone built up this project :) once finished I'll write some Haiku apps again in python :)))) and the companions for this project are very pleasant people... I'm so happy, it's like being in Christmas time... oh wait...
<Skipp_OSX> anybody on Haiku right now?
<coolcoder613_mac> :)
<coolcoder613_mac> Skipp_OSX: Why?
<Skipp_OSX> what is the default setting for Hide dot files in Tracker Windows settings?
<OscarL> Skipp_OSX: just for you, I hit the "Default" button on Tracker settings, and the default for "Hide dotfiles" has the checkbox checked :-)
<Skipp_OSX> thank you
<OscarL> np :-)
<Skipp_OSX> cleaning up defaults (it's false in some places and true in others)
<OscarL> Skipp_OSX: Hitting that "Defaults" button repeatedly shows that Tracker can't make up his mind about "Enable type-head filtering"... sometimes it sets it ON, others off :-D
<Skipp_OSX> good to hear it's not just me
<Skipp_OSX> what's the default for IntegrateNonBootBeOSDesktops? (hehe)
<OscarL> Oh, I remember that one... nice way to mess things up on different installs!
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<coolcoder613_mac> Hello Begasus
<coolcoder613_mac> Did you see the logs?
<Begasus> Hi coolcoder613_mac
<Begasus> no just logged in
<Begasus> anything specific?
<OscarL> Morning Begasus.
<Begasus> Hello OscarL!
<Begasus> still up? :)
<OscarL> Yeah... not sure for how long, thou :-D
<Begasus> np, live at the dogschool now :)
<Begasus> Oh OscarL, thanks on the "fix" for pygments :)
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<OscarL> no problem Begasus! Happy to help were/when I can :-)
<Begasus> +1
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/f3839c46f379...ba94c0d353d5
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus ba94c0d - spotify_qt, bump version (#9867)
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57450] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=e26329ce2295+%5E0e673505eb93
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] e26329ce2295 - BTextView: Prevent scrolling if text rect is inside view rect
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<AlienSoldier> PulkoMandy tested new webkit now that it finally build. Still not possible to log into paypal.com, clicking login the page stay full white and nothing happen.
<AlienSoldier> 1.9.10
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<erysdren> howdy people
<erysdren> Begasus, i'm finally on at the same time as you :P i got a request if you have a minute
<Begasus> one minute :)
<erysdren> my ROTT sourceport is working well on windows and linux, and it builds for haiku in a VM, but i think the VM doesn't have enough memory to run it
<erysdren> the whole VM just freezes
<erysdren> after it gets past the intro
<erysdren> and i have no idea why
<Begasus> eeps
<erysdren> the VM only has 4G of RAM on it
<erysdren> and i don't have any real haiku machine to test on
<erysdren> it
<erysdren> it's here if you want to try it: https://github.com/erysdren/ROTTEN/releases/tag/v1.1.3-alpha.1
<erysdren> it automatically builds two executables, one for shareware and one for registered. shareware data is available anywhere
<erysdren> i can send it if you need it
<Begasus> anything specific to build/check?
<erysdren> just build it normally, run the shareware version (with shareware data) and see if it gets past the Apogee logo intro
<erysdren> after that is where it freezes in my VM
<erysdren> by default it checks for game data in the executable's DIR, but also in SDL_PrefPath
<Begasus> build is fine
<erysdren> alright
<Begasus> guess I need the data to check :)
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<Begasus> erysdren, got a link to the shareware version?
<erysdren> i believe this ZIP has the correct data
<erysdren> let me know any errors
<erysdren> or crashes
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<Begasus> launches fine here erysdren :)
<lennox[m]> wow i remember when that came out
<Begasus> closing down for now, bbl
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<Begasus> re
<Begasus> erysdren, crashes when launched from Tracker
<Begasus> [midi] WARNING: Endpoint 18 (0x11bb3e216280) has not been Release()d properly (refcount = 1)
<Begasus> doesn't exit when launched from Terminal
<Begasus> PR created for the launch with Tracker :)
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ba94c0d353d5...9e0358747aee
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] davidkaroly 9e03587 - qemu: update to 8.1.3 (#9863)
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/9e0358747aee...41ea71cd42d3
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 41ea71c - schismtracker, bump version (#9865)
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/41ea71cd42d3...27d234ff2d17
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 27d234f - strawberry, bump version (#9869)
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/27d234ff2d17...9929153334b5
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 9929153 - sbc, bump version (#9860)
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<Guest9861> sudo halt
<Begasus> Too bad we don't do sudo :)
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<scanty> Begasus, even if we did sudo, it wouldn't work through IRC :^)
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<Begasus> right too scanty :)
<scanty> Begasus, how are you doing?
<Begasus> 10 minutes to get a PR merged for texstudio, not bad :)
<scanty> cool.
<scanty> what's textstudio?
<Begasus> lol
<Begasus> whoops ... it's texstudio, latex editor
<scanty> ah nice.
<Begasus> editor/ide
<scanty> downloaded the latest hrev here, going to play with it later
<Begasus> 64bit?
<scanty> yeah
<Begasus> still on R1B4 here, fine enough for my needs
<scanty> i have R1B4 installed, but it's already a year old, so I figured I'd go for something newer.
<Begasus> afaik, nothing that would push me to switch to nightly here :)
<scanty> gotcha, I guess I can think on it.
<Begasus> but that's just me ;)
<scanty> :^)
<scanty> i saw there was a nvidia driver in the source tree... any way I can test it?
<Begasus> It should be in the Haiku's hpkg (not that familiar though)
<scanty> ah ok
<Begasus> iirc x512[m] is doing some groundwork on it
<scanty> cool
<x512[m]> Chromium running through Waypipe (remote Wayland connection).
<x512[m]> Chromium executable is running on Linux in another machine.
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<scanty> jeez, how many cores do you have?
<Begasus> nice x512[m]!
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<PulkoMandy> scanty: The nvidia driver in haiku is for 20 years old cards (up to he early geforce models). Not of any use for modern hardware
<scanty> oh I see.
<scanty> my card is pretty old, I think it's a Quadro K600
<scanty> probably too new, I'm guessing.
<scanty> march 2013
<Begasus> not that old then :)
<scanty> yeah
<scanty> do you know if they are starting the driver from scratch, or do they want to port nouveau
<scanty> (don't know how to spell that)
<PulkoMandy> X512 is working on porting some linux code I think. Didn't look at which parts would be needed
<scanty> ah okay, thanks :^)
<scanty> hope it goes well
<x512[m]> nvidia-gpu-open code is cross-platform, not Linux-only. Some parts of it are used in proprietary Windows driver.
<scanty> how can they use open code in a proprietary driver?
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<Begasus> ow bugger ... 32bit buildmaster is lost again
<Begasus> progress x512[m] :)
<scanty> do you guys know if "MailandNews" app is still broken?
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<Begasus> nope, I don't use local apps for email here
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/9929153334b5...05314393176f
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 0531439 - texstudio, bump version (#9870)
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<thaflo> hello, I know how to change the filetype in the addon-windwo of the tracker. How is it possible to change it from terminal?
<thaflo> I've got a file and like to set the filetype from application/octet-stream to image/png
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<Begasus> setattr or something the like?
<andreasdr[m]> Hi there. Cool stuff.
<Begasus> Hi OscarL andreasdr[m] thaflo :)
<OscarL> 'lo Begasus :-) (et all)
<andreasdr[m]> Hi Begasus, OscarL, thaflo
<OscarL> thaflo: I think you need the `mimeset` command.
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<OscarL> mmm, maybe not, that seems to be like "Identify", but for CLI :-D
<OscarL> `setmime` seems more like it, thaflo.
<Begasus> I was almost there :D
<OscarL> Maye just plain old `addattr`? Example from the "mev" .recipe:
<OscarL> addattr -t mime BEOS:TYPE application/x-vnd.BeUnited.MeV-Document app/songs/*
<OscarL> ^^ that seems about right.
<OscarL> thaflo: yup... `addattr -t BEOS:TYPE image/png your_files_or_path_here` should work.
<thaflo> hi Begasus OscarL, I was there already :-) addattr did not change the filetype
<OscarL> I've just tested it here with a .recipe file. Worked for me.
<thaflo> with setmime or mimset I could not reach the expected result
<Begasus> was busy elswhere (as usual) :)
<thaflo> ok, so I'll try again, thanks
<thaflo> oh, I missed the -t command *slap*
<OscarL> :-)
<thaflo> no, I had it OscarL, -t string
<OscarL> :-/
<thaflo> but -t mime was right
<thaflo> resolved, thanks!
<OscarL> no problem!
<OscarL> BTW, thaflo, in case you haven't seen it yet... I've left some comments on your screenshot proposed changes.
<thaflo> Oh, thanks, I read them but did not react - though I'm happy that you looked at it and made your comments *thumb_up*
<OscarL> no hurries at all, of course, just a heads up in case you only check Gerrit occasionally :-)
<OscarL> k... back to reading Python release notes... sigh...
<zdykstra> OscarL: is that what the cool kids do on Sunday?
<OscarL> hi zdykstra! One can hope! :-P
<Skipp_OSX> BEOS:TYPE takes a mime string
<Skipp_OSX> e.g. image/png
<Skipp_OSX> You can load up the add-on in FileTypes to change the icon, but all the system ones are read-only so won't let you change the icon.
<Begasus> closing down here, cu peeps!
<Skipp_OSX> BEOS:ICON is the one you're looking for, it contains the icon data, typically in HVIF format
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<tmtfx> sorry ^_^
<tmtfx> wrong window
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57451] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=71522c937ee6+%5Ee26329ce2295
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 71522c937ee6 - net: Rename IFT_TUN to IFT_TUNNEL as on BSD
<OscarL> Wee! Nice to see the Fundrasing 2023 bar complete full! :-) Thanks to all those who made donations!
<Al2O3> completely cool.
<Al2O3> and its not over yet right!
<Al2O3> how about a triple anonymous donor from some nice rich bazillionaire in silly valley that benefitted from the OS wars
<Al2O3> ??? :)
<Al2O3> google code has helped, why not google payola to the others they quished.
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<OscarL> ~40 minutes to build Python :-( (/me wishes for a faster CPU).
<OscarL> (or at least for the Python optimized build not chocking on parallel builds :-D)
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<waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: hide dotfiles default should be off actually, this was discussed before iirc
<Skipp_OSX> thank you for telling me!
<Skipp_OSX> I'll rebase false into my patch
<Skipp_OSX> this will be a good test
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<coolcoder613_32> Good morning
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<erysdren> good morning
<coolcoder613_32> Hi erysdren
<coolcoder613_32> Yesterday I went to a computer meet
<coolcoder613_32> There were a lot of old computers there, and aussie 8-bit, a 286, a mac se...
<coolcoder613_32> I bought a laptop from 1999 for $5
<coolcoder613_32> An Acer travelmate 514T
<coolcoder613_32> without a screen
<coolcoder613_32> It has a floppy drive, cdrom drive, pcmcia slot... even a usb port
<coolcoder613_32> It is currently dual-booting win2k and win98
<coolcoder613_32> on a 4.8GB HDD
<Habbie> wow :)
<coolcoder613_32> It has 64MB of RAM (max 256)
<coolcoder613_32> If i can find a blank CD i will try boot BeOS
<OscarL> coolcoder613_32: or you can just install BeOS PE R5 from the Windows installer.
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<OscarL> it will create a C:\BeOS folder, with files like: loadbeos.com, zbeos, IMAGE.be (500 MB file)
<OscarL> It should leave an icon on the Win98 desktop to boot into BeOS, or you can boot into DOS, and call that loadbeos.com manually.
<coolcoder613_32> I know, just i could only find the CD image of PE...
<coolcoder613_32> I just found the exe on my linux partitiom
<coolcoder613_32> The problem i have is, i have only one power cord for a monitor, and two monitors, one for the desktop i am using now, and one for that laptop
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<coolcoder613_mac> OK, i've got BeOS running...
<coolcoder613_mac> Doesn't support my USB mouse or drive
<coolcoder613_mac> http://0x0.st/H3JP.JPG
<coolcoder613_mac> What next?
<Habbie> nice!
<coolcoder613_mac> I'm a little stuck now, WRT getting stuff on and off it, becuase my one good floppy is the BeOS boot floppy
<OscarL> Do you have any network access in there? If so... try download/using BeShare.
<coolcoder613_mac> No network
<OscarL> I used to go to "Cyber-Cafés" with a bunch of floppies, download all I could from bebits.com, and go back to home to see what worked :-D
<Habbie> don't copy that floppy!
<OscarL> used to have both "Mail Warrior" and i.Scribe email clients also on floppy, so I could recieve/send whenever I could find a working internet connection :-D