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<Sark> Hrm. I think I got the drive in my system rebuilt but it still won't boot - maybe something got corrupted? If I just let it boot I get a white screen.
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<Sark> I've tried safe mode and a bunch of the other options like default video driver and stuff but it always crashes.
<Sark> Not really sure what to do from here or what else I should look at to see if I can determine why it's crashing.
<Sark> I can boot from the installer and mount the drive and see all the files and stuff, but I can't see any of the system stuff? But it's clearly there since it boots.
<Sark> (ish)
<Sark> Kinda confused. heh
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<OscarL> Sark: when you mount a different Haiku install, you won't see most things under THAT "/system/" (other than a bunch of .hpkg files under "/system/packages/")
<Sark> OK - that's what I was wondering - I was surprised I couldn't see any of the binaries, I was going to check and see if anything maybe got corrupt but there wasn't anything there. heh
<OscarL> the contents of .hpkg files are not extracted, but "virtually mounted".
<Sark> So, what, the system unpacks the hpkg files at boot and makes a ramdisk like filesystem or somehting?
<Sark> ah
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<OscarL> Sark: my English is bad, and I'm terrible at explaining things. Maybe this helps you more: https://xref.landonf.org/source/xref/haiku/docs/develop/packages/DirectoryStructure.rst#52
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<Sark> Ah hah! I fixed it.
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57434] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=2e1f37d6def9+%5E6a0798da0c7d
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 2e1f37d6def9 - AboutSystem: update RAM size on replicant instantiation.
<Sark> Knowing that the package files were the source of the system components, I did an md5sum on all the files in the system packages directory, and compared that with the md5sum of the packages on the boot flash drive.
<Sark> noto_sans_cjk_jp-1.004-2-any.hpkg was corrupted, the md5sum did not match the file of the same name on the flash drive.
<Sark> Replaced it with the one from the drive, rebooted from the hard drive, and it worked first time.
<OscarL> Makes sense, IIRC, the main haiku package has the Noto fonts as a dependency, and so... if that package cannot be activated, everything crumbles :-)
<Sark> Yeah, and it breaks pretty hard because even when I was booting in debugger mode watching the text scroll by, it crashed so hard I couldn't even activate the pager to see the next screen of text.
<Sark> But if I disabled the pager I couldn't read it.
<Sark> lol
<Sark> I mean, yeah, I know I could have just reinstalled but it's fun to learn *why* something broke.
<OscarL> Indeed. Glad you sorted it out.
<Sark> And especially since the whole point of my Haiku system is "playing around with Haiku", learning about how the system fits together is interesting and valuable.
<Sark> In this case the file no doubt got corrupted when the original SSD failed.
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<coolcoder613_mac> Hello Sark
<Sark> Hello - how's it going?
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/5cfb12b0aa0f...522e62944208
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] owenca 522e629 - haiku-format: update to 17.0.6 (#9806)
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<coolcoder613_mac> Hello Begasus
<Begasus> Hello coolcoder613_mac
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<coolcoder613_mac> I built/ported NCSA Mosiac to my grandfathers mac mini on sunday
<Begasus> nice (no idea what it is though) :)
<coolcoder613_mac> Web browser from 1993
<Begasus> ah :) does it still work?
<coolcoder613_mac> Needed a bit of porting, but nothing i can't handle
<Begasus> wanted to see if I could play a game from within FaceBook in Falkon, no go ... :)
<Begasus> +1
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<coolcoder613_mac> I've tried porting it to Haiku
<coolcoder613_mac> I've even gotten it to compile
<coolcoder613_mac> which involved porting openmotif as well
<coolcoder613_mac> But it will not work
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<Begasus> can't win them all :)
<coolcoder613_mac> So i am using Net+ as my lightweight browser instead (+1 for BeOS compat)
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<cocobean> haikuwebkit: kick
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/522e62944208...62fa835428aa
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] kenmays 62fa835 - haikuwebkit: fix build
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<cocobean> Buildbot x86 issue: https://build.haiku-os.org/buildmaster/master/x86_gcc2/logviewer.html?buildruns/5456/builds/82387.log
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<Begasus> looks like it's stuck :/
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<Begasus> closing down here, cu peeps!
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<phschafft> he seems to have a lot personalities.
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<coolcoder613_32> Good morning all
<coolcoder613_32> phschafft: ?
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<phschafft> hm?
<waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: unfinished, not merged, but maybe relevant re. your post to the ML
<Skipp_OSX> I wrote the same patch, and it didn't work equally well for me either.
<phschafft> see the quits.
<coolcoder613_32> what about them?
<phschafft> see his comment, the quits, and my comment.
<phschafft> if you don't get it the joke is lost.
<coolcoder613_32> aah, now i get it :)
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<Skipp_OSX> When was the last Mac keyboard that didn't have a backspace key on it? LOL
<Skipp_OSX> oh I see doesn't have a Delete, the mobile kind perhaps.
<Skipp_OSX> yeah backspace here, no delete, well it says delete on the key, but it means backspace.
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<vdamewood> I don't think any Apple keyboard has ever lacked a key that deletes to the left of the cursor.
<Skipp_OSX> yeah idk about maybe the pre 1987 models
<Skipp_OSX> before Macintosh II that is, the original Mac had some weird keyboards on them.
<Skipp_OSX> I see now that everybody uses Delete to delete files and I'm one of the few that use backspace, and Cmd+T is right out.
<Skipp_OSX> ok but fixing up backspace to mean delete in keymap is not going to work, for several reasons.
<vdamewood> I found a picture of a 512k Mac with a proper 'Backspace' key.
<PulkoMandy> I meant backspace hould do backspace and command+backspace should do delete
<Skipp_OSX> sure but does it perform backspace as you'd expect it to?
<Skipp_OSX> idk it might
<Skipp_OSX> We do Command+Shift+T to delete, skipping the trash.
<PulkoMandy> At least I think that's how it works on Apple machines that don't have a separate del te key (but it's been a while since I used one indeed)
<Skipp_OSX> Also... I should add that to my live updating Tracker menus patch...
<PulkoMandy> I think command backspace will delete the character right of the cursor as well? Or is that with some other modifier? Or is that only for Linux on Apple machines?
<Skipp_OSX> because it's not discoverable at all right now.
<Skipp_OSX> fn + backspace...
<Skipp_OSX> of course
<Skipp_OSX> fn + backspace does a rightward delete
<Habbie> it does, yes
<Skipp_OSX> guess what key we can't alter in keymap... oh nvm
<Skipp_OSX> Hey, what if we used Cmd+BS to Trash and then also Trashed on unmodified backspace and delete? Hehe
<Skipp_OSX> (because that's already how it works, except the Cmd+BS part, that I am proposing)
<PulkoMandy> Ah right there's an Fn key now
<PulkoMandy> Overall I'd hrefer if we finally implemented a way o have shortcuts wita shortcut modifiers so we can simply show "del" on its own as a shortcut in the menu. I don't mind if there's an extra shortcut and if there's one, cmd+backspace seems ok
<PulkoMandy> backspace on its own may be s
<PulkoMandy> useful for other things (such as navigating back to the previous folder when using single window mode maybe?)
<Skipp_OSX> yeah I'd like to make Web+ use Ctrl+left/right go forwards backwards instead of Cmd+left/right, but we can't do that and put it in the menu.
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<Skipp_OSX> err backwards/forwards I mean
<Skipp_OSX> you guys just think I'm trying to Mac up Haiku (and you're right)
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<PulkoMandy> The limitation of requiring a modifier for all menu ŝortcuts is annoying, and I think there was already a patch (by Ryan Leavengood?) adding a B_NO_MODIFIER constant for that. It would be nice to finalize that and then we can have "Del" as the main shortcut and shown in the menu
<PulkoMandy> And alternate shortcuts with more keys, why not, if that helps with muscle memory
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<PulkoMandy> Anyways, time to sleep here and I'll reply on the mailing list when I'm in front of a computer with a real keyboard, not my phone :)
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<Skipp_OSX> ok
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