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<Sark>
Hrm. I think I got the drive in my system rebuilt but it still won't boot - maybe something got corrupted? If I just let it boot I get a white screen.
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<Sark>
I've tried safe mode and a bunch of the other options like default video driver and stuff but it always crashes.
<Sark>
Not really sure what to do from here or what else I should look at to see if I can determine why it's crashing.
<Sark>
I can boot from the installer and mount the drive and see all the files and stuff, but I can't see any of the system stuff? But it's clearly there since it boots.
<Sark>
(ish)
<Sark>
Kinda confused. heh
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<OscarL>
Sark: when you mount a different Haiku install, you won't see most things under THAT "/system/" (other than a bunch of .hpkg files under "/system/packages/")
<Sark>
OK - that's what I was wondering - I was surprised I couldn't see any of the binaries, I was going to check and see if anything maybe got corrupt but there wasn't anything there. heh
<OscarL>
the contents of .hpkg files are not extracted, but "virtually mounted".
<Sark>
So, what, the system unpacks the hpkg files at boot and makes a ramdisk like filesystem or somehting?
<Sark>
ah
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<Sark>
Knowing that the package files were the source of the system components, I did an md5sum on all the files in the system packages directory, and compared that with the md5sum of the packages on the boot flash drive.
<Sark>
noto_sans_cjk_jp-1.004-2-any.hpkg was corrupted, the md5sum did not match the file of the same name on the flash drive.
<Sark>
Replaced it with the one from the drive, rebooted from the hard drive, and it worked first time.
<OscarL>
Makes sense, IIRC, the main haiku package has the Noto fonts as a dependency, and so... if that package cannot be activated, everything crumbles :-)
<Sark>
Yeah, and it breaks pretty hard because even when I was booting in debugger mode watching the text scroll by, it crashed so hard I couldn't even activate the pager to see the next screen of text.
<Sark>
But if I disabled the pager I couldn't read it.
<Sark>
lol
<Sark>
I mean, yeah, I know I could have just reinstalled but it's fun to learn *why* something broke.
<OscarL>
Indeed. Glad you sorted it out.
<Sark>
And especially since the whole point of my Haiku system is "playing around with Haiku", learning about how the system fits together is interesting and valuable.
<Sark>
In this case the file no doubt got corrupted when the original SSD failed.
<phschafft>
see his comment, the quits, and my comment.
<phschafft>
if you don't get it the joke is lost.
<coolcoder613_32>
aah, now i get it :)
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<Skipp_OSX>
When was the last Mac keyboard that didn't have a backspace key on it? LOL
<Skipp_OSX>
oh I see doesn't have a Delete, the mobile kind perhaps.
<Skipp_OSX>
yeah backspace here, no delete, well it says delete on the key, but it means backspace.
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<vdamewood>
I don't think any Apple keyboard has ever lacked a key that deletes to the left of the cursor.
<Skipp_OSX>
yeah idk about maybe the pre 1987 models
<Skipp_OSX>
before Macintosh II that is, the original Mac had some weird keyboards on them.
<Skipp_OSX>
I see now that everybody uses Delete to delete files and I'm one of the few that use backspace, and Cmd+T is right out.
<Skipp_OSX>
ok but fixing up backspace to mean delete in keymap is not going to work, for several reasons.
<vdamewood>
I found a picture of a 512k Mac with a proper 'Backspace' key.
<PulkoMandy>
I meant backspace hould do backspace and command+backspace should do delete
<Skipp_OSX>
sure but does it perform backspace as you'd expect it to?
<Skipp_OSX>
idk it might
<Skipp_OSX>
We do Command+Shift+T to delete, skipping the trash.
<PulkoMandy>
At least I think that's how it works on Apple machines that don't have a separate del te key (but it's been a while since I used one indeed)
<Skipp_OSX>
Also... I should add that to my live updating Tracker menus patch...
<PulkoMandy>
I think command backspace will delete the character right of the cursor as well? Or is that with some other modifier? Or is that only for Linux on Apple machines?
<Skipp_OSX>
because it's not discoverable at all right now.
<Skipp_OSX>
fn + backspace...
<Skipp_OSX>
of course
<Skipp_OSX>
fn + backspace does a rightward delete
<Habbie>
it does, yes
<Skipp_OSX>
guess what key we can't alter in keymap... oh nvm
<Skipp_OSX>
Hey, what if we used Cmd+BS to Trash and then also Trashed on unmodified backspace and delete? Hehe
<Skipp_OSX>
(because that's already how it works, except the Cmd+BS part, that I am proposing)
<PulkoMandy>
Ah right there's an Fn key now
<PulkoMandy>
Overall I'd hrefer if we finally implemented a way o have shortcuts wita shortcut modifiers so we can simply show "del" on its own as a shortcut in the menu. I don't mind if there's an extra shortcut and if there's one, cmd+backspace seems ok
<PulkoMandy>
backspace on its own may be s
<PulkoMandy>
useful for other things (such as navigating back to the previous folder when using single window mode maybe?)
<Skipp_OSX>
yeah I'd like to make Web+ use Ctrl+left/right go forwards backwards instead of Cmd+left/right, but we can't do that and put it in the menu.
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<Skipp_OSX>
err backwards/forwards I mean
<Skipp_OSX>
you guys just think I'm trying to Mac up Haiku (and you're right)
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<PulkoMandy>
The limitation of requiring a modifier for all menu ŝortcuts is annoying, and I think there was already a patch (by Ryan Leavengood?) adding a B_NO_MODIFIER constant for that. It would be nice to finalize that and then we can have "Del" as the main shortcut and shown in the menu
<PulkoMandy>
And alternate shortcuts with more keys, why not, if that helps with muscle memory
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<PulkoMandy>
Anyways, time to sleep here and I'll reply on the mailing list when I'm in front of a computer with a real keyboard, not my phone :)
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<Skipp_OSX>
ok
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