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<Al2O3> well, you could buffer and make them 64 in a few mins :)
<Al2O3> but really appreciate you putting them out here
<scanty> yeah, they'd need some work.
<Al2O3> and testing.
<scanty> sure, i don't mind sharing my work.
<Al2O3> that is great, neither do I, have for decades.
<Al2O3> just not lately, as I don't code much past 10 years
<scanty> i haven't done any coding in about 5 years
<scanty> real life(tm) gets in the way sometimes... you know how it is.
<Al2O3> real life :)
<Al2O3> management, or making dough, or both
<Al2O3> or fully retired, or heading that way :)
<scanty> hehe
<Al2O3> it would be a hoot to bring this libc performance implementation into Haiku proper.
<scanty> i agree. i love optimising code
<Al2O3> it doesn't (currently) work with i386, but does for anything SSE or simulated SSE (whatever that means)
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<scanty> the sse2_copy i wrote seems like an easy conversion to x64
<Al2O3> bottom line, anything 64 it will work, and 32 from what I understand.
<scanty> but i would obviously need a test suite
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<Al2O3> maybe you and FUZxxi could discourse, he's into it
<scanty> perhaps.
<Al2O3> wouldn't that be a hoot to have high speed computing performance as an option in Haiku during a build or install?
<Al2O3> :)
<scanty> it would be great.
<Al2O3> another level
<scanty> haiku is already very fast, even with unaccelerated graphics.
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<Al2O3> beos, …, haiku are all zippy.
<scanty> indeed
<Al2O3> just need to be brought to real world needs
<Al2O3> and folks are making that effort, still.
<Al2O3> 20+ years later.
<Al2O3> :)
<Al2O3> amazing
<scanty> yep
<scanty> i can't believe it's been that long
<Al2O3> its really been since 95
<Al2O3> and I have literally been with it since that time.
<Al2O3> just gave up and now excited on seeing some progress
<scanty> i found BeOS at R4.5
<Al2O3> I found beos on #0004 machine :) I owned it :)
<scanty> BeBox?
<scanty> I had two BeBoxes, had to sell them.
<Al2O3> dual 66, not the DSP 3 and 2 CPU
<scanty> ah
<scanty> I had 133's
<Al2O3> buddy of mine worked on the 5 proc
<Al2O3> I had 2x66 #4 and a 2x133
<scanty> cool
<scanty> i sold them mainly because they didn't fit my needs.
<Al2O3> Got an email IIRC in late 94 and said 'check thsi shit out', and after that a year later on sales, I was already in as a dev.
<scanty> I mean, I couldn't even play an mp3 at full speed
<scanty> cool.
<Al2O3> I sold them cause someone offered me about 3 grand for the 2
<scanty> oh wow.
<Al2O3> I was like, that is crack cocaine for a weekend, I'm in
<scanty> hehe
<Al2O3> :(
<Al2O3> :)
<Al2O3> and :O
<Al2O3> so, if you love to optimize, and port, FUZxxl has the libc SSE goodies
<Al2O3> fully tested now, just needs a port
<scanty> cool.
<Al2O3> and maybe integration into Haiku build.
<scanty> i'll look into it, i suppose.
<Al2O3> Hope you do, it sounds freaking neat.
<scanty> yeah, it looks like a fun project, i have to get back into programming, and this might be a good doorway
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<scanty> but first, i must port my NES emulator to x64.
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<scanty> it's haiku native, too.
<scanty> no cheating with SDL/etc.
<coolcoder613_32> My mouse pad: https://0x0.st/H3kS.JPG
<scanty> nice one
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<scanty> i don't use a mousepad
* coolcoder613_32 is trying to use sshfs
<coolcoder613_32> but i keep getting bad port id
<scanty> what is the best web browser to use for Haiku>?
<coolcoder613_32> Best web browser for doing what?
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<scanty> general surfing, mail, pandora, etc.
<coolcoder613_32> Does Web+ work?
<scanty> I don't know, that's why I was asking.
<coolcoder613_32> Well, try it!
<coolcoder613_32> I think it does
<Al2O3> scanty: I believe Haiku is developed on itself now
<Al2O3> hope so
<Al2O3> :)
<Al2O3> not sure there is good browsing, never really has been
<Al2O3> that could likely, I'm talking out of rear end, need some real programmers on browser ports.
<Al2O3> hope someone can chime in and lay me down wrong.
<coolcoder613_32> Al203: Not everyone, some prefer debugging in VMs
<scanty> well, i heard there was otter, and also falkon
<Al2O3> coolcoder613[m]: is that due to sandboxing?
<coolcoder613_32> Al2O3: No! Not browser ports! Improve Web+!
<Al2O3> coolcoder613[m]: :)
<Al2O3> heading ot neighbor with need for food, so be back after I deliver some feed for my neighbor
<coolcoder613_32> But Web+ work fine for most things, and most of the rest is cloudflared.
<scanty> hrm, good idea, i think i'll eat now.
<scanty> bbl
<scanty> Al2O3, I put a sticky note on my monitor to remind me to do the 6502 stuff for you, i might not get to it tonight, we'll see.
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<Al2O3> scanty: priorities :)
<Al2O3> you are very nice to offer, and the time, but other things are more important.
<Al2O3> when you can, great.
<Al2O3> TY
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<AlienSoldier> When falkon 32 bit will it the depot?
<AlienSoldier> *hit
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<applecuckoo> hold on, having a look at haikuports
* applecuckoo facepalms
<coolcoder613_mac> AlienSoldier: When the buildmaster starts working again
<applecuckoo> coolcoder613_mac pretty sure it's not available for x86 yet, looking at the Haiku Depot server it's only available for x86_64.
<coolcoder613_mac> Look at build.haiku-os.org
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<applecuckoo> It's just not ported to 32-bit yet.
<coolcoder613_mac> Well, qtwebengine_bin is now, so it should be easy
<applecuckoo> oooh.
<applecuckoo> AlienSoldier where in the forum did that come from?
<AlienSoldier> at the end
<applecuckoo> yup, just found that.
<AlienSoldier> perhaps it's not stable yet, i don't know
<applecuckoo> You'd have to ask 3DEyes about that.
<applecuckoo> They built that from the source code.
<AlienSoldier> God: when Falkon will be available for 32bit?
<AlienSoldier> :)
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<applecuckoo> Your best way forward would be to create a forum account and @ him on that thread. I don't see any PRs for his build on HaikuPorts, and there isn't a 32-bit version on his LOTE repo (https://haikuware.ru/).
<AlienSoldier> i ma sure he will make a package eventually
<AlienSoldier> *am
<coolcoder613_32> It probably just needs enabling 32-bit in the recipe
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<M3dEyes[m]> <coolcoder613_32> "It probably just needs enabling..." <- I have already added support for the 32 bit version in qtwebengine_bin. But at the moment both buildmasters are offline and no packages are built from haikuports.
<coolcoder613_mac> I know that, i was talking about Falkon
<waddlesplash> M3dEyes[m]: I think the buildmasters were rebooted. next push to haikuports should kick off a build, and it should pick up all the things missed
<M3dEyes[m]> <coolcoder613_mac> "I know that, i was talking about..." <- For Falkon and Dooble, all you need to do is enable the build for the secondary x86 architecture in recipe.
<coolcoder613_mac> Exactly, that's what i said.
<coolcoder613_mac> > It probably just needs enabling 32-bit in the recipe
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ea7b0a57865f...189ca0501c29
<coolcoder613_mac> Hello erysdren
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] augiedoggie 189ca05 - zsh: disable more completions that aren't Haiku compatible yet
<augiedoggie> we'll see if the builder starts up
<waddlesplash> it did
<augiedoggie> yeah
<erysdren> hi coolcoder613_mac
<coolcoder613_mac> I managed to rig up something involving a raspi in USB mass storage gadget mode with an image called image.img, and a NFS share of the mounted image.img...
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<M3dEyes[m]> There was a funny experience of building qtwebengine for 32 bit version. It turned out to be not such a big problem to patch the sources and build, but the problems started during linking. Linking takes a very long time, about 40 minutes (the same as for x86_64), but in the end the linker was not enough RAM. I managed to do it only with the help of lld from llvm package, which was patched beforehand - specific build targets (elf_i386_haiku)
<M3dEyes[m]> were added. Unlike ld, lld linked a library of 172 megabytes in 3.5 seconds.
<waddlesplash> ...
<waddlesplash> well, we should maybe just switch to using lld for such large things anyway then :p
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<coolcoder613_mac> Would it be possible to have UPX for Haiku?
<coolcoder613_mac> I can compile it, but it can't compress haiku binaries
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<andreasdr[m]> Cool.
<andreasdr[m]> Hi there.
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<coolcoder613_mac> Hi andreasdr[m]
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<andreasdr[m]> coolcoder613_mac: Hi there!!!
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<Al2O3> lol
<botifico-ecd96135> [haiku/website] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/132be87d4ca7...98b6171d13e9
<botifico-ecd96135> [haiku/website] waddlesplash 98b6171 - Activity Report, November.
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<coolcoder613_mac> Just a few minutes ago, it was very hot, and now it is hailing heavily!
<coolcoder613_mac> And now the sun's out again and it's stopped raining
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<coolcoder613_mac> Hello Begasus
<Begasus> Hi coolcoder613_mac, nice pictures :)
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<coolcoder613_mac> Begasus: I added something pretty interesting to my post.
<Begasus> coolcoder613_mac, saw them :)
<coolcoder613_mac> About the CD player mode?
<Begasus> yep also
<coolcoder613_mac> The speakers on that thing are pretty decent
<Begasus> I think the speakers I got here are ove 20years old, still good :)
<Begasus> but don't use them that much
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<coolcoder613_mac> I just got Pro installed
<coolcoder613_mac> Problem is, i always have to selct fail-safe video mode because otherwise my monitor will say input signal out of range
<Begasus> Not familiar there anymore
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/189ca0501c29...1b893a247447
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 1b893a2 - sbc, disable for broken gcc2 build (#9883)
<Begasus> k, why is this failing ... /sources/tenacity/src/KeyboardCapture.cpp:19:10: fatal error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/1b893a247447...32040a6bea5c
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 32040a6 - Falkon: enable for x86 secondary arch
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/32040a6bea5c...6199ec6fa9c4
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 6199ec6 - Dooble: enable for x86 secondary arch
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/6199ec6fa9c4...66ca28611e20
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 66ca286 - hydrogen, revbump for portmidi changes (#9884)
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<coolcoder613_mac> My problem is that I can only see the screen in fail-safe video mode, and in fail-safe video mode i can't set the default refresh rate
<Begasus> should be a way to bypass that, but can't remember :)
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/66ca28611e20...0809fa223c4e
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 0809fa2 - musescore, revbump for portmidi changes (#9886)
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/0809fa223c4e...ea2ab47df488
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes ea2ab47 - qtwebengine_bin: fix arch issues
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] b5ba4badb309 - app_server: clear background immediately on expose
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57460] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=b5ba4badb309+%5E9d660c773845
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<Begasus> reboot to VM
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/ea2ab47df488...cec70983402f
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes cec7098 - falkon: bump version
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/cec70983402f...626054ac4057
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 626054a - Dooble: bump for rebuild
<Begas_VM> k, why did this fail on the buildmaster? grabbing texstudio_x86-4.7.1-2-x86_gcc2.hpkg and moving it to /boot/home/haikuports/packages/texstudio_x86-4.7.1-2-x86_gcc2.hpkg
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/626054ac4057...d54341bec115
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus d54341b - texstudio, revbump for 32bit, adjust patchset for GNUInstallDirs (#9887)
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<Begasus> repology seems to be down :/
<Begasus> Hi BrunoSpr
<Begasus> again ... :/ /boot/system/develop/tools/x86/bin/../lib/gcc/i586-pc-haiku/13.2.0/../../../../i586-pc-haiku/bin/ld: cannot find -lpoppler-qt6: No such file or directory
<BrunoSpr> hi all
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<Begasus> looks like it's taking 2 different versions for poppler on buildmaster (32bit) :/
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<zeldakatze[m]> Hello
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<zeldakatze[m]> How advantageous is it to seperate games with a lot of data into seperate game packages?
<BrunoSpr> I always wonder why ther is not a easy to type reboot in Haiku Terminal: https://0x0.st/H3Rj.png
<BrunoSpr> I always try: reboot and restart but it does not work in Haiku
<BrunoSpr> Maybe it is only me!?
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<Begasus> hi zeldakatze[m], it's been done before
<Begasus> any progress on widelands?
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<Begasus> BrunoSpr, no "reboot" binary in Haiku
<Begasus> there is "shutdown"
<BrunoSpr> yes that one I always forget!
<BrunoSpr> it is shutdown -r
<Begasus> or you could force the gui with Ctrl-Alt-Del
<BrunoSpr> yes I know
<Begasus> ah :)
<BrunoSpr> but it is always the same... restart or reboot sounds better at least for me#
<BrunoSpr> !
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/d54341bec115...821ac716fda9
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 821ac71 - texstudio, set verstion string for poppler (#9888)
<Begasus> k, let's hope buildmaster will take the correct one now
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<BrunoSpr> ah bookmarkbar is back again thanks PulkoMandy
<PulkoMandy> it's not me, someone else fixed it :)
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<BrunoSpr> ups, sorry it was Hundinger
<BrunoSpr> it was a language file problem with it, it should not be translated... https://cgit.haiku-os.org/haiku/commit/?id=f362628248cc1bfc4439d4e244fe73033bc534b2
<BrunoSpr> Humdinger it was!
<Begasus> looks better at buildmaster now :D
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<Begasus> fixed :)
<zeldakatze[m]> <Begasus> "any progress on widelands?" <- I'm currently compiling it again. It for some reason fails to compile on one computer, but it's also the one computer that shows the invalid opcode stuff on Nheko and libreOffice
<zeldakatze[m]> <Begasus> "hi zeldakatze, it's been done..." <- I'm wondering if it would make sense on widelands, since it has quite a lot of data
<Begasus> I'm guessing it requires the data?
<Begasus> probably useless without them
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<Begasus> zeldakatze[m], still on ICU66? ;)
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<Begasus> zeldakatze[m], as the data is included in SOURCE_URI I wouldn't bother seperating it
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<zeldakatze[m]> <Begasus> "zeldakatze, still on ICU66? ;)" <- I'll bump that on the recipe of widelands, thank you, I missed that
<Begasus> well, build went well (no changes here), but indeed the cursor isn't that plesant
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<Begasus> forget the ICU switch for now ... sdl2-ttf -> harfbuzz (which requires icu66_devel)
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/821ac716fda9...8ea26dc74d91
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 8ea26dc - libkleo, new recipe (#9877)
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<andreaa72> love
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<KitsunePrefecture> Ahoy folks,
<KitsunePrefecture> I've just restored my IRC connection from config settings backup
<KitsunePrefecture> and seems it works
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<KitsunePrefecture> as I used it infrequently - may I ask ?.. Would I get some massege from Vision if someone writes me if I right that moment away from chat ?
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<KitsunePrefecture> or It is just old fashined and I must check it regularly ?.. :)
<augiedoggie> i thought Vision could do notifications but it's been a long time since i've used it
<KitsunePrefecture> okidoki
<Begasus> KitsunePrefecture, it should :)
<KitsunePrefecture> thanks
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<KitsunePrefecture> Anyway, the Heinlein quote is really a gem in the end of "About Vision" after the credits
<OscarL> kallisti5[m]: Mmm, I keep getting "blocked by scanblock" on Trac :-(. First time accessing it today... got the HTML without CSS, and got totally blocked on refresh :-(
<KitsunePrefecture> I liked his boks I could read (in Hungarian translation .. ( end of OT) , thanks for all
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<OscarL> coolcoder613[m]: you shouldn't need to select fail-safe graphics everytime. Just force it by creating a "/boot/home/config/settings/kernel/drivers/vesa" file with, for example: "mode 800 600 32" ("mode [width] [height] [color depth]")
<OscarL> coolcoder613[m]: won't help with the refresh-rate issue, but... beats having to select it every time on boot :-)
<PulkoMandy> To force failsafe graphics you need to set it in the kernel settings, I don't think just creating a vesa settings file is enough?
<OscarL> PulkoMandy: he is using BeOS on that laptop.
<PulkoMandy> Ah, right, forgot about how it works in BeOS
<OscarL> Well, that's for setting the mode, not for forcing it :-D
<PulkoMandy> Yes, in Haiku you need "fail_safe_video_mode true, and then you can set a specific mode in the vesa settings
<OscarL> coolcoder613[m]: if in doubt... use one of these: https://pulkomandy.tk/~beosarchive/index.pl?search=vesa :-D
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<Begasus> 'lo OscarL, fighting with gerrit again? :)
<OscarL> Hello Begasus :-)
<OscarL> Trac is the one that likes to block me now :-D
<OscarL> seems scanblock thinks I'm a bot. /me [beep boop] can't see why.
<Begasus> He's on to you! :P
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<Begasus> Nice to see things just work as they should :)
<Begasus> Just not Audacity/Tenacity
<Begasus> reboot
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<Anarchos> hello
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<coolcoder613_32> Good morning
<scanty> good evening :^)
<nekobot> [haiku/buildtools] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [btrev43212] - https://git.haiku-os.org/buildtools/log/?qt=range&q=ab26199428a5+%5E69b7412120ae
<nekobot> [haiku/buildtools] ab26199428a5 - gcc: remove obsolete macro definitions
<scanty> is there any effort to move to clang, or are we just staying with gcc?
<scanty> just curious.
<augiedoggie> i believe x512[m] submitted some fixes to support clang builds
<augiedoggie> i don't think anyone has discussed changing the primary compiler
<scanty> hrm, OK. Thanks :^)
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<scanty> what is the current gcc version we are using?
<coolcoder613_32> gcc13
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<scanty> ah, nice.
<scanty> i moved back from freebsd to linux, which is why i asked about clang.
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<coolcoder613_32> What is your favorite linux distro?
<scanty> i'm on debian right now.
<coolcoder613_32> I like Zorin for GUI
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<coolcoder613_32> And for CLI? Probably Debian.
<coolcoder613_32> Or derivatives
<scanty> never heard of Zorin, it looks nice, though
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<coolcoder613_32> my grandfather really likes OpenSuse
<scanty> SuSE is all right.
<coolcoder613_32> So that was my first Linux distro, when he set up a VM for me
<scanty> i grew up on slackware
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<coolcoder613_32> Slax is my favorite distro for recovery-ish things
<coolcoder613_32> e.g. when i installed freedos and it messed up the mbr
<coolcoder613_32> i booted that
<scanty> yikes, i hate when the mbr breaks.
<coolcoder613_32> grub-install ...
<scanty> yeah.
<coolcoder613_32> I was trying to boot my linux CDs on my BeOS laptop
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<coolcoder613_32> The only one that worked was Slitaz
<scanty> never heard of that one either.
<coolcoder613_32> (It has 64M of RAM)
<scanty> does haiku run on it?
<coolcoder613_32> No
<scanty> ah, bummer.
<coolcoder613_32> I use BeOS on it
<scanty> cool.
<Al2O3> howdie folks.
<coolcoder613_32> Thisis a laptop from 1999
<coolcoder613_32> Hello Al2O3
<scanty> ah, it's an anqique.
<scanty> hi Al2O3
<coolcoder613_32> scanty: maybe read my forum post about it
<scanty> link?
<scanty> poor injured laptop.
<coolcoder613_32> I got it for just $5
* Al2O3 is running on 18 year old hardware upgraded to the 'max', and working well.
<Al2O3> heats the room too
<Al2O3> would be sweet to have Haiku working on one of them, I have 3+ of them.
<coolcoder613_32> It still had the code of whatever program the previous owner was writing in 2003
<Al2O3> code, as in sources?
<coolcoder613_32> yes
<Al2O3> lol, most folks I know pull drives, or scrub them before they give up programming machine
<Al2O3> oh well, apparently that stuff was OS or not interesting, or a huge/big mistake.
<coolcoder613_32> It was last touched in 2003!
<coolcoder613_32> it was called Wolf 3D ICM or something like that
<Al2O3> well, there you go, that is outstanding, 20 year old stale code.
<coolcoder613_32> i couldnt work out what it did
<Al2O3> sounds like someone doing a 3d editor for wolf mapping
<Al2O3> that was big back then
<coolcoder613_32> Could be
<Al2O3> from about 96-7 to about early 20K
<Al2O3> 2K
<Al2O3> every jerkoff was doing their own editors
<coolcoder613_32> I think it is likely
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<coolcoder613_32> Al2O3: my grandfather used to run a little dell desktop (Optiplex?) from ~2003, maxed out with 1GB or RAM...
<coolcoder613_32> It was his daily driver
<scanty> i miss my old beos machine. dual p3 700, 512 ram
<coolcoder613_32> Then something happened to the display card when i was trying to install Haiku on it...
<coolcoder613_32> It showed the BIOS menu off half off the corner of the screen...
<coolcoder613_32> He now uses a 2011 mac mini
<coolcoder613_32> refurbished
<Al2O3> scanty: you can likely build one again for durt cheep
<scanty> i like mac os, but i'm not tempted to learn objective-c
<scanty> Al2O3, even if i did, there's nowhere here to put it.
<scanty> plus, haiku runs fine here
<Al2O3> scanty: OSX and old ObjC are great, but there is other great too
<Al2O3> ObjC may not be great now per se, since java notation has basically taken over, but the runtime system is spectacular, and vulnerable.
<Al2O3> well, then no need to fix what is not broke :)
<scanty> indeed
<scanty> i had an old iBook, used to run yellow dog linux on.
<scanty> it was nice
<scanty> this was just before OSX came out.
<scanty> Al2O3, I have the day off tomorrow, so I will get that 6502 stuff done for you.
<Al2O3> yah, did that on old Crapple hardware, the PPC stuff, and on some other manufactures PPC hardware that were licensed to run mac.
<Al2O3> scanty: no worries, would be great, but work first, money second, family third.
<Al2O3> and then god and country :)
<Al2O3> then IRC
<scanty> hehe :-)
<Al2O3> appreciated
<scanty> np
<scanty> BTW, where do you live?
<scanty> you don't have to answer, i was just curious
* coolcoder613_32 is in Australia
<scanty> mmm cool.
<scanty> always wanted to go there.
<scanty> someday...
<Al2O3> coolcoder613[m]: you in melly?
<coolcoder613_32> Yes
<Al2O3> smelly melly :)
<Al2O3> of course it doesn't smell, unless grass fires.
<scanty> "Welcome to Australia, where local time is.... tomrrow"
<scanty> tomorrow*
<Al2O3> :)
<scanty> Al2O3, care to share where you're from>?
<coolcoder613_32> Thursday 9:08 AM here
<scanty> 5:08PM here.
<coolcoder613_32> You can often tell the location from the ISP url in the join/leave messages
<Al2O3> code_vaibhav[m]: even with Tor or other tools?
<scanty> true, but not on ipv6
<Al2O3> I mean some folks don't care, as an ISP access point my be 200-300 miles away.
<coolcoder613_32> For example, with *** HaikuUser (~vision@150-66-118-47m5.mineo.jp) has quit IRC ()
<coolcoder613_32> I can see this one is in japan
<coolcoder613_32> with the .jp
<Al2O3> well, .jp could be just tor redirection?
<Al2O3> VPN do work.
<coolcoder613_32> This is a connection from Vision, so probably not a VPN
<coolcoder613_32> Unless it is Haiku in a VM
<scanty> i always wonder why people forget, or simply don't set a proper ident.
<coolcoder613_32> Could be first time, or just exploring the Applications...
<scanty> suppose.
<Al2O3> or folks just don't care
<Al2O3> I know for a fact that in '91 siggraph when I was working in auditorium audio and visual, B. Gates showed up to the venue, the entire event even without security. Some folks simply don't care, he does now.
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<Al2O3> time changes folks perception, and behavior.
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<Nintendo1889> Can I install AROS from EFI usb yet? Or if not, what is the best way to install? I already asked on their IRC channel. I am not trying to install it from another AROS system, which the AROS documentation seems to assume that I am.
<Habbie> sorry, what is AROS?
<Nintendo1889> amiga research os
<Habbie> oh right
<Nintendo1889> I am using this one, we will see https://vmwaros.blogspot.com/p/download.html
<Habbie> but, i don't think you are in the right IRC channel :)
<Nintendo1889> I know but there's many amiga users here
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<Skipp_OSX> are there though?
<Skipp_OSX> AROS ha!
<scanty> isn't there an AROS channel you can goto?
<scanty> looks like there's a live CD you can download.
<scanty> not trying to be mean, but it's a Haiku shop here.
<Habbie> yes, wrong channel
* AlienSoldier is installing 32bit Falkon
<scanty> AlienSoldier, let us know how it goes
<AlienSoldier> so far install seem stuc :)
<AlienSoldier> *stuck
* coolcoder613_32 is installing it too
<AlienSoldier> needing to quite the installation but it still installed nonetheless
<AlienSoldier> *quit
<AlienSoldier> Super, did not crash on first page loaded and paypal can now login (first time in about 2 year)
<scanty> nice
<AlienSoldier> got my first crash creating a tab and closing it immediately. Broswser session survived and i can coninue like nothing hapenned.
<AlienSoldier> so far memory usage is very acceptable
<scanty> hopefully that was a fluke
<AlienSoldier> well i can't recproduce that crash in the same way.
<AlienSoldier> don't see detached floating windows like otter sometime did
<scanty> sounds good... going to eat, bbl
<AlienSoldier> I wish we could have a webpositive bookmark synchronisation integration
<AlienSoldier> rapid scrolling work well
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<AlienSoldier> contrary to Web, my numpad wor, French accents work and copy and paste work right away without needing to start it by making an internal copy paste
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<AlienSoldier> *wor = work
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