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<Skipp_OSX> around but can't help
<scantysnax> i see. well i'm going to eat dinner, perhaps someone can help me a little bit later.
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<coolcoder613_mac> I think I can help, scantysnax
<phschafft> maybe if you tell us what the problem is. ;)
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<coolcoder613_mac> Hi zard
<zard> Hello coolcoder613_mac :)
* coolcoder613_mac just went from 400-something tabs down to 52 tabs
<zard> OoO
<coolcoder613_mac> In Safari
* zard just recently started building a pile of tabs
<zard> Thanks to a vertical tab bar extension and a need for them
<coolcoder613_mac> But, that wasn't the only browser I had open ;)
<zard> I like my tiling window manager (i3). Very useful to keep a large amount of windows organized
* coolcoder613_mac thinks tiling WMs eat up screen space too fast
<coolcoder613_mac> (Probably because i don't have any big screens)
<zard> I don't either. I use virtual desktops and window tabbing to deal with that
<coolcoder613_mac> My biggest screen is 16 inches
<zard> And I can make tab groups of tabs ;)
* zard gets a ruler
<zard> My laptop screen (the device I'm typing from) is only 1 foot large, and I run i3 on it too
<coolcoder613_mac> And this one... A little over 11"
<zard> I guess an analogy for i3 is: it's like files and folders, but windows are files and tab groups and virtual desktops are folders
* coolcoder613_mac wants Lemmings on Haiku
<zard> Lemmings?
<coolcoder613_mac> The game
<zard> Oh
<coolcoder613_mac> There is pingus, but it's not the same
<zard> Clearly you know more about retro-computing than I do
<zard> Here's a nice website: https://sdf.org/
<scantysnax> okay, so this is my sftp problem.
<scantysnax> Unable to negotiate with 69.162.163.6 port 22: no matching host key type found. Their offer: ssh-rsa
<scantysnax> Connection closed.
<scantysnax> Connection closed
<coolcoder613_mac> have you edited the sshd config?
<scantysnax> I have not.
<scantysnax> I didn't know I had to.
<coolcoder613_mac> On Haiku, yes
<augiedoggie> that sounds like the ssh-keygen script failed to run
<scantysnax> i tried ssh-keygen
<scantysnax> that didn't work
<scantysnax> should I edit /boot/home/settings/ssh/sshd_config?
<augiedoggie> i mean the sshd_keymaker.sh script
<scantysnax> oh hmm
<augiedoggie> should be in /boot/system/boot/post-install/
<scantysnax> ok, let's see...
<scantysnax> still same issue
<coolcoder613_mac> What is Root-Login in sshd_config
<coolcoder613_mac> because `user` in Haiku is root
<scantysnax> I don't have that setting in my sshd_config
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<coolcoder613_mac> nano sshd_config
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<coolcoder613_mac> ^W root
<scantysnax> in styled edit?
<scantysnax> oh whoops
<scantysnax> nano
<coolcoder613_mac> Well, in StyledEdit Alt+F root
<scantysnax> ah
<scantysnax> #PermitRootLogin prohibit-password
<scantysnax> should i uncomment that?
<augiedoggie> it looks like that error is pretty common
<coolcoder613_mac> Change it to: 'PermitRootLogin yes' if you want to be able to log in with a password
<scantysnax> okay, let's see....
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<scantysnax> nope, still doesn't let me in
<augiedoggie> you're connecting to Haiku from a Linux box like Debian?
<scantysnax> yes, virtualbox
<scantysnax> from debian
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<scanty> I added HostKeyAlgorithms = +ssh-rsa
<scanty> PubkeyAcceptedAlgorithms = +ssh-rsa
<scanty> to ssh_config in debian
<scanty> stil doesn't work.
<scanty> still*
<scanty> thanks guys for your help
<scanty> i really appreciate it
<augiedoggie> same error?
<scanty> yes
<augiedoggie> hm, dunno, maybe just do your sftp'ing from the other direction, connect to debian from haiku :P
<scantysnax> I'm trying to connect to my shell account from haiku
<scantysnax> sorry for any misunderstanding
<augiedoggie> ok, so the ssh_config changes should be in Haiku
<augiedoggie> i wonder if openssh recently deprecated rsa or something
<coolcoder613_mac> Maybe use sshfs?
<augiedoggie> i don't have a problem in either direction to Arch Linux
<scantysnax> strange.
<scantysnax> I dont' know what to do, maybe I"ll reboot the machine
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<scantysnax> oh well.
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<scantysnax> stupid question, does sshd need to be running?
<augiedoggie> on the host you're connecting to
<scantysnax> ah okay
<scantysnax> i will try filezilla for shits & giggles.
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<scanty> well, i'm done for the night.
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<boody24[m]> Hello guys
<boody24[m]> How are you all?
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<coolcoder613_mac> Hello boody24[m]
<boody24[m]> I'm preparing for gsoc and just wanted to ask If it is possible to join the team without knowledge about operating systems
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<boody24[m]> I'm still a first year student
<boody24[m]> and my only knowledge is Data structures and algorithms and c++
<coolcoder613_mac> GSOC does not have to be about the kernel
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<coolcoder613_mac> You can be doing a task for a userspace application
<coolcoder613_mac> Like the web browser
<coolcoder613_mac> Or the text editor
<boody24[m]> coolcoder613_mac: So c++ is enough?
<boody24[m]> coolcoder613_mac: Ah
<boody24[m]> Got it
<boody24[m]> So what should I care about these next months to increase my chances?
<coolcoder613_mac> Well, it may be a good idea to gain some experience with the Haiku API
<boody24[m]> trying to find issues and solve them?
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<coolcoder613_mac> That too
<boody24[m]> coolcoder613_mac: Ok cool
<boody24[m]> Thanks
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<coolcoder613_mac> boody24[m]: Start using Haiku, maybe even full time
<Reinhilde> of interest, does haiku support wacom digitizers at all?
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<boody24[m]> coolcoder613_mac: I will)
<coolcoder613_mac> Start playing around, see what is missing, do some tutorials
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<scanty> well, i put the file i needed on http and downloaded it from haiku.
<scanty> my question is, do i have a legit bug, or is there something wrong with what i'm doing?
<augiedoggie> i think it's just a matter of getting the configuration right
<augiedoggie> scanty: i can connect to that host when i use the command line options from that first link i posted
<scanty> suppose i can look into it further tomorrow.
<augiedoggie> so, it's just a matter of getting it right in the ssh_config file
<scanty> hrm.
<scanty> this line: ssh -i key.pem shell@3.252.167.165 -o HostKeyAlgorithms=+ssh-rsa -o PubkeyAcceptedAlgorithms=+ssh-rsa
<augiedoggie> yeah
<scanty> i tried that and it said it couldn't find key.pem
<augiedoggie> well, you're not doing key authentication
<augiedoggie> you just want the -o stuff
<augiedoggie> sftp user@host -o HostKeyAlgorithms=+ssh-rsa -o PubkeyAcceptedAlgorithms=+ssh-rsa
<scanty> so ssh <ip> -o etc..
<augiedoggie> yeah, ssh or sftp
<scanty> okay i will try it now, hold on
<scanty> oooh it worked!
<augiedoggie> nice :)
<scanty> do I have to do that every time?
<augiedoggie> until you make the proper changes to ~/config/settings/ssh/ssh_config
<augiedoggie> then it will set those options for you
<scanty> okay, let me try that now.
<scanty> just add the HostKeyAlgorithms=+ssh-rsa, and the other one?
<augiedoggie> yeah, you can add it to a "Host" entry of just do it globally i think
<augiedoggie> s/of/or/
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<scantysnax> augiedoggie, like this: Host HostKeyAlgorithms=+ssh-rsa
<scantysnax> and so on for the other oen
<scantysnax> one*
<augiedoggie> Host myhostname.net
<augiedoggie> and then the two options below that
<scantysnax> ah okay
<scantysnax> Host shell.reverse.net
<scantysnax> HostKeyAlgorithms=+ssh-rsa
<scantysnax> Host PubKeyAcceptedAlgorithms=+ssh-rsa
<augiedoggie> yeah
<scantysnax> okay, i will try it now.
<augiedoggie> well, you have an extra Host in there
<augiedoggie> on the last line
<scantysnax> oh whoops typo.
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<scanty> hooray!
<scanty> thanks augiedoggie
<augiedoggie> :)
<scantysnax> great, i can now resume my work tomorrow, thanks again, and good night all
<scantysnax> saved the file on my shell just in case i need it for the next time i install haiku
<augiedoggie> heh
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<Skipp_OSX> anybody on Haiku?
<Al2O3> suspect many here are
<Skipp_OSX> right click on a query in your queries folder, should Edit query really go between Open and Open with... ?
<Al2O3> positionally, from a GUI and use case likely.
<Al2O3> what is your use case concern?
<Al2O3> if open and open … are next to each other, does that make the most sense?
<Al2O3> open usually the first case, then second open with … and finally edit lastly?
<Skipp_OSX> my use case scenario is I'm trying to put the menu back together as it was before but I want to make sure the way it was before was not a mistake.
<Al2O3> :)
<Al2O3> well, I have no idea, but I can see someone having Haiku running would be able to help you if they too haven't mucked up the menu
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<Skipp_OSX> oh I have, but not in this case
<Skipp_OSX> ok here we go, loaded up the R5
<augiedoggie> that menu moves
<augiedoggie> sometimes it's after
<augiedoggie> strange
<Skipp_OSX> ok we're getting somewhere...
<augiedoggie> when i first open the window it's between but after right clicking another query it moves after and stays there
<Skipp_OSX> Open with... looks for Open and inserts itself afterwords and Edit query also inserts itself so it could depend on if the menu gets which message first.
<Skipp_OSX> I'm going to assume that Edit query is indeed not suppose to go between Open and Open with...
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<Skipp_OSX> before Open or after Open with ... ?
<Al2O3> is there a way to make it a priority and arrangement other than just insertion?
<Al2O3> weird to have it change position
<Al2O3> in fact, not good
<Skipp_OSX> hehe
<Skipp_OSX> yeah it's doing some magic, not my magic
<Skipp_OSX> definitely not my magic: https://i.imgur.com/py8Xfjv.png
<Al2O3> yep, and not good magic
<Skipp_OSX> black magic
<Al2O3> I mean I get its a threaded system, but there has to be ways to put and remove things, and re-add them as a priority in position.
<Al2O3> not just add, and then forget about it, maybe a menu item manager, but maybe the menu itself can and will manage when adding.
<Al2O3> anyway, sure someone can or has figured it out so this kind of things doesn't happen.
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<HaikuUser> wie installiere ich den 98 Wubi Computer in der becjk eingabenmethode_
<Al2O3> :) no ideas how to install the 98 Wubi computer in the becjk input method
<HaikuUser> How to install the code table of 98 Wubi into Becjk input method_
<Al2O3> I still have no clue
<HaikuUser> becjk is the chinese input method in the haiku system,i plan to change the input method code table now,but i dont know how to do it ,do you have a solution,the haiku system is good ,but there is no useful chinese character input method.
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<OscarL> Bah... HaikuUser just left :-/
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<OscarL> I was to point out that it *seems* that BeCJK uses binary "dictionaries" that looks like are "compiled" with the "cin2dic" tool (https://github.com/HaikuArchives/BeCJK/tree/b73cc5359b5c63c88150e46ab9319936daec9aa6/tools/cin2dic)
<coolcoder613_mac> Hi OscarL
<OscarL> There's a "cin2dic/cin/Simplified Chinese/wubizixing.cin" file there, maybe that's the one that HaikuUser needs to modify?
<OscarL> Hi coolcoder613_mac! Saw your .diff and full sources links for the Turbo editor.
<OscarL> Will give them a spin as soon as I can, thanks.
<coolcoder613_mac> Here is my patch for turbo: http://0x0.st/HYpW.tar.xz
<coolcoder613_mac> The .diff doesn't have the patch in tvision
<Al2O3> TY for clarity on what the heck is becjk
<Al2O3> :)
<OscarL> ok. got both files earlier anyway, coolcoder613_mac.
<OscarL> coolcoder613_mac: next time instead of full git clone, you could just extract your changes with git patch or something :-P
<coolcoder613_mac> Becouse of submodules
<OscarL> in any case... thanks again! And yeah... those submodules... without proper tarballs, maybe I'll need to do a "_bin" .recipe. Will see,
<coolcoder613_mac> But i think there is a build flag to use system tvision
<OscarL> good to know!
<coolcoder613_mac> Check the README
<OscarL> Will do. For now... I disappear! Later folks, have a good one!
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/cc32641b53a3...7d69aa25037b
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] jackburton79 7d69aa2 - BeScreenCapture 2.9.0 (#9903)
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
<Al2O3> peekaboos
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<coolcoder613_mac> Hello Begasus
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<Begasus> Hi coolcoder613_mac Al2O3
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<Begasus> kuserfeedback working in Kate :)
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<Begasus> Works also in KWrite: https://0x0.st/HgZA.png
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<Begasus> in English now :) https://ibb.co/3mMT8MZ
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7d69aa25037b...d259b85e59a1
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus d259b85 - kuserfeedback, new kde framework (#9905)
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<Begasus> org.kde.pim.akonadiserver: Database "/boot/system/cache/akonadiserver/akonadi/instance/testrunner-86566/akonadi.db" opened using driver "QSQLITE"
<Begasus> progress :)
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<bitigchi[m]> Begasus: 🔥🔥🔥
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<Begasus> could use a real developer bitigchi[m] :D
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-3/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/d259b85e59a1...7e5dbb0115a6
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] InfiniteVerma 7e5dbb0 - kate+kwrite: bump version to 23.08.4 (#9904)
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<dualmyname[m]> does haiku run windows apps
<Begasus> there is wine, not sure how usable it is, but wouldn't count my blessings there
<Begasus> what kind of app(s)?
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7e5dbb0115a6...a67efe4b2670
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] jackburton79 a67efe4 - Genio 2 recipe (#9906)
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<Begasus> cu peeps!
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<Skipp_OSX> dualmyname[m] not Eudora/Aurora if that's what you're asking
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/a67efe4b2670...f782ae03d93b
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] humdingerb f782ae0 - genio: fix 32bit build
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<coolcoder613_32> Good morning
<Skipp_OSX> can somebody tell me why it is repopulating menus here https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/tree/src/kits/tracker/ContainerWindow.cpp#n1667 when switching directories and what makes Trash and Root so special?
<Skipp_OSX> it being Tracker
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* coolcoder613_32 is trying to build ladybird on Haiku
<Skipp_OSX> Serenity fan huh?
<coolcoder613_32> the build stops because it cant find gettid
<coolcoder613_32> Skipp_OSX: Not until it has a package manager and I can get it on hardware without wiping the hard drive ;)
<coolcoder613_32> There is a recipe for ladybird, and it has Haiku build instructions
<Skipp_OSX> we don't have gettid apparently
<coolcoder613_32> It just hasn't been tested on Haiku
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<Skipp_OSX> I thought Alexander or whatever his name is ported to Haiku
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<coolcoder613_32> It uses:
<coolcoder613_32> #elif defined(__HAIKU__)
<coolcoder613_32> tid = get_pthread_thread_id(pthread_self());
<Skipp_OSX> makes sense, libpthread is included in libbe.so
<Skipp_OSX> which was a bad move in the long run because software tries to include libpthread and it complains that it's already there.
<Skipp_OSX> but there you go, that's the explanation
<Skipp_OSX> I'm sure that someone could write a gettid wrapper so we support the function.
<waddlesplash> libpthread is in libroot
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<waddlesplash> and now -lpthread and -pthread work on haiku
<waddlesplash> so there's no issues
<Skipp_OSX> ok yeah that then
<Skipp_OSX> just need someone to write that wrapper method
<coolcoder613_32> Or even a preproccesor wrapper?
<Skipp_OSX> no
<Skipp_OSX> define and export the function, no preprocessor
<coolcoder613_32> My code:
<coolcoder613_32> #ifdef __HAIKU__
<coolcoder613_32> #include <os/kernel/OS.h>
<coolcoder613_32> #include <pthread.h>
<coolcoder613_32> #define gettid() get_pthread_thread_id(pthread_self())
<Skipp_OSX> k
<Skipp_OSX> should work around the issue
<coolcoder613_32> Another error: https://0x0.st/HgTt.txt
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/f782ae03d93b...5112cbf2eaf7
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] hfsfox 5112cbf - i2pd: bump version (#9907)
<Skipp_OSX> Shouldn't "Close in all workspace" be "Close is all workspaces" ?
<coolcoder613_32> Close in all workspaces
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<Skipp_OSX> I ain't changin' it
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<augiedoggie> ladybird is in Haiku Depot already
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<coolcoder613_32> An old version
<scanty> hello.
<scanty> what is ladybird?
<augiedoggie> i wonder if 3deyes keeps a copy in his repo
<augiedoggie> looks like he's still working on the native version https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/my-progress-at-porting-ladybird-the-serenityos-browser/13886/83
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<scanty> ah, i see it is a browser.
<scanty> don't we have enough browsers to make one of them really really good?
<augiedoggie> it's hard to find people that want to work on a browser
<scanty> ah
<scanty> i suppose a proper mail client would be the same?
<augiedoggie> yeah, most mail clients need a web rendering engine to handle html emails
<scanty> i wish it were easier to port firefox and thunderbird.
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<scanty> do we have enough python and gtk to port pithos do you think? https://pithos.github.io/
<scanty> sorry, i'm just looking for somet‌hing to work on
<scanty> something that's not my NES emulator.
<coolcoder613_32> Hmm... What about an email client using LibWeb from ladybird?